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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 7:55:54 PM EDT
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From this thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/991962__ARCHIVED_THREAD____How_many_of_you_have_seen_a_F_117_for_realz_.html&page=3

The Association Of Old Crows had a meeting at NAS Whidbey in 1991, the star of the show was the F-117.

They parked it in the SAR hangar (I worked at SAR), closed the doors and posted USAF security guys around the building.

We had to put black paper over the windows that faced into the hangar bay.

After it had been there a couple of days the MSGT in charge of maintenance started letting us into the hangar to get a look at the plane.

That pissed the security guys off.

Got to look into the cockpit from a B4 stand, got to walk around it, got to see them bust the coating to replace an aileron actuator.

The only time we could not look in the hangar was when they repaired the coating.

Got to walk around an F-117 after pre-flight at Nellis AFB, did a cross-country to Nellis, ended up face down drunk in a bar the night before.

Met the pilot on the ramp, he asked us if we would mind standing fire watch while he refueled the plane.

After that we walked all around it, took some pictures.

Right before my buddy was done taking pictures the pilot came up and casually said "remember, no pictures" - right before USAF Security guys came up in their clown car and gave him a hard time.
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F-4 aka Rodent
U-2 not sure screen name
F-18 aka Vallerhu
F-16 aka Powerstroke1999
EF-111 aka Sparkvark
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
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Didn't CMJohnson fly F-16s?
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:02:03 PM EDT
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F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS
F-4 aka Rodent
U-2 not sure screen name
F-18 aka Vallerhu
F-16 aka Powerstroke1999
EF-111 aka Sparkvark
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 aha H46Driver


Didn't CMJohnson fly F-16s?


Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:05:13 PM EDT
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He flew the space shuttle to Macho Grande if I remember correctly...
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:12:53 PM EDT
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Seems.....familiar


Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:25:35 PM EDT
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Follow the trail.  
It ties in with the F-20 Tigershark, the F-19 designation, the missing F-11 designation and the "official" designations of the Soviet aircraft the USAF operated.

Start here.
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/nonstandard-mds.html
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Follow the trail.  
It ties in with the F-20 Tigershark, the F-19 designation, the missing F-11 designation and the "official" designations of the Soviet aircraft the USAF operated.

Start here.
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/nonstandard-mds.html


F-11 isn't missing; it just wasn't a very good aircraft.



Began life as the F11F under the old USN system, became F-11 when the tri-service system was created.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:40:58 PM EDT
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Nice!
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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:51:07 PM EDT
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It used mostly F-16 avionics, F-15 landing gear, F/A-18 engines, it was pretty much cobbled together from "fighter" parts, and it was the same size/shape as fighters of the day.  It really should have been an A-117 but when's the last time we built a pure A aircraft?
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:56:21 PM EDT
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I worked on them for four years in the early 90s (Avionics) when they had moved from Tonapah to Holloman.  Ask me anything.



Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:58:13 PM EDT
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The F-111's initial design was a multi-role fighter.  

How was my post being a "revisionist faggot"?  Do you know what revisionist means?

And, if you're going to talk about revisionism, the ODS air campaign was actually led (as in the first strike conducted) by AH-64s.


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Because Air Force


Do people make the same gripe about the 'vark?

It's an F designation not used as a fighter at all, afaik.  It got an air to air kill in Desert Storm by getting an Iraqi pilot to dig himself a whole in the desert.

I wonder how many guys on the ground would have rather gone into Kuwait in '91 without the air campaign that was literally lead by the 117.

I get inter-service rivalry. I get budget griping.  But let's not be revisionist faggots.  The 117 was a huge success and saved the lives of American soldiers and Marines.


The F-111's initial design was a multi-role fighter.  

How was my post being a "revisionist faggot"?  Do you know what revisionist means?

And, if you're going to talk about revisionism, the ODS air campaign was actually led (as in the first strike conducted) by AH-64s.




