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Posted: 7/30/2015 7:30:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: prick. i just spit out water all over the new bedset my girlfriend bought me.  she's gonna be pissed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 13 kids and 60 arrests? This dude bred himself a fucking sympathetic jury. Ingenious!  prick. i just spit out water all over the new bedset my girlfriend bought me. she's gonna be pissed. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 7:47:20 AM EDT
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Most of the local/city cops in OH do not give a shit about it. I see people around here all the time with no front plate. From what I have been told, the Highway Patrol is about the only agency in Ohio that will stop you for that reason alone. It kind of amazes me that a campus cop made this stop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read through as much as I could, about 10 pages. This is what I got from the video. Horrible shoot. A. No front license plate is a stupid law. The officer doesn't have to stop someone for that. Yeah I know it's the law and he broke it. Big deal. Pulling anyone over for that is just fishing. B. He reached into the car which looked to be an attempt to stop the guy from driving. C. When he couldn't stop him, he decided his life was in danger from someone trying to drive away from him. Then proceeded to shoot him. The guys life history has nothing to do with this stop. Most of the local/city cops in OH do not give a shit about it. I see people around here all the time with no front plate. From what I have been told, the Highway Patrol is about the only agency in Ohio that will stop you for that reason alone. It kind of amazes me that a campus cop made this stop. They NEVER stop you for that reason. That's only the justification. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 7:57:35 AM EDT
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Yes.... If you watch the extended video that's linked in this thread somewhere (cincinnati.com or something)... it shows the two officers after they reach the vehicle after it crashed (and a few minutes after)... You clearly see the other officer was wearing a body camera. I'm interested to see other footage of this (other body cams, dash cams, etc.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This trial will be based more off of feels than facts. Hope he doesn't get a crappy jury. Fuck that. Bench trial all the way. Agreed... this officer will have a helluva time with a jury. Here's my take.. If the law and facts are on his side (we've not seen the other evidence)... a bench trial is the way to go. If there's even the slightest chance that a reasonable judge can't be convinced, you have to go w/ a jury and hope you get 1 on there. While the officer may or may not have had enough to pull him over, appears he did, once the guy started playing games about who he was and who's car it was. Suddenly sounds like it might be a wanted guy in a stolen car. Reaching in? not a brilliant idea. Was he being dragged?? can't tell but I only watched it a bit. Fired one round and it scored. (facetious aside, how many of us could do that on purpose?) I think they are lining him up to throw him under a fleet of buses On the other hand with his babbling it reinforces the usual advice here. If involved in a shooting keep your yap shut. Yes.... If you watch the extended video that's linked in this thread somewhere (cincinnati.com or something)... it shows the two officers after they reach the vehicle after it crashed (and a few minutes after)... You clearly see the other officer was wearing a body camera. I'm interested to see other footage of this (other body cams, dash cams, etc.) On the treadmill and GMA was playing in the background. I had no sound but they had a couple still images from the other officers view. Then they showed the image darkened out and highlighting a body on the ground, which I presume to be the officer. Like I said, no sound but it appears other images of the situation are surfacing. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:14:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ohio has concealed carry. No worries  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Too bad Cincinnati doesn't have an online scanner. I may not have anything to go to work to tonight... I chuckled but it does suck for you guys. Be careful Ohioan(or whatever the fuck you call yourselves) brothers. Ohioans or "Buckeyes"... ...Hope you guys and gals can legally strap up. Double up on ammo too. Best to be prepared and all that jazz. Ohio has concealed carry. No worries |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:27:06 AM EDT
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Just heard audio of the guy's mother...."he did nothing.....absolutely nothing" 
His brother's statement was worse yesterday. Said God had bigger plans for him in this life and he was simply called home too soon. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:46:33 AM EDT
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Here is footage from second body cam.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 9:04:50 AM EDT
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I'm just a few days into to this story, what am I hearing about the cop's statements?
