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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:09:03 PM EDT
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Carrier here moved their entire production to Mexico a couple years ago. There's an entire million+ square foot building for sale.
Now it's just Train. I'd hate to work for them. You work 6 months, then they lay you off and will probably hire you back 6 months later. Rinse and repeat |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:10:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus... A Trump/Sanders ticket really would be unstoppable. Authoritarian economic illiterates unite!
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:11:12 PM EDT
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Unions demand higher wages - company isn't profitable - outsource. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The shit Carrier just pulled is how you breed Democrats, Socialists, and Communists. Carrier what all the benefits of being a First World Company, but they want to pay Third World Wages. Nothing turns people to support Big Government faster than a Corp firing them so they can hire Mexicans or Indians or Vietnamese solely to pad a profit margin....a very Carly Fiorina mopve by the way. Unions demand higher wages - company isn't profitable - outsource. Carrier and the parent company posted significant profits last year. Soo try again. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:17:48 PM EDT
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Their company, their rules.
Our country, our tariffs. Pick your poison. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:19:07 PM EDT
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If Trump was smart he would make Carrier the poster company for all things future. If you built it here and now build it there, it ain't coming in here....period. So, you're all for government intervention in private business? Noted. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:19:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FACT: A job in a free market is only worth what the market is willing to bare. Anyone who says otherwise is either uneducated, has no understanding of free market economics, or a useful idiot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The market should decide that, not the government. When you have a company that's willing to relocate anywhere in the world and demands that US workers work for third world wages, that's not the market That's a company that wants to maximize its bottom line for its stockholders. And in fact, EVERY job in the US is worth more than 5.85 Anyone who says otherwise is being foolish. Anyone who says otherwise is either uneducated, has no understanding of free market economics, or a useful idiot.  |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Carrier here moved their entire production to Mexico a couple years ago. There's an entire million+ square foot building for sale. Now it's just Train. I'd hate to work for them. You work 6 months, then they lay you off and will probably hire you back 6 months later. Rinse and repeat Maybe they can play this to their advantage and increase sales. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:23:01 PM EDT
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FUCK CARRIER!!
Oh, and FBHO and FHRC |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:23:17 PM EDT
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100% American Made
Anyone desiring American made air conditioning systems should take heart. They are all American made. Condensing units, heat pumps, air handling units, and furnaces are all components of the final system, which is custom assembled at the jobsite by the contractor. They are not plug and play, like refrigerators or window units. Just as a compressor is a part in a condensing unit, a condensing unit is merely a part in a comfort system. The comfort system does not exist prior to the installation. Thus, every comfort system in the country is American made. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:26:43 PM EDT
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So the union says that's what they were told but offer up no proof. Sure, they're not trying to generate bad press for Carrier during a negotiation. Fuck unions. Or bad press during an election. The union there endorsed Sanders, no surprise there. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:27:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this is playing out just like atlas shrugged  fuck this country, fuck every single politician, and most of all fuck donald trump and that pinko bitch clinton. i will no longer stand up for this country. fuck it, ill take all my money and save what i can and move to mexico as well when feasible. fuck this place, and fuck the american people too. bunch of complete retards. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:29:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, it wont. its just another trumproid fantasy that will lead us into war. tariffs will fuck everyone. trump is an idiot, anyone parroting what he says is worse than him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If Trump was smart he would make Carrier the poster company for all things future. If you built it here and now build it there, it ain't coming in here....period. How will that work? lol, it wont. its just another trumproid fantasy that will lead us into war. tariffs will fuck everyone. trump is an idiot, anyone parroting what he says is worse than him. The rest of the world has tariffs on our goods. Have we gone to war yet with France over the chicken tax? Or Japan over the Truck Tax? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:40:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope you like paying higher and higher taxes to maintain those former blue collar workers who can not find or will not take jobs in your business model. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $5.85 is probably exactly what the blue collars are worth...not seeing a problem here, why would anyone want to pay employees inflated wages instead of keeping the money in the hands of upper management and stockholders? I hope you like paying higher and higher taxes to maintain those former blue collar workers who can not find or will not take jobs in your business model. If taxes get much higher, I will just expat to a low cost of living country and say fuck it all. