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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:06:20 AM EDT
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A horrible law that makes felons out of 2 underage kids doing nothing but taking and sharing pics of themselves.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:07:08 AM EDT
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Gimme a fuckin' break.
At 16, the state tells me that I'm mature enough to pilot a 3,000 lb, 80 MPH chunk of steel through public streets on my own, but I'm not mature enough to choose who I send explicit photos of my junk to? Get the fuck outta here. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:07:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A horrible law that makes felons out of 2 underage kids doing nothing but taking and sharing pics of themselves. This |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:08:40 AM EDT
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Go figure. Another well intentioned law created on an emotional reaction to some incident now has negative unintended consequences. It must be the first time that ever occurred, huh?
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:09:32 AM EDT
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A horrible law that makes felons out of 2 underage kids doing nothing but taking and sharing pics of themselves. This I agree |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:14:07 AM EDT
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:19:22 AM EDT
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lol.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:20:32 AM EDT
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:25:08 AM EDT
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't In a fair world, he shouldn't. And IMO 16 isn't a "child". If we're going to let people be trusted to drive at 16, then they shouldn't be considered children for any purposes. You probably couldn't tell the difference between 16, 17, 18 and 19 years old if you saw them all out on the street and had to pick them out. But I guarantee that you could tell that group apart from a group of REAL children below the ages of 13/14/15. It's a touchy subject and no one wants to seem light on "child pornography", but teens in their later years? Gimme a fucking break. They know that they're doing... they're emulating adults. You have to distinguish teens doing shit like that from real child abuse and real child porn (you know the kind I am referring to). Otherwise throwing everything in that category diminishes the cause. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:27:34 AM EDT
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lol. Even better that it's Fayetteville. 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:28:34 AM EDT
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Yeah, that's fuckin bullshit.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:31:20 AM EDT
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If a 18 yo does it it's a crime. if a 17 yo does it it's just "having fun" http://www.wral.com/families-react-to-high-school-sexting-case-/14869285/ Families shocked by criminal charge for teen sexting Fayetteville, N.C. — Two high school students face legal action after being charged sexual exploitation, leaving many families with unsettled emotions. Cormega Copening and his girlfriend Brianna Benson—students at Jack Britt High School in Fayetteville—found out the hard way. "I’m sure they have no idea that’s what’s going to happen,” Anne Heard, a mother of two, said. "They think they’re just having fun; they don’t know the consequences.” ... Authorities said Copening and Benson, 16, exchanged five sexually explicit pictures using cell phones. Both were charged with five counts of sexual exploitation—a felony. ... I've said it before and I'll say it again: Child porn laws were written to stop child molesters from trading sexually explicit pictures of children they were molesting and raping. It was never intended to be used to turn two teenagers over the age of consent sexting each other into felons. Prosecutors who use the laws to accomplish that goal are fucking idiots and should be run out of office on a rail. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:34:27 AM EDT
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Illinois created a law just for these circumstances to make it basically a petty offense.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:37:31 AM EDT
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't because he's 16! is looking at his own shit a felony? how are locker room showers legal in HS? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:43:08 AM EDT
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Let's see, at that age schools are teaching kids that being openly sexual is OK and promoting awareness of
different sexual lifestyles. They teach the kids about every form of contraception, how to put a condom on a dildo, what to do if they get pregnant and that it's OK to be openly LGBT. But when they DO express their sexuality, felony. Do I have that right? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:44:30 AM EDT
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Zero tolerance, Zero intelligence.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:47:45 AM EDT
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Gimme a fuckin' break. At 16, the state tells me that I'm mature enough to pilot a 3,000 lb, 80 MPH chunk of steel through public streets on my own, but I'm not mature enough to choose who I send explicit photos of my junk to? Get the fuck outta here. Don't forget a minor can't buy or posses a firearm. Yet if he uses one in a crime, they can charge him as an adult...