AH-64s, which were led by a MH-53, since they had no INS/GPS at the time.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:58:25 PM EDT
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My BIL was a coating tech for the 117.

He said they were maintenance nightmares. Things like after every flight, the forward antennas had to be adjusted perfectly and any coating damage had to be replaced with specific panels and certain adjacent panels depending on where they were damaged. I don't remember all the details.

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We called them "martians".  The ram was maintained by the MARS shop (Material Application and Removal Specialist).

There were no forward antennas that had to be adjusted.


Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:58:39 PM EDT
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It used mostly F-16 avionics, F-15 landing gear, F/A-18 engines, it was pretty much cobbled together from "fighter" parts
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It used mostly F-16 avionics, F-15 landing gear, F/A-18 engines, it was pretty much cobbled together from "fighter" parts


Except for any parts that would have given it an ait to air capability
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:59:39 PM EDT
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We called them "martians".  The ram was maintained by the MARS shop (Material Application and Removal Specialist).

There were no forward antennas that had to be adjusted.


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My BIL was a coating tech for the 117.

He said they were maintenance nightmares. Things like after every flight, the forward antennas had to be adjusted perfectly and any coating damage had to be replaced with specific panels and certain adjacent panels depending on where they were damaged. I don't remember all the details.

Evidently that was part of the huge operating cost.


We called them "martians".  The ram was maintained by the MARS shop (Material Application and Removal Specialist).

There were no forward antennas that had to be adjusted.




Maybe he's talking about the pitot probes.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:05:48 PM EDT
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After, too.

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:06:26 PM EDT
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I think Sparkvark flew F-111's. You might want to ask him because I'm not sure if he did or didn't.
 
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A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16
F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS
F-4 aka Rodent
U-2 not sure screen name
F-18 aka Vallerhu
F-16 aka Powerstroke1999
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 aha H46Driver
I think Sparkvark flew F-111's. You might want to ask him because I'm not sure if he did or didn't.
 


Specifically, I believe he flew the EF-111A Raven (aka "Sparkvark").
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:06:39 PM EDT
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After, too.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2zr2alu.jpg


Damn dude you've done it all.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:06:46 PM EDT
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We know how effective it was against Iraq, but how effective would it have been against actual Soviet targets in the 80's?  Also, what was the Soviet response when they learned of the plane, and what was their general opinion of the aircraft?
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:10:46 PM EDT
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My BIL was a coating tech for the 117.

He said they were maintenance nightmares. Things like after every flight, the forward antennas had to be adjusted perfectly and any coating damage had to be replaced with specific panels and certain adjacent panels depending on where they were damaged. I don't remember all the details.

Evidently that was part of the huge operating cost.


We called them "martians".  The ram was maintained by the MARS shop (Material Application and Removal Specialist).

There were no forward antennas that had to be adjusted.




Maybe he's talking about the pitot probes.


There was no adjusting of the probes either.

An interesting fact about the pitot probes; they appear to be about 10 inches long, but they are actually about 6 feet long.  They connect to a manifold accessed through a panel you crawled into near the gear.  They were very expensive and classified, due to their special shape.




Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:15:12 PM EDT
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The SR-71 was the first stealth plane
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:16:54 PM EDT
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F-15 aka Mach

A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16

F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS

F-4 aka Rodent

U-2 not sure screen name

F-18 aka Vallerhu

F-16 aka Powerstroke1999

AH-1 aka Snake Driver

OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII

AH-64 can't remember his screen name

UH-60 can't remember his screen name

CH-46 aha H46Driver
I think Sparkvark flew F-111's. You might want to ask him because I'm not sure if he did or didn't.

 




Specifically, I believe he flew the EF-111A Raven (aka "Sparkvark").
Knew I would get corrected. I wasn't sure if flew them or not.



 
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:17:50 PM EDT
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I believe this was taken in '94.  It was just some of the dayshift people we were able to get together for a squadron photo shoot.



I took this during some "family day" thing we had going on i think, hence the people with civilian clothing on.



