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Posted: 4/21/2016 3:26:03 PM EDT
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I built that kit! I was also shocked that the F117 didn't look like that. Call it pre-pubescent naivety. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Awesome. Thank you for your service. My uncle (Mom's brother) was the commander of the 4450th Tactical Squadron (the first operational squadron) back in the mid 80's when they were still in test phase. The family lived in Alamagordo NM, and he was flown out on Sunday night, usually came home Thursday night or Friday morning. Obviously at that time it was "If I tell you I have to kill you:" My uncle didn't like the F117. He flew 105's in Nam, A7's in the late 70's, and F16's in the early 80's. I don't remember too much specifically, he just said it wasn't fun to fly. A couple of his friends were killed during testing back in the 80's. My grandfather/ his dad was a lifetime pilot, ran a primary flight school for most of WW2, then flew B29's off of Tinian late the war. He tried to get into fighters for the entire war but they kept telling him they needed him to run the school, and then when they finally shut down the school they put him flying B29's. Grandad and I used to build model planes when I was a kid and in the mid 80's Testors had an F19 Stealth fighter model that we put together. F19 My grandad showed it to my uncle and raised an eyebrow. My uncle just smirked. I built that kit! I was also shocked that the F117 didn't look like that. Call it pre-pubescent naivety. Lockheed and Northrop employees kept the stores stripped of that model, which did nothing but make the public believe they knew something, too. Hilarious misdirection. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 3:27:32 PM EDT
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I used to play that incessantly, first computer game I ever bought. I remember how long it would take. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<a href="http://s4.photobucket.com/user/phuzzygnu/media/f19stlth_zpsjx1wdehj.png.html" target="_blank">http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/phuzzygnu/f19stlth_zpsjx1wdehj.png</a> I used to play that incessantly, first computer game I ever bought. I remember how long it would take. Several of us played it at work. I think there was a fast forward to get to the bombing. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 3:30:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2016 3:30:28 PM EDT
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This ties into the Red Storm Rising thread I did. The F-117 was strikingly similar to the "Frisbee" stealth jet in the book, written in 1986. Clancy must had had some tipper or picked up on something.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 3:31:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy that designed/managed the program also did a few other you may have heard of. Kelly Johnson was involved with the F-117, P-38, Constellation, U-2, SR-71, et all. The story of the SR-71 is really interesting. We built a plane to spy on the Russians....out of Russian titanium.  I sincerely hope we found someone to take his place.  |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 3:36:04 PM EDT
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Obviously you have never heard an F-105 with its burner at max power Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Loud as fuck. Obviously you have never heard an F-105 with its burner at max power Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And water Injection.......
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Posted: 4/21/2016 3:38:15 PM EDT
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Several of us played it at work. I think there was a fast forward to get to the bombing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<a href="http://s4.photobucket.com/user/phuzzygnu/media/f19stlth_zpsjx1wdehj.png.html" target="_blank">http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/phuzzygnu/f19stlth_zpsjx1wdehj.png</a> I used to play that incessantly, first computer game I ever bought. I remember how long it would take. Several of us played it at work. I think there was a fast forward to get to the bombing. Available on Steam for $6.99, I just found out. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 3:47:20 PM EDT
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Do people make the same gripe about the 'vark? It's an F designation not used as a fighter at all, afaik. It got an air to air kill in Desert Storm by getting an Iraqi pilot to dig himself a whole in the desert. I wonder how many guys on the ground would have rather gone into Kuwait in '91 without the air campaign that was literally lead by the 117. I get inter-service rivalry. I get budget griping. But let's not be revisionist faggots. The 117 was a huge success and saved the lives of American soldiers and Marines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No idea why it was given a Fighter designation. Anyone? Because Air Force Do people make the same gripe about the 'vark? It's an F designation not used as a fighter at all, afaik. It got an air to air kill in Desert Storm by getting an Iraqi pilot to dig himself a whole in the desert. I wonder how many guys on the ground would have rather gone into Kuwait in '91 without the air campaign that was literally lead by the 117. I get inter-service rivalry. I get budget griping. But let's not be revisionist faggots. The 117 was a huge success and saved the lives of American soldiers and Marines. The F-111's initial design was a multi-role fighter. How was my post being a "revisionist faggot"? Do you know what revisionist means? And, if you're going to talk about revisionism, the ODS air campaign was actually led (as in the first strike conducted) by AH-64s. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 3:51:22 PM EDT
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This ties into the Red Storm Rising thread I did. The F-117 was strikingly similar to the "Frisbee" stealth jet in the book, written in 1986. Clancy must had had some tipper or picked up on something. IIRC, he based that off the F-19 fake model. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 4:00:36 PM EDT
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IIRC, he based that off the F-19 fake model. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This ties into the Red Storm Rising thread I did. The F-117 was strikingly similar to the "Frisbee" stealth jet in the book, written in 1986. Clancy must had had some tipper or picked up on something. IIRC, he based that off the F-19 fake model. This. I'm pretty sure he even refers to it as an F19. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 4:00:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Too bad they had to drain the pool. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 4:14:45 PM EDT
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The sequel to F-19 is on Gog for those interested. No Steam required.
