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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:04:40 AM EDT
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If you want a turbo 4cyl. 99 Eclipse GSX Evolution IX 95 Turbo MR2 If you want something newer, used low mileage Mustang GT, so long as it has the Coyote engine. 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:05:01 AM EDT
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Are these really the seats that come in the VW?
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:07:50 AM EDT
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that's cute. you never drove one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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None of the above those two cars are not fun. Lancer Evo. Spend the extra coin for one. 
Diamond Star Motors, the hallmark of reliability. 
They also have a sideways engine, 90 degree turns in output shafts are no Bueno. Subaru >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitsubishi. Haha, I swear I'm not stalking you. He's definately never driven an EVO. I have never been able to throw the steering wheel around in anything like I could in my buddies EVO. OP, search EVO vs Lambo. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:10:14 AM EDT
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If you want a turbo 4cyl. 99 Eclipse GSX Evolution IX 95 Turbo MR2 If you want something newer, used low mileage Mustang GT, so long as it has the Coyote engine.
All of that, junk when I was new, junk today. 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:10:26 AM EDT
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I can't imagine the Focus with anything other than the stock 2.0. It's plenty fast. And 41 mpg at 55.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:12:27 AM EDT
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I have been enjoying the heck out of a 2004 Pontiac Vibe GT. 6sp, 180hp of cheap daily driving fun.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:14:21 AM EDT
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Pontiac G8 GXP might be another option. RWD, supercharged LS.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:29:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:37:35 AM EDT
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Don't bother to try and enlighten the idiots. Let them continue to think they're junk. It's not like they own the fastest AWD and RWD 4cyl records.... Or a shit ton of others and have for a long time. Owned mine for 16 years, only broke down once, and it was a direct result of me over tightening the drain on my radiator, which squished out the o-ring enough it pissed out it's coolant on the interstate and ran hot, warped the head. Can't blame the car for that, and it's been good ever since. That said, I keep it well maintained and I'm not trying to make 800-1500whp with it either since it's a street car. YMMV.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:48:13 AM EDT
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If you want a turbo 4cyl. 99 Eclipse GSX Evolution IX 95 Turbo MR2 If you want something newer, used low mileage Mustang GT, so long as it has the Coyote engine.
All of that, junk when I was new, junk today.
Op is asking about a fun small daily driver, not a clapped out 90s project car. No matter how fast you make them they're miserable cars to drive and require tons of maintenance, and shit bags more to make them as fast as a modem car. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:55:37 AM EDT
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Hence the other suggestions of a G8 GXP or Mustang GT so long as it had the Coyote engine. Hell a C5 Z06 Corvette wouldn't be bad either and in OP price range.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:06:46 PM EDT
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Ford nailed it with their front diff on those cars. Cant go wrong with either st
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:10:00 PM EDT
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We have both
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:24:43 PM EDT
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I would vote GTI but it might be a bit over your budget. It is just a bit more mature and refined IMO. I think the Focus or Fiesta would be fun cars too though.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:26:13 PM EDT
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Focus ST, Fiesta ST, or something else????? Looking for a small fun to drive car. Is there anything else I should be looking at? Single, no kids so size isn't really an issue. 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:27:06 PM EDT
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Are these really the seats that come in the VW? https://downshiftautos.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/volkswagen-gti-seats.jpg Yes it is a homage to a time when German makes like Porsche and VW put tartan patterns on their seats. You can also get black leather though. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:58:19 PM EDT
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For the millionth time... Good luck finding one, and have fun paying GT350 money for it when you do. 
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New Focus RS. Although I like the lines of the smaller Fiesta too. For the millionth time... Good luck finding one, and have fun paying GT350 money for it when you do.
I understand and agree....still is a neat looking little machine. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:10:47 PM EDT
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I got my Fiesta for zero down zero percent. In other words they gave me a free car. $22,000/72 = $305 a month, which comes out to $10.04 a day to drive a brand new 2015 model car. I spend more on food and random bullshit than I do for a brand new model year car. So naturally I modded the shit out of it but that's not the point. The point is that this option, a new "economic" car that dealers are giving away is by and far the cheapest, in real and nominal terms due to the zero percent and extremely long financing period, and zero down payment. Then you do the extended warranty trick and get the dealer to finance the first 6 month of you payments for free aka you make no payments after your first one for six months, then you start paying like normal but for 66 months instead. A warranty that is useless after the mods? 