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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:19:17 PM EDT
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The B-1b is the loudest manmade machine I've ever heard. It staggers the mind.
 
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Loud as fuck.

Obviously you have never heard an F-105 with its burner at max power

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Add F4's and/or F111's at 100%...!




Nope.  The same air show I saw the F-117 fly had a B-1 do a demo.  That fucker at full 'burner for takeoff was insane.
The B-1b is the loudest manmade machine I've ever heard. It staggers the mind.
 

It was an awesome sight watching it take off into the sunset at Miramar.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:25:47 PM EDT
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then there was the fasteners left off one of the wings at the Paris Air Show?... it fell off.

https://youtu.be/X2wYvr20nAg

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Nope. Was a issue with the plane. Lost more than one to the problem.  I spent many late nights borescoping the stupid wing bridges for the crew chiefs.
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After, too.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2zr2alu.jpg

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:27:56 PM EDT
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I believe it was a procurement issue.

Fighter, bomber, recon...what designation was tagged to it is beyond my knowledge.
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I believe it was a procurement issue.

Fighter, bomber, recon...what designation was tagged to it is beyond my knowledge.



Probably had more to do with how AF secret project/airplanes deceloped and/or flown at Area 51 were numbered.  It looks like most have had YF-1xx numbers and sometimes a letter suffix.
I hope we get to find out what some of the missing or unknown numbers are, in my lifetime.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-missing.htm
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:31:45 PM EDT
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I grew up in Vegas. Was at Nellis at the end of gulf war when they came home. I remember seeing em all come in and the pilots reuniting with their families. It was awesome.   My how the nation has changed since that day. Doesn't seem to be as much pride as there was back then. It's sad.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:34:33 PM EDT
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Some flew to Langley for possible deployment on OPERATION ELDORADO CANYON

The pilot of the A-7 that crashed into a hotel in Indianapolis was in the squadron flying the 117 at that time. They flew A-7s as a cover.

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The loudest aircraft I ever heard was a B52 at a Boston airshow.  It was so loud there were car alarms going off in the parking lot as it flew over.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:41:43 PM EDT
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Buy this book

its a great read
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:46:29 PM EDT
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F-15 aka Mach
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F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS
F-4 aka Rodent
U-2 not sure screen name
F-18 aka Vallerhu
F-16 aka Powerstroke1999
EF-111 aka Sparkvark
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 aha H46Driver


Didn't CMJohnson fly F-16s?


GTFO
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:50:56 PM EDT
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Lots of stories floated around from farmers and other living around the Smoky Hill bomb range outside Salina about funny looking triangular shaped black planes flying in and out of the range back in the early 80's before they F117 was made public.

From some people I know stationed at Nellis F117 might not be as retired as what folks have been lead to believe, apparently they're still seen flying over the bomb range at times.
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Try standing on the foul line with a Tomcat doing an AB shot.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:55:14 PM EDT
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Ok, ScottS. Anything else I need to add?

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F-15 aka Mach
A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16
F-4 / F-117 / F-15 aka ScottS
F-4 aka Rodent
U-2 not sure screen name
F-18 aka Vallerhu
F-16 aka Powerstroke1999
EF-111 aka Sparkvark
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 aka H46Driver
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:58:58 PM EDT
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Knew I would get corrected. I wasn't sure if flew them or not.
 
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F-15 aka Mach
A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16
F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS
F-4 aka Rodent
U-2 not sure screen name
F-18 aka Vallerhu
F-16 aka Powerstroke1999
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 aha H46Driver
I think Sparkvark flew F-111's. You might want to ask him because I'm not sure if he did or didn't.
 


Specifically, I believe he flew the EF-111A Raven (aka "Sparkvark").
Knew I would get corrected. I wasn't sure if flew them or not.
 


Yeah, he did. I double checked by looking at the archive.