You can generally find F-19 on most abandoned game sites for free. You just need dosbox to run it. https://www.gog.com/game/f117a_nighthawk_stealth_fighter_20 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/21/2016 4:17:21 PM EDT
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Depends on factors. Yes under perfect conditions stealth can be detected, tho with limited range. There are however solar and weather disturbances, like sunrise and sunset, storms, lightening...ect that interfere with doppler tracking stealth. So at sunrise and sunset your expensive, fixed doppler radar sight is probably not the place to be hanging out at in time of war. High sea's cause problems too so attacking stealth aircraft riding low over water can ruin your day. Add to that the fact that long range and stand off weapons, HARM weapons, other network attacking methods and weapons...ect have made this type of weather radar a poor choice for military applications. As far as I know only Australia has spent heavily on this stuff and even that cause they wanted a better way to track illegal ships operating off their coastlines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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High Definition doppler weather radar can detect the air turbulence generated by air craft. Depends on factors. Yes under perfect conditions stealth can be detected, tho with limited range. There are however solar and weather disturbances, like sunrise and sunset, storms, lightening...ect that interfere with doppler tracking stealth. So at sunrise and sunset your expensive, fixed doppler radar sight is probably not the place to be hanging out at in time of war. High sea's cause problems too so attacking stealth aircraft riding low over water can ruin your day. Add to that the fact that long range and stand off weapons, HARM weapons, other network attacking methods and weapons...ect have made this type of weather radar a poor choice for military applications. As far as I know only Australia has spent heavily on this stuff and even that cause they wanted a better way to track illegal ships operating off their coastlines. Use a UHF radar and they are easy to see every time. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 4:47:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was thinking the same. What an amazing achievement. Are there any astronauts on here? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. I was thinking the same. What an amazing achievement. Are there any astronauts on here? There's a U-2 pilot here who similarly outed himself with some sweet BTDT pictures.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 4:54:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best brag post ever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 4:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. The same air show I saw the F-117 fly had a B-1 do a demo. That fucker at full 'burner for takeoff was insane. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Loud as fuck. Obviously you have never heard an F-105 with its burner at max power Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Add F4's and/or F111's at 100%...! Nope. The same air show I saw the F-117 fly had a B-1 do a demo. That fucker at full 'burner for takeoff was insane. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:02:34 PM EDT
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Probably, though the dude that posted a selfie taken while flying a U-2 is pretty close. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:07:05 PM EDT
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No idea why it was given a Fighter designation. Anyone? Follow the trail. 