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Posted: 7/30/2015 9:10:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2015 9:54:28 AM EDT
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They NEVER stop you for that reason. That's only the justification. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read through as much as I could, about 10 pages. This is what I got from the video. Horrible shoot. A. No front license plate is a stupid law. The officer doesn't have to stop someone for that. Yeah I know it's the law and he broke it. Big deal. Pulling anyone over for that is just fishing. B. He reached into the car which looked to be an attempt to stop the guy from driving. C. When he couldn't stop him, he decided his life was in danger from someone trying to drive away from him. Then proceeded to shoot him. The guys life history has nothing to do with this stop. Most of the local/city cops in OH do not give a shit about it. I see people around here all the time with no front plate. From what I have been told, the Highway Patrol is about the only agency in Ohio that will stop you for that reason alone. It kind of amazes me that a campus cop made this stop. They NEVER stop you for that reason. That's only the justification. which is legal? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 9:55:55 AM EDT
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He didn't do nothing?
He drove with out a front license plate to get pulled over In the course of talking to the officer it was discovered he was dui In the face of that he actively resisted by attempting to start his car and flee If this cop gets convicted the citizens are making a statement that they would rather have a drunk guy fleeing in a car through thier streets than let an officer do his job If the cop was much larger he possibly could have overpowered the guy and dragged him out of the vehicle, guess they should start hiring larger cops |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 9:58:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryDoesn't really show much. The third officer would probably have a better perspective. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:02:05 AM EDT
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He didn't do nothing? He drove with out a front license plate to get pulled over In the course of talking to the officer it was discovered he was dui In the face of that he actively resisted by attempting to start his car and flee If this cop gets convicted the citizens are making a statement that they would rather have a drunk guy fleeing in a car through thier streets than let an officer do his job If the cop was much larger he possibly could have overpowered the guy and dragged him out of the vehicle, guess they should start hiring larger cops That's not been proven to my knowledge yet. Having a full bottle in your vehicle is not illegal. I couldn't give less of a fuck about the guy that got killed. But the cop shouldn't have reached into the vehicle and put himself at risk, and then used an afraid for his life excuse to shoot the bastard. By shooting someone under questionable circumstances that cop opened himself up to liability, and quite arguably put the whole city at risk of being burned to the ground. Unfortunately those consequences need to be taken into account. So yes, I would rather a drunk be driving around than half the city of Cincinnati burned to the ground. He already had the plate, all he had to do was clear himself of the vehicle and follow in his own car while calling in backup and follow the guy. Had he done that his career wouldn't be over and he wouldn't be facing murder charges. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:12:49 AM EDT
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With 60+ arrestes imagine the number of crimes he wasn't caught doing Multiply by 10 |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:14:23 AM EDT
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Sure, but he was clearly planning to do a three-point turn in the nearest driveway and then come back and run over the heroic officer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate the unarmed lie. He was armed with a 4000 pound weapon and was using it to seriously harm or kill the officer. B.S. He was obviously trying to drive away from the officer. Sure, but he was clearly planning to do a three-point turn in the nearest driveway and then come back and run over the heroic officer. I recently, and for the first time ever, got out of my vehicle while it was still in gear behind my place of employment, in the yard. I was just hitting the ground as it rolled. 
