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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:54:00 PM EDT
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And GD would be whining that he was protecting his castle and should not be charged. And thats the problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah...and that's the problem. Because if Joe Average shot at a few fleeing teenagers who knocked on his door and ran, he'd probably be sitting in a cage by now. And GD would be whining that he was protecting his castle and should not be charged. And thats the problem. Those are not incompatible statements. I think more latitude should be given to those with legitimate claims of self defense. That being said, I don't see much here to make a claim for self-defense, legitimate or but. But there is no doubt that if I did the exact same thing, I'd be in jail now. Whether I should be or not is a legitimate point for debate, but the consequences of my actions in the real world are not debatable. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:54:54 PM EDT
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they usually pull a lot of OT. the tweet on hitting a narc in the face with a brick is not going to go well, nor is the picture of him and his punk buddies throwing gang signs. for all we know it was a targeted attack 
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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:54:58 PM EDT
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And GD would be whining that he was protecting his castle and should not be charged. And thats the problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah...and that's the problem. Because if Joe Average shot at a few fleeing teenagers who knocked on his door and ran, he'd probably be sitting in a cage by now. And GD would be whining that he was protecting his castle and should not be charged. And thats the problem. I agree. Straw men are a problem. With the story as it stands nobody should be defending (or "not defending") the homeowner. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:56:01 PM EDT
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they usually pull a lot of OT. the tweet on hitting a narc in the face with a brick is not going to go well, nor is the picture of him and his punk buddies throwing gang signs. for all we know it was a targeted attack It's an attack now. Some vivid imaginations at work. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:56:30 PM EDT
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1. Teens are lying little fucks, 2. Deadly force is still an inappropriate response to teens fleeing your property after a cursory casing 3. Lawyer's wet dream - guarantee his department gets named in the civil suit Won't go anywhere. We'll see. I've seen a case where a Deputy shot a mentally ill woman who had broken into his house at 1:30am and was attacking him with a vacuum cleaner and they named the Department in the civil suit - and the Department settled. And that was in Missouri. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:57:37 PM EDT
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How much do NJ Troopers make? That's...a way nicer house than I would have imagined. Not to mention Sparta, NJ is a very rich, well to do neighborhood. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:57:42 PM EDT
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And GD would be whining that he was protecting his castle and should not be charged. And thats the problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah...and that's the problem. Because if Joe Average shot at a few fleeing teenagers who knocked on his door and ran, he'd probably be sitting in a cage by now. And GD would be whining that he was protecting his castle and should not be charged. And thats the problem. Protecting his castle from what; unarmed and fleeing teenagers? Not much different than trespassers on dirtbikes or ATVs. And the poll in that thread is running about 83% no shoot to 17% shoot last I checked. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:57:45 PM EDT
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I thought the whole point of shooting at people was that you didn't HAVE to chase them 
This guy's making it more difficult than it need to be; let the bullets do the work.  they were subsonics
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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:59:15 PM EDT
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New Jersey state trooper chased after three unarmed teenagers and shot at them early Sunday after they accidentally knocked on his door, officials said Wednesday.