It ties in with the F-20 Tigershark, the F-19 designation, the missing F-11 designation and the "official" designations of the Soviet aircraft the USAF operated. Start here. http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/nonstandard-mds.html |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:08:10 PM EDT
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I like how most Janes combat sims had the F-117 armed with guns and Air to Air missiles
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:12:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Powerstroke1999 is on here but is a 13er and doesnt post. I work with him and he was Vipers I think. Bone, what did you fly???? I think FlyingGorilla was Rhinos but cant recall exactly Valerhu used to post all the time and was a Squid Hornet driver. Havent seen him in a long time. Anyone who flew the Stink bug usually started out in some other fighter and usually came from a base that was closed down from either Vipers, Eagles, Vaarks or Hogs. So ScottS should have flown something before the bug. I had the opportunity after MyrtleBeach shut down but did not want that mission. I held out for the Viper and got lucky. For instance, when they pulled the Vaarks out of Cannon, lots of those guys transitioned to the 117. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:14:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Vallahu (i'm spelling it way wrong) flew F/A-18's |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:17:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vallahu (i'm spelling it way wrong) flew F/A-18's Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Vallahu (i'm spelling it way wrong) flew F/A-18's |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:26:03 PM EDT
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So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Can I get credit for that, or is this one of those "One prize per contestant" things? 
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:29:35 PM EDT
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Rodent was also an F-4 pilot.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:37:06 PM EDT
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Can I get credit for that, or is this one of those "One prize per contestant" things? http://i46.tinypic.com/15wm7mx.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Can I get credit for that, or is this one of those "One prize per contestant" things? http://i46.tinypic.com/15wm7mx.jpg Lol 
Ok, updated. F-15 aka Mach A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16 F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS F-4 aka Rodent U-2 not sure screen name F-18 aka Vallerhu F-16 aka Powerstroke1999 AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:44:33 PM EDT
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The F-111's initial design was a multi-role fighter. How was my post being a "revisionist faggot"? Do you know what revisionist means? And, if you're going to talk about revisionism, the ODS air campaign was actually led (as in the first strike conducted) by MH53J PAVELOW3E. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No idea why it was given a Fighter designation. Anyone? Because Air Force Do people make the same gripe about the 'vark? It's an F designation not used as a fighter at all, afaik. It got an air to air kill in Desert Storm by getting an Iraqi pilot to dig himself a whole in the desert. I wonder how many guys on the ground would have rather gone into Kuwait in '91 without the air campaign that was literally lead by the 117. I get inter-service rivalry. I get budget griping. But let's not be revisionist faggots. The 117 was a huge success and saved the lives of American soldiers and Marines. The F-111's initial design was a multi-role fighter. How was my post being a "revisionist faggot"? Do you know what revisionist means? And, if you're going to talk about revisionism, the ODS air campaign was actually led (as in the first strike conducted) by MH53J PAVELOW3E. FIFY |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:48:34 PM EDT
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Use a UHF radar and they are easy to see every time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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High Definition doppler weather radar can detect the air turbulence generated by air craft. Depends on factors. Yes under perfect conditions stealth can be detected, tho with limited range. There are however solar and weather disturbances, like sunrise and sunset, storms, lightening...ect that interfere with doppler tracking stealth. So at sunrise and sunset your expensive, fixed doppler radar sight is probably not the place to be hanging out at in time of war. High sea's cause problems too so attacking stealth aircraft riding low over water can ruin your day. Add to that the fact that long range and stand off weapons, HARM weapons, other network attacking methods and weapons...ect have made this type of weather radar a poor choice for military applications. As far as I know only Australia has spent heavily on this stuff and even that cause they wanted a better way to track illegal ships operating off their coastlines. Use a UHF radar and they are easy to see every time. Which missile has a B-band seeker? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:48:59 PM EDT
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This thread is awesome. Born in 84', I was obsessed with F117. Loved playing the NES game. I remember having little die-cast toys of the F117 and B1. Dad stepped on the B1 with his barefoot once. It blended in perfect with shag carpet. I was in much trouble
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:53:32 PM EDT