I think that we've got at least one more AH-1 pilot around here somewhere, though I believe they fly/flew a much newer variant than those flown by SnakeDriver.
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F-15 aka Mach

A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16

F-4 / F-117 / F-15 aka ScottS

F-4 aka Rodent

U-2 not sure screen name

F-18 aka Vallerhu

F-16 aka Powerstroke1999

EF-111 aka Sparkvark

AH-1 aka Snake Driver

OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII

AH-64 can't remember his screen name

UH-60 can't remember his screen name

CH-46 aka H46Driver
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KA3B spent a lot of time in some Navy jet. I have no idea what it was, though.

 























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Probably, though the dude that posted a selfie taken while flying a U-2 is pretty close.  
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Probably, though the dude that posted a selfie taken while flying a U-2 is pretty close.  


Link?



 
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CFII is the rotary guru.

I think Kiowa and Chinook
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Actually Kelly hated the F-117 (at least at first) and Ben Rich was running skunk works by then so Kelly didn't have much of anything to do with it.. IIRC the Russian titanium thing is a myth, I think Kelly wrote about that in his book saying none of the Russian titanium was used.
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The guy that designed/managed the program also did a few other you may have heard of.  Kelly Johnson was involved with the F-117, P-38, Constellation, U-2, SR-71, et all.  



The story of the SR-71 is really interesting. We built a plane to spy on the Russians....out of Russian titanium.  





I sincerely hope we found someone to take his place.



Actually Kelly hated the F-117 (at least at first) and Ben Rich was running skunk works by then so Kelly didn't have much of anything to do with it.. IIRC the Russian titanium thing is a myth, I think Kelly wrote about that in his book saying none of the Russian titanium was used.


In his book Kelly talks about the Russian titanium.  There has always some debate that it was just a thumbing the nose thing at Russia about it.  



Kelly was still involved, but didn't trust an airplane that required computers.  As a pilot, I can't say I blamed him.    Kelly was worried it would embarrass the skunkworks program.



http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/100years/stories/f-117.html



But he is credited with being involved.  



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Johnson_%28engineer%29#Aircraft_contributions



 
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F-4 / F-117 / F-15 aka ScottS
F-4 aka Rodent
U-2 not sure screen name
F-18 aka Vallerhu
F-16 aka Powerstroke1999
EF-111 aka Sparkvark
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
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AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
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This has been years ago (8-10?), but wasn't there a confirmed SR-71 pilot who posted here at one time?  The thread seemed legit but I didn't follow it much more.  Could have been your neighbors kid in his basement also.  I am too lazy to search thru the umpteen blackbird threads.

ETA: And no, it wasn't CMJohnson.
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Actually Kelly hated the F-117 (at least at first) and Ben Rich was running skunk works by then so Kelly didn't have much of anything to do with it.. IIRC the Russian titanium thing is a myth, I think Kelly wrote about that in his book saying none of the Russian titanium was used.
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The guy that designed/managed the program also did a few other you may have heard of.  Kelly Johnson was involved with the F-117, P-38, Constellation, U-2, SR-71, et all.  

The story of the SR-71 is really interesting. We built a plane to spy on the Russians....out of Russian titanium.  


I sincerely hope we found someone to take his place.

Actually Kelly hated the F-117 (at least at first) and Ben Rich was running skunk works by then so Kelly didn't have much of anything to do with it.. IIRC the Russian titanium thing is a myth, I think Kelly wrote about that in his book saying none of the Russian titanium was used.



