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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:07:45 AM EDT
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In before the 400% import tax... Company pays less to produce government gets more money to burn on FSA We still pay the same price ??? Profit 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:08:38 AM EDT
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- we clamor for tax raises - we scream for centralized control of industry - we ignore the outrageous corporate tax burden in the U.S. and blame evil corporatist fat cats Arfcom is as retarded as DU when it comes to business. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:14:47 AM EDT
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End NAFTA now! Build a wall Deport all illegals X1000 |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:20:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If 5.85 is their benchmark, no state can meet that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Atleast move to a free state and keep the jobs in the states. If 5.85 is their benchmark, no state can meet that But if that's the lie you want to believe more power to you |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:25:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you have a company that's willing to relocate anywhere in the world and demands that US workers work for third world wages, that's not the market That's a company that wants to maximize its bottom line for its stockholders. And in fact, EVERY job in the US is worth more than 5.85 Anyone who says otherwise is being foolish. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The market should decide that, not the government. When you have a company that's willing to relocate anywhere in the world and demands that US workers work for third world wages, that's not the market That's a company that wants to maximize its bottom line for its stockholders. And in fact, EVERY job in the US is worth more than 5.85 Anyone who says otherwise is being foolish. Anyone who says otherwise is either uneducated, has no understanding of free market economics, or a useful idiot. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:25:34 AM EDT
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So the union says that's what they were told but offer up no proof. Sure, they're not trying to generate bad press for Carrier during a negotiation.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:36:10 AM EDT
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It's not the wages that are killing them, its the Obamacare, taxes, regulations, etc, etc. What they should have said was "Well, if the government didn't keep choking us with taxes and regulations, we would be able to stay." This is a 100% true. Carrie also moved there commercial plants to India maybe 5years ago so this is nothing new for them. Government needs to get out of the way. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:44:53 AM EDT
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Have no sympathy for union workers.
Worked at a union automotive supplier for two years and I will NEVER buy a car made in a union shop. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:46:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same can be said about Carrier. If it wasn't run by management only looking for increases in their bonuses for stockholders only interested in increasing dividends rather than stable and constant dividends, this wouldn't have happened. Corporate greed. And the property owners who set rent higher than it is in Mexico. And farmers who price food so high so they can afford a nice new 4x4. And so it goes. Reasonable wage is based on cost of living. And cost of living is based on what EVERY facet of our economy charges for goods and services. Health care would be cheaper if doctors charged less and if pharmaceutical companies would accept a reduced profit margin. Same thing with landlords charging less rent. Or Carrier charging less for A/C units.EVERYONE'S desire to maximize income/ standard of living affects everyone else. It's usually been pretty circular in the past, but globalism has thrown a wrench into the cycle, and it is creating more unemployment, more underemployment, and higher taxes to pay for the social programs Corporate America's lack of integrity has caused to be necessary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Same can be said about Carrier. If it wasn't run by management only looking for increases in their bonuses for stockholders only interested in increasing dividends rather than stable and constant dividends, this wouldn't have happened. Corporate greed. And the property owners who set rent higher than it is in Mexico. And farmers who price food so high so they can afford a nice new 4x4. And so it goes. Reasonable wage is based on cost of living. And cost of living is based on what EVERY facet of our economy charges for goods and services. Health care would be cheaper if doctors charged less and if pharmaceutical companies would accept a reduced profit margin. Same thing with landlords charging less rent. Or Carrier charging less for A/C units.EVERYONE'S desire to maximize income/ standard of living affects everyone else. It's usually been pretty circular in the past, but globalism has thrown a wrench into the cycle, and it is creating more unemployment, more underemployment, and higher taxes to pay for the social programs Corporate America's lack of integrity has caused to be necessary.  |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:50:46 AM EDT
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If Trump was smart he would make Carrier the poster company for all things future. If you built it here and now build it there, it ain't coming in here....period. How will that work? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:52:40 AM EDT
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ITT: - we clamor for tax raises - we scream for centralized control of industry - we ignore the outrageous corporate tax burden in the U.S. and blame evil corporatist fat cats Arfcom is as retarded as DU when it comes to business. Amen brother. This thread is shameful and absurd. Apparently WE LOVE GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF THE ECONOMY, when it benefits us. Why don't you guys MYOB, only buy from companies that produce stuff in the USA and let other people who can't afford to do that buy the other stuff? Let competition sort it out. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:54:16 AM EDT
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How much cheaper will these units be now theta their cost has dropped?