... As they drove away, the trooper gave chase and fired at least three shots at them, with one hitting the car’s front tires. ... Barreau remains on active duty and hasn’t faced any charges. Held to a higher standard ... |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:01:45 PM EDT
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And if a non-cop was arrested for doing that GD would be bitching about the guy being arrested for defending his family/house from a home invasion robbery........... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's typical. No charges, if it wasn't a cop that did that, they would have been arrested immediately. And if a non-cop was arrested for doing that GD would be bitching about the guy being arrested for defending his family/house from a home invasion robbery........... No, they'd be calling him an idiot for shooting at a car full of teenagers trying to escape. You have some stunningly bizarre ideas about how threads like this one actually go. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:01:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The arrest and charge normally follows an investigation, doesn't it? Or is always like on TV, where the home owner is arrested and charged as soon as the cops show up? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If there was ever a case study example that personifies the thin blue line, it would be this. If that same trooper responded to a similar call and the homeowner/shooter was not a cop, you know shit would be immensely different. The guy would be arrested and charged with multiple counts of attempted murder. But since it's a cop, we shouldn't rush to judgement. And people wonder why the law abiding no longer trust law enforcement. The arrest and charge normally follows an investigation, doesn't it? Or is always like on TV, where the home owner is arrested and charged as soon as the cops show up? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:02:19 PM EDT
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I have about 8 Friends still on the job, all sea shore towns except one, they all get offered OT everyday One takes all he can get as he's in his final years on the job Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much do NJ Troopers make? That's...a way nicer house than I would have imagined. The current starting salary for a trooper is $62,403.60 (including uniform allowance). The second-year total compensation significantly increases to $69,489.30. Top pay for a Trooper I is $108,847.13. Troopers receive yearly increments. With OT, I wouldn't be surprised if they are pushing $150,000-$200,000 Not a lot of OT anymore. Unless you are connected or its a special gig. But regular OT? Far and few between. One takes all he can get as he's in his final years on the job Why the final years? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:02:34 PM EDT
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How much do NJ Troopers make? That's...a way nicer house than I would have imagined. around 90 to about 110 |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:02:53 PM EDT
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No? Graves act NJ ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone without a badge would be in jail. This guy should be. Txl Charged maybe. Jail? Doubt it. Graves act NJ ? Getting bail on a guy with no priors is a bitch. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:03:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to mention Sparta, NJ is a very rich, well to do neighborhood. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How much do NJ Troopers make? That's...a way nicer house than I would have imagined. Not to mention Sparta, NJ is a very rich, well to do neighborhood. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:03:42 PM EDT
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We'll see. I've seen a case where a Deputy shot a mentally ill woman who had broken into his house at 1:30am and was attacking him with a vacuum cleaner and they named the Department in the civil suit - and the Department settled. And that was in Missouri. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1. Teens are lying little fucks, 2. Deadly force is still an inappropriate response to teens fleeing your property after a cursory casing 3. Lawyer's wet dream - guarantee his department gets named in the civil suit Won't go anywhere. We'll see. I've seen a case where a Deputy shot a mentally ill woman who had broken into his house at 1:30am and was attacking him with a vacuum cleaner and they named the Department in the civil suit - and the Department settled. And that was in Missouri. What was the reasoning? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:03:54 PM EDT
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Yes in jersey if you shoot at someone they arrest you on the spot Unless you're held to a higher standard ... In which case, you not only don't get arrested, but you keep your gun and your cushy job wherein you carry one, too. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the final years? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How much do NJ Troopers make? That's...a way nicer house than I would have imagined. The current starting salary for a trooper is $62,403.60 (including uniform allowance). The second-year total compensation significantly increases to $69,489.30. Top pay for a Trooper I is $108,847.13. Troopers receive yearly increments. With OT, I wouldn't be surprised if they are pushing $150,000-$200,000 Not a lot of OT anymore. Unless you are connected or its a special gig. But regular OT? Far and few between. One takes all he can get as he's in his final years on the job Why the final years? I believe the newer contract excludes OT in the pension calculations. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:08:22 PM EDT
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From what I remember his pension was on the older contract and his % goes up with time on the job and top earnings per year, including OT. I believe the newer contract excludes OT in the pension calculations. Are we talking about NJ cops here? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:09:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting bail on a guy with no priors is a bitch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anyone without a badge would be in jail. This guy should be. Txl Charged maybe. Jail? Doubt it. Graves act NJ ? Getting bail on a guy with no priors is a bitch. Unless they just charge him with creating a disturbance , $50.00 fine and $25.00 cost see ya (muni court) |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:10:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you're held to a higher standard ... In which case, you not only don't get arrested, but you keep your gun and your cushy job wherein you carry one, too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes in jersey if you shoot at someone they arrest you on the spot Unless you're held to a higher standard ... In which case, you not only don't get arrested, but you keep your gun and your cushy job wherein you carry one, too. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:10:54 PM EDT