That vehicle traveled maybe 2-3 feet, while I scrambled to get back into it. It was actually pretty hairy. I barely made into the vehicle to stop it. I actually felt like the vehicle had control of me. A moving vehicle is extremely dangerous (ban them!!). There was no way I could have ever tried to stop it, fought it in any way, or gotten out of there in good shape if I was stuck. I can see how the cop, who had acted professionally and calmly up to that point, would be fearful when an uncooperative, evasive, motorist starts the car and attempts to drive off while the cop is attempting to give an order to said evasive, fleeing motorist not to do so, in a split second, with his arms in and out of the vehicle. Given the training I suspect these guys go through, which likely includes covering situations like this, was he supposed to just step back and say "have a nice day", "catch up with you later", "oh well"? I don't know if it was an accident in a tough situation, a sincere perception of fear, bad judgment, or flat out justified. I don't think the cop should be made out to be "out to get" anybody here (i.e., a murderer), especially based on race. That's just bullshit. As always, YMMV, just my opinion, man. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:14:34 AM EDT
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That's not been proven to my knowledge yet. Having a full bottle in your vehicle is not illegal. I couldn't give less of a fuck about the guy that got killed. But the cop shouldn't have reached into the vehicle and put himself at risk, and then used an afraid for his life excuse to shoot the bastard. By shooting someone under questionable circumstances that cop opened himself up to liability, and quite arguably put the whole city at risk of being burned to the ground. Unfortunately those consequences need to be taken into account. So yes, I would rather a drunk be driving around than half the city of Cincinnati burned to the ground. He already had the plate, all he had to do was clear himself of the vehicle and follow in his own car while calling in backup and follow the guy. Had he done that his career wouldn't be over and he wouldn't be facing murder charges. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He didn't do nothing? He drove with out a front license plate to get pulled over In the course of talking to the officer it was discovered he was dui In the face of that he actively resisted by attempting to start his car and flee If this cop gets convicted the citizens are making a statement that they would rather have a drunk guy fleeing in a car through thier streets than let an officer do his job If the cop was much larger he possibly could have overpowered the guy and dragged him out of the vehicle, guess they should start hiring larger cops That's not been proven to my knowledge yet. Having a full bottle in your vehicle is not illegal. I couldn't give less of a fuck about the guy that got killed. But the cop shouldn't have reached into the vehicle and put himself at risk, and then used an afraid for his life excuse to shoot the bastard. By shooting someone under questionable circumstances that cop opened himself up to liability, and quite arguably put the whole city at risk of being burned to the ground. Unfortunately those consequences need to be taken into account. So yes, I would rather a drunk be driving around than half the city of Cincinnati burned to the ground. He already had the plate, all he had to do was clear himself of the vehicle and follow in his own car while calling in backup and follow the guy. Had he done that his career wouldn't be over and he wouldn't be facing murder charges. Cops put them self at risk every day. Its part of the job. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:16:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:17:45 AM EDT
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Cops put them self at risk every day. Its part of the job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He didn't do nothing? He drove with out a front license plate to get pulled over In the course of talking to the officer it was discovered he was dui In the face of that he actively resisted by attempting to start his car and flee If this cop gets convicted the citizens are making a statement that they would rather have a drunk guy fleeing in a car through thier streets than let an officer do his job If the cop was much larger he possibly could have overpowered the guy and dragged him out of the vehicle, guess they should start hiring larger cops That's not been proven to my knowledge yet. Having a full bottle in your vehicle is not illegal. I couldn't give less of a fuck about the guy that got killed. But the cop shouldn't have reached into the vehicle and put himself at risk, and then used an afraid for his life excuse to shoot the bastard. By shooting someone under questionable circumstances that cop opened himself up to liability, and quite arguably put the whole city at risk of being burned to the ground. Unfortunately those consequences need to be taken into account. So yes, I would rather a drunk be driving around than half the city of Cincinnati burned to the ground. He already had the plate, all he had to do was clear himself of the vehicle and follow in his own car while calling in backup and follow the guy. Had he done that his career wouldn't be over and he wouldn't be facing murder charges. Cops put them self at risk every day. Its part of the job. I understand that, so why put yourself at even more risk than is necessary? Just seems like a really bad idea to reach into a vehicle that someone is currently trying to get moving. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:18:10 AM EDT
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$1,000,000 bond. Fuck...