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:57:03 AM EDT
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And a thought.... is a tyrannical and oppressive government and worse than a tyrannical and oppressive economy controlled by corporate elite? Deep. Please show some examples with only one of the above. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:57:28 AM EDT
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this is playing out just like atlas shrugged
fuck this country, fuck every single politician, and most of all fuck donald trump and that pinko bitch clinton. i will no longer stand up for this country. fuck it, ill take all my money and save what i can and move to mexico as well when feasible. fuck this place, and fuck the american people too. bunch of complete retards. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:59:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much cheaper will these units be now theta their cost has dropped? Not at all and will probably be less reliable. I have a 20 year old unit and am afraid to replace it because everyone I know that has put a new unit in over the last 10 years has had to do it again in an average of 5 years. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:00:04 AM EDT
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If Trump was smart he would make Carrier the poster company for all things future. If you built it here and now build it there, it ain't coming in here....period. How will that work? lol, it wont. its just another trumproid fantasy that will lead us into war. tariffs will fuck everyone. trump is an idiot, anyone parroting what he says is worse than him. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:01:15 AM EDT
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LOL poor me right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We are disappointed the union has apparently chosen to negotiate through the media, rather than engage in productive discussions with us. The company never suggested our employees should work for $5.85. The union was told that to achieve the $65 million in annual savings resulting from the relocation, the average hourly wage rate would need to be $5.85 per hour. That is not possible and shows why the company believes the union cannot offer concessions sufficient to change the company's intent to relocate. That’s why it’s time for the union to return to the table to talk about what’s important now, reaching an agreement that provides clarity and certainty for our employees during the transition." Looks like the union is just trying to cause problems... lol...Fuck unions..you get what you deserve. Fuck corporations and fuck the losers who suck 'em off. Capitalism. It either works both ways, or it isn't capitalism. LOL poor me right? The problem isn't capitalism The problem IS corporatism. Many successful companies playing on the same field in regards to the rules. Or, a few mega companies paying elected officials to skew the game in their favors, including a blind eye to what would be a monopoly in some industries. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:07:27 AM EDT
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:14:14 AM EDT
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Carrier has been making several series of RTU in Mexico for several years. Complete crap. I purchased a dozen units not realizing the production change and all had lots of issues. So bad company had to send reps out to help local vendor.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:16:51 AM EDT
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Who the fuck would authorize this statement? On what planet would this sort of statement garner support for the company? They need to fire their PR rep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Union thug is the one claiming it, not Carrier. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:18:10 AM EDT
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Obama!!??
