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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:37:06 AM EDT
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snip Without arguing with you and wanting to learn a new point of view...can you explain to me what we should do in lieu of having a modern police force? |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:38:20 AM EDT
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......they use their nearly limitless power.... The stupid, it hurts!!! |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:41:51 AM EDT
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New Orleans  Above. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:43:36 AM EDT
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Around here, both the trash pickup and drivers license bureau are run by private companies. It's funny because "waiting in line at the DMV" isn't even a thing anymore because of the improvements in efficiency made by these private companies.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:46:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The stupid, it hurts!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ......they use their nearly limitless power.... The stupid, it hurts!!! Still, nearly limitless implies that there's room for improvement. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:46:54 AM EDT
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I can only assume that a lot of people in this thread don't realise how recent the idea of police is. The first government police didn't happen until mid 1700s in England. Prior to that, if someone assaulted you, robbed you, etc. then you (and your friends) tracked him down and took him to court. You both presented your cases and the judge made a decision. Cities made this harder since there was a good chance you wouldn't know the criminal. People pooled funds to employ watchmen who would try to catch them in the act. Bounty hunters (often ex criminals) could locate your criminal for a fee. Some large cities started using public funds to pay for watchmen in the 1700s. Regulation of watchmen and bounty hunters would eventually become police. Laws, courts and prisons existed for centuries without police. TL;DR police is a city thing, everyone else was fine without them. Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:47:09 AM EDT
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Around here, both the trash pickup and drivers license bureau are run by private companies. It's funny because "waiting in line at the DMV" isn't even a thing anymore because of the improvements in efficiency made by these private companies. In NJ we had the most horrible political private DMV system, now the State runs it an d it is in and out, we just got private trash pick up.... we are limited to one trash container that works on their automated trash truck |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:47:35 AM EDT
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Around here, both the trash pickup and drivers license bureau are run by private companies. It's funny because "waiting in line at the DMV" isn't even a thing anymore because of the improvements in efficiency made by these private companies. We don't have trash pickup. Once a week I load it into the truck and haul it down to the county colllection station. The DMV is online, the last time I was there was (iirc) 1987 
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:49:29 AM EDT
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Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can only assume that a lot of people in this thread don't realise how recent the idea of police is. The first government police didn't happen until mid 1700s in England. Prior to that, if someone assaulted you, robbed you, etc. then you (and your friends) tracked him down and took him to court. You both presented your cases and the judge made a decision. Cities made this harder since there was a good chance you wouldn't know the criminal. People pooled funds to employ watchmen who would try to catch them in the act. Bounty hunters (often ex criminals) could locate your criminal for a fee. Some large cities started using public funds to pay for watchmen in the 1700s. Regulation of watchmen and bounty hunters would eventually become police. Laws, courts and prisons existed for centuries without police. TL;DR police is a city thing, everyone else was fine without them. Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. I thought the Chinese beat them by about 500 years?... with their "Constables" |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:49:36 AM EDT
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I'd definitely need more ammo
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:50:11 AM EDT
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Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can only assume that a lot of people in this thread don't realise how recent the idea of police is. The first government police didn't happen until mid 1700s in England. Prior to that, if someone assaulted you, robbed you, etc. then you (and your friends) tracked him down and took him to court. You both presented your cases and the judge made a decision. Cities made this harder since there was a good chance you wouldn't know the criminal. People pooled funds to employ watchmen who would try to catch them in the act. Bounty hunters (often ex criminals) could locate your criminal for a fee. Some large cities started using public funds to pay for watchmen in the 1700s. Regulation of watchmen and bounty hunters would eventually become police. Laws, courts and prisons existed for centuries without police. TL;DR police is a city thing, everyone else was fine without them. Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. Negative---organized LE existed in some Chinese kingdoms and the city-states of Greece before Roman times. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:50:38 AM EDT
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" negative impacts on individuals and communities, with little to no social benefit. Within the communities most affected, police hamper economic mobility"