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. I imagine this site would be perfectly calm and agreeable to a 30% tax on imported ammunition made in the 2nd and 3rd world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What fucking retard would even suggest something so fucking stupid? It's honestly just a fuck you to all of the people they will be firing. This. Does this include Carriers CEO and board of directors new wage? No. A 30% tax on our Carrier made products in Mexico which re-enter the US will help dampen the CEO and board of directors "fuck America" attitude. In which those collected tax funds will go towards tax cuts for business's who remain pro-American. The working people in Indiana have a clear choice soon as to whether to support "free trade" like Carrier and Disney have embraced, expand NAFTA into Asia, making a super NAFTA called TPP, expand H1B visas to 500,000 per year (there goes the "educated" voters jobs)...or vote for someone who wants to stop this anti-American pro-Globalist BS. We shall soon see if they choose wisely like the majority of American workers so far. Yeah. I imagine this site would be perfectly calm and agreeable to a 30% tax on imported ammunition made in the 2nd and 3rd world. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:57:40 PM EDT
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There shouldnt be any minimum wage. If the market commands a certain hourly wage then it's capitalism. Look at singapore - they dont have a minmum wage. All their service sector McJobs consist of elderly and teens. Able bodied adults have to work on their skills and get a job that supports their families. None of this lazy FSA work 20 hours a week and get gov aid BS Singapore imports nearly all service labor from Malaysia. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: according to the constitution the federal govt can add tax to imports thats how they made money before they started taxing income.levy away goverment!! and leave my income alone. then i can have the ability to decide where and on what i will spend my money. and if there is a tax on foriegn cheap ammo and none on us made ammo i suspect there will be people who will set up ammo factories here just like some of those gun makers that are making guns here to get around a import ban. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:09:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't worry Cruz's plan to expand NAFTA via TPP makes the US loose its tax base (you must like paying more taxes and weakening defense), but he plans to expand the H1B visa program (look into how this worked for Disney skilled labor) to 500,000 per year. If you are in a skilled field, you are next, nurses techs, you name it, all can be replaced and forced to train your "migrant" replacement). Enjoy your service job as we dismantle the US in the name of Globalism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So we get cheaper ACs and Mexico gets jobs to keep more people in their own country? Isn't this Win/Win? Go capitalism? Hell, some agencies are hiring H1Bs and Legal Aliens as cops. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:10:04 PM EDT
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Just don't buy from them if you need A/C. There are other manufactures of A/C.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:16:49 PM EDT
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Just don't buy from them if you need A/C. There are other manufactures of A/C.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:52:54 PM EDT
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Why isn't Ford getting as much attention for investing over a billion dollars and hiring twice the number of workers in Mexico?
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:59:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why isn't Ford getting as much attention for investing over a billion dollars and hiring twice the number of workers in Mexico? Thought they backed away from that? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:05:30 PM EDT
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model.  Or maybe people quit buying cheap made in China shit. This is why I will not buy a Japanese or Korean car. And before anyone says "but they are made in Tennessee," keep in mind that the PROFITS go back to Japan. I want any profits from my car purchase to stay inside the USA. Having my GM produced in Canada is bad enough but at least they pay an honest wage to the Canadians. I am sure that Ford (I will not have another Ford after my Taurus) doesn't pay a decent wage for cars made in Mexico so that's two strikes against them. If I decide to buy a MB, I'm sure the Germans pay a decent wage as well and the result of that is evident in the price tag of the car. I do not mind paying MORE to keep people employed with a decent income. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:16:53 PM EDT
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. They did. That required a change to lower cost labor in another country. They are already pretty cheap on the commercial side. That's what we install. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:21:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or maybe people quit buying cheap made in China shit. This is why I will not buy a Japanese or Korean car. And before anyone says "but they are made in Tennessee," keep in mind that the PROFITS go back to Japan. I want any profits from my car purchase to stay inside the USA. Having my GM produced in Canada is bad enough but at least they pay an honest wage to the Canadians. I am sure that Ford (I will not have another Ford after my Taurus) doesn't pay a decent wage for cars made in Mexico so that's two strikes against them. If I decide to buy a MB, I'm sure the Germans pay a decent wage as well and the result of that is evident in the price tag of the car. I do not mind paying MORE to keep people employed with a decent income. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. Or maybe people quit buying cheap made in China shit. This is why I will not buy a Japanese or Korean car. And before anyone says "but they are made in Tennessee," keep in mind that the PROFITS go back to Japan. I want any profits from my car purchase to stay inside the USA. Having my GM produced in Canada is bad enough but at least they pay an honest wage to the Canadians. I am sure that Ford (I will not have another Ford after my Taurus) doesn't pay a decent wage for cars made in Mexico so that's two strikes against them. If I decide to buy a MB, I'm sure the Germans pay a decent wage as well and the result of that is evident in the price tag of the car. I do not mind paying MORE to keep people employed with a decent income. Which is false. You can buy stock in those companies and keep the profits here. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:25:23 PM EDT
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5.85 an hr is a livable wage!
