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Not inserts - the whole bed is made of fiberglass. Impervious to rust, no matter how badly you beat the crap out of the bed. I was skeptical, but after carrying many loads of gravel dropped into the bed from decent height, I was sold. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm not down with chintzy plastic insert beds. F150 In any case I don't like it. Quit liking things I don't like. It IS cheap as fuck. You cant even compare it to metal bed with turboliner or linex bedliner. |
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Get the F150, 5.0L or 2.7L EcoBoost. Don't waste your money on the 3.5L EcoBoost, the 2.7 blows it away.
If it were me, I'd get the 5.0L, it's an outstanding motor that is capable of quite a bit and still gets good mileage. If you really want twin turbos. put them on the 5.0L |
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F150 in a heartbeat. You will like it and never look back. I promise you on that. I'll even bet you a membership on it.
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I'm looking to buy a new truck also. I was gonna buy brand new, but they are still too much $$$. Will probably end up with a 2011-2013 model F150.
From all the research I've done, I'm definitely going with the 5.0L. For something that costs $25K+, I'll likely keep it a decade, and find it hard to trust the ecoboost setup with that much age on it. I also don't tow much, although I will admit having that much low end torque would be awesome |
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Quoted: Super mad. How are those doors working for you, today? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: umad cause XJ's are awesome? Or the cramped inside. My fucking dog rakes his back on the roof of mine when he stands up. |
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I'm looking to buy a new truck also. I was gonna buy brand new, but they are still too much $$$. Will probably end up with a 2011-2013 model F150. View Quote look for a closeout 2014 model new -- banks will finance at a way better rate if your taking a loan and they really aren't that much more than a recent used model, especially with the difference in the interest rate and cost of ownership as the newer trucks have better gas efficiency. as for the OP -- I have the 3.5L Ecoboost, I wanted the 2.7 just for the extra city gas efficiency but it gets the extra mpg from shutting itself off when it idles at stops which seems like another feature that could end up costing money to fix when something goes wrong with it. I got the 3.5 though because it was the only 2015 they had on the lot and I needed a vehicle that weekend. |
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I would say it is a toss up... I have an 06 4 door Offroad Tacoma. I love the thing. My dad has a '13 3.5 Ecoboost F150 (4 door). It is a really nice truck. Tons of room in the cab. The truck is quite a bit bigger than my Tacoma. I really like the F150 and would love to have a Raptor, but I do not need a truck that big for every day driving. My Tacoma is the perfect size for me. It really comes down to what you want to use the truck for. I use my Tacoma like a truck. I haul all kinds of stuff. I have even had the bed full of dirt above the side rails. It is very rare that I actually NEED a truck the size of an F150. When I do, I just use my dads.
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I've had a Tacoma since 09 (bought new). Double cab 6' bed. No problems except for CD player dying, which was fixed under warranty. I later bought and 08 Expedition and have driven a friends '10 F150 quite a bit.
I feel cramped in the Tacoma. The driving position is pretty low. The Expedition/F150 position feels right. If you think you might sell shorter term, Taco. Drive till wheels fall off, F150. I've considered selling the Taco for an F150. Btw I'm 5'10" 145 so I'm not a huge guy. |
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Engine will depend greatly on how much towing you do. I've driven both the 5.0 and 3.5EB in the F150's a fair amount.
If you don't tow at all, and don't have a lead foot, the 2.7 will get the best mileage. Its also a very new engine, so it has no track record. Between the 3.5 and 5.0..... The 5.0 gets a hair better mileage compared to the 3.5, and has comparable horse power. However the 3.5 has better torque, and hits max torque at a very low rpm. It hits 90% of torque at 1700rpm. The 3.5 also costs more. I went with the 3.5EB because I do tow fairly heavy trailers up to 10000 elevation, and turbo charged engines handle the altitude a lot better vs standard engines. |
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Why is tundra not an option
It all comes down to what size you want, everything else will even out |
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The Tacoma topic is beat to fucking death here I know, but my V8 Silverado is nearing 200K and I'm trying to decide on a replacement. Not a fan of GM or Chrysler products these days. Want an extended cab 4x4 and better gas mileage, and a vehicle I can expect to go another 200K miles. Engine power is nice for zipping around distracted drivers on the freeway, but takes a backseat to better mileage. No major towing requirements currently. The Tacos are easy to choose from for my requirements, but the F150 has 3 different motor options I'd like a wider opinion on. FYI, insurance on all are pretty much the same. And completely unrelated but as promised, a little SBR porn (awaiting a Specwar currently in ATF jail): http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p401/lightfoot007_bucket/pbsbr/pbsbr01_zpsp3kcnghf.jpg View Quote Poll fail. No 5.0 F150. Likely to be the longest lasting (and versatile) motor option ford offers on normal f150's. |
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F-150. I've got an 09 that I have beat the snot out of and it keeps asking for more.