I don't know how bail bond places work. Will anyone be able to get him out? Start a GoFundMe? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:18:49 AM EDT
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I read through as much as I could, about 10 pages. This is what I got from the video. Horrible shoot. A. No front license plate is a stupid law. The officer doesn't have to stop someone for that. Yeah I know it's the law and he broke it. Big deal. Pulling anyone over for that is just fishing. B. He reached into the car which looked to be an attempt to stop the guy from driving. C. When he couldn't stop him, he decided his life was in danger from someone trying to drive away from him. Then proceeded to shoot him. The guys life history has nothing to do with this stop. Most of the local/city cops in OH do not give a shit about it. I see people around here all the time with no front plate. From what I have been told, the Highway Patrol is about the only agency in Ohio that will stop you for that reason alone. It kind of amazes me that a campus cop made this stop. They NEVER stop you for that reason. That's only the justification. which is legal? Of course. They can't stop you without a reason just to see what they can find. Give them any small reason and they can. This case was a perfect example. No front plate turned into, at the very least, open container and driving without a license. If he hadn't tried to drive away, probably would have gotten OVI, plus whatever he was running from. Maybe weed in the car? I would guess that a large percentage of OVI charges and drug busts start out with a missing plate, a burned out tail light, or some other "chicken shit stop". Never invite the man into your life. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:20:14 AM EDT
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I just watched the video for the first time. It looked like the Officer was doing the right thing until he shot the driver. That was murder, pure and simple.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:21:47 AM EDT
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Tensing's attorney just said it can be 10% of 1 million.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:25:59 AM EDT
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I recently, and for the first time ever, got out of my vehicle while it was still in gear behind my place of employment, in the yard. I was just hitting the ground as it rolled.
That vehicle traveled maybe 2-3 feet, while I scrambled to get back into it. It was actually pretty hairy. I barely made into the vehicle to stop it. I actually felt like the vehicle had control of me. A moving vehicle is extremely dangerous (ban them!!). There was no way I could have ever tried to stop it, fought it in any way, or gotten out of there in good shape if I was stuck. I can see how the cop, who had acted professionally and calmly up to that point, would be fearful when an uncooperative, evasive, motorist starts the car and attempts to drive off while the cop is attempting to give an order to said evasive, fleeing motorist not to do so, in a split second, with his arms in and out of the vehicle. Given the training I suspect these guys go through, which likely includes covering situations like this, was he supposed to just step back and say "have a nice day", "catch up with you later", "oh well"? I don't know if it was an accident in a tough situation, a sincere perception of fear, bad judgment, or flat out justified. I don't think the cop should be made out to be "out to get" anybody here (i.e., a murderer), especially based on race. That's just bullshit. As always, YMMV, just my opinion, man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate the unarmed lie. He was armed with a 4000 pound weapon and was using it to seriously harm or kill the officer. B.S. He was obviously trying to drive away from the officer. Sure, but he was clearly planning to do a three-point turn in the nearest driveway and then come back and run over the heroic officer. I recently, and for the first time ever, got out of my vehicle while it was still in gear behind my place of employment, in the yard. I was just hitting the ground as it rolled.