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:20:40 AM EDT
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Their company their choice. Agreed. It's amazing how many don't get it. There was a pretty good reply to that a few posts above yours. Many people "get" just how predatory and don't-give-a-damn many companies are. That's not a healthy situation, any more than the gov't dictating everything in the economy. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:36:20 AM EDT
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In your job who do you think your company would rather employ? You making xx an hour or someone who makes 1/20th of what you make? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. In your job who do you think your company would rather employ? You making xx an hour or someone who makes 1/20th of what you make? Are they going to sell their products cheaper? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:38:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a pretty good reply to that a few posts above yours. Many people "get" just how predatory and don't-give-a-damn many companies are. That's not a healthy situation, any more than the gov't dictating everything in the economy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Their company their choice. Agreed. It's amazing how many don't get it. There was a pretty good reply to that a few posts above yours. Many people "get" just how predatory and don't-give-a-damn many companies are. That's not a healthy situation, any more than the gov't dictating everything in the economy. A small example of this is that our County Commissioners passed a regulation that requires a building permit for a homeowner to replace a door or window. This makes it difficult for the local handyman that does not have a contractors license. It is a burden on the home owner as the permit costs almost as much as a prehung exterior door does. Most of the County Commissioners are contractors. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:40:28 AM EDT
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This. Does this include Carriers CEO and board of directors new wage? No. A 30% tax on our Carrier made products in Mexico which re-enter the US will help dampen the CEO and board of directors "fuck America" attitude. In which those collected tax funds will go towards tax cuts for business's who remain pro-American. The working people in Indiana have a clear choice soon as to whether to support "free trade" like Carrier and Disney have embraced, expand NAFTA into Asia, making a super NAFTA called TPP, expand H1B visas to 500,000 per year (there goes the "educated" voters jobs)...or vote for someone who wants to stop this anti-American pro-Globalist BS. We shall soon see if they choose wisely like the majority of American workers so far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What fucking retard would even suggest something so fucking stupid? It's honestly just a fuck you to all of the people they will be firing. This. Does this include Carriers CEO and board of directors new wage? No. A 30% tax on our Carrier made products in Mexico which re-enter the US will help dampen the CEO and board of directors "fuck America" attitude. In which those collected tax funds will go towards tax cuts for business's who remain pro-American. The working people in Indiana have a clear choice soon as to whether to support "free trade" like Carrier and Disney have embraced, expand NAFTA into Asia, making a super NAFTA called TPP, expand H1B visas to 500,000 per year (there goes the "educated" voters jobs)...or vote for someone who wants to stop this anti-American pro-Globalist BS. We shall soon see if they choose wisely like the majority of American workers so far. Yeah. I imagine this site would be perfectly calm and agreeable to a 30% tax on imported ammunition made in the 2nd and 3rd world. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:41:26 AM EDT
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Same can be said about Carrier. If it wasn't run by management only looking for increases in their bonuses for stockholders only interested in increasing dividends rather than stable and constant dividends, this wouldn't have happened. Corporate greed. And the property owners who set rent higher than it is in Mexico. And farmers who price food so high so they can afford a nice new 4x4. And so it goes. Reasonable wage is based on cost of living. And cost of living is based on what EVERY facet of our economy charges for goods and services. Health care would be cheaper if doctors charged less and if pharmaceutical companies would accept a reduced profit margin. Same thing with landlords charging less rent. Or Carrier charging less for A/C units.EVERYONE'S desire to maximize income/ standard of living affects everyone else. It's usually been pretty circular in the past, but globalism has thrown a wrench into the cycle, and it is creating more unemployment, more underemployment, and higher taxes to pay for the social programs Corporate America's lack of integrity has caused to be necessary.
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That was one of the DUMBEST things I have ever read. This thread has had many members trying for that honor, but this might take the cake. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:42:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. I imagine this site would be perfectly calm and agreeable to a 30% tax on imported ammunition made in the 2nd and 3rd world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What fucking retard would even suggest something so fucking stupid? It's honestly just a fuck you to all of the people they will be firing. This. Does this include Carriers CEO and board of directors new wage? No. A 30% tax on our Carrier made products in Mexico which re-enter the US will help dampen the CEO and board of directors "fuck America" attitude. In which those collected tax funds will go towards tax cuts for business's who remain pro-American. The working people in Indiana have a clear choice soon as to whether to support "free trade" like Carrier and Disney have embraced, expand NAFTA into Asia, making a super NAFTA called TPP, expand H1B visas to 500,000 per year (there goes the "educated" voters jobs)...or vote for someone who wants to stop this anti-American pro-Globalist BS. We shall soon see if they choose wisely like the majority of American workers so far. Yeah. I imagine this site would be perfectly calm and agreeable to a 30% tax on imported ammunition made in the 2nd and 3rd world. Apples and oranges and all that |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:45:57 AM EDT
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Jesus... A Trump/Sanders ticket really would be unstoppable. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:52:47 AM EDT
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ITT: - we clamor for tax raises - we scream for centralized control of industry - we ignore the outrageous corporate tax burden in the U.S. and blame evil corporatist fat cats Arfcom is as retarded as DU when it comes to business. These threads always bring out the Commies. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:58:30 AM EDT
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These threads always bring out the Commies. 