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We'll see. I've seen a case where a Deputy shot a mentally ill woman who had broken into his house at 1:30am and was attacking him with a vacuum cleaner and they named the Department in the civil suit - and the Department settled. And that was in Missouri. What was the reasoning? If the NJ cop in this case was yelling POLICE at the kids and attempting to stop them under the color of his authority as a police officer ... and then shot at them under the whole "effecting an arrest" thing ... then I can see how the agency/state gets put on the hook. And it sounds like that's what the cop is claiming. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:11:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we talking about NJ cops here? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: From what I remember his pension was on the older contract and his % goes up with time on the job and top earnings per year, including OT. I believe the newer contract excludes OT in the pension calculations. Are we talking about NJ cops here? To clarify I do not believe that town is part of PFRS , or it wasn't at the time |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:11:57 PM EDT
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Unless you're held to a higher standard ... In which case, you not only don't get arrested, but you keep your gun and your cushy job wherein you carry one, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes in jersey if you shoot at someone they arrest you on the spot Unless you're held to a higher standard ... In which case, you not only don't get arrested, but you keep your gun and your cushy job wherein you carry one, too. Where did you read the investigation was over? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:12:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the NJ cop in this case was yelling POLICE at the kids and attempting to stop them under the color of his authority as a police officer ... and then shot at them under the whole "effecting an arrest" thing ... then I can see how the agency/state gets put on the hook. And it sounds like that's what the cop is claiming. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We'll see. I've seen a case where a Deputy shot a mentally ill woman who had broken into his house at 1:30am and was attacking him with a vacuum cleaner and they named the Department in the civil suit - and the Department settled. And that was in Missouri. What was the reasoning? If the NJ cop in this case was yelling POLICE at the kids and attempting to stop them under the color of his authority as a police officer ... and then shot at them under the whole "effecting an arrest" thing ... then I can see how the agency/state gets put on the hook. And it sounds like that's what the cop is claiming. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:14:08 PM EDT
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This is a small rich town on jersey shore (think small dept, many celebrities) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From what I remember his pension was on the older contract and his % goes up with time on the job and top earnings per year, including OT. I believe the newer contract excludes OT in the pension calculations. Are we talking about NJ cops here? Overtime isn't included in any pension systems in NJ. Regardless what the contract says. Retirement is state controlled. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:16:51 PM EDT
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Yes in jersey if you shoot at someone they arrest you on the spot Unless you're held to a higher standard ... In which case, you not only don't get arrested, but you keep your gun and your cushy job wherein you carry one, too. Where did you read the investigation was over? Why were the people who were SHOT AT arrested for 9 hours, while the shooter wasn't? Was the investigation over for them for those 9 hours, are are they just not special enough to not be arrested? Why is he still on the job (and not on leave) if the investigation isn't over? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Overtime isn't included in any pension systems in NJ. Regardless what the contract says. Retirement is state controlled. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: From what I remember his pension was on the older contract and his % goes up with time on the job and top earnings per year, including OT. I believe the newer contract excludes OT in the pension calculations. Are we talking about NJ cops here? Overtime isn't included in any pension systems in NJ. Regardless what the contract says. Retirement is state controlled. There are some small towns that have their own contracts with the PD that go well beyond the state run pension. All police officers and firefighters appointed after June, 1944, in municipalities where local police and fire pension funds existed, or where this system was adopted by referendum or resolution, are required to become members of the Police and Firemen's Retirement System. All towns did not join |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:20:21 PM EDT
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Why were the people who were SHOT AT arrested for 9 hours, while the shooter wasn't? Was the investigation over for them for those 9 hours, are are they just not special enough to not be arrested? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes in jersey if you shoot at someone they arrest you on the spot Unless you're held to a higher standard ... In which case, you not only don't get arrested, but you keep your gun and your cushy job wherein you carry one, too. Where did you read the investigation was over? Why were the people who were SHOT AT arrested for 9 hours, while the shooter wasn't? Was the investigation over for them for those 9 hours, are are they just not special enough to not be arrested? You didn't answer my question. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:21:21 PM EDT
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Not every dept are part of PFRS, or they weren't at the time There are some small towns that have their own contracts with the PD that go well beyond the state run pension. All police officers and firefighters appointed after June, 1944, in municipalities where local police and fire pension funds existed, or where this system was adopted by referendum or resolution, are required to become members of the Police and Firemen's Retirement System. All towns did not join How many cops did you know that were appointed before 1944? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:21:30 PM EDT
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That's typical. No charges, if it wasn't a cop that did that, they would have been arrested immediately. Sigh. Pretty much this! And this is was a CCW holder that did this, they would most likely lose their CCW for negligent discharge of a firearm. 