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My favorite aircraft. It's so fucking cool.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:59:30 PM EDT
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My understanding was that the shoot-down was due to some lazy planning and flying the same flight path night after night giving the A-A radar operator night after night to tune his radar to figure out what kind of return it was giving then fire at it. My understanding is that it involved a Russian radar array at an airbase over there. We dropped a JDAM on the bunker opening where the command and control operations were for the array right after the shoot down, and the Russians flew Speznaz in immediately and took over the airfield. They didn't even bring food and water-every piece of that radar array was loaded onto planes and sent back to Russia. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:05:33 PM EDT
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No idea why it was given a Fighter designation. Anyone? IIRC! It was because ther didn't want shit hot pilots to thumb their nose at a small bomb truck that couldn't even break the sound barrier. It you tell a guy flying F16's that your offering the opportunity to fly an airplane that only carries two bombs, can't fight back, and is slow as fuck, he's going to pass. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:10:32 PM EDT
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It's the "buy whatever the fuck cool stuff you want to for the flying club" doctrine. We spent billions to develop new technology, then wasted it on Saddam and Kosovo. Epic boondoggle. Only slightly more useful than women in the infantry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was a very interesting doctrinal procurement model. It's the "buy whatever the fuck cool stuff you want to for the flying club" doctrine. We spent billions to develop new technology, then wasted it on Saddam and Kosovo. Epic boondoggle. Only slightly more useful than women in the infantry. It wasn't a waste at all. Seeing us toy with the world's seventh largest army and steamroll them with kid gloves was a major factor in the collapse of the Soviet Union. They realized that they could never spend themselves into Parity with us militarily. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:15:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I get credit for that, or is this one of those "One prize per contestant" things? http://i46.tinypic.com/15wm7mx.jpg |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:28:40 PM EDT
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The rotor head is CFIII or something close to that. Powerstroke1999 is on here but is a 13er and doesnt post. I work with him and he was Vipers I think. Bone, what did you fly???? I think FlyingGorilla was Rhinos but cant recall exactly Valerhu used to post all the time and was a Squid Hornet driver. Havent seen him in a long time. Anyone who flew the Stink bug usually started out in some other fighter and usually came from a base that was closed down from either Vipers, Eagles, Vaarks or Hogs. So ScottS should have flown something before the bug. I had the opportunity after MyrtleBeach shut down but did not want that mission. I held out for the Viper and got lucky. For instance, when they pulled the Vaarks out of Cannon, lots of those guys transitioned to the 117. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Powerstroke1999 is on here but is a 13er and doesnt post. I work with him and he was Vipers I think. Bone, what did you fly???? I think FlyingGorilla was Rhinos but cant recall exactly Valerhu used to post all the time and was a Squid Hornet driver. Havent seen him in a long time. Anyone who flew the Stink bug usually started out in some other fighter and usually came from a base that was closed down from either Vipers, Eagles, Vaarks or Hogs. So ScottS should have flown something before the bug. I had the opportunity after MyrtleBeach shut down but did not want that mission. I held out for the Viper and got lucky. For instance, when they pulled the Vaarks out of Cannon, lots of those guys transitioned to the 117. Rodent flew F4's for the Marines, |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:30:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I get credit for that, or is this one of those "One prize per contestant" things? http://i46.tinypic.com/15wm7mx.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Can I get credit for that, or is this one of those "One prize per contestant" things? http://i46.tinypic.com/15wm7mx.jpg |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:30:59 PM EDT
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It's the "buy whatever the fuck cool stuff you want to for the flying club" doctrine. We spent billions to develop new technology, then wasted it on Saddam and Kosovo. Epic boondoggle. Only slightly more useful than women in the infantry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was a very interesting doctrinal procurement model. It's the "buy whatever the fuck cool stuff you want to for the flying club" doctrine. We spent billions to develop new technology, then wasted it on Saddam and Kosovo. Epic boondoggle. Only slightly more useful than women in the infantry. Wasted on Panama, not on Iraq or Kosovo. Unlike the US, eastern bloc armies put high quality folks in ADA |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:34:13 PM EDT