So now you're stuck making payments on a car that you can't drive until you rebuild? But it's ok, because it was a free car? Just making sure I am reading this right. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A warranty that is useless after the mods? So now you're stuck making payments on a car that you can't drive until you rebuild? But it's ok, because it was a free car? Just making sure I am reading this right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got my Fiesta for zero down zero percent. In other words they gave me a free car. $22,000/72 = $305 a month, which comes out to $10.04 a day to drive a brand new 2015 model car. I spend more on food and random bullshit than I do for a brand new model year car. So naturally I modded the shit out of it but that's not the point. The point is that this option, a new "economic" car that dealers are giving away is by and far the cheapest, in real and nominal terms due to the zero percent and extremely long financing period, and zero down payment. Then you do the extended warranty trick and get the dealer to finance the first 6 month of you payments for free aka you make no payments after your first one for six months, then you start paying like normal but for 66 months instead. A warranty that is useless after the mods? So now you're stuck making payments on a car that you can't drive until you rebuild? But it's ok, because it was a free car? Just making sure I am reading this right. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:18:15 PM EDT
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Don't buy a Ford Focus or Fiesta. It will inevitably break down due to some petty shit in the first year, and your incompetent local dealer won't be able to resolve it. Buy a quality car, not a shiny, poorly-built shitbox.
Signed, owner of a 2015 Focus. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:32:33 PM EDT
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Wait for the RS.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:33:17 PM EDT
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New Focus RS. Although I like the lines of the smaller Fiesta too. For the millionth time... Good luck finding one, and have fun paying GT350 money for it when you do.
I've read about dealers charging $5k+ premiums for them, limited production= limited supply and dealers are taking advantage of it A gt350 is like 50k. A GT350 is around $70k. Dealers are adding a $10k market adjustment minimum. The RS will be $35k which is nowhere near GT350 money. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:36:19 PM EDT
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why get the wanna be when you can get the real thing. http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Volkswagen-GTI-Clubsport-PLACEMENT-626x382.jpg
Anyone who knows anything about vehicles, cost, performance, etc....all has a healthy respect for that vehicle. If you're laughing at one, the only point you're making is that you have no business posting here. ETA: Yeah, OP, get a 99 GSX
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:37:39 PM EDT
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Subaru WRX
Furds are wrong wheel drive. Torque steer sucks. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:56:53 PM EDT
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why get the wanna be when you can get the real thing. http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Volkswagen-GTI-Clubsport-PLACEMENT-626x382.jpg Cuz fuck german repair costs |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:58:31 PM EDT
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Love my GTI OP.
But out of those too I say Focus, Fiesta is small I had one. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:27:24 PM EDT
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why get the wanna be when you can get the real thing. http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Volkswagen-GTI-Clubsport-PLACEMENT-626x382.jpg Cuz fuck german repair costs which is common knowledge, of no surprise (and greatly exaggerated). yet they still sell quite well and have a huge following.. must be because they are fun, fuel efficient, handle well, comfortable, nicely appointed, safe, respectable cars.. you can't even say "badge whores" because they don't have the name plate of BMW, MB or Audi. the Focus isn't even a bad car, but for all the little things in every day life that are just a bit better its worth it. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:36:53 PM EDT
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I love my 2014 Focus ST. Bought it to just be a fun daily driver that is still practical. Ended up liking it a lot more than I thought, so it became a weekend toy while I kept using my old shitbox as a commuter car.
I've had faster cars, but this thing is just a blast to throw around. For years I was the type to focus on horsepower specs and "RWD or its crap"... now I feel like I was missing out on a lot. These little "hot hatch" cars can be an insane amount of fun. I definitely see why they have such an enthusiastic following. My main gripe with the car is a complete lack of traction. That is pretty much expected out of a car with good low end torque (for what it is, obviously) and front wheel drive. Secondary gripe is the torque steer... but putting the car in sport mode tones it down quite a bit and you also get used to it and compensate for it subconsciously. Since I don't need such a practical weekend toy... I am looking to upgrade in the next year or so. But the car at the top of my list is still quite practical... Focus RS 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:41:03 PM EDT
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New Focus RS. Although I like the lines of the smaller Fiesta too. For the millionth time... Good luck finding one, and have fun paying GT350 money for it when you do.
