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Posted: 4/28/2016 1:27:32 AM EDT
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They're both incredibly beautiful. If I could reasonably live in either I would count myself lucky I completely agree. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 1:43:55 AM EDT
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Pulling out of Billings one morning and hit a gas station to grab a coffee and hit the road south.
2 locals obviously heading off to work insisted on paying for the coffee as they seemed to know I was travelling. I thanked them graciously and it stuck in my head what a kind gesture it was. Headed south and pulled in to the McD's in Sheridan because the Mrs wanted one of those egg muffin things so we decided to go inside. The place was staffed with the most unruly, unbathed and miserable people I had ever seen at a McDonalds. Taking a look around , the customers were pretty much the same as the staff. The lady at the till saw the look on my face (although I had not said a thing) and told me I should have gone through the drive thru, all tourists take the drive thru. We left without ordering. With the rest of the drive through that corner of Wyoming it seemed that everybody with a state plate was pissed off. Pulled in to Rapid City and the attitude of everybody seemed to mirror those of Montana, friendly and hospitable. Not so with Wyoming. Are Wyoming folks pissed off all the time ? |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 2:02:20 AM EDT
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If you want to be a millionaire in Montana, you better show up with two million.
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Posted: 4/28/2016 3:11:43 AM EDT
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I bet this thread turns a few people off about living out here. If you are not in an industry that has a lot of job security, it can be super rough.
Housing is interesting. You can get some cheap houses in town but if you want something in the county, there's a sweet spot of like 300k-400k. My wife and I have our house paid off and are looking to move to something bigger. There really isn't anything between dirt cheap and crappy and out of our range. But then again, our little corner of the state relies so much on tourism that it makes it pretty hard to find something to do in the off season. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 4:04:13 AM EDT
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I would like to visit, during the summer, but I have no desire to live where it's always cold.
I think I'm going to end up on the gulf coast eventually. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 4:12:35 AM EDT
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I would like to visit, during the summer, but I have no desire to live where it's always cold. I think I'm going to end up on the gulf coast eventually. Summer sucks. It can be some combination of: -balls hot -hail-thunderstorms -windstorms -wildfires -surprise blizzard It was in the 100s for a 3-4 weeks last year here and up into Cheyenne. Gulf Coast is God's Country. Anywhere between Tallahassee and NOLA there are places you can live like a king for not too much money. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 4:19:03 AM EDT
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I lived in Wyoming for ~5 years. I really, really, really love the state. I'd live there now if I could, but the very things that make it so awesome, are some of the same things that make it nigh impossible for somebody in my profession to live there. There just isn't enough opportunity. Ditto for Montana. I lived in Missoula for 8-9 years back in the 90's. Job market is pretty poor out there for many fields. These days I am not even sure I would want to live out there year round. Back than I was in my 20's and the winters were an adventure for me. Cross country skiing, a little (but not much) winter camping thrown in, as well as tooling around on my mt. bike in the snow covered streets.. These days I am not so sure I would think so highly of the winter time there. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 5:29:09 AM EDT
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I'll never leave this,
I figure when the govt screws us all and the collapse happens, Wyoming will be a good sanctuary. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 5:32:27 AM EDT
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I'm looking at Montana.
Been living in Kommiefornia East (Nevada) for too long. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 5:35:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2016 5:42:29 AM EDT
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Flyfishing Sunburst lake in the Bob Marshall Wilderness.