The men who ran the US government during the 19th century were Communists? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 11:59:48 AM EDT
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according to the constitution the federal govt can add tax to imports thats how they made money before they started taxing income.levy away goverment!! and leave my income alone. then i can have the ability to decide where and on what i will spend my money. and if there is a tax on foriegn cheap ammo and none on us made ammo i suspect there will be people who will set up ammo factories here just like some of those gun makers that are making guns here to get around a import ban.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:01:29 PM EDT
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Jesus... A Trump/Sanders ticket really would be unstoppable. Yep. Dreamteam |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:21:23 PM EDT
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If unions are the solution, why aren't there any union owned manufacturing facilities? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/call-6-carrier-said-it-might-stay-if-workers-cut-their-pay-to-585-an-hour Call 6 Investigates found out that during those talks Carrier apparently told the union they could possibly stay if the workers agreed to cut their pay from about $23 an hour to $5.85 an hour. Carrier is supposed to save about $65 million a year when it moves to Mexico in 2017. The union is the one who released the "quote". The union is the ones who are causing the problems. Fuck them. I've never been pro union at any point in my life but unions did not cause this problem. The ability of an American company to relocate to a third world shithole and pay slave wages did. Go ahead and cheer for more Americans soon to be on the government tit. If unions are the solution, why aren't there any union owned manufacturing facilities? Where did I say they were the solution? I don't believe that they are. I also belive at the end of they day they are the cause of many problems. The carrier issue is not necessarily one of them. In this case Carrier admitted as much. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:25:23 PM EDT
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Their company their choice. Agreed. I agree completely. It's also my choice who to do business with. Guess which companys products will not be considered in the future when I need a new HVAC system. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:25:59 PM EDT
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So we get cheaper ACs and Mexico gets jobs to keep more people in their own country?
Isn't this Win/Win? Go capitalism? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:26:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amen brother. This thread is shameful and absurd. Apparently WE LOVE GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF THE ECONOMY, when it benefits us. Why don't you guys MYOB, only buy from companies that produce stuff in the USA and let other people who can't afford to do that buy the other stuff? Let competition sort it out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ITT: - we clamor for tax raises - we scream for centralized control of industry - we ignore the outrageous corporate tax burden in the U.S. and blame evil corporatist fat cats Arfcom is as retarded as DU when it comes to business. Amen brother. This thread is shameful and absurd. Apparently WE LOVE GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF THE ECONOMY, when it benefits us. Why don't you guys MYOB, only buy from companies that produce stuff in the USA and let other people who can't afford to do that buy the other stuff? Let competition sort it out. Not to mention companies in the US must adhere to our standards on labor, environment, etc...the ones we are "free trading" with do not. New trade deals should require non-US companies abide by the same standards our companies do..or better yet we drop our regs to match theirs. But it is not fair trade otherwise. As it is its not a matter of "competition" anymore than if you compete with someone allowed to use steroids while you can not. Bad trade deals is what caused mass job migration out of the US. No one is against trade...so long as its fair trade. That is what we are going to change. Meanwhile have have someone running for the first time wanting to address this. The rest want to expand NAFTA to Asia via TPP. Which if happens will be the greatest job loss and shift of wealth in world history as NAFTA gave us that already, TPP will be 100 times that. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:28:41 PM EDT
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They would better off bringing a consultant to analyze which worthless union employees they can get rid of.