I've read about dealers charging $5k+ premiums for them, limited production= limited supply and dealers are taking advantage of it If you read the Focus RS forums, tons of people are getting them for MSRP. It takes some legwork, but it doesn't seem to be all that difficult to find a dealer who will go for it. But at this point, the allocations for the 2016 cars are pretty much all spoken for. Supply is supposed to be much better for 2017. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:44:30 PM EDT
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Don't buy a Ford Focus or Fiesta. It will inevitably break down due to some petty shit in the first year, and your incompetent local dealer won't be able to resolve it. Buy a quality car, not a shiny, poorly-built shitbox. Signed, owner of a 2015 Focus. I've been waiting 12 years for my 2004 Focus to break down in the first year. And about two years now for my 2014 to break down in the first year. I guess I'm doing it wrong. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:47:02 PM EDT
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The correct answer is WRX. +1 |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:52:39 PM EDT
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I'm loving the shit out of my 2016 Focus ST http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff483/Real_PhillBert/20160416_140524_zpsr5lfp84i.jpg I think the Fiesta ST is probably a more fun car, but I just couldn't live with a car that small so I went with the Focus. You really cannot lose between the two. If you look around you can get them much cheaper than a GTI or WRX, I paid $21.5k for mine. Is that an ST1? Just trying to figure out how you got it so cheap. I paid about $26-27k out the door for my ST3. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:06:42 PM EDT
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I've been waiting 12 years for my 2004 Focus to break down in the first year. And about two years now for my 2014 to break down in the first year. I guess I'm doing it wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't buy a Ford Focus or Fiesta. It will inevitably break down due to some petty shit in the first year, and your incompetent local dealer won't be able to resolve it. Buy a quality car, not a shiny, poorly-built shitbox. Signed, owner of a 2015 Focus. I've been waiting 12 years for my 2004 Focus to break down in the first year. And about two years now for my 2014 to break down in the first year. I guess I'm doing it wrong. I'm honestly glad that you've had a good experience with both of yours. I wasn't so lucky, and apparently neither were a lot of other owners. Now I steer people clear of Ford when possible. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:08:55 PM EDT
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I'm honestly glad that you've had a good experience with both of yours. I wasn't so lucky, and apparently neither were a lot of other owners. Now I steer people clear of Ford when possible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't buy a Ford Focus or Fiesta. It will inevitably break down due to some petty shit in the first year, and your incompetent local dealer won't be able to resolve it. Buy a quality car, not a shiny, poorly-built shitbox. Signed, owner of a 2015 Focus. I've been waiting 12 years for my 2004 Focus to break down in the first year. And about two years now for my 2014 to break down in the first year. I guess I'm doing it wrong. I'm honestly glad that you've had a good experience with both of yours. I wasn't so lucky, and apparently neither were a lot of other owners. Now I steer people clear of Ford when possible. The problems with the dual clutch auto's not the manuals. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:10:04 PM EDT
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No love for the MazdaSpeed 3?
I couldn't wipe the smile of my face after a proper test drive...  |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:11:35 PM EDT
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The problems with the dual clutch auto's not the manuals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't buy a Ford Focus or Fiesta. It will inevitably break down due to some petty shit in the first year, and your incompetent local dealer won't be able to resolve it. Buy a quality car, not a shiny, poorly-built shitbox. Signed, owner of a 2015 Focus. I've been waiting 12 years for my 2004 Focus to break down in the first year. And about two years now for my 2014 to break down in the first year. I guess I'm doing it wrong. I'm honestly glad that you've had a good experience with both of yours. I wasn't so lucky, and apparently neither were a lot of other owners. Now I steer people clear of Ford when possible. The problems with the dual clutch auto's not the manuals. The transmissions aren't really a problem, IMHO, more of a design quirk. It can be annoying, but you get used to it. The phantom stalling / idle / CEL issues are the problem. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:11:36 PM EDT
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WRX
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:12:36 PM EDT
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The transmissions aren't really a problem, IMHO, more of a design quirk. It can be annoying, but you get used to it. The phantom stalling / idle / CEL issues are the problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't buy a Ford Focus or Fiesta. It will inevitably break down due to some petty shit in the first year, and your incompetent local dealer won't be able to resolve it. Buy a quality car, not a shiny, poorly-built shitbox. Signed, owner of a 2015 Focus. I've been waiting 12 years for my 2004 Focus to break down in the first year. And about two years now for my 2014 to break down in the first year. I guess I'm doing it wrong. I'm honestly glad that you've had a good experience with both of yours. I wasn't so lucky, and apparently neither were a lot of other owners. Now I steer people clear of Ford when possible. The problems with the dual clutch auto's not the manuals. The transmissions aren't really a problem, IMHO, more of a design quirk. It can be annoying, but you get used to it. The phantom stalling / idle / CEL issues are the problem. If the transmission wasn't a problem there wouldn't be a recall, DPS6 clutches wouldn't be on national back order, and our shop wouldnt be doing 20 of them a month. Some of it is people not understanding how a dual clutch feels but a lot of them are legitimate concerns. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:42:30 PM EDT