Hiking the Northfork of the Flathead, Memorial Day Weekend 2010'ish 
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Posted: 4/28/2016 6:00:45 AM EDT
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Neither. People are rude, land is expensive and hard to come by, very few luxuries when living in a city, slow internet, bad cell phone reception, hunting is vastly over-rated, crime is under-rated, jobs are scarce, and 90% of both states is flat badlands no different than New Mexico or Nevada. As for the 10%, all those fancy pictures you see are merely that...pictures. Most of them photoshopped to enhance colors and "beauty". None of it actually looks like that. It's rugged mountains. Why in the world anyone would move there is beyond me. Winters are miserably cold, summers are garbage, fires are rampant, and you have to deal with all the nimrods that fall into the trap of believing it's pretty...or something. Take my advice - to the beach. There's no where good in Montana or Wyoming. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. This
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Posted: 4/28/2016 6:02:28 AM EDT
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Neither. People are rude, land is expensive and hard to come by, very few luxuries when living in a city, slow internet, bad cell phone reception, hunting is vastly over-rated, crime is under-rated, jobs are scarce, and 90% of both states is flat badlands no different than New Mexico or Nevada. As for the 10%, all those fancy pictures you see are merely that...pictures. Most of them photoshopped to enhance colors and "beauty". None of it actually looks like that. It's rugged mountains. Why in the world anyone would move there is beyond me. Winters are miserably cold, summers are garbage, fires are rampant, and you have to deal with all the nimrods that fall into the trap of believing it's pretty...or something. Take my advice - to the beach. There's no where good in Montana or Wyoming. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. This
Wyomongers and Montanians don't want their states turning into Coloradostan so they say it sucks there. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 6:37:48 AM EDT
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This is WY elk hunting nowadays. The wolves have chased them into the sagebrush desert. Just barren and fucking cold. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wyoming is great. Although all the pictures you see are pretty much from one region. I've lived here 10 years so far. I have 10 more years until I can retire. I'd like to move south and by the ocean. I'm sick of cold and snow. The wind gusts around here can reach 100+ mph. This is WY elk hunting nowadays. The wolves have chased them into the sagebrush desert. Just barren and fucking cold. Yep. Visited my brother at his place out of Gillette. Just stepping outside you take a gamble with death. Mud room door on his shanty has seven steel hinges to survive the arctic blast before you go get to the snow cat. Then you have to death grip the jam to survey for wolves and cougars and shit to make a run for it. You dare not venture out after dark. he told me a shitload of Californians die there every month because they just don't understand the dangers. The only folks that survive there for more than one winter are crazy mother fuckers. My brother moved there eight years ago and only survives because he's a crazy fucker too. he has a great job though. Greeter at the only Walmart within 400 miles. One drawback is that with that kind of affluence, all the locals steal his stuff if not locked down. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 6:41:06 AM EDT
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You kind of sound like someone that doesn't have the testicular fortitude to live in Montana, no offense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Neither. People are rude, land is expensive and hard to come by, very few luxuries when living in a city, slow internet, bad cell phone reception, hunting is vastly over-rated, crime is under-rated, jobs are scarce, and 90% of both states is flat badlands no different than New Mexico or Nevada. As for the 10%, all those fancy pictures you see are merely that...pictures. Most of them photoshopped to enhance colors and "beauty". None of it actually looks like that. It's rugged mountains. Why in the world anyone would move there is beyond me. Winters are miserably cold, summers are garbage, fires are rampant, and you have to deal with all the nimrods that fall into the trap of believing it's pretty...or something. Take my advice - to the beach. There's no where good in Montana or Wyoming. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. Other than his last sentence and his percentage of "flat badlands", I mostly agree with him. He's right about the picture part, shit just look at Google Earth, not huge amount of green in those Sat photos, yet every picture shows there green mountain peaks etc. I'm not agreeing on the Photoshop part, just they cherry pick the pictures/parts of the State. My ex said she was shocked by the lack of old growth trees in MT, she actually preferred WY. My favorite was Flat Head lake/Valley, but I was told that because of the Lake, the winter sky is very gloomy and not clear. I know that after about two weeks, if I don't see some blue sky and Sun, we all seem the get mildly depressed. People up there seem to drink pretty hard too. I have an ex who moved up there for a guy, she was a city girl, scared of bugs, etc... She seems to be doing okay, but he has a fairly good paying job and she's working two jobs. People can read or hear all they want about a place, until they have made an attempt to live there, you never know. Everyone is different. I have a friend who misses Pittsburg winters, I think she's nuts lol. You kind of sound like someone that doesn't have the testicular fortitude to live in Montana, no offense. You don't know me or my testicular fortitude... If I could make the same wage in MT and have the same quality of life, I'd likely move there and enjoy all it has to offer. However, I live on the Gulf Coast and we do like our blue sky and sunshine. I have friends who live in the States mentioned in this thread, many of their posts on FB don't have a whole lot of blue sky and sunshine in them... Maybe that's why they have the #1 and #2 highest suicide rates  .