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No idea why it was given a Fighter designation. Anyone? Because Air Force Do people make the same gripe about the 'vark? It's an F designation not used as a fighter at all, afaik. It got an air to air kill in Desert Storm by getting an Iraqi pilot to dig himself a whole in the desert. I wonder how many guys on the ground would have rather gone into Kuwait in '91 without the air campaign that was literally lead by the 117. I get inter-service rivalry. I get budget griping. But let's not be revisionist faggots. The 117 was a huge success and saved the lives of American soldiers and Marines. The F-111's initial design was a multi-role fighter. How was my post being a "revisionist faggot"? Do you know what revisionist means? And, if you're going to talk about revisionism, the ODS air campaign was actually led (as in the first strike conducted) by MH53J PAVELOW3E. FIFY You and H46Driver are correct. A stupid thing for me to have forgotten. In a real sense, though, the 117 did a lot of heavy lifting into Baghdad and was an absolute success as a program. Stating otherwise because it was a maintenance hog (like there's a combat aircraft that isn't????) or was too expensive is revisionist. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:45:16 PM EDT
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You and H46Driver are correct. A stupid thing for me to have forgotten. In a real sense, though, the 117 did a lot of heavy lifting into Baghdad and was an absolute success as a program. Stating otherwise because it was a maintenance hog (like there's a combat aircraft that isn't????) or was too expensive is revisionist. Saying that the F-117 was too expensive, given what its intended purpose, taking out important Warsaw Pact IADS nodes to allow follow on strikes, is not just revisionist; it's retarded. The F-117 should have been a big money saver because it led to the cancellation of the B-1, which was supposed to have the job of penetrating WP IADS and would have suffered extreme attrition. It's not the F-117 program's fault that Reagan campaign-promised himself into a corner on the issue and restarted the flying turd that was the B-1A. Lessons learned from the F-117 program have informed every fighter program and many weapons programs since. I don't know what it cost, but it was worth it. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:11:56 PM EDT
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I worked on the F117s at the Tonopah Test Range back in 1989. Fun times! At night, on a moonless night, that was the darkest place in the world.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:13:27 PM EDT
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The rotor head is CFIII or something close to that. Powerstroke1999 is on here but is a 13er and doesnt post. I work with him and he was Vipers I think. Bone, what did you fly???? I think FlyingGorilla was Rhinos but cant recall exactly Valerhu used to post all the time and was a Squid Hornet driver. Havent seen him in a long time. Anyone who flew the Stink bug usually started out in some other fighter and usually came from a base that was closed down from either Vipers, Eagles, Vaarks or Hogs. So ScottS should have flown something before the bug. I had the opportunity after MyrtleBeach shut down but did not want that mission. I held out for the Viper and got lucky. For instance, when they pulled the Vaarks out of Cannon, lots of those guys transitioned to the 117. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Best brag post ever. So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of. F-15 aka Mach F-16 aka Bull F16 A-10 aka Bull F16 F-117 aka ScottS U-2 not sure screen name AH-1 aka Snake Driver CH-47 can't remember his screen name AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 can't remember his screen name I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot. Who did I miss? Powerstroke1999 is on here but is a 13er and doesnt post. I work with him and he was Vipers I think. Bone, what did you fly???? I think FlyingGorilla was Rhinos but cant recall exactly Valerhu used to post all the time and was a Squid Hornet driver. Havent seen him in a long time. Anyone who flew the Stink bug usually started out in some other fighter and usually came from a base that was closed down from either Vipers, Eagles, Vaarks or Hogs. So ScottS should have flown something before the bug. I had the opportunity after MyrtleBeach shut down but did not want that mission. I held out for the Viper and got lucky. For instance, when they pulled the Vaarks out of Cannon, lots of those guys transitioned to the 117. I think that the CH-46 Driver is posting in this thread.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:15:03 PM EDT
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I knew a guy who flew them as a test pilot in the 80s before they went public. I remember him saying that he would fly his A-7 from Pittsburgh out to wherever they would fly for a few weeks at a time. He did tell me a story about having to eject out of his A-7 once, and years after I lost contact with him, I found this Wiki article which documents the incident in which he ejected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Indianapolis_Ramada_Inn_A-7D_Corsair_II_crash I remember when that happened! For years I was afraid to stay at Ramada's when we'd go on family vacations! |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:15:08 PM EDT
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First desert storm air shooting was apaches to take out air defense radar. The only navigation apaches had at the time was a stopwatch, compass, and Doppler. Doppler and time/speed/distance are not pinpoint accurate when you are traveling such long distances through the desert so a 53 was used to navigate the flight of apaches because it had accurate navigation equipment. First flight of the f117 was done, as I understand, by a graduate of navy test pilot school, not AF test pilot school. The f117 shoot down involved modifying a common soviet targeting radar to operate outside of the parameters that the aircraft was designed around. Nothing is completely stealthy, but only stealthy to specific radar bands. What frequency ranges you design a plane to be stealthy in is a game of cat and mouse just like all electronic warfare. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:18:20 PM EDT