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:19:43 AM EDT
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Gimme a fuckin' break. At 16, the state tells me that I'm mature enough to pilot a 3,000 lb, 80 MPH chunk of steel through public streets on my own, but I'm not mature enough to choose who I send explicit photos of my junk to? Get the fuck outta here. +1 |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:24:26 AM EDT
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Wouldn't get prosecuted in my AO. Prosecutors ain't got time for dat.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:24:51 AM EDT
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't If she sent him the photo, or he took it with her knowledge and permission, he shouldn't be charged. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:26:32 AM EDT
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Child porn laws were written to stop child molesters from trading sexually explicit pictures of children they were molesting and raping. It was never intended to be used to turn two teenagers over the age of consent sexting each other into felons. Prosecutors who use the laws to accomplish that goal are fucking idiots and should be run out of office on a rail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a 18 yo does it it's a crime. if a 17 yo does it it's just "having fun" http://www.wral.com/families-react-to-high-school-sexting-case-/14869285/ Families shocked by criminal charge for teen sexting Fayetteville, N.C. — Two high school students face legal action after being charged sexual exploitation, leaving many families with unsettled emotions. Cormega Copening and his girlfriend Brianna Benson—students at Jack Britt High School in Fayetteville—found out the hard way. "I’m sure they have no idea that’s what’s going to happen,” Anne Heard, a mother of two, said. "They think they’re just having fun; they don’t know the consequences.” ... Authorities said Copening and Benson, 16, exchanged five sexually explicit pictures using cell phones. Both were charged with five counts of sexual exploitation—a felony. ... I've said it before and I'll say it again: Child porn laws were written to stop child molesters from trading sexually explicit pictures of children they were molesting and raping. It was never intended to be used to turn two teenagers over the age of consent sexting each other into felons. Prosecutors who use the laws to accomplish that goal are fucking idiots and should be run out of office on a rail. Absolutely. I can't imagine they don't have more important shit to do than harass a couple of teenagers. A huge waste of taxpayer money. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:28:10 AM EDT
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The real surprise is that they charged both of them.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:30:47 AM EDT
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Gimme a fuckin' break. At 16, the state tells me that I'm mature enough to pilot a 3,000 lb, 80 MPH chunk of steel through public streets on my own, but I'm not mature enough to choose who I send explicit photos of my junk to? Get the fuck outta here. If they'd have killed their parents, they'd be treated as adults. They picked the wrong crime. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:31:14 AM EDT
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't How old are you and what kind of pictures do you have? 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:34:10 AM EDT
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If they'd have killed their parents, they'd be treated as adults. They picked the wrong crime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gimme a fuckin' break. At 16, the state tells me that I'm mature enough to pilot a 3,000 lb, 80 MPH chunk of steel through public streets on my own, but I'm not mature enough to choose who I send explicit photos of my junk to? Get the fuck outta here. If they'd have killed their parents, they'd be treated as adults. They picked the wrong crime. Pretty sure more parents have died from pissed off teenage children than from pictures of 17 year old titties. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:34:53 AM EDT
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How old are you and what kind of pictures do you have?
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't How old are you and what kind of pictures do you have?
No shit |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:36:42 AM EDT
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't Prosecutorial discretion. Prosecutors decide all the time to not charge someone for whatever reason. I wonder if those kids get out of this with their rights intact will they vote for more government? (Not aimed at you AR just asking in general.) |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:37:17 AM EDT
[#28]
Americaaaaa FUCK YEAH!