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:22:12 PM EDT
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If the NJ cop in this case was yelling POLICE at the kids and attempting to stop them under the color of his authority as a police officer ... and then shot at them under the whole "effecting an arrest" thing ... then I can see how the agency/state gets put on the hook. And it sounds like that's what the cop is claiming. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We'll see. I've seen a case where a Deputy shot a mentally ill woman who had broken into his house at 1:30am and was attacking him with a vacuum cleaner and they named the Department in the civil suit - and the Department settled. And that was in Missouri. What was the reasoning? If the NJ cop in this case was yelling POLICE at the kids and attempting to stop them under the color of his authority as a police officer ... and then shot at them under the whole "effecting an arrest" thing ... then I can see how the agency/state gets put on the hook. And it sounds like that's what the cop is claiming. Won't go anywhere. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:23:12 PM EDT
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Yes in jersey if you shoot at someone they arrest you on the spot Unless you're held to a higher standard ... In which case, you not only don't get arrested, but you keep your gun and your cushy job wherein you carry one, too. Where did you read the investigation was over? Why were the people who were SHOT AT arrested for 9 hours, while the shooter wasn't? Was the investigation over for them for those 9 hours, are are they just not special enough to not be arrested? You didn't answer my question. Your question is irrelevant. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:23:23 PM EDT
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How much do NJ Troopers make? That's...a way nicer house than I would have imagined. Not to mention Sparta, NJ is a very rich, well to do neighborhood. The house next to him sold for $490,000 a few years ago. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:23:34 PM EDT
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If the NJ cop in this case was yelling POLICE at the kids and attempting to stop them under the color of his authority as a police officer ... and then shot at them under the whole "effecting an arrest" thing ... then I can see how the agency/state gets put on the hook. And it sounds like that's what the cop is claiming. Won't go anywhere. Why not? Explain. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:25:40 PM EDT
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If the NJ cop in this case was yelling POLICE at the kids and attempting to stop them under the color of his authority as a police officer ... and then shot at them under the whole "effecting an arrest" thing ... then I can see how the agency/state gets put on the hook. And it sounds like that's what the cop is claiming. Won't go anywhere. Why not? Explain. Cause he acted out of the scope of AG guidelines. If the NJSP were smart, they'd throw him under the bus. Plus, whatever policies they have about off duty conduct. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many cops did you know that were appointed before 1944? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not every dept are part of PFRS, or they weren't at the time There are some small towns that have their own contracts with the PD that go well beyond the state run pension. All police officers and firefighters appointed after June, 1944, in municipalities where local police and fire pension funds existed, or where this system was adopted by referendum or resolution, are required to become members of the Police and Firemen's Retirement System. All towns did not join How many cops did you know that were appointed before 1944? I am pretty sure there are still small dept that are not part of PFRS I could be wrong but I am not wrong on his org contract with that town, I read it years ago and was jealous his OT got included in calculations for retirement. Good read here about your pension monies http://www.njlawman.com/op-ed/001-nj-police-pensions.htm |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:29:24 PM EDT
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Cause he acted out of the scope of AG guidelines. If the NJSP were smart, they'd throw him under the bus. Plus, whatever policies they have about off duty conduct. That alone may not keep them off the hook (and it certainly won't keep them off the pleadings). It just means the state has a good argument for not defending and indemnifying the individual officer. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:29:49 PM EDT
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Not too many but that was mandatory , it was the town who had to adopt it or opt out I am pretty sure there are still small dept that are not part of PFRS I could be wrong but I am not wrong on his org contract with that town, I read it years ago and was jealous his OT got included in calculations for retirement. Good read here about your pension monies http://www.njlawman.com/op-ed/001-nj-police-pensions.htm Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not every dept are part of PFRS, or they weren't at the time There are some small towns that have their own contracts with the PD that go well beyond the state run pension. All police officers and firefighters appointed after June, 1944, in municipalities where local police and fire pension funds existed, or where this system was adopted by referendum or resolution, are required to become members of the Police and Firemen's Retirement System. All towns did not join How many cops did you know that were appointed before 1944? I am pretty sure there are still small dept that are not part of PFRS I could be wrong but I am not wrong on his org contract with that town, I read it years ago and was jealous his OT got included in calculations for retirement. Good read here about your pension monies http://www.njlawman.com/op-ed/001-nj-police-pensions.htm All towns are required to be in it. Read the first line. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All towns are required to be in it. Read the first line. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not every dept are part of PFRS, or they weren't at the time There are some small towns that have their own contracts with the PD that go well beyond the state run pension. All police officers and firefighters appointed after June, 1944, in municipalities where local police and fire pension funds existed, or where this system was adopted by referendum or resolution, are required to become members of the Police and Firemen's Retirement System. All towns did not join How many cops did you know that were appointed before 1944? I am pretty sure there are still small dept that are not part of PFRS I could be wrong but I am not wrong on his org contract with that town, I read it years ago and was jealous his OT got included in calculations for retirement. Good read here about your pension monies http://www.njlawman.com/op-ed/001-nj-police-pensions.htm All towns are required to be in it. Read the first line. I don't believe PFRS has anything to do with individual town contracts, do they? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:36:55 PM EDT
