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Posted: 7/21/2015 7:35:07 PM EDT
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If he was armed...good. However...how long until the administration tries to fuck his family out of his benefits for violating regulations? Page 2 says R0N, the Marine's commander, already addressed that issue. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 7:36:08 PM EDT
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OH NO UNACCEPTABLE ARTICLE 15 RIGHT NOW REPORT TO EXTRA DUTY SHITBAG
 
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Posted: 7/21/2015 7:36:59 PM EDT
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There is some stuff that will probably come out in tomorrows press conference The Marine in question did save others lives by re-entering the HTC's fenced area and preventing the Jihadi from following the group that went over the fence. Awesome, thank you much for sharing. S/F |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 7:40:25 PM EDT
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If it's true, they should prosecute the Marine posthumously for some violation of UCMJ. /sarcasm
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Posted: 7/21/2015 7:45:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2015 7:51:42 PM EDT
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Thank you for that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is some stuff that will probably come out in tomorrows press conference The Marine in question did save others lives by re-entering the HTC's fenced area and preventing the Jihadi from following the group that went over the fence. Thank you for that |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 7:57:47 PM EDT
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They know , they just haven't got their stories together of how they want to present this. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 7:58:01 PM EDT
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If the Marine capped the guy we will never know.
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Posted: 7/21/2015 8:17:57 PM EDT
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If the Marine capped the guy we will never know. We will know. There are Arfcommers close to those events, as I understand it. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 8:30:49 PM EDT
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Obama will want to Court Martial the dead Marine. you went full derp |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 8:45:10 PM EDT
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There is some stuff that will probably come out in tomorrows press conference The Marine in question did save others lives by re-entering the HTC's fenced area and preventing the Jihadi from following the group that went over the fence. Should we meet, beer is on me. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 8:49:44 PM EDT
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There is some stuff that will probably come out in tomorrows press conference The Marine in question did save others lives by re-entering the HTC's fenced area and preventing the Jihadi from following the group that went over the fence. HTC? |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 8:52:13 PM EDT
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If Glock was there and didn't kill the shooter this will be used to say "see a CCW or weapon at the scene of the shooting doesn't make a difference" "this was a trained professional and he couldn't stop the shooter so how can a citizen CCW'er possibly make any difference?" Wish the Marines did have guns and did return fire and did kill the bastard. You mean something like what happened in Texas at the prophet drawing? |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 8:59:09 PM EDT
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The FBI will put more effort into investigating the possibility that one the Marines had an unauthorized firearm in their possession than they will into investigating the Muslim shooter. Sad, but true. Obama will make sure the overtime hours flow for that facet of the investigation, I'm sure. 
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Posted: 7/21/2015 8:59:10 PM EDT
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This small bit of news take a little of the edge off.
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:02:43 PM EDT
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You know the LEO will want the glory on this one, so even if the Marine did get the guy, it would not fit any narrative the administration, media, or most law enforcement would agree with.
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:04:03 PM EDT
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"See! being armed didn't help and return fire was only dangerous to bystanders!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My spider sense is tingling. "See! being armed didn't help and return fire was only dangerous to bystanders!" FBHO and the DOJ need to put a stop to all this "let them be armed" talk. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:07:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he was armed...good. However...how long until the administration tries to fuck his family out of his benefits for violating regulations? |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:08:33 PM EDT
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Died a warrior, weapon in hand. There is a place at the table in Valhalla for this Marine. Ti Valhall |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:19:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: HTC? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is some stuff that will probably come out in tomorrows press conference The Marine in question did save others lives by re-entering the HTC's fenced area and preventing the Jihadi from following the group that went over the fence. HTC?  ETA. Edited for correctness |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:23:53 PM EDT
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HTC, home training center, years ago HTCs were Reserve Training Centers but that change in 2004 to HTCs
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:28:06 PM EDT
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I wouldn't doubt he may have hesitated due to a fear of "getting in trouble" for having an unauthorized POW in the office.