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:45:38 AM EDT
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't Probably the same reason a 16 year old having sex with another 16 year old isn't going to get prosecuted. But a 40 year old having sex with a 16 year old would. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:55:33 AM EDT
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So the boys can have consensual sex with the 16 yo girl but cant have a picture of her tits? Gimme a break
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:01:21 AM EDT
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It's tough to decide whether OP is trying to justify grown men having naked pictures of underage teens or if he's cheering for the fact that it's a felony for a high schooler to take pictures of their own genitalia
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:01:55 AM EDT
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Kids, when will they learn not to sexting until 18
Law says 18, there should be some consideration. What age is the cutoff? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:05:01 AM EDT
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the CP law is supposed to only apply to sexually explicit pics but some prosecutors (like this one apparently) will charge minors even for just exchanging nudes of each other
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:06:31 AM EDT
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Absolutely. I can't imagine they don't have more important shit to do than harass a couple of teenagers. A huge waste of taxpayer money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a 18 yo does it it's a crime. if a 17 yo does it it's just "having fun" http://www.wral.com/families-react-to-high-school-sexting-case-/14869285/ Families shocked by criminal charge for teen sexting Fayetteville, N.C. — Two high school students face legal action after being charged sexual exploitation, leaving many families with unsettled emotions. Cormega Copening and his girlfriend Brianna Benson—students at Jack Britt High School in Fayetteville—found out the hard way. "I’m sure they have no idea that’s what’s going to happen,” Anne Heard, a mother of two, said. "They think they’re just having fun; they don’t know the consequences.” ... Authorities said Copening and Benson, 16, exchanged five sexually explicit pictures using cell phones. Both were charged with five counts of sexual exploitation—a felony. ... I've said it before and I'll say it again: Child porn laws were written to stop child molesters from trading sexually explicit pictures of children they were molesting and raping. It was never intended to be used to turn two teenagers over the age of consent sexting each other into felons. Prosecutors who use the laws to accomplish that goal are fucking idiots and should be run out of office on a rail. Absolutely. I can't imagine they don't have more important shit to do than harass a couple of teenagers. A huge waste of taxpayer money. Humans act on incentives; and the spirit of the law is identical to the letter of the law. The original legislators, prosecutors, etc may now claim they meant different - they may even mean it, human memory is suggestible - but what are words as evidence compared against the fruit of their work? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:12:53 AM EDT
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Wouldn't intent be part of it?
And how were the pictures discovered? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:18:07 AM EDT
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ole Jared is laughing his subway eating ass off now
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:19:03 AM EDT
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Pretty sure more parents have died from pissed off teenage children than from pictures of 17 year old titties. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gimme a fuckin' break. At 16, the state tells me that I'm mature enough to pilot a 3,000 lb, 80 MPH chunk of steel through public streets on my own, but I'm not mature enough to choose who I send explicit photos of my junk to? Get the fuck outta here. If they'd have killed their parents, they'd be treated as adults. They picked the wrong crime. Pretty sure more parents have died from pissed off teenage children than from pictures of 17 year old titties. I'm just pointing out the absurdity. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:20:24 AM EDT
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I think there is definitely an opportunity to modify some of the pertinent laws so that we dont prosecute a couple of teens using poor judgement and being naughty in the same way we treat a perverted adult that is exploiting children. I think the law should recognize there is a difference between a couple of hormone fueled horny 17 year olds and Jared Fogle.
That said, any parent nowadays who isn't acting early to educate their children about safe and responsible use of technology is being incredibly negligent. Good or bad theblaws are what they are and they have consequences. Your kid shouldn't have a cell phone, computer, etc if they don't know what it takes to use them responsibly. Ignorance is no excuse nowadays. We have seen this a million times. A good policy, regardless of age or any law, is never take sexually explicit pics of yourself. Ever. And never share them with anyone. Regardless of any laws, its a bad, bad, BAD idea for so many reasons. Nothing good can come from it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:24:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even better that it's Fayetteville. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol. Even better that it's Fayetteville. It's more Hope Mills, unfortunately. Fayetteville needs to keep their rif-raf to themselves. That guy is/was Jack Brit's QB, so apparently it's a big deal. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:24:37 AM EDT
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A horrible law that makes felons out of 2 underage kids doing nothing but taking and sharing pics of themselves. The whole point of child porn laws are to prevent perverted adults from abusing children and taking/distributing pictures of them... If a 16 or 17 year old takes a nude pic and sends it to someone while it's a terrible idea the sender should not be guilty of child porn because they would be both the victim and the perpetrator it's nonsensical. Now if the person who receives it is an adult charge the adult with child porn. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:25:07 AM EDT
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How old are you and what kind of pictures do you have?