SAD is a real thing... Hell, I know people who live in New England and turn into raging drunks during the winter. I still think WY and MT are very beautiful, WA and OR even more so. I wouldn't turn down any of the four. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 6:53:15 AM EDT
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May? That's funny, winter isn't over until June at the earliest. Wyoming is 10 months of winter and 2 months of Spring/Summer. September comes and I expect snow. I make sure to cut my firewood in August because I may not get any other chances to get up in the mountains and cut it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm guessing the pics of scenery on the internet only show the good parts. A large part of Wyoming is a barren waste land, not a tree for miles, with wind that never stops blowing. Seriously. The other part is owned by the Jackson billionaires. Truth. I lived in WY during the time when the Billionaires were displacing the Millionaires. There are two classes in WY. Servant class and Elite. What group do you fit into OP? And then there are winters. Yikes. They start in August.....although it can and does snow year round. Winter is pretty much over by May though so there is that. 
May? That's funny, winter isn't over until June at the earliest. Wyoming is 10 months of winter and 2 months of Spring/Summer. September comes and I expect snow. I make sure to cut my firewood in August because I may not get any other chances to get up in the mountains and cut it. Yeah, I lived in a valley-(Elevation 6200 feet) and the snow was generally off the ground by May. Generally. 
That Spring/Summer was what we called "tourist season". 
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Posted: 4/28/2016 7:01:23 AM EDT
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I forgot to mention housing.
In the town that I lived and worked in if your business employed more than X # of people (30?) you were required to provide and allowance for or actual places they called "affordable housing". "Affordable Housing" when I lived there was like 800ft2 and $300k Socialists are some of the wealthiest people on the planet and they don't want you living among them. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 7:02:58 AM EDT
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I forgot to mention housing. In the town that I lived and worked in if your business employed more than X # of people (30?) you were required to provide and allowance for or actual places they called "affordable housing". "Affordable Housing" when I lived there was like 800ft2 and $300k Socialists are some of the wealthiest people on the planet and they don't want you living among them. Talking about Jackson Butthole? That's like the wealthiest zip code in the universe, isn't it? It makes the pretentious asshole mountain resort towns of CO look like Albania
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Posted: 4/28/2016 7:03:14 AM EDT
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I would like to visit, during the summer, but I have no desire to live where it's always cold. I think I'm going to end up on the gulf coast eventually. The highest temp I saw on my own thermometer was 117F....and humidity was less than 10%. Not unusual at all to see temps in high 90's,low 100's. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 7:06:03 AM EDT
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WY or MT are the only 2 on my list for final move-to states in the near future
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Posted: 4/28/2016 7:06:46 AM EDT
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Talking about Jackson Butthole? That's like the wealthiest zip code in the universe, isn't it? It makes the pretentious asshole mountain resort towns of CO look like Albania Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I forgot to mention housing. In the town that I lived and worked in if your business employed more than X # of people (30?) you were required to provide and allowance for or actual places they called "affordable housing". "Affordable Housing" when I lived there was like 800ft2 and $300k Socialists are some of the wealthiest people on the planet and they don't want you living among them. Talking about Jackson Butthole? That's like the wealthiest zip code in the universe, isn't it? It makes the pretentious asshole mountain resort towns of CO look like Albania
They are still cheap fuckers. Fly over to Sun Valley to fuel their jets cause the prices are lower. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 7:20:53 AM EDT