"economic mobility"? Let me guess...............................Manufacturing and sales of drugs? Pimping and prostitution? Fencing stolen property? Scamming the welfare and EBT systems? Bootlegging and sales of counterfeit goods? |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:51:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Above. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: New Orleans Above. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:53:06 AM EDT
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Ancient Rome had no police. Citizens were expected to police themselves, and they did. Crime was quite rare, although there was frequent violence by our standards for other reasons. The Vigiles or more properly the Vigiles Urbani ("watchmen of the City") or Cohortes Vigilum ("cohorts of the watchmen") were the firefighters and police of Ancient Rome. the Vigiles were the nightwatch of Rome. Their duties included apprehending thieves and robbers and capturing runaway slaves. The task of guarding the baths was added as a duty of the Vigiles during the reign of Alexander Severus when the baths remained open during the night. They dealt primarily with petty crimes and looked for disturbances of the peace while they patrolled the streets. Sedition, riots and violent crimes were handled by the Cohortes urbanae and (to a lesser extent) the Praetorian Guard, though Vigiles could provide a supporting role in these situations. The Vigiles were considered a para-military unit and their organisation into cohorts and centuries reflects this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigiles |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:54:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Vigiles Urbani frown on your knowledge of Roman history. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ancient Rome had no police. Citizens were expected to police themselves, and they did. Crime was quite rare, although there was frequent violence by our standards for other reasons. The Vigiles Urbani frown on your knowledge of Roman history. Veritas. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:58:10 AM EDT
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It isn't necessary to imagine a world without police. Organized police forces are a recent development in human history, a fact which people would know if they read some. Complex civilizations which included very large cities have existed without police. Other methods of social control worked for those societies. Whether it would be possible for the current society to exist without police will never be known. And such alternative methods worked quite well; provided you were a member of a prominent family, or a large clan. If you happened to disagree w/ the local vigilance committee, have a falling out w/ the local secular or religious leaders, or be the first person the mob saw leaving the area of a brutal crime; your life could get very ugly, very quickly. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:07:23 AM EDT
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" negative impacts on individuals and communities, with little to no social benefit. Within the communities most affected, police hamper economic mobility" "economic mobility"? Let me guess...............................Manufacturing and sales of drugs? Pimping and prostitution? Fencing stolen property? Scamming the welfare and EBT systems? Bootlegging and sales of counterfeit goods? By Jove, he's got it!!! Look at the death of Atlantic City, casinos closing, the local .gov has been run by a gang for years, yup the last mayor was from a gang. As were several on council, numerous arrests of municipal workers for selling drugs, same gang. Diverting contracts to gang owned business..... |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:10:00 AM EDT
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The "police are a recent thing" folks are always good for a laugh.
There has ALWAYS been some form of central authority in place. Either troops designated to the task or a couple guys with swords that answered to the local potentate. Whenever there are common rules in place there is a method of enforcing it. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:12:11 AM EDT
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The "police are a recent thing" folks are always good for a laugh. There has ALWAYS been some form of central authority in place. Either troops designated to the task or a couple guys with swords that answered to the local potentate. Whenever there are common rules in place there is a method of enforcing it. It's also a natural progression within productive society. People have shit to do, it's much more productive to specialize and let a designated authority entity deal with enforcing laws. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:15:23 AM EDT
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You will always have people that will break the law, I read a study years ago. comparing the Wild West to the Eastern cities for violence, West was less violent. It is harder to victimize armed people.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:25:25 AM EDT
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I imagine it would get a bit rapey and cactus-swingy right quick. If there were no police, I would have a wall of skulls surrounding my house and a vest/cardigan made of human scalps. I would then go into a career of pillage and plunder. I would be a 9-5 warlord. Are you accepting applications for minions? Indeed. I would be a great minion. I have boots, a leather jacket, helmets, and I've seen The Road Warrior like thirty times. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:30:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it would be the walking dead without the zombies. Nobody would know where Carl is.  |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:31:41 AM EDT
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I would be establishing a clan of mostly Amazons, and yes to the skulls, MrsWind won't let me do it now and she nixed the Malaysian rake I wanted to put up, the cop liked it, made his job easier
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:56:11 AM EDT
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I largely believe that there are far more GOOD cops that we don't hear about, and we don't hear about them because they are cooping on a secluded side street somewhere, just hoping to stay out of trouble and keep from getting jammed up. What? It's true. 
