No, you are demonstrably wrong.  The majority of Orthodox Jews lean Republican.

This is from Pew. You can find similar research from other organizations.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/17/eight-facts-about-orthodox-jews-from-the-pew-research-survey/


.....Politically, Orthodox Jews are far more conservative than other Jews. For example, 57% of Orthodox Jews describe themselves as Republicans or say they lean toward the Republican Party, while 36% are Democrats or lean Democratic. Among Jews as a whole, the balance tilts strongly in the other direction: 70% of Jews overall are Democrats or lean toward the Democratic Party, while just 22% are Republican or lean Republican.

Gallup polls report 61% Democrat with 29% Republican but that's not just billionaires. Until it was mentioned in the thread I didn't realize how many of these billionaires supporting her were Jewish. I was more focused on these billionaires gun control positions, rather than the religious background of Hillary's supporters because she claimed she was broke after leaving the White House and that the GOP is the party of the rich but she has private security and as far as I know all these billionaires do too. Zuckerberg even built a wall around his house after pushing for open borders. Anyway, Ben Shapiro, Howard Stern, radio host Marc Levin & http://jpfo.org/ are all pro 2A http://www.gallup.com/poll/180422/three-american-jews-identify-republicans.aspx

Yeah, there are some answers for that. It is important to understand that Jews, even non orthodox Jews, are NOT a monolithic group.  They are all over the political spectrum, even if most are somewhere on the left.

First of all, the older ones do it out of habit.  The progressive policies of the left from the first half of the 20th century are things many people agree with now and by today's standards would be more libertarian than what looks like today's left.   Things like social freedom and keeping religion out of government is a pretty understandable position for Jews to take, especially in 1900-1960' America.

There is also the concept of "I will pay the kings tax, because I will win anyways, as long as the king leaves me the hell alone."   Jews are the wealthiest group in this country and one of the most educated. There is a belief that no matter what you are up against, you will rise up and still succeed.  The point being, most would rather have silly economic policies, like the policies of the left (and many damned well know the folly of the lefts economic policies)  if they can have freedom.  The left has long been the party of social freedom.  

Another huge issue is the right is not welcoming at all.  They have traditionally been flat out hostile and their membership reflects that.  You dont have to believe that, but you do have to believe other people believe it. Again, the demographics of each party are pretty honest in terms of who is who.


I personally feel that there is a slight trend away  from the extreme left turn the left has taken by Jews but young Jews are eating the social justice stuff up. I dont have a great explanation for it.   I have all the top Jewish credentials (ivy league, raised in  liberal Jewish household, Jewish marriage....)  but my folks walked away from it all and I was raised in a small redneck town and I have a lot of that in me.  I also affiliate with the Orthodox.   The non Orthodox see me as a kuckledragging backwards idiot.  I am just fine with that.   Unfortunately, much of the "right" insists on labeling me as well because I have some libertarian outliers and have the credentials of a liberal Jew.  (really folks, the republican party sucks at welcoming people)

While, at a glance, I agree with it, from another point of view...


Agreed, wholeheartedly. The "morality police" bullshit needs to go. Let people drink. Let people watch porn.



They want to keep what makes America great. The ideas of the Founding Fathers and their brethren.



What America is, today, is a overly politically correct society where everyone deserves a fucking trophy because of feelz. What America is, today, is a nation where people who are rich are seen as the smarter class.



The future we are headed in now, the future that the people he believes in, is not the future for you or I.


In short, fuck Mark Cuban. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll CoC Violation.

I watch the Rubin report sometimes and he has made some interesting points about being a Democrat unhappy with the direction progressives have gone.

the end  for them is near,.,,

i appreciate your taking the time w/ your answers.  i may send you a PM w/ some more questions, so as not to topic slide/derail the original intent of the OP.

stay safe out there in these dangerous times, Cantab.  the atmosphere against police officers these days is a nasty one.

Hillary has raised a lot of cash from places like NYC, L.A. and San Francisco none of which are known for pro 2A sentiments http://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/hedge-fund-money-48-5-million-for-hillary-clinton-19-000-for-donald-trump-1469784601

Even #Bernie voters acknowledge that http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/12/1514595/-BREAKING-Another-Billionaire-Endorses-Hillary

Probably see the writing on the wall for economic upheaval due to all the crony bullshit they've benefited from and they don't want the proletariate to be able to acquire firearms.

I do imagine either way the election goes the curtain will be lifted shortly there after.

I certainly see that in Jewish democrats over 40ish who are not in academia or government.    Most Jews of that age or older have a pretty strong dislike for communism or totalitarianism . Most of them knew their grandparents or great grandparents that fled it. (the majority of Jews in the U.S. come from Tsarist Russia, the later Soviet Union and/or eastern block countries)    They see some factions of the party moving toward that.  There is also a distaste for the liberalism of blacks, which does not resemble the more libertarian liberalism of older Jews.  

BUT, younger Jews are really into the social justice stuff.  I think it is understandable in the sense they were raised by liberals and this is where liberals are now.  It is their cause.  Having said that, while Jews may participate in such lunacy at a higher rate, for every Jew, there are 10 non Jews. It is today's counterculture and far from being exclusively Jewish.

Again, as unpopular as it is to say in a place like this, one of the problems is the right is not very welcoming.  Jews, and whole lot of other people, are not interested in social conservatism and the right can get pretty hostile against people with that stance.