Use free newspapers to wipe ass with Only crap at work Churches give away food always You don't need a 80k truck or 500k house Thrift stores have name brands at a fraction of th cost of new Cutting your natty light with tap water is actually good! You can feed a family of four for under 2.00 Your wealthy parents or grandparents will feel sorry for you and buy you stuff Pay phones are still around You don't need cable of internet Cardboard boxes are water resistant Dog or cat tastes good if really humgry |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:29:38 PM EDT
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If workers here are not willing to work for the offered wage, no one will choose to work for them. How is that beating people down and taking their stuff? That's easy The companies will say they can't get enough Americans ( without saying they're the cause of the shortage) and demand that they be allowed to import workers on visas who are willing to work for a much lower pay scale. Not like these companies haven't already demonstrated their willingness to do exactly that |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:32:54 PM EDT
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It’s Not Labor
Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:48:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or maybe people quit buying cheap made in China shit. This is why I will not buy a Japanese or Korean car. And before anyone says "but they are made in Tennessee," keep in mind that the PROFITS go back to Japan. I want any profits from my car purchase to stay inside the USA. Having my GM produced in Canada is bad enough but at least they pay an honest wage to the Canadians. I am sure that Ford (I will not have another Ford after my Taurus) doesn't pay a decent wage for cars made in Mexico so that's two strikes against them. If I decide to buy a MB, I'm sure the Germans pay a decent wage as well and the result of that is evident in the price tag of the car. I do not mind paying MORE to keep people employed with a decent income. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. Or maybe people quit buying cheap made in China shit. This is why I will not buy a Japanese or Korean car. And before anyone says "but they are made in Tennessee," keep in mind that the PROFITS go back to Japan. I want any profits from my car purchase to stay inside the USA. Having my GM produced in Canada is bad enough but at least they pay an honest wage to the Canadians. I am sure that Ford (I will not have another Ford after my Taurus) doesn't pay a decent wage for cars made in Mexico so that's two strikes against them. If I decide to buy a MB, I'm sure the Germans pay a decent wage as well and the result of that is evident in the price tag of the car. I do not mind paying MORE to keep people employed with a decent income. I'd rather buy a Texas made Toyota than a Mexican made Ford. Why? It was made by Americans making a decent living in the US. Same as FN, Glock, HK, Beretta, etc.... those are foreign gun companies that make their products in the US. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 3:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Florida State Troopers earn $16 an hour. Florida Capitol Police earn $15 an hour, Florida Department of Corrections earns $14 an hour. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity That is starting pay right? Don't forget to factor in the pension and benefits. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:46:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is starting pay right? Don't forget to factor in the pension and benefits. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity That is starting pay right? Don't forget to factor in the pension and benefits. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:54:48 PM EDT
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Starting pay.... pay raises do not happen unless the Legislature votes and the Governor signs it. There is no Step Raises with the State. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity That is starting pay right? Don't forget to factor in the pension and benefits. $16 /hr. I make a few bucks under that at a part time job. 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:55:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Starting pay.... pay raises do not happen unless the Legislature votes and the Governor signs it. There is no Step Raises with the State. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity That is starting pay right? Don't forget to factor in the pension and benefits.  |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:02:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $16 /hr. I make a few bucks under that at a part time job. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity That is starting pay right? Don't forget to factor in the pension and benefits. $16 /hr. I make a few bucks under that at a part time job.  I be poor
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:04:04 PM EDT
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Or maybe people quit buying cheap made in China shit. This is why I will not buy a Japanese or Korean car. And before anyone says "but they are made in Tennessee," keep in mind that the PROFITS go back to Japan. I want any profits from my car purchase to stay inside the USA. Having my GM produced in Canada is bad enough but at least they pay an honest wage to the Canadians. I am sure that Ford (I will not have another Ford after my Taurus) doesn't pay a decent wage for cars made in Mexico so that's two strikes against them. If I decide to buy a MB, I'm sure the Germans pay a decent wage as well and the result of that is evident in the price tag of the car. I do not mind paying MORE to keep people employed with a decent income. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. Or maybe people quit buying cheap made in China shit. This is why I will not buy a Japanese or Korean car. And before anyone says "but they are made in Tennessee," keep in mind that the PROFITS go back to Japan. I want any profits from my car purchase to stay inside the USA. Having my GM produced in Canada is bad enough but at least they pay an honest wage to the Canadians. I am sure that Ford (I will not have another Ford after my Taurus) doesn't pay a decent wage for cars made in Mexico so that's two strikes against them. If I decide to buy a MB, I'm sure the Germans pay a decent wage as well and the result of that is evident in the price tag of the car. I do not mind paying MORE to keep people employed with a decent income. Fuck the profits, Toyota pays a decent wage (I'm sure) to Tennesseen's |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:05:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Starting pay.... pay raises do not happen unless the Legislature votes and the Governor signs it. There is no Step Raises with the State. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity That is starting pay right? Don't forget to factor in the pension and benefits. But honestly I do not believe many are working for that wage. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:06:38 PM EDT