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Quoted: Only because Jap shit wont even start up to get out of the garage... OP, go Ford all the way! Fuck that Jap shit! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Once it warms up around here, the sides of the highways will once again be littered with Fords. OP, go Ford all the way! Fuck that Jap shit! |
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I've owned a lot of Toyotas, from an FJ40 thru two Tacomas. Mine were the most reliable vehicles I've ever owned. was really interested in a Super Cab 6 1/2 F150 with the 2.7EB. Until I discovered no new F150 is available with a manual trans. Have an 04 F250 8-foot bed regular cab with the V10 and 5-speed now. Guess I'm gonna keep it while longer. Awful mileage, but a damn nice truck.
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I voted 3.5 V6 F150. But I'm biased. I own a 2013 XLT with the Eco. It's been the best truck I've ever owned.
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I've owned a lot of Toyotas, from an FJ40 thru two Tacomas. Mine were the most reliable vehicles I've ever owned. was really interested in a Super Cab 6 1/2 F150 with the 2.7EB. Until I discovered no new F150 is available with a manual trans. Have an 04 F250 8-foot bed regular cab with the V10 and 5-speed now. Guess I'm gonna keep it while longer. Awful mileage, but a damn nice truck. View Quote I think the days of manuals in trucks 350/3500 size and below are just memories now |
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My brother and I bought trucks within two weeks of each other. He got his 15 F150 that he ordered what seemed like a billion years ago, and I picked up a left of 14 F150. Both ecoboost, but his was much snappier (more than I thought the 700lbs can be attributed to), and get a bit better mileage. Now he brought his to livernois for a tune and some exhaust work and he is not putting down 20-23mpg at 70mph, while I'm knocking down 19. I'm biased, but after pulling a trailer to Kansas and back and having a bit of drag race with a normal gas full sized truck, the ecoboost has made me a believer.
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My work (G) ride is a '14 F150 CC short bed 4x4 My POV is a '14 Tacoma TRD OffRoad DCSB 4x4 Tacoma is the shits for off road and tight quarters, slightly better MPG F150 is the shits when on the highway Apples to pears comparison. If length isn't a issue, my Tacoma is the best off road trail vehicle I've owned hands down, short of a side by side or atv. This is coming from someone who owned several 4x4's (FJ40, CJ7, CJ5, LJ, and others). As far as the F150 goes, I love the room. The only other truck that fit that bill was a Tundra I test drove a few years ago. Everything else is splitting hairs. View Quote If Ford offered a smaller truck, options would be different. The F150 would be more internal room than I really need. Realizing this, the Tundra isn't on my list because the Tacoma does what I need at a lower price point. I'm mostly a highway driver, offroad occasionally for recreational pursuits. Thanks, helpful post. |
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The Tacoma may be small... but at least it's not a goddamn ford.
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Quoted: That is misinformation. For one thing, the Tundra isn't made entirely in the USA. It has a 75% domestic parts content, but so do the Ford F-150, Chevy Corvette, Dodge Caravan, Chevy Traverse, and Dodge Avenger, to name a few. The Tacoma only has a 60% domestic parts content. I think it's sad that so many Americans have spent the past 40 years flushing our manufacturing infrastructure down the toilet just for an extra dose of perceived quality from the foreign brands. Personally, I think Americans that buy foreign vehicles, knowing the negative economic implications of doing so (just look at the erosion of our middle class since the foreign automakers began having success here) are basically scumbags for making that decision, and I will boycott any business that uses foreign brand vehicles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: IIRC, Toyota trucks are the only autos made entirely in the USA That is misinformation. For one thing, the Tundra isn't made entirely in the USA. It has a 75% domestic parts content, but so do the Ford F-150, Chevy Corvette, Dodge Caravan, Chevy Traverse, and Dodge Avenger, to name a few. The Tacoma only has a 60% domestic parts content. I think it's sad that so many Americans have spent the past 40 years flushing our manufacturing infrastructure down the toilet just for an extra dose of perceived quality from the foreign brands. Personally, I think Americans that buy foreign vehicles, knowing the negative economic implications of doing so (just look at the erosion of our middle class since the foreign automakers began having success here) are basically scumbags for making that decision, and I will boycott any business that uses foreign brand vehicles. |
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Engine will depend greatly on how much towing you do. I've driven both the 5.0 and 3.5EB in the F150's a fair amount. If you don't tow at all, and don't have a lead foot, the 2.7 will get the best mileage. Its also a very new engine, so it has no track record. Between the 3.5 and 5.0..... The 5.0 gets a hair better mileage compared to the 3.5, and has comparable horse power. However the 3.5 has better torque, and hits max torque at a very low rpm. It hits 90% of torque at 1700rpm. The 3.5 also costs more. I went with the 3.5EB because I do tow fairly heavy trailers up to 10000 elevation, and turbo charged engines handle the altitude a lot better vs standard engines. View Quote I'm a little skeptical of the 2.7. The auto start/stop sounds like a failure point, but can be deactivated. With a motor that small, how much am I going to engage turbo? Every freeway onramp? Guess I should drive one... Truck will mostly be a daily driver, used offroad for recreation only. According to the official data the 5.0 is getting 15/21 City/Highway. Change the options on drivetrain and the 2.7 EB gets 18/23, the 3.5 EB gets 17/23, and the non-EB 3.5 gets 17/23. That doesn't jive with your 5.0 mileage claim. Not calling BS on you (would not surprise me if Ford slants numbers in their favor), but I'm curious why your numbers are different than Ford's. FWIW, I still have the window sticker from my Silverado which claimed 14/18. These days, for me, 14mpg is what I'm seeing. |
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You're in Michigan... close enough for you to take a look at the offerings of Fairway Ford in Canfield Ohio.