That vehicle traveled maybe 2-3 feet, while I scrambled to get back into it. It was actually pretty hairy. I barely made into the vehicle to stop it. I actually felt like the vehicle had control of me. A moving vehicle is extremely dangerous (ban them!!). There was no way I could have ever tried to stop it, fought it in any way, or gotten out of there in good shape if I was stuck. I can see how the cop, who had acted professionally and calmly up to that point, would be fearful when an uncooperative, evasive, motorist starts the car and attempts to drive off while the cop is attempting to give an order to said evasive, fleeing motorist not to do so, in a split second, with his arms in and out of the vehicle. Given the training I suspect these guys go through, which likely includes covering situations like this, was he supposed to just step back and say "have a nice day", "catch up with you later", "oh well"? I don't know if it was an accident in a tough situation, a sincere perception of fear, bad judgment, or flat out justified. I don't think the cop should be made out to be "out to get" anybody here (i.e., a murderer), especially based on race. That's just bullshit. As always, YMMV, just my opinion, man. You just answered your own question. You just said how dangerous a moving car was. So was he supposed to reach in through the window when the perp started the engine and put it in gear? No, he was supposed to go get in his own car. There was also already other cars there, or very close. He wasn't going to get away. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:27:37 AM EDT
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Now Mark O'Meara said that Tensing has to come up with 1 million all by himself (no bondsman)
No one is sure how much he has to put up
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:28:50 AM EDT
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$1,000,000 bond. Fuck... I don't know how bail bond places work. Will anyone be able to get him out? Start a GoFundMe? You give the entire amount to the court to hold, or you give a bondsman10% which you don't get back. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:31:39 AM EDT
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Now Mark O'Meara said that Tensing has to come up with 1 million all by himself (no bondsman) No one is sure how much he has to put up Meh, he might as well get used to it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:35:49 AM EDT
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Tensing's attorney just said it can be 10% of 1 million. That is how bond usually works. You provide 10% to a bond agency and they provide the rest. Of course you lose that 10% as their fee. *edited* someone already explained it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:38:22 AM EDT
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You just answered your own question. You just said how dangerous a moving car was. So was he supposed to reach in through the window when the perp started the engine and put it in gear? No, he was supposed to go get in his own car. There was also already other cars there, or very close. He wasn't going to get away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate the unarmed lie. He was armed with a 4000 pound weapon and was using it to seriously harm or kill the officer. B.S. He was obviously trying to drive away from the officer. Sure, but he was clearly planning to do a three-point turn in the nearest driveway and then come back and run over the heroic officer. I recently, and for the first time ever, got out of my vehicle while it was still in gear behind my place of employment, in the yard. I was just hitting the ground as it rolled.
That vehicle traveled maybe 2-3 feet, while I scrambled to get back into it. It was actually pretty hairy. I barely made into the vehicle to stop it. I actually felt like the vehicle had control of me. A moving vehicle is extremely dangerous (ban them!!). There was no way I could have ever tried to stop it, fought it in any way, or gotten out of there in good shape if I was stuck. I can see how the cop, who had acted professionally and calmly up to that point, would be fearful when an uncooperative, evasive, motorist starts the car and attempts to drive off while the cop is attempting to give an order to said evasive, fleeing motorist not to do so, in a split second, with his arms in and out of the vehicle. Given the training I suspect these guys go through, which likely includes covering situations like this, was he supposed to just step back and say "have a nice day", "catch up with you later", "oh well"? I don't know if it was an accident in a tough situation, a sincere perception of fear, bad judgment, or flat out justified. I don't think the cop should be made out to be "out to get" anybody here (i.e., a murderer), especially based on race. That's just bullshit. As always, YMMV, just my opinion, man. You just answered your own question. You just said how dangerous a moving car was. So was he supposed to reach in through the window when the perp started the engine and put it in gear? No, he was supposed to go get in his own car. There was also already other cars there, or very close. He wasn't going to get away. Actually, he ordered him to stop, which I suspect is normal. Things happened very fast. Trying to arm chair this is ridiculous. What happened, happened. He's just not a murderer, in my opinion. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:38:50 AM EDT
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In Florida he would get no bond (or at least, the State can ask for it by rule--where I once worked it was standard that any murder had no bond).
I have watched this video a few times. Honestly, I'm a huge supporter of LE. But I just can't come up with an argument to support this shoot. 1st degree murder? At least by Florida standards, probably not. But I think it's hovering between 2nd and manslaughter.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:40:27 AM EDT
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Deters, the prosecutor, is on Fox right now.