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Neither. People are rude, land is expensive and hard to come by, very few luxuries when living in a city, slow internet, bad cell phone reception, hunting is vastly over-rated, crime is under-rated, jobs are scarce, and 90% of both states is flat badlands no different than New Mexico or Nevada. As for the 10%, all those fancy pictures you see are merely that...pictures. Most of them photoshopped to enhance colors and "beauty". None of it actually looks like that. It's rugged mountains. Why in the world anyone would move there is beyond me. Winters are miserably cold, summers are garbage, fires are rampant, and you have to deal with all the nimrods that fall into the trap of believing it's pretty...or something. Take my advice - to the beach. There's no where good in Montana or Wyoming. Lol 90% of Nevada is flat badlands? Nevada is the most mountainous state, 314 named mountain ranges. Nevada also is mostly BLM land that hunters, atv riders, and any outdoor enthusiast can use, unlike MT, NM, or WY. Just saying people give Nevada a bad rap without living there, and if it wasn't for all of the fucking CA transplants from back in the housing bubble it would be the perfect state. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 7:27:40 AM EDT
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the pioneer mountains. the beaverhead. big hole. gates of the mountains. glacier. flathead. 3-7-77. we win. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cody Firearms Museum. What does Montana have? the pioneer mountains. the beaverhead. big hole. gates of the mountains. glacier. flathead. 3-7-77. we win. Exactly, Montana is the best state for people to move to. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 8:14:58 AM EDT
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Wyomings economy is going down the shitter.
We are seriously on the cusp of disaster. Marathon sold off all its holdings here this month. So many of my buddies worked for them, and now their future is in question.  The largest employers in my town(hospital and Community College) are all getting ready for serious cuts, including jobs. We are seriously fucked.....we just have a few breaths left till the last gasp.
The coal mines are going out of buisness. Gillette is going to go through a huge "bust". The Facebook for sale pages are full of big boy toys that are getting sold off. All that and housing prices are still stupid here.  All the houses on my street that went up for sale sold off within a few days posting and for prices that make you go...
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Posted: 4/28/2016 8:19:58 AM EDT
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I have lived all over, including MT. I have come to this conclusion, do not move to a place based on it's perceived beauty!
The people make or break a place, if there was a map that showed the density of assholes in an area, I'd have it blown up into a poster and laminated and hung on my wall as a reminder of where not to go. I have seen alot and done alot and you can be in the most decrepit desolate place on earth, but if the people are right, every day would be a good day and the sun would always shine brightly. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 8:53:27 AM EDT
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...Annnnnnnnnnd it's snowing again this morning. The wind is blowing, and the flakes are coming down.....again.
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Posted: 4/28/2016 8:58:51 AM EDT
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...Annnnnnnnnnd it's snowing again this morning. The wind is blowing, and the flakes are coming down.....again. Awesome |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 9:28:55 AM EDT
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Wyomings economy is going down the shitter.
We are seriously on the cusp of disaster. Marathon sold off all its holdings here this month. So many of my buddies worked for them, and now their future is in question. The largest employers in my town(hospital and Community College) are all getting ready for serious cuts, including jobs. We are seriously fucked.....we just have a few breaths left till the last gasp.
The coal mines are going out of buisness. Gillette is going to go through a huge "bust". The Facebook for sale pages are full of big boy toys that are getting sold off. All that and housing prices are still stupid here. All the houses on my street that went up for sale sold off within a few days posting and for prices that make you go...
Sorry to hear it. Cattle prices are down but still fine for the ranchers (my family has a ranch near Douglas). |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 9:39:54 AM EDT
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Man!
I was looking for someplace to retire faaar away from people, maybe get a trailer home or do one of those shipping container deals but, yeah, land prices are crazy!
Guess you gotta pay for that view of God's Country.