Sure....and it is my guess, you know your way around greater Boston ;)

There certainly a lot of dumb motherfuckers that think I want their opinion.

FPNI. FHRC, FMC.

Because the 1% doesn't trust the 99% and prefer unarmed peasants over armed citizens.

Ah, that explains an article I read which pointed out how Oakland California had a higher liberal voting record than even San Francisco did. The Millennial generation generally speaking seems to have gone overboard with the SJW thing even more than their hippy parents. I'm not knowledgeable about the American Jewish community but I did read an article in either the Haaretz or Jerusalem Post last year that said there was big friction between Israelis (article implied Israelis generally are more conservative than most American Jews) and American Jews today.

Israel certainly has its own political problems. While they are off the charts with many personal freedoms, they are pretty regulated and taxed in a socialist way.  They do have a thriving economy though.   I would say it is rather complex, but the secular Jews of Israel would be considered, on average, a fair bit more conservative than secular U.S. Jews.  Most Jews in Israel live generally secular lives, even if they identify with their faith and occasional do religious things.

Exactly.

I'm not buying that, especially in NYC. But even if true, that means that nearly 40% of the most conservative Jews (and Orthodox Jews are a minority in the Jewish community) still vote for Democrats.

There is no dodging the issue: most American Jews are fucking Communists, just like our current president, who they helped elect. Don't like it?  Help fix it.  Grass roots efforts are the only way to turn the current culture in America away from Socialism/Communism.  And honestly, I'm increasingly pessimistic that it can be fixed.

I agree with those of you who say that the Republican party is not very welcoming.  The Republican party is FUBAR.  They need to mellow out on the social conservatism (Bible thumper bullshit) if they hope to remain viable.

You are moving the goal posts because you dont like the data.  

Also, according to Pew, white mainline Protestants were evenly split (45/45) in 2008. Meaning Orthodox Jews voted republican at a greater rate.

Your hyperbole about communists aside, liberalism is not just a Jewish problem. For every Jewish liberal, there are 30 Christian liberals. (or 9  blacks, or 12 hispanics, or 35 whites.....)

There is a lot more wiggle room in many other groups to render the liberal Jewish vote useless.

Just think of all the cool stuff we'd have if we had his $$$.

I just love the opinions of folks who have armed security and walled compounds.  He ought to go live in a single family home in a declining urban area, and then form an opinion about personal security and rights.

Holy shit, are you really trying to excuse the fact that most Jews are Commies by pointing out that there are fewer of them than Christians?  Wow, you should work for Fox.  

I should said billionaires in charge of companies that have peaked, and likely exclude 99% of non-green energy execs.

I don't think you know what the word "communism" means. But you do think it helps you make the point that you feel is true.  

You will find few Jews who are advocates for government ownership of the means of production.  

A lot of rich people don't live in neighborhoods where there is violent crime present and do not perceive any danger if it doesn't make it on the national news. Self protection with a gun is seen as a moot question because their gated community security guard keeps out the riff-raff.
A lot of middle class people perceive crime like this too. A lot of new middle class housing projects are cookie-cutter styles of condos, townhouses and/or single family homes and are built away from the hood.

Good we need to sell this to the OWS types as "The 1% wants you disarmed. Why?"

Control.

This Cuban asshole and all 28 billionaires can all line up and suck my dick one by one, or try to take my guns.

I don't care which, but get a move on!

this should concern people, lots of money is what makes politics go round. a pack of billionaires beating the gun control drum is not something to taken lightly.

They must have plans for after the people are unable to resist said plans.

Everyone in the U.S.A. could be voting for her and that wouldn't sway my decision to not vote for her!

If so well fuck them. I hope they go broke soon and end up living where they need to to protect them selves.

cause they are outnumbered and their interests are not our interests

Him and another guy started the first streaming online radio service, broadcast.com.  Sold it to Yahoo a few years later for like $5 billion.  Yahoo did what they did best and ran it into the ground and shut it down lol

Because it's easier to Merkel us that way.

And I don't see that.  The problem most of the right has with jews is their politics, not their faith.  As a jew, I have rarely felt excluded by even the most far right groups, once they realize my politics are conservative.  Reform judiasm is literally the green party at prayer.  Conservative isn't much better.  We are doing Numbers (as you know) and what does the female cantor (rabbi is gone) talk about?  Feminism.  I am reaching an existential point in my faith in that I either leave judiasm entirely or become orthodox which is not something my wife is comfortable with.

Jews cannot lay blame upon western civilization for all its evils while absolving themselves for their open embrace of treasonous communism in the United States and western europe.

Hitler found more support for his anti-jewish stance by focusing on their embracing of communism, not kosherut.

Cause when this whole ponzi scheme unravels, there will be a bounty on them and they CAN'T hire enough security.


TC

This right here.

Because otherwise when things get bad enough, they will be blamed and hung from the nearest streetlight

Best thing to come out of Dallas is the I-35 corridor.  STFU Mark Cuban.

Obviously wants green tax dollars.

So, we should all go vote Dem because Cuban and you don't like the GOP.

Got it.

Today's Democratic party (and the Jews who support it) ARE Communists.  They would implement full-blown Communism today if they thought they could get away with it.  But they know that they need to do it incrementally, and Socialism is that stepping stone.

Hmmmmm....that's a tough one...

Did not know Rupert Murdoch said "ban automatic weapons" after Sandy Hook http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmagoldberg/2016/06/15/these-are-the-u-s-billionaires-who-back-gun-control/#270a6314e5ea