"He's a MURDERER" "I acted quickley" in charging the officer Good for you, pat yourself on the fucking back. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:41:52 AM EDT
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Deters, the prosecutor, is on Fox right now. "He's a MURDERER" So they have to prove that he had a plan to do so, or forethought, correct? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:42:05 AM EDT
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Prosecuter Joe Deters said he graduated from the university of Cincinatti twice. Commented on why the officer was on the ground " I don't know it could have been the recoil of the gun"
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:43:38 AM EDT
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Actually, he ordered him to stop, which I suspect is normal. Things happened very fast. Trying to arm chair this is ridiculous. What happened, happened. He's just not a murderer, in my opinion. If you saw someone else driving off in your car and you shot them in the head, (and you weren't in Texas), would you be a murderer? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:44:53 AM EDT
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$1,000,000 bond. Fuck... I don't know how bail bond places work. Will anyone be able to get him out? Start a GoFundMe? Guy's getting sacrificed to appease the mob
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:45:39 AM EDT
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Actually, he ordered him to stop, which I suspect is normal. Things happened very fast. Trying to arm chair this is ridiculous. What happened, happened. He's just not a murderer, in my opinion. If you saw someone else driving off in your car and you shot them in the head, (and you weren't in Texas), would you be a murderer? I have no idea. What does that have to do with this case? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:45:45 AM EDT
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Deters, the prosecutor, is on Fox right now. "He's a MURDERER" So they have to prove that he had a plan to do so, or forethought, correct? Crazy like a fox, man! Charge him with premeditated murder, the evidence proves otherwise, jury either votes not guilty or deadlocks, cop goes free. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:46:36 AM EDT
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Boom!
ETA: I lived in Ohio for the first 30 years of my life and I can tell you for SURE you will get pulled over for not having a front plate, by any department, at any time. I have personally been pulled over for it and so has just about everyone that I know. Classic cars / hot rods actually seem to get bothered less, ricers and young kids seem to get pulled over for it more frequently. Driving in the state of Ohio is a privilege not a right, anybody who disagrees with that has not yet dealt with the motor vehicle authorities in Ohio. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:46:43 AM EDT
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Crazy like a fox, man! Charge him with premeditated murder, the evidence proves otherwise, jury either votes not guilty or deadlocks, cop goes free. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Deters, the prosecutor, is on Fox right now. "He's a MURDERER" So they have to prove that he had a plan to do so, or forethought, correct? Crazy like a fox, man! Charge him with premeditated murder, the evidence proves otherwise, jury either votes not guilty or deadlocks, cop goes free. Or they convict him of a number of potential lesser-includeds. Like 2nd Degree Murder. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:50:53 AM EDT
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$1,000,000 bond. Fuck... I don't know how bail bond places work. Will anyone be able to get him out? Start a GoFundMe? Guy's getting sacrificed to appease the mob No shit This world we are living in is fucked.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:54:37 AM EDT
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Crazy like a fox, man! Charge him with premeditated murder, the evidence proves otherwise, jury either votes not guilty or deadlocks, cop goes free. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Deters, the prosecutor, is on Fox right now. "He's a MURDERER" So they have to prove that he had a plan to do so, or forethought, correct? Crazy like a fox, man! Charge him with premeditated murder, the evidence proves otherwise, jury either votes not guilty or deadlocks, cop goes free. He's not being charged with premeditated murder. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:55:08 AM EDT
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Deters, the prosecutor, is on Fox right now. "He's a MURDERER" So they have to prove that he had a plan to do so, or forethought, correct? Crazy like a fox, man! Charge him with premeditated murder, the evidence proves otherwise, jury either votes not guilty or deadlocks, cop goes free. Or they convict him of a number of potential lesser-includeds. Like 2nd Degree Murder. Well, the indictment as handed down by the GJ lists murder (2903.02,) along with voluntary manslaughter (2903.3.) (Ohio doesn't have 1st degree or 2nd degree, but instead aggravated murder (2903.01) and murder.) |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:56:05 AM EDT
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Boom! ETA: I lived in Ohio for the first 30 years of my life and I can tell you for SURE you will get pulled over for not having a front plate, by any department, at any time. I have personally been pulled over for it and so has just about everyone that I know. Classic cars / hot rods actually seem to get bothered less, ricers and young kids seem to get pulled over for it more frequently. Driving in the state of Ohio is a privilege not a right, anybody who disagrees with that has not yet dealt with the motor vehicle authorities in Ohio. I've only known the Highway Patrol to jam people up on the front plate. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:57:40 AM EDT
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Or they convict him of a number of potential lesser-includeds. Like 2nd Degree Murder. That's what he's facing. 2903.02(A) is probably what you'd call 2nd Murder |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:59:12 AM EDT
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If this cop gets convicted the citizens are making a statement that they would rather have a drunk guy fleeing in a car through thier streets than let an officer do his job give summary executions for attempting to flee that is the truth of it. Cop didn't want to be dragged, cop shoulda let go. Cop panicked and went straight to lethal force. Sorry, but we expect better of our police officers. Bad shoot. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:02:41 AM EDT
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If I was on the jury, I think I would have reasonable doubt as to manslaughter.