LOL There are 100 acres of horse country in TX for $54k+ versus 3 acres in MT for $250k...WTF? 
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Posted: 4/28/2016 9:49:11 AM EDT
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Man! I was looking for someplace to retire faaar away from people, maybe get a trailer home or do one of those shipping container deals but, yeah, land prices are crazy!
Guess you gotta pay for that view of God's Country.
LOL There are 100 acres of horse country in TX for $54k+ versus 3 acres in MT for $250k...WTF?
You need to avoid pretty country. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 10:00:05 AM EDT
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Yep, it's snowing here in central Montana, about and inch on the ground. I love it!
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Posted: 4/28/2016 10:02:59 AM EDT
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Zip Code 99156 is what you seek for a good compromise.
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Posted: 4/28/2016 10:25:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to hear it. Cattle prices are down but still fine for the ranchers (my family has a ranch near Douglas). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wyomings economy is going down the shitter. We are seriously on the cusp of disaster. Marathon sold off all its holdings here this month. So many of my buddies worked for them, and now their future is in question. The largest employers in my town(hospital and Community College) are all getting ready for serious cuts, including jobs. We are seriously fucked.....we just have a few breaths left till the last gasp.The coal mines are going out of buisness. Gillette is going to go through a huge "bust". The Facebook for sale pages are full of big boy toys that are getting sold off. All that and housing prices are still stupid here. All the houses on my street that went up for sale sold off within a few days posting and for prices that make you go...Sorry to hear it. Cattle prices are down but still fine for the ranchers (my family has a ranch near Douglas). Kinda sorta. My dad and son sold their calves about a month ago and got about 60% of what they got last year. A 40% cut would hurt most people. |
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Posted: 4/28/2016 10:30:56 AM EDT
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Man! I was looking for someplace to retire faaar away from people, maybe get a trailer home or do one of those shipping container deals but, yeah, land prices are crazy!
Guess you gotta pay for that view of God's Country.
LOL There are 100 acres of horse country in TX for $54k+ versus 3 acres in MT for $250k...WTF?
You need to avoid pretty country. 
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Posted: 4/28/2016 5:47:14 PM EDT
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Yep, it's snowing here in central Montana, about and inch on the ground. I love it! couple of years ago, i left DFW in early june, when the temp was in the low 90s and the girls were all in bikinis. less than 24 hours later, it was dumping snow on me in fort bridger. snowed for 3 days in SW MT. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 3:36:31 AM EDT
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Neither. People are rude, land is expensive and hard to come by, very few luxuries when living in a city, slow internet, bad cell phone reception, hunting is vastly over-rated, crime is under-rated, jobs are scarce, and 90% of both states is flat badlands no different than New Mexico or Nevada. As for the 10%, all those fancy pictures you see are merely that...pictures. Most of them photoshopped to enhance colors and "beauty". None of it actually looks like that. It's rugged mountains. Why in the world anyone would move there is beyond me. Winters are miserably cold, summers are garbage, fires are rampant, and you have to deal with all the nimrods that fall into the trap of believing it's pretty...or something. Take my advice - to the beach. There's no where good in Montana or Wyoming. I have a LEO buddy who lives in Southwest Montana and he has no complaints. He fishes, hunts, and has a nice little spread. He says that the winters are not that harsh and he wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I can't remember what town he lives in. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 3:57:16 AM EDT
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MT is closed until we get a handle on all the political dissidents in Missoula and Bozeman and all the worthless free booting assholes in Billings.
This state needs a course correction. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 5:48:12 AM EDT
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I mean do elk make meth or beat the shit out of each other on a Friday night and call the cops? I think not. I guess that means you wont get many clients in either state. In the infamous words of Extorris, Oh Well.... He's done the "in" thing forever and I thought he started the "oh well" meme thing here, but I will concede that maybe since he moved south he's a plagiarist and stole...I mean BORROWED..someone elses pet phrase..... |
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