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You didn't answer my question. Your question is irrelevant. How is it irrelevant? I asked where did you read investigation was over? I think that's very relevant when it comes to a one sided news article. If case is closed then its over and no charges will be filed, then I could possibly understand some view's here that come across as anti-law enforcement. On the other hand, If the case is not closed, then there is possible looming charges for the off-duty officer or the kids. Perhaps we should wait till the investigation is complete and all the facts are out there??? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:39:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:47:01 PM EDT
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1. Teens are lying little fucks, 2. Deadly force is still an inappropriate response to teens fleeing your property after a cursory casing 3. Lawyer's wet dream - guarantee his department gets named in the civil suit Won't go anywhere. We'll see. I've seen a case where a Deputy shot a mentally ill woman who had broken into his house at 1:30am and was attacking him with a vacuum cleaner and they named the Department in the civil suit - and the Department settled. And that was in Missouri. What was the reasoning? Honestly, I couldn't even find you the criminal appeals case I remembered reading it was so long ago. So it is certainly possible I've botched the details. I came across it while researching duty to retreat cases. Naturally, the dead woman's family was arguing the Deputy had a duty to retreat in that case. As I recall, the court mentioned that the corresponding civil case with the department had settled; but I couldn't be 100% on that. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:49:31 PM EDT
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No, they'd be calling him an idiot for shooting at a car full of teenagers trying to escape. You have some stunningly bizarre ideas about how threads like this one actually go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's typical. No charges, if it wasn't a cop that did that, they would have been arrested immediately. And if a non-cop was arrested for doing that GD would be bitching about the guy being arrested for defending his family/house from a home invasion robbery........... No, they'd be calling him an idiot for shooting at a car full of teenagers trying to escape. You have some stunningly bizarre ideas about how threads like this one actually go. We've both been here a long time - we both know there are folks in GD that have said that knocking on the door at ~2AM results in an armed response and shooting at a fleeing car is GTG because of the possibility that the people were burglars/robbers. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:59:11 PM EDT
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It's odd that there is no mention of the officer's 911 call. If he thought they were breaking into his and was afraid for his life to the point that he shot at them you would think that he would report it and there would be some mention of that report or his statement.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:00:36 PM EDT
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It's odd that there is no mention of the officer's 911 call. If he thought they were breaking into his and was afraid for his life to the point that he shot at them you would think that he would report it and there would be some mention of that report or his statement. Where did you see/read the off-duty officer's statement??? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:01:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:02:49 PM EDT
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It's odd that there is no mention of the officer's 911 call. If he thought they were breaking into his and was afraid for his life to the point that he shot at them you would think that he would report it and there would be some mention of that report or his statement. Where did you see/read the off-duty officer's statement??? I haven't seen one. That's what I said. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:06:50 PM EDT
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It's odd that there is no mention of the officer's 911 call. If he thought they were breaking into his and was afraid for his life to the point that he shot at them you would think that he would report it and there would be some mention of that report or his statement. Where did you see/read the off-duty officer's statement??? I haven't seen one. That's what I said. Didnt read that in what you wrote. And this isn't directed at you. News Media, Law Enforcements #1 fan followed by a GD in a close 2nd |
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That alone may not keep them off the hook (and it certainly won't keep them off the pleadings). It just means the state has a good argument for not defending and indemnifying the individual officer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cause he acted out of the scope of AG guidelines. If the NJSP were smart, they'd throw him under the bus. Plus, whatever policies they have about off duty conduct. That alone may not keep them off the hook (and it certainly won't keep them off the pleadings). It just means the state has a good argument for not defending and indemnifying the individual officer. New Jersey courts are insane. It won't help them and the NJSP is a big target because they're racistses. The courts said so. |
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