The CIA might have got samples of the alloy that would ultimately be used from the soviets.  Maybe some for the A-12 single seater operated by the CIA, maybe.  This alloy was really difficult to make correctly.  So I doubt the CIA could have been able to order the couple hundred thousand pounds of the alloy without the soviets figuring something was fishy.
The alloy used on almost all the skin and structure is called Ti-13V-11Cr-3Al.  That was the TIMET designation.  Crucible called it B120V or something like that.   RMI might have also made some.   It is high strength, about 125 ksi yield strength and holds up pretty well to about 900-1100F.   There is a section in the Book "Dark Eagles" by Curtis Peebles about problems TIMET was having making the alloy in the 1960s.  The problem was oxygen contamination on the sheets, from plate or sheet rolling - which had to be done hot to get it rolled down.  It was annealed in a vacuum furnace.  But then the sheets and plates had to be belt ground (like a time savers wide belt grinder) to remove the scale and oxidation.   Then the sheets were pickled in HF acid (nasty stuff) and then dipped in nitric and then water rinsed.   If they left some of the spots of oxygen contamination in grinding and pickling, those spots would likely fracture when the parts were formed to make the shapes for the fuselage or skin.  The contaminated spots are a good bit more brittle than what the rest of the alloy is.
So in the book, it said that after missing deliveries to the front company that was buying for lockheed  and the CIA because of the above problems at TIMET in Toronto, OH, the CIA and USAF made a house call at the plant in Toronto and flew in by Helicopter to meet with plant management.  The book said the problem was quickly resolved after the meeting,   That place hasn't changed in 50+ years.  Maybe its the inbreeding someone said they noticed in the area?
crucible was in Midland PA.  The plant buildings still stand, some parts are now owned by Allegheny Ludlum now and that just got shut down too.

After the SR-71 builds were complete in 1970 or so, they never made that alloy again for another 15 years at least.  They basically forgot a lot of the tricks and whatnot to make it right.  Then they got a huge order for it in the late 1980s.  But not from lockheed or General dynamics.   Just some odd named company in northern virginia.  The USAF told people they were going to re-skin the SR-71 fleet.  About two years after the order was complete (took over a year to make, maybe two), the SR-71 fleet was retired.
There are some equally good but somewhat easier to make Ti alloys that would replace the Ti-13-11-3, nowadays.   But as far as I know, haven't been made into anything as near as interesting as the SR-71.  Mundane stuff like exhaust nozzles and shrouds, mostly.   Who knows what all that beta alloy Ti13-11-3 ordered in the late 1980s ended up being used for?

So It bugs me when people keep repeating the myth about soviet Ti from VSMPO being used to make the Blackbirds.  It was made in Ohio (melted near las vegas) and western Pa.
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I worked on the F117s at the Tonopah Test Range back in 1989.  Fun times!  At night, on a moonless night, that was the darkest place in the world.
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 Still is. Even more impressive at night with Nods on, constant falling stars.



 
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then there was the fasteners left off one of the wings at the Paris Air Show?... it fell off.

https://youtu.be/X2wYvr20nAg

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Thought that was caused by a broken or plugged pitot tube (the three pointed probes on the nose).   Caused it to pitch up violently, and the nose got ripped off, then that was it for controlled flight.
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So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of.

F-15 aka Mach
F-16 aka Bull F16
A-10 aka Bull F16
F-117 aka ScottS
U-2 not sure screen name
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
CH-47 can't remember his screen name
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 can't remember his screen name

I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot.

Who did I miss?
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Probably, though the dude that posted a selfie taken while flying a U-2 is pretty close.  



So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of.

F-15 aka Mach
F-16 aka Bull F16
A-10 aka Bull F16
F-117 aka ScottS
U-2 not sure screen name
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
CH-47 can't remember his screen name
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 can't remember his screen name

I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot.

Who did I miss?

CFII was an OH-58 driver and now flies CH-47s.
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The SR-71 was the first stealth plane
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It's a badass jet. I was young during the first Gulf War but I remember thinking how cool it was we actually had stealth planes.