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't How old are you and what kind of pictures do you have?
I wouldn't be shocked if I still had a couple polaroids of an ex lost somewhere in a pile of crap I haven't touched in 15 years. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:25:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't Great question. Maybe the answer is... Wait for it.... 24 years of experience. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:26:48 AM EDT
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why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't If a 40 yo has child porn, there is a victim, the underage person in the picture. If a 16 year old has a nude selfie there is no victim. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:28:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a 40 yo has child porn, there is a victim, the underage person in the picture. If a 16 year old has a nude selfie there is no victim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't If a 40 yo has child porn, there is a victim, the underage person in the picture. If a 16 year old has a nude selfie there is no victim. In how many states is it illegal for a 40 to have sex with a 16 year old? Now, in how many states is it illegal to take a picture of it? Also, in how many states is it illegal to use a computer to contact a 16 year old about sex? Does it make sense that those numbers are likely all different? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:28:45 AM EDT
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If the age of consent were lower - say, 14 or 15 - would this have been a "crime", or just two consenting persons exchanging photos?
Studies show a huge percentage of kids at age 11 or 12 are having sex, so is it time to revamp the laws instead of pretending they're still just little ponies? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:30:27 AM EDT
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If the age of consent were lower - say, 14 or 15 - would this have been a "crime", or just two consenting persons exchanging photos? Studies show a huge percentage of kids at age 11 or 12 are having sex, so is it time to revamp the laws instead of pretending they're still just little ponies? Define "huge" and I'd love to a see a source for that claim, too. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:34:04 AM EDT
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Ah but it's "for the children" . . .
Don't you want to protect the children? (by making them criminals). Thank you law and order Republicans and Bill O'Reilly types. I chatted with a Pittsburgh detective who does these cases and she actually thins this makes sense. Unbelievable. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:36:51 AM EDT
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The age of consent is sixteen in North Carolina, but it appears the issue here is the sexual exploitation of a minor. The relevant statute:
14-190.16. First degree sexual exploitation of a minor.
(a) Offense. - A person commits the offense of first degree sexual exploitation of a minor if, knowing the character or content of the material or performance, he: (1) Uses, employs, induces, coerces, encourages, or facilitates a minor to engage in or assist others to engage in sexual activity for a live performance or for the purpose of producing material that contains a visual representation depicting this activity; or (2) Permits a minor under his custody or control to engage in sexual activity for a live performance or for the purpose of producing material that contains a visual representation depicting this activity; or (3) Transports or finances the transportation of a minor through or across this State with the intent that the minor engage in sexual activity for a live performance or for the purpose of producing material that contains a visual representation depicting this activity; or (4) Records, photographs, films, develops, or duplicates for sale or pecuniary gain material that contains a visual representation depicting a minor engaged in sexual activity. This clearly refers to someone else causing a minor to engage in sexual activity as a live performance or for the purpose of recording visual imagery. The only way I can see this being applicable is if they have proof that each asked the other to photograph themself masturbating. I'm not a lawyer, but I think this whole thing is a crock from the legal perspective, and if I were the prosecutor, I'd cut my losses, hang my head in shame, and walk away from this one. And finally, there was a picture of the guy in the link, but not of the girl. I'm curious. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:37:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:34:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: because he's 16! is looking at his own shit a felony? how are locker room showers legal in HS? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: why should a creepy 40 yo male get charged for having the same picture of say a 16 yo girl but a 16 yo male shouldn't because he's 16! is looking at his own shit a felony? how are locker room showers legal in HS? yeah, if the 16 yo loses his phone and you pick it up and don't even look at the contents, you're now in posession of child pornography and facing 20 years |
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