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:29:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:04:14 PM EDT
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If true, what's to say he didn't? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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huh. If true, too bad the marine wasn't able to cap the guy. If true, what's to say he didn't? The shooter went back outside of the building, ran into woods next to the Navy Reserve building and had a shoot out with the police. A good sign the Marine didn't cap the guy, just wounded him at best. Still, I'll bet that having rounds returned on him convinced the shooter to leave the building instead of going through all the offices and shooting everyone in the building. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:23:27 PM EDT
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You know the LEO will want the glory on this one, so even if the Marine did get the guy, it would not fit any narrative the administration, media, or most law enforcement would agree with. DERP. The autopsy is a matter of public record / will be a matter of public record. Even if the Jihadist was only wounded by 9mm and eventually KIA by 45 or 556 its still a win for troops carrying for self defense. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:28:59 PM EDT
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And then there are people like you that despise the fact an LEO may have actually done something brave or heroic.
This narrative goes against the arfcom wet dream of good for nothing coward JBTs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You know the LEO will want the glory on this one, so even if the Marine did get the guy, it would not fit any narrative the administration, media, or most law enforcement would agree with. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 11:01:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I already signed off on the Line of Duty investigation prior to the FBI primary report. Either way we caulking the guns up to guns stored in cars. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And the next part will be "federal investigators are trying to determine if they can charge the dead Marine with carrying a weapon on federal property". Yup. Wonder if SGLI will fuck his family over this. No, I already signed off on the Line of Duty investigation prior to the FBI primary report. Either way we caulking the guns up to guns stored in cars.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 11:17:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FBHO and the DOJ need to put a stop to all this "let them be armed" talk. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My spider sense is tingling. "See! being armed didn't help and return fire was only dangerous to bystanders!" FBHO and the DOJ need to put a stop to all this "let them be armed" talk. are you advocating for them not to be armed ? |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 6:23:21 AM EDT
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Fox news has this now. They're saying that a Navy officer, LCDR White, also fired back with his personal sidearm.
The Marine definitely returned fire, if the Glock was his. The Glock had been fired. Fox news report It is against Defense Department policy for anyone but military police or law enforcement to carry weapons on federal property. It was not immediately clear whether White would face disciplinary action. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 6:28:55 AM EDT
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Fox news has this now. They're saying that a Navy officer, Lt. White, also fired back with his personal sidearm. The Marine definitely returned fire, if the Glock was his. The Glock had been fired. Fox news report Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fox news has this now. They're saying that a Navy officer, Lt. White, also fired back with his personal sidearm. The Marine definitely returned fire, if the Glock was his. The Glock had been fired. Fox news report It is against Defense Department policy for anyone but military police or law enforcement to carry weapons on federal property. It was not immediately clear whether White would face disciplinary action. Was not his Glock, it belong to another one of the Marines who handed it to him |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 6:31:22 AM EDT
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Nevermind. Someone who actually knows what is going on is doing good things.
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Posted: 7/22/2015 6:35:10 AM EDT
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Was not his Glock, it belong to another one of the Marines who handed it to him Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fox news has this now. They're saying that a Navy officer, Lt. White, also fired back with his personal sidearm. The Marine definitely returned fire, if the Glock was his. The Glock had been fired. Fox news report It is against Defense Department policy for anyone but military police or law enforcement to carry weapons on federal property. It was not immediately clear whether White would face disciplinary action. Was not his Glock, it belong to another one of the Marines who handed it to him Sir, thank you... 
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Posted: 7/22/2015 6:36:48 AM EDT
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nvm.
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Nevermind. Someone who actually knows what is going on is doing good things. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 6:51:53 AM EDT
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Tagging for more info as it becomes available.