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I be poorIts ok. When I retire, I'll come down and work for the state for my second pension.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:07:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its ok. When I retire, I'll come down and work for the state for my second pension. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I be poorIts ok. When I retire, I'll come down and work for the state for my second pension. I am contemplating doing the same for my third pension. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 5:29:56 PM EDT
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$16 /hr. I make a few bucks under that at a part time job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity That is starting pay right? Don't forget to factor in the pension and benefits. $16 /hr. I make a few bucks under that at a part time job. I make more on my side job LLC gig
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Posted: 5/1/2016 6:52:44 PM EDT
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Carrier and the parent company posted significant profits last year. Soo try again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The shit Carrier just pulled is how you breed Democrats, Socialists, and Communists. Carrier what all the benefits of being a First World Company, but they want to pay Third World Wages. Nothing turns people to support Big Government faster than a Corp firing them so they can hire Mexicans or Indians or Vietnamese solely to pad a profit margin....a very Carly Fiorina mopve by the way. Unions demand higher wages - company isn't profitable - outsource. Carrier and the parent company posted significant profits last year. Soo try again. link? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 6:59:58 PM EDT
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It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity That happened where I retired from...no more pension plan, less hourly wage, etc. Seems to be the trend as corporations figured out how to screw the worker, union or not. Cheap labor trumps American jobs or the threat of it moving off shore. CEOs and shareholders come first, workers are the bottom feeders in their eyes. The huge divide only getting bigger. NAFTA...bad stuff. That said, I wouldn't get out of bed for under $25 an hour, with bennies and that was 6 years ago, yes in Ohio. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 7:55:51 PM EDT
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Don't worry Cruz's plan to expand NAFTA via TPP makes the US loose its tax base (you must like paying more taxes and weakening defense), but he plans to expand the H1B visa program (look into how this worked for Disney skilled labor) to 500,000 per year. If you are in a skilled field, you are next, nurses techs, you name it, all can be replaced and forced to train your "migrant" replacement). Enjoy your service job as we dismantle the US in the name of Globalism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So we get cheaper ACs and Mexico gets jobs to keep more people in their own country? Isn't this Win/Win? Go capitalism? So you're saying some times capitalism requires some regulations, or else the government and the corporations who lobby it might screw some things up? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 7:57:07 PM EDT
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Their company, their rules. Our country, our tariffs. Pick your poison. Yup. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 7:58:21 PM EDT
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If taxes get much higher, I will just expat to a low cost of living country and say fuck it all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$5.85 is probably exactly what the blue collars are worth...not seeing a problem here, why would anyone want to pay employees inflated wages instead of keeping the money in the hands of upper management and stockholders? I hope you like paying higher and higher taxes to maintain those former blue collar workers who can not find or will not take jobs in your business model. If taxes get much higher, I will just expat to a low cost of living country and say fuck it all. Good luck to you Mr. Stateless Person. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 7:58:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Truth! Authoritarian economic illiterates unite! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jesus... A Trump/Sanders ticket really would be unstoppable. Authoritarian economic illiterates unite! |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 7:59:18 PM EDT
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What fucking retard would even suggest something so fucking stupid? It's honestly just a fuck you to all of the people they will be firing. This. Does this include Carriers CEO and board of directors new wage? No. A 30% tax on our Carrier made products in Mexico which re-enter the US will help dampen the CEO and board of directors "fuck America" attitude. In which those collected tax funds will go towards tax cuts for business's who remain pro-American. The working people in Indiana have a clear choice soon as to whether to support "free trade" like Carrier and Disney have embraced, expand NAFTA into Asia, making a super NAFTA called TPP, expand H1B visas to 500,000 per year (there goes the "educated" voters jobs)...or vote for someone who wants to stop this anti-American pro-Globalist BS. We shall soon see if they choose wisely like the majority of American workers so far. Yeah. I imagine this site would be perfectly calm and agreeable to a 30% tax on imported ammunition made in the 2nd and 3rd world. The ironic part is they created a whole slew of boutique competitors, some who have become major companies. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 8:00:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's easy The companies will say they can't get enough Americans ( without saying they're the cause of the shortage) and demand that they be allowed to import workers on visas who are willing to work for a much lower pay scale. Not like these companies haven't already demonstrated their willingness to do exactly that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If workers here are not willing to work for the offered wage, no one will choose to work for them. How is that beating people down and taking their stuff? That's easy The companies will say they can't get enough Americans ( without saying they're the cause of the shortage) and demand that they be allowed to import workers on visas who are willing to work for a much lower pay scale. Not like these companies haven't already demonstrated their willingness to do exactly that  |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 8:03:34 PM EDT