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:59:24 AM EDT
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Indeed. I would be a great minion. I have boots, a leather jacket, helmets, and I've seen The Road Warrior like thirty times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I imagine it would get a bit rapey and cactus-swingy right quick. If there were no police, I would have a wall of skulls surrounding my house and a vest/cardigan made of human scalps. I would then go into a career of pillage and plunder. I would be a 9-5 warlord. Are you accepting applications for minions? Indeed. I would be a great minion. I have boots, a leather jacket, helmets, and I've seen The Road Warrior like thirty times. How do you look on the back of a motorcycle? 
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Posted: 3/30/2015 11:15:52 AM EDT
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There is something between what she proposes and the current retarded clusterfuck. Quality over quantity.
Cull at least 1/3 of current laws. Cut the current number of enforcers in half, raise the physical and psychological standards for hiring, a LOT, give those with the correct temperament and physical fitness for the job a nice fat raise and great benefits to draw the best candidates and eliminate their unions that protect the worst among them. Of course anything less than the status quo is anarchy, just ask the hordes of "Big Law" statists and badge bunnies here. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 1:13:53 PM EDT
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The Vigiles or more properly the Vigiles Urbani ("watchmen of the City") or Cohortes Vigilum ("cohorts of the watchmen") were the firefighters and police of Ancient Rome. the Vigiles were the nightwatch of Rome. Their duties included apprehending thieves and robbers and capturing runaway slaves. The task of guarding the baths was added as a duty of the Vigiles during the reign of Alexander Severus when the baths remained open during the night. They dealt primarily with petty crimes and looked for disturbances of the peace while they patrolled the streets. Sedition, riots and violent crimes were handled by the Cohortes urbanae and (to a lesser extent) the Praetorian Guard, though Vigiles could provide a supporting role in these situations. The Vigiles were considered a para-military unit and their organisation into cohorts and centuries reflects this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigiles Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ancient Rome had no police. Citizens were expected to police themselves, and they did. Crime was quite rare, although there was frequent violence by our standards for other reasons. The Vigiles or more properly the Vigiles Urbani ("watchmen of the City") or Cohortes Vigilum ("cohorts of the watchmen") were the firefighters and police of Ancient Rome. the Vigiles were the nightwatch of Rome. Their duties included apprehending thieves and robbers and capturing runaway slaves. The task of guarding the baths was added as a duty of the Vigiles during the reign of Alexander Severus when the baths remained open during the night. They dealt primarily with petty crimes and looked for disturbances of the peace while they patrolled the streets. Sedition, riots and violent crimes were handled by the Cohortes urbanae and (to a lesser extent) the Praetorian Guard, though Vigiles could provide a supporting role in these situations. The Vigiles were considered a para-military unit and their organisation into cohorts and centuries reflects this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigiles 
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Posted: 3/30/2015 1:17:04 PM EDT
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Without arguing with you and wanting to learn a new point of view...can you explain to me what we should do in lieu of having a modern police force? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip Without arguing with you and wanting to learn a new point of view...can you explain to me what we should do in lieu of having a modern police force? Great question! Individuals can protect themselves and their property. If they choose to be victims, so be it. Get rid of the WOD. Get rid of the profit motive for the legal system. Get rid of no victim laws. Make agency employees and budgets financially accountable for bad actions. Eliminate all public sector unions. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 1:51:30 PM EDT