The SR-71 was the first stealth plane


Actually probably that was the Horton IX (229).  Then the YB-49.  But maybe more by accident than design.  And a clean F-105 as someone said here in another thread.
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Probably had more to do with how AF secret project/airplanes deceloped and/or flown at Area 51 were numbered.  It looks like most have had YF-1xx numbers and sometimes a letter suffix.
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It was designated F117-A. Later to highlight it's ground attack capability it was F/A 117. That didn't last long and it reverted back to it's original designation. Wiki says F-117A, frankly I have forgotten but I made quite a few drawings and that is what I remember. Drawing model numbers can be different than what the customer uses, it happens often.
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Back in the 80's I was a kid in Hawthorne, NV. Place is surrounded by a huge early cold-war-era weapons depot (Navy then Army), tons of military land and facilities. The town is just a mile square of little houses in a hot, dusty place. People either work on the Base, at nearby mines, local community services, or collect a check in some....other fashion. I was an aircraft buff from day one like any other American kid, and did enough traveling around the state with my pops to see a lot of military stuff in action.

Some time around, oh, maybe '83-'85 window, a small USAF contingent showed up in town and had a small compound in Babbitt (enlisted/worker town, no longer extant) that consisted of a few white trailers and antenna arrays. The Base always had various "odd" military members using various bits of the facilities, so this wasn't a big deal. The personnel were radar techies and the like, and became members of the local community for a few years. One of them, "Mr. B", came to our church and even helped out with the little private school there. He brought a few of us through the radar trailers on a school field trip, totally awesome green tubed gear. Just a regular guy.

I paid attention to anything that flew - in that kind of isolated town you had to have interests or else risk running amok with your life. Around '85 or so, I started seeing a single aircraft fly over town at night east-west at a mid-elevation (probably ~5000-7000 AGL thinking back). Nothing obviously out of the ordinary, clearly military but not a super-fast mover like the guys out of Fallon. A couple of wingtip lights and a center red strobe IIRC. I slept outside a lot, so I'd see it frequently. In 1988 this thing started flying over town in the daytime, with a white T-38 chase in fairly close formation. Looked like an arrowhead, and was obviously a bit larger than the T-38. It was really exciting, and I can remember sketching it after I saw it the first time. Well, within a couple weeks it was making regular appearances and I started keeping track. I had a local sectional chart (to go with the hanging plastic models, balsa flyers, posters, and constant begging the local CAP guys to let me join as a cadet early), and it was easy work with a watch and compass to get times and flight paths plotted. Within a couple more weeks I had a daily schedule worked up with the flight path variations within visual range. It got to the point where I could say when and where the thing would appear, and where it would exit visual.

Some time (months, maybe) went by, but I distinctly remember running into "Mr. B" one morning while I was out delivering my papers and he was jogging around the town perimeter.
"He's USAF," I thought. "He'll be just as excited about this strange aircraft as I am!"
When I proceeded to lay it all out to Mr. B, and show him my little folded up schedule in my pocket, he seemed amused but not particularly engaged on the topic. I just could not understand why he wasn't all jazzed about it. I mean, this was an epic adventure for an 11 year old kid stuck in a desert town 2.5 hours away from the nearest shopping mall. Mr. B never brought it up again, and we ended up moving away a little over two years later. It wasn't long after that, however, that the T-38 started getting dropped from the flights, and the pattern become completely random. After a year or so of this, I stopped seeing it, and pretty soon the Testor's 1:32 scale model was hanging in my room along with every scrap of info I could get on Groom Lake. The USAF group ended up leaving soon as well, but I don't remember the timing exactly on that. Pretty sure at this point that their sole purpose was a test node for the program.

Now there is just sand and desert shrubs where the compound and white trailers were, and hopefully some other kid is running my paper route and dreaming of a larger world.  
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Cool.
I was in Hawthorne at the same time but was in my twenties .
The F 117 had a  high-pitched whistling noise when I first started spotting it,{I heard this was later fixed.} so I new it was coming and would grab the binoculars and watch it and its escort cross the valley.

On a side note, I knew some of those guys at the radar sight. { It was Ford Aerospace if I remember correctly}.
I flew ultralights in those days and asked one of the radar techs once if my little ragwing was visible on his scope.
He said it was, barely, but that I was not the focus of their interest.




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