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It’s Not Labor Carrier’s labor costs at the Indianapolis plant were destined to fall over time anyway. The Indianapolis plant operates with a two-tier wage structure. This is what happens when the union sells out younger workers to benefit existing workers. Those hired before a certain date earn $26 per hour. The 25% of workers hired after that date earn $14 . So much for solidarity That is starting pay right? Don't forget to factor in the pension and benefits. $16 /hr. I make a few bucks under that at a part time job. Are you a state employee with benefits and a job security. Do you he the opportunity to make OT pretty much most weeks. Do you have the opportunity to test or get promoted or lateral to another agency? Can you carry your skills and contacts to another employer in the same area do similar work and make much more money? |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:37:52 PM EDT
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So if they want to dump PCBs and burn insulation off scrap wire at the plant they should be able to do it to? How about stop paying workers in money and instead give them credits at a company store? How about 12 hr days with no OT? What all the arch-capitalists on here don't get is the purpose of a business is to make money without regard to right or wrong, the workers or the environment. The job of the government is to represent the people who elected them and provide a counterbalance to what a business has to do to make money. This has gotten way out of hand and now government exists just to serve itself, not the people. In an ideal country this will even out so both people and the businesses can co-exist and survive - businesses needs workers and customers, workers need jobs and goods. Since free trade has taken off this balance is gone and it is going to wreck this country and in the long term all the companies because they will no longer have a market for their goods. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The market should decide that, not the government. When you have a company that's willing to relocate anywhere in the world and demands that US workers work for third world wages, that's not the market That's a company that wants to maximize its bottom line for its stockholders. And in fact, EVERY job in the US is worth more than 5.85 Anyone who says otherwise is being foolish. And that's fine, they should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR company. ETA the only reason every job is worth more is because of a forced min wage. I still say the market and personal skills should determine wage. So if they want to dump PCBs and burn insulation off scrap wire at the plant they should be able to do it to? How about stop paying workers in money and instead give them credits at a company store? How about 12 hr days with no OT? What all the arch-capitalists on here don't get is the purpose of a business is to make money without regard to right or wrong, the workers or the environment. The job of the government is to represent the people who elected them and provide a counterbalance to what a business has to do to make money. This has gotten way out of hand and now government exists just to serve itself, not the people. In an ideal country this will even out so both people and the businesses can co-exist and survive - businesses needs workers and customers, workers need jobs and goods. Since free trade has taken off this balance is gone and it is going to wreck this country and in the long term all the companies because they will no longer have a market for their goods. To add to this excellent post,,, At one time something approaching this ballance existed in America. It was a period most here consider a sort of golden age of prosperity and opportunity. But many now believe dad or grandpa flourished because he was a hard working man of oak who supported his family using nothing more than skill, muscle, work ethic, and Jesus. Of course, before unions, before that dance between workers and owners and government, the regular folks like grand dad were just as hard working, but mom had to work too, as did all the kids, and the company worked them as hard and long as they could for nothing. They literally worked them to death, often enough, and when the workers tried to organize they openly murdered them. Back then they didn't outsource the job, they simply imported workers wholesale. Steamship after steamship, as fast as they could offload them, feeding human meat to the machines of industry. Today the government and corporations are at it again, working together to pillage everything of value for themselves. They want it all, every penny, that generations have gathered. I am no socialist, that is no solution, but neither is corporatism. We need balance again. The PEOPLE need a seat at the table and a government that recognizes that the people's needs matter too. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 10:42:18 PM EDT
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Are you a state employee with benefits and a job security. Do you he the opportunity to make OT pretty much most weeks. Do you have the opportunity to test or get promoted or lateral to another agency? Can you carry your skills and contacts to another employer in the same area do similar work and make much more money? Bennies and job security? Yes. OT? Yes. Promotions? Yes. Lateral? Harder these days. And the last... yes. You do realize I said part time job, right? As in... I have a F/T and a P/T...
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