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Posted: 7/22/2015 6:54:06 AM EDT
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I wouldn't doubt he may have hesitated due to a fear of "getting in trouble" for having an unauthorized POW in the office. Honestly? I can't see it. All the Marines I've ever met and got to know would've attempted to empty their magazine first to stop the threat, and dealt with the consequences later. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 7:02:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly? I can't see it. All the Marines I've ever met and got to know would've attempted to empty their magazine first to stop the threat, and dealt with the consequences later. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wouldn't doubt he may have hesitated due to a fear of "getting in trouble" for having an unauthorized POW in the office. Honestly? I can't see it. All the Marines I've ever met and got to know would've attempted to empty their magazine first to stop the threat, and dealt with the consequences later. I'd pretty much guarantee he didn't worry about ramifications. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 7:13:09 AM EDT
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R0N I am eternally sorry for the loss of your Marines. I hope you know that your actions in taking care of the affairs of those who met the enemy to give others the ability to escape speak infinitely to the honor, courage, and commitment of the organization you lead. I hope that your example gives strength to those officers, enlisted, and civilians who question the "right thing to do" when the war follows us home. You guys embody what the Corps is made of. RIP marines.
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Posted: 7/22/2015 7:16:52 AM EDT
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I'd pretty much guarantee he didn't worry about ramifications. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wouldn't doubt he may have hesitated due to a fear of "getting in trouble" for having an unauthorized POW in the office. Honestly? I can't see it. All the Marines I've ever met and got to know would've attempted to empty their magazine first to stop the threat, and dealt with the consequences later. I'd pretty much guarantee he didn't worry about ramifications. I am 100% positive if it was my son he wouldn't give a damn about consequences if he could have saved one life...  RIP Marines...
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Posted: 7/22/2015 7:32:23 AM EDT
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Thanks RON for the accurate updated information.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 8:29:02 AM EDT
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Thanks RON for the accurate updated information. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 8:43:17 AM EDT
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The posters saying the investigators don't know what they are about are all wet. They know exactly what they are doing. Figuring out a way to spin this in the most politically expedient fashion possible. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 8:43:26 AM EDT
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It is not Lt. White, it is Lt. Commander White. Big difference. Lt. Commander White was the C.O. of the Naval Operations Support Center, and used his personal firearm to engage the attacker. The Devil Dog also engaged the shooter and died fighting.
God Bless both of them! A CO that says "Fuck the rules, I will defend my people!" is my kind of CO. Make him an Admiral. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 8:44:29 AM EDT
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R0N I am eternally sorry for the loss of your Marines. I hope you know that your actions in taking care of the affairs of those who met the enemy to give others the ability to escape speak infinitely to the honor, courage, and commitment of the organization you lead. I hope that your example gives strength to those officers, enlisted, and civilians who question the "right thing to do" when the war follows us home. You guys embody what the Corps is made of. RIP marines. Well said! |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 8:51:29 AM EDT
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To Valhalla
Semper Fi |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 9:58:53 AM EDT
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Well said! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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R0N I am eternally sorry for the loss of your Marines. I hope you know that your actions in taking care of the affairs of those who met the enemy to give others the ability to escape speak infinitely to the honor, courage, and commitment of the organization you lead. I hope that your example gives strength to those officers, enlisted, and civilians who question the "right thing to do" when the war follows us home. You guys embody what the Corps is made of. RIP marines. Well said! Very. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 10:03:59 AM EDT
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I am sure he returned fire and hit the snack bar in the fruit roll up.
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Posted: 7/22/2015 10:27:10 AM EDT
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R0N I am eternally sorry for the loss of your Marines. I hope you know that your actions in taking care of the affairs of those who met the enemy to give others the ability to escape speak infinitely to the honor, courage, and commitment of the organization you lead. I hope that your example gives strength to those officers, enlisted, and civilians who question the "right thing to do" when the war follows us home. You guys embody what the Corps is made of. RIP marines. RIP Marines. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 10:49:09 AM EDT
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LEO and Marines are doing a press conference at 1200 local time. The division commander will act as the Marine Corps spokesman
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Posted: 7/22/2015 10:59:53 AM EDT
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They know , they just haven't got their stories together of how they want to present this. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 11:14:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Died a warrior, weapon in hand. There is a place at the table in Valhalla for this Marine. |
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