I've never been to a union operation where you couldn't blatantly identify 4 or 5 people for every 20 or so that could easily be let go. It's sad but...I mean come on, businesses are businesses, not job factories. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:33:24 PM EDT
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I agree completely. It's also my choice who to do business with. Guess which companys products will not be considered in the future when I need a new HVAC system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their company their choice. Agreed. I agree completely. It's also my choice who to do business with. Guess which companys products will not be considered in the future when I need a new HVAC system. Not enough people vote with their wallets. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:34:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we get cheaper ACs and Mexico gets jobs to keep more people in their own country? Isn't this Win/Win? Go capitalism? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:37:06 PM EDT
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Their company their choice. Agreed. I agree completely. It's also my choice who to do business with. Guess which companys products will not be considered in the future when I need a new HVAC system. Not enough people vote with their wallets. Unfortunately you're right. Americans gobble up garbage from China and lament the days when "good jobs" were readily available. We're our own worst enemy. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:48:49 PM EDT
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I have a friend who works at UTEC in Huntington. I feel very bad for her that she is losing her job. But she told me the company recently had to hire armed security guards because some of the equipment and machinery was getting sabotaged by the workers (after they learned their jobs were getting shipped out courtesy of NAFTA). What a great idea - after learning you might be losing your job because the company wants to move to Mexico, you ENSURE IT WILL HAPPEN by sabotaging equipment and machines. (Not to mention the fact you could possibly get hauled off to jail and end up with a criminal record if you get caught sabotaging - guaranteeing you will never get a good paying job again).Quote HistoryQuoted:
United Technologies Electronic Controls, a heating, ventilation and air conditioning manufacturer that, like Carrier, is also owned by Hartford, Conn.-based United Technologies Corp., announced it will move from Huntington, Ind., to a new plant in Mexico. The move will cost the northeastern Indiana city 700 jobs by 2018, according to the Indianapolis Star. I have a friend who works at UTEC in Huntington. I feel very bad for her that she is losing her job. But she told me the company recently had to hire armed security guards because some of the equipment and machinery was getting sabotaged by the workers (after they learned their jobs were getting shipped out courtesy of NAFTA). What a great idea - after learning you might be losing your job because the company wants to move to Mexico, you ENSURE IT WILL HAPPEN by sabotaging equipment and machines. (Not to mention the fact you could possibly get hauled off to jail and end up with a criminal record if you get caught sabotaging - guaranteeing you will never get a good paying job again).How about you not tell people, "fuck you, fuck your families, fuck this town...and anyone who lives in it. We are sooooo firing you now get back to work until April whatever when we are going to close this place because our Mexican factory is up and running. Also you miserable fucks, do not forget keep the QC up and maintain customer service standards you miserable cunts." Because in the minds of the plant employees that is exactly what happened. I posted earlier in this thread that this is how the L85 British army rifle turned into a POS that has taken decades to try an fix. Everyone involved in the design and manufacture found out midway through the development cycle that when the gun was finished and the x numbers of guns were made with some spares everyone was going to be shit canned and the Arsenal was going to permanently close. Remarkably QC turned to shit and no one could figure out why.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:50:11 PM EDT
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$5.85 is probably exactly what the blue collars are worth...not seeing a problem here, why would anyone want to pay employees inflated wages instead of keeping the money in the hands of upper management and stockholders? I hope you like paying higher and higher taxes to maintain those former blue collar workers who can not find or will not take jobs in your business model. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:54:19 PM EDT
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ITT: - we clamor for tax raises - we scream for centralized control of industry - we ignore the outrageous corporate tax burden in the U.S. and blame evil corporatist fat cats Arfcom is as retarded as DU when it comes to business. The shit Carrier just pulled is how you breed Democrats, Socialists, and Communists. Carrier what all the benefits of being a First World Company, but they want to pay Third World Wages. Nothing turns people to support Big Government faster than a Corp firing them so they can hire Mexicans or Indians or Vietnamese solely to pad a profit margin....a very Carly Fiorina mopve by the way. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:55:52 PM EDT