No way it's murder. Tough situation all around. There does need to be a serious beat down if a riot ensues. Eta, riot, not protests . Txl |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:03:51 AM EDT
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Cops go on fishing expeditions. I retrofit HID projectors in my Wrangler. One burned out, ordered replacement, but shipping would take a 3-5 days. University town is notorious for fishing, all I had to do to get pulled over 3 days (thurs-fri-sat) in a row was drive home from work at midnight. One particular night it was 58*, which is pretty cold for a topless Wrangler in shorts and a t-shirt, they asked me to do the roadside olympics and I refused, blew goose eggs and still had to get my Jeep from impound the next day. Jerkoffs.
If I'm driving late at night on college "drinking nights", I ONLY drive my Lexus because there are too many things for them to nitpick on my Jeep. Is it right, no... but they certainly get a lot of hits on things after the initial stop from doing it. If they didn't, they wouldn't fish. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:05:11 AM EDT
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If I was on the jury, I think I would have reasonable doubt as to manslaughter. No way it's murder. Tough situation all around. There does need to be a serious beat down if a riot ensues. Eta, riot, not protests . Txl Cincinnati won't have riots, we have the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:17:57 AM EDT
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If I was on the jury, I think I would have reasonable doubt as to manslaughter. No way it's murder. Tough situation all around. There does need to be a serious beat down if a riot ensues. Eta, riot, not protests . Txl Cincinnati won't have riots, we have the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center I haven't been there since it opened. I will never go to it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:19:03 AM EDT
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I haven't been there since it opened. I will never go to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I was on the jury, I think I would have reasonable doubt as to manslaughter. No way it's murder. Tough situation all around. There does need to be a serious beat down if a riot ensues. Eta, riot, not protests . Txl Cincinnati won't have riots, we have the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center I haven't been there since it opened. I will never go to it. I've never cared to go in there either. But I'm going to the Reds game Saturday so I'm really hoping there won't be anything going on. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:20:44 AM EDT
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Then when he runs over an innocent a block away we can hang the cop anyway because he "should have done something." Cops can't win. Fucking society is in full meltdown mode.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. According to Prosecutor Joe Deters the officer should of just let him drive away at that point. (Not being an ass, he really said that) Then when he runs over an innocent a block away we can hang the cop anyway because he "should have done something." Cops can't win. Fucking society is in full meltdown mode. .......smile and wave boys.........smile and wave..... 
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Posted: 7/30/2015 11:26:41 AM EDT
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I have no idea. What does that have to do with this case? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, he ordered him to stop, which I suspect is normal. Things happened very fast. Trying to arm chair this is ridiculous. What happened, happened. He's just not a murderer, in my opinion. If you saw someone else driving off in your car and you shot them in the head, (and you weren't in Texas), would you be a murderer? I have no idea. What does that have to do with this case? You don't just get to shoot people, and neither do the cops. If you do, it's murder. |
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