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Negative---organized LE existed in some Chinese kingdoms and the city-states of Greece before Roman times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can only assume that a lot of people in this thread don't realise how recent the idea of police is. The first government police didn't happen until mid 1700s in England. Prior to that, if someone assaulted you, robbed you, etc. then you (and your friends) tracked him down and took him to court. You both presented your cases and the judge made a decision. Cities made this harder since there was a good chance you wouldn't know the criminal. People pooled funds to employ watchmen who would try to catch them in the act. Bounty hunters (often ex criminals) could locate your criminal for a fee. Some large cities started using public funds to pay for watchmen in the 1700s. Regulation of watchmen and bounty hunters would eventually become police. Laws, courts and prisons existed for centuries without police. TL;DR police is a city thing, everyone else was fine without them. Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. Negative---organized LE existed in some Chinese kingdoms and the city-states of Greece before Roman times. Yes. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 1:55:39 PM EDT
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LOL, nice to see who the fellow travelers are for some of our more derpy posters.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 1:56:46 PM EDT
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I would be establishing a clan of mostly Amazons, and yes to the skulls, MrsWind won't let me do it now and she nixed the Malaysian rake I wanted to put up, the cop liked it, made his job easier Amazons are hard to come by these days, I'd settle for rescuing some strippers.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:11:21 PM EDT
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I know - what's with the "near" adjective, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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......they use their nearly limitless power.... I know - what's with the "near" adjective, right? The cops where she lives must not be doing it right. I can turn people into toads. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:16:11 PM EDT
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Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can only assume that a lot of people in this thread don't realise how recent the idea of police is. The first government police didn't happen until mid 1700s in England. Prior to that, if someone assaulted you, robbed you, etc. then you (and your friends) tracked him down and took him to court. You both presented your cases and the judge made a decision. Cities made this harder since there was a good chance you wouldn't know the criminal. People pooled funds to employ watchmen who would try to catch them in the act. Bounty hunters (often ex criminals) could locate your criminal for a fee. Some large cities started using public funds to pay for watchmen in the 1700s. Regulation of watchmen and bounty hunters would eventually become police. Laws, courts and prisons existed for centuries without police. TL;DR police is a city thing, everyone else was fine without them. Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. Just finished a book about ancient Rome, and it discussed at great length how Rome functioned without police. The short version is that people took their citizenship and their obligations to neighbors and friends seriously. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:18:13 PM EDT
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Amazons are hard to come by these days, I'd settle for rescuing some strippers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be establishing a clan of mostly Amazons, and yes to the skulls, MrsWind won't let me do it now and she nixed the Malaysian rake I wanted to put up, the cop liked it, made his job easier Amazons are hard to come by these days, I'd settle for rescuing some strippers. I will take strippers and make them mine, my Amazons... done it before |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:18:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed. I would be a great minion. I have boots, a leather jacket, helmets, and I've seen The Road Warrior like thirty times. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I imagine it would get a bit rapey and cactus-swingy right quick. If there were no police, I would have a wall of skulls surrounding my house and a vest/cardigan made of human scalps. I would then go into a career of pillage and plunder. I would be a 9-5 warlord. Are you accepting applications for minions? Indeed. I would be a great minion. I have boots, a leather jacket, helmets, and I've seen The Road Warrior like thirty times. Then you are aware of the assless chaps or leather speedo requirement? I'm no fag, it's not like you have to wear them 24/7. Only when you're on pillage duty. Oh yeah, a set of football shoulder pads, while not mandatory are encouraged. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:25:26 PM EDT
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If their were no police I know what I would do. I'd find out who all the bad guys are and go take their scalps and ears to assert my position as the new law.