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What fucking retard would even suggest something so fucking stupid? It's honestly just a fuck you to all of the people they will be firing. This. Does this include Carriers CEO and board of directors new wage? No. A 30% tax on our Carrier made products in Mexico which re-enter the US will help dampen the CEO and board of directors "fuck America" attitude. In which those collected tax funds will go towards tax cuts for business's who remain pro-American. The working people in Indiana have a clear choice soon as to whether to support "free trade" like Carrier and Disney have embraced, expand NAFTA into Asia, making a super NAFTA called TPP, expand H1B visas to 500,000 per year (there goes the "educated" voters jobs)...or vote for someone who wants to stop this anti-American pro-Globalist BS. We shall soon see if they choose wisely like the majority of American workers so far. Yeah. I imagine this site would be perfectly calm and agreeable to a 30% tax on imported ammunition made in the 2nd and 3rd world. Well if Carrier and the rest like them and not a bunch of dickbags then this would not be where we are heading. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:56:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And then wages still kill their product, their AC units run 40-70% more then your wonderfully built Chinese piece of shit and they can no longer compete selling here or anywhere else. And Americans buy the cheap piece of crap Chinese units because, hey, it's cheaper. And then Carrier goes out of business. Americans, our own worst enemies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Atleast move to a free state and keep the jobs in the states. And then wages still kill their product, their AC units run 40-70% more then your wonderfully built Chinese piece of shit and they can no longer compete selling here or anywhere else. And Americans buy the cheap piece of crap Chinese units because, hey, it's cheaper. And then Carrier goes out of business. Americans, our own worst enemies. Instead of blaming this on pay let's look at the cost of doing business in America. Government regulation is what's killing manufacturing here. Unskilled union labor isn't helping but taxes and regulation is way more costly. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:57:47 PM EDT
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There shouldnt be any minimum wage. If the market commands a certain hourly wage then it's capitalism. Look at singapore - they dont have a minmum wage. All their service sector McJobs consist of elderly and teens. Able bodied adults have to work on their skills and get a job that supports their families. None of this lazy FSA work 20 hours a week and get gov aid BS I agree there shouldn't be a minimum wage, but Singapore is a shitty societal model for, well, anything. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:57:59 PM EDT
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The shit Carrier just pulled is how you breed Democrats, Socialists, and Communists. Carrier what all the benefits of being a First World Company, but they want to pay Third World Wages. Nothing turns people to support Big Government faster than a Corp firing them so they can hire Mexicans or Indians or Vietnamese solely to pad a profit margin....a very Carly Fiorina mopve by the way. Unions demand higher wages - company isn't profitable - outsource. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:02:39 PM EDT
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The problem isn't capitalism The problem IS corporatism. Many successful companies playing on the same field in regards to the rules. Or, a few mega companies paying elected officials to skew the game in their favors, including a blind eye to what would be a monopoly in some industries. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We are disappointed the union has apparently chosen to negotiate through the media, rather than engage in productive discussions with us. The company never suggested our employees should work for $5.85. The union was told that to achieve the $65 million in annual savings resulting from the relocation, the average hourly wage rate would need to be $5.85 per hour. That is not possible and shows why the company believes the union cannot offer concessions sufficient to change the company's intent to relocate. That’s why it’s time for the union to return to the table to talk about what’s important now, reaching an agreement that provides clarity and certainty for our employees during the transition." Looks like the union is just trying to cause problems... lol...Fuck unions..you get what you deserve. Fuck corporations and fuck the losers who suck 'em off. Capitalism. It either works both ways, or it isn't capitalism. LOL poor me right? The problem isn't capitalism The problem IS corporatism. Many successful companies playing on the same field in regards to the rules. Or, a few mega companies paying elected officials to skew the game in their favors, including a blind eye to what would be a monopoly in some industries. Who cares it's their business, don't work for them or buy their product if you don't want to. |
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I agree completely. It's also my choice who to do business with. Guess which companys products will not be considered in the future when I need a new HVAC system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their company their choice. Agreed. I agree completely. It's also my choice who to do business with. Guess which companys products will not be considered in the future when I need a new HVAC system. And that right there is how it should work. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:07:11 PM EDT
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Union did it to themselves, couple of years ago they demanded more pay, more benefits(healthcare) and Carrier caved and it had now become more desirable to move to Mexico. They will be closer to all the components that are already made down there. They were one of the last to move.
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