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Loud as fuck. Obviously you have never heard an F-105 with its burner at max power Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Or an F104.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:20:43 PM EDT
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Awesome. Thank you for your service. My uncle (Mom's brother) was the commander of the 4450th Tactical Squadron (the first operational squadron) back in the mid 80's when they were still in test phase. The family lived in Alamagordo NM, and he was flown out on Sunday night, usually came home Thursday night or Friday morning. Obviously at that time it was "If I tell you I have to kill you:" My uncle didn't like the F117. He flew 105's in Nam, A7's in the late 70's, and F16's in the early 80's. I don't remember too much specifically, he just said it wasn't fun to fly. A couple of his friends were killed during testing back in the 80's. My grandfather/ his dad was a lifetime pilot, ran a primary flight school for most of WW2, then flew B29's off of Tinian late the war. He tried to get into fighters for the entire war but they kept telling him they needed him to run the school, and then when they finally shut down the school they put him flying B29's. Grandad and I used to build model planes when I was a kid and in the mid 80's Testors had an F19 Stealth fighter model that we put together. F19 My grandad showed it to my uncle and raised an eyebrow. My uncle just smirked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg Awesome. Thank you for your service. My uncle (Mom's brother) was the commander of the 4450th Tactical Squadron (the first operational squadron) back in the mid 80's when they were still in test phase. The family lived in Alamagordo NM, and he was flown out on Sunday night, usually came home Thursday night or Friday morning. Obviously at that time it was "If I tell you I have to kill you:" My uncle didn't like the F117. He flew 105's in Nam, A7's in the late 70's, and F16's in the early 80's. I don't remember too much specifically, he just said it wasn't fun to fly. A couple of his friends were killed during testing back in the 80's. My grandfather/ his dad was a lifetime pilot, ran a primary flight school for most of WW2, then flew B29's off of Tinian late the war. He tried to get into fighters for the entire war but they kept telling him they needed him to run the school, and then when they finally shut down the school they put him flying B29's. Grandad and I used to build model planes when I was a kid and in the mid 80's Testors had an F19 Stealth fighter model that we put together. F19 My grandad showed it to my uncle and raised an eyebrow. My uncle just smirked. He smirked because of the disinformation campaign... He smirked because he COULDN'T LET YOU KNOW.. DUN DUN DUNNNNNN 
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:22:07 PM EDT
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Updated again.
F-15 aka Mach A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16 F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS F-4 aka Rodent U-2 not sure screen name F-18 aka Vallerhu F-16 aka Powerstroke1999 EF-111 aka Sparkvark AH-1 aka Snake Driver OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 aha H46Driver |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:34:02 PM EDT
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The design was based on an old outdated paper from a Russian Scientist that discussion the possibility of reflecting RADAR with specific geometries.
So the story goes, The scientists paper and ideas were not widely accepted, and kind of buried. One or some of our guys finds this obscure paper and is intrigued. Next thing you know, Hav-Blue (F-117) is born. We've come along way with RADAR absorption technology and no longer have to rely on angled and faceted geometries. That being said, look at some of the panels, interior weapons storage bay doors and other features of the F-22 and F-35 and you'll still see some use and adaptation of the angled and faceted geometries of the F-117 pioneer days. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:38:37 PM EDT
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then there was the fasteners left off one of the wings at the Paris Air Show?... it fell off.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/X2wYvr20nAg[/youtube] eta : in Maryland I mean.. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:50:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Updated again. F-15 aka Mach A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16 F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS F-4 aka Rodent U-2 not sure screen name F-18 aka Vallerhu F-16 aka Powerstroke1999 AH-1 aka Snake Driver OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII AH-64 can't remember his screen name UH-60 can't remember his screen name CH-46 aha H46Driver |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 7:52:07 PM EDT
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F-117A? Never heard of it. http://i46.tinypic.com/hw9wrd.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/986k4h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/2cne1z6.jpg You won the thread better than anyone ever has in arfcom history. |
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