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Anyone who knows anything about vehicles, cost, performance, etc....all has a healthy respect for that vehicle. If you're laughing at one, the only point you're making is that you have no business posting here. ETA: Yeah, OP, get a 99 GSX
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why get the wanna be when you can get the real thing. http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Volkswagen-GTI-Clubsport-PLACEMENT-626x382.jpg
Anyone who knows anything about vehicles, cost, performance, etc....all has a healthy respect for that vehicle. If you're laughing at one, the only point you're making is that you have no business posting here. ETA: Yeah, OP, get a 99 GSX
Wow. Whatever man, I'd swap the engine in a Miata and drive that before I'd mess with a Golf. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:49:49 PM EDT
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If the transmission wasn't a problem there wouldn't be a recall, DPS6 clutches wouldn't be on national back order, and our shop wouldnt be doing 20 of them a month. Some of it is people not understanding how a dual clutch feels but a lot of them are legitimate concerns. I didn't know all that. Congrats, you've dropped my opinion of Ford a bit lower. I haven't had a problem with the trans - it's been all engine control gremlins. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:56:17 PM EDT
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Love my focus ST. GTI is another great option. I wouldn't get a wrx unless you need all awd, steering, suspension, and interior are not up to par.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:17:42 PM EDT
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I vote WRX
I also just bought one a couple weeks ago. I like sedans better than hatches, and it has AWD. Don't mod it and it will be reliable. They have plenty of power while stock to be fun. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:19:41 PM EDT
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The Fiesta ST is hysterically fun. There's also the new focus RS which has cool features. And I see the trailer park contingent have already chimed in. Yeah OP, get a camaro and some oxycontins. You'll be on your way to blue collar royalty in no time. Hey... I own a camaro and I voted for the Focus.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:33:16 PM EDT
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I've had my '16 Fiesta for close to six months and I love it. Never thought I'd stray from Toyota, but I couldn't resist this street legal go-cart.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:35:08 PM EDT
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whichever is big enough for your purse I take it you've never been in one. If you had, you'd know it isn't for purse swingers. OP: Voted for the Focus ST. Love mine. Its lowered on a set of Mountune Sport springs- 1.4" in the front and 1" in the back. 15mm spacers in the front and 20mm in the back, RallyArmor mudflaps, a Breedt short shifter set to 40%, and a Green Filter. Hoping to get a FMIC when I get back from the 'stan. The woosh of the turbo when it spools makes my pants tight every time I drive it. Great on gas mileage as well for a vehicle that is that fun to drive. Like others have mentioned, it does have a few quirks, like the torque steer. But that's what happens when you have a FWD car. Its never been an issue for me, however. One of my main gripes is the 12.4gal tank. I drive 60mi a day round trip for work and I fill up twice a week with premium (91 is all I can get in Vegas). Other than that, its been an awesome car and I've only had it since October of last year. Get a good set of tires on it as well and you'll be speeding before you realize it. I get compliments all the time with people asking me about it and most don't even realize it isn't just a regular Focus. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:38:26 PM EDT
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1 have a '15 Focus ST1. Love it. I'd definitely buy another.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:51:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2016 6:06:20 PM EDT
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Work with a guy that has a Fiat 500 Abarth, quick little car. Looks pretty cool inside, he has a tune, exhaust and intake says it makes little over 200whp. I've ridden in it a few times, it certainly feels like it has the power he claims. Believe they start in the low 20's like the Fords.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 6:17:55 PM EDT
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Work with a guy that has a Fiat 500 Abarth, quick little car. Looks pretty cool inside, he has a tune, exhaust and intake says it makes little over 200whp. I've ridden in it a few times, it certainly feels like it has the power he claims. Believe they start in the low 20's like the Fords. Speaking of fiat abarths. Fiat is getting ready to release a car on the new Miata frame that has a Turbo! |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 6:21:46 PM EDT
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Love my focus ST. GTI is another great option. I wouldn't get a wrx unless you need all awd, steering, suspension, and interior are not up to par. without commenting on anything else... LOfuckingL |
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