You WON'T find a better deal on a new F150. It is worth the drive. They had the truck I wanted, and someone claimed it. I called dozens of dealers with the exact specs and their price and every one of the dealers said "We can't come close to that price. I don't know how they can offer it that low. If you can get the truck from them from that price, you need to buy it off of them." The buyer luckily backed out and I got my truck. Don't be afraid of Ford's MSRP price. It's kept high so they can continually adjust prices/inventory by adding and removing incentives every month. |
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You're in Michigan... close enough for you to take a look at the offerings of Fairway Ford in Canfield Ohio. You WON'T find a better deal on a new F150. It is worth the drive. They had the truck I wanted, and someone claimed it. I called dozens of dealers with the exact specs and their price and every one of the dealers said "We can't come close to that price. I don't know how they can offer it that low. If you can get the truck from them from that price, you need to buy it off of them." The buyer luckily backed out and I got my truck. Don't be afraid of Ford's MSRP price. It's kept high so they can continually adjust prices/inventory by adding and removing incentives every month. View Quote That's a several-hour drive for me, but thanks for the tip. I'll check them out. |
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I just bought a 2015 DCSB OR Tacoma. I didn't even bother looking at the domestics. I missed my 4Runner that much. The people pissing about the size of the Tacoma are probably in a Gen. 1. The Gen. 2 is practically the same size as 1/2 tons from 10-15 years ago. The new full size trucks are factory brodozers IMO.
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I got the F150 SCab with the 5.0 L and have been very happy with it. Averages 17 to 18 mpg, a guy at work has the 3.5 Ecoboost and he gets 16 to 17 mpg. I hear ya, but I get about 16 in my Ecoboost, but that's only because it is so difficult to keep my foot off the floor.It is so much fun to drive, it drives like a sports sedan. I've owned 2 Tacomas in my life, and there is absolutely no comparison. Same size engine, but it's not even fair to talk about them in the same sentence. The Ecoboost hauls fucking ass and tows anything with ease. |
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I had an 4.6 L F150 for 16 years, really liked it, put over 200,000 on it and only had a few problems.
Traded it in 16 months ago on a Tacoma I had to order. I got a 2014 TRD Offroad V6 4x4, with the 4x4 the mileage is just less than the Ford, I thought it would be. I really like this truck, it really holds it's value, could sell it today and make lot's of money on it. The Tacoma's are hard to find when you start looking for the TRD models and 4x4, they get top dollar for them. The price was still less than the F150 my brother bought about nine months before I bought the Tacoma. He got a decent F150 with the larger V8. A few negatives on the Tacoma, stero just sucks, get the base entune and upgrade. The cruise control is not on the steering wheel, on the column, some of the interior switches don't illuminate at night. |
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Sorry man, the Frontier is a joke, I looked at it and went with the Tacoma.
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I hear ya, but I get about 16 in my Ecoboost, but that's only because it is so difficult to keep my foot off the floor.It is so much fun to drive, it drives like a sports sedan. I've owned 2 Tacomas in my life, and there is absolutely no comparison. Same size engine, but it's not even fair to talk about them in the same sentence. The Ecoboost hauls fucking ass and tows anything with ease. View Quote My kids love when I spool the turbos and put the pedal to the floor -- they shout "ECO BOOOOOOST" whenever I do it I drive pretty close to the speed limit on cruise most of the time though, and I'm getting the advertised 19 mpg. |
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My kids love when I spool the turbos and put the pedal to the floor -- they shout "ECO BOOOOOOST" whenever I do it I drive pretty close to the speed limit on cruise most of the time though, and I'm getting the advertised 19 mpg. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I hear ya, but I get about 16 in my Ecoboost, but that's only because it is so difficult to keep my foot off the floor.It is so much fun to drive, it drives like a sports sedan. I've owned 2 Tacomas in my life, and there is absolutely no comparison. Same size engine, but it's not even fair to talk about them in the same sentence. The Ecoboost hauls fucking ass and tows anything with ease. My kids love when I spool the turbos and put the pedal to the floor -- they shout "ECO BOOOOOOST" whenever I do it I drive pretty close to the speed limit on cruise most of the time though, and I'm getting the advertised 19 mpg. I added a tune from MPT to mine a few weeks ago. Absolutely incredible power. It was scary fast before, but it's off the leash now. $500 for 50 horses and 80 lb ft of torque. Getting better MPG too, if I keep my right foot from spazzing. |
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That is misinformation. For one thing, the Tundra isn't made entirely in the USA. It has a 75% domestic parts content, but so do the Ford F-150, Chevy Corvette, Dodge Caravan, Chevy Traverse, and Dodge Avenger, to name a few. The Tacoma only has a 60% domestic parts content. I think it's sad that so many Americans have spent the past 40 years flushing our manufacturing infrastructure down the toilet just for an extra dose of perceived quality from the foreign brands. Personally, I think Americans that buy foreign vehicles, knowing the negative economic implications of doing so (just look at the erosion of our middle class since the foreign automakers began having success here) are basically scumbags for making that decision, and I will boycott any business that uses foreign brand vehicles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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IIRC, Toyota trucks are the only autos made entirely in the USA That is misinformation. For one thing, the Tundra isn't made entirely in the USA. It has a 75% domestic parts content, but so do the Ford F-150, Chevy Corvette, Dodge Caravan, Chevy Traverse, and Dodge Avenger, to name a few. The Tacoma only has a 60% domestic parts content. I think it's sad that so many Americans have spent the past 40 years flushing our manufacturing infrastructure down the toilet just for an extra dose of perceived quality from the foreign brands. Personally, I think Americans that buy foreign vehicles, knowing the negative economic implications of doing so (just look at the erosion of our middle class since the foreign automakers began having success here) are basically scumbags for making that decision, and I will boycott any business that uses foreign brand vehicles. Dude, Huffing Paint kills brains cells.....so stop. |
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I'm a little skeptical of the 2.7. The auto start/stop sounds like a failure point, but can be deactivated. With a motor that small, how much am I going to engage turbo? Every freeway onramp? Guess I should drive one... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I'm a little skeptical of the 2.7. The auto start/stop sounds like a failure point, but can be deactivated. With a motor that small, how much am I going to engage turbo? Every freeway onramp? Guess I should drive one... I'm skeptical of any new engine myself Truck will mostly be a daily driver, used offroad for recreation only. According to the official data the 5.0 is getting 15/21 City/Highway. Change the options on drivetrain and the 2.7 EB gets 18/23, the 3.5 EB gets 17/23, and the non-EB 3.5 gets 17/23. That doesn't jive with your 5.0 mileage claim. Not calling BS on you (would not surprise me if Ford slants numbers in their favor), but I'm curious why your numbers are different than Ford's. Keep in mind I live above 5000ft elevation. That may effect real world performance and MPG. Also, my truck with the 3.5 EB is still pretty new and breaking in, so my results may change over time. My friend with the 5.0 has about 15000 miles on it, so its pretty broken in at this point. I will say the best freeway MPG I've seen to date on mine is about 19, and I'm fairly gentle on the gas. Getting 23 MPG would make my day. FWIW, I still have the window sticker from my Silverado which claimed 14/18. These days, for me, 14mpg is what I'm seeing. Yeah, I think a lot of the EPA estimates are crap at best. |
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F150 is the only logical choice. 2.7 Ecoboost is badass. I read a comparo in Motortrend not long ago...the 2.7 absolutely destroyed the Silverado 5.3 in acceleration and economy runs both empty and while towing. The margin was wider when towing than empty. I think the 3.5 Ecoboost would be overkill unless you plan on towing a lot.
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You're in Michigan... close enough for you to take a look at the offerings of Fairway Ford in Canfield Ohio. You WON'T find a better deal on a new F150. It is worth the drive. They had the truck I wanted, and someone claimed it. I called dozens of dealers with the exact specs and their price and every one of the dealers said "We can't come close to that price. I don't know how they can offer it that low. If you can get the truck from them from that price, you need to buy it off of them." The buyer luckily backed out and I got my truck. Don't be afraid of Ford's MSRP price. It's kept high so they can continually adjust prices/inventory by adding and removing incentives every month. View Quote And what people don't understand is that MSRP price screws you forever when it comes to registration and plates as that is how they figure the tax. [fee] It really doesn't matter what you really pay, pay 15 grand less then MSRP and you'll still be paying the yearly fee on MSRP instead. |
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