The bad guys are lucky they have someone to keep them safe.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:27:16 PM EDT
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The "police are a recent thing" folks are always good for a laugh. There has ALWAYS been some form of central authority in place. Either troops designated to the task or a couple guys with swords that answered to the local potentate. Whenever there are common rules in place there is a method of enforcing it. You're 100% correct in that they're wrong - police are not a recent phenomenon. You're also wrong to say that there was always been some form of central authority in place. Off the top of my head, counter-examples include the Icelandic Commonwealth, Celtic Ireland, and large areas of Spain throughout much of the 20th Century. There has usually been some form of central authority. Not always. The method of enforcement need not be violence, either. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:28:48 PM EDT
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We seriously need to reopen the asylums. Small government individuals would stroke out. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:32:17 PM EDT
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New Orleans Above. I find it amusing that in order to prove that a state must exist to maintain order, I am continually referred to instances where a state failed to maintain order. The worst that can be said of a stateless system is that it eventually devolves into a state. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:33:17 PM EDT
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Just finished a book about ancient Rome, and it discussed at great length how Rome functioned without police. The short version is that people took their citizenship and their obligations to neighbors and friends seriously. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can only assume that a lot of people in this thread don't realise how recent the idea of police is. The first government police didn't happen until mid 1700s in England. Prior to that, if someone assaulted you, robbed you, etc. then you (and your friends) tracked him down and took him to court. You both presented your cases and the judge made a decision. Cities made this harder since there was a good chance you wouldn't know the criminal. People pooled funds to employ watchmen who would try to catch them in the act. Bounty hunters (often ex criminals) could locate your criminal for a fee. Some large cities started using public funds to pay for watchmen in the 1700s. Regulation of watchmen and bounty hunters would eventually become police. Laws, courts and prisons existed for centuries without police. TL;DR police is a city thing, everyone else was fine without them. Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. Just finished a book about ancient Rome, and it discussed at great length how Rome functioned without police. The short version is that people took their citizenship and their obligations to neighbors and friends seriously. It appears that your book was incorrect in its assessment of the mythical "police free" Rome, because ancient Rome absolutely did have a police force (or its equivalent) as described at length by other posters. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:35:33 PM EDT
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Great question! Individuals can protect themselves and their property. If they choose to be victims, so be it. You protect your house from a thief and shoot them, their family comes and shoots up your house because you murdered their kin, where would it stop? Get rid of the WOD. agree and I have never nor will I ever use a recreational drug besides the occasional drink Get rid of the profit motive for the legal system. if you are talking about revenue from traffic tickets and forfeiture I agree Get rid of no victim laws. agree Make agency employees and budgets financially accountable for bad actions. Neither agree nor disagree with this one as their are too many "What if's" and can go either way depending on the circumstance of the situation Eliminate all public sector unions. agree Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip Without arguing with you and wanting to learn a new point of view...can you explain to me what we should do in lieu of having a modern police force? Great question! Individuals can protect themselves and their property. If they choose to be victims, so be it. You protect your house from a thief and shoot them, their family comes and shoots up your house because you murdered their kin, where would it stop? Get rid of the WOD. agree and I have never nor will I ever use a recreational drug besides the occasional drink Get rid of the profit motive for the legal system. if you are talking about revenue from traffic tickets and forfeiture I agree Get rid of no victim laws. agree Make agency employees and budgets financially accountable for bad actions. Neither agree nor disagree with this one as their are too many "What if's" and can go either way depending on the circumstance of the situation Eliminate all public sector unions. agree While I agree with your sentiments in theory there is no way it would happen as listed why in my opinion in Red |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:36:17 PM EDT
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Just finished a book about ancient Rome, and it discussed at great length how Rome functioned without police. The short version is that people took their citizenship and their obligations to neighbors and friends seriously. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can only assume that a lot of people in this thread don't realise how recent the idea of police is. The first government police didn't happen until mid 1700s in England. Prior to that, if someone assaulted you, robbed you, etc. then you (and your friends) tracked him down and took him to court. You both presented your cases and the judge made a decision. Cities made this harder since there was a good chance you wouldn't know the criminal. People pooled funds to employ watchmen who would try to catch them in the act. Bounty hunters (often ex criminals) could locate your criminal for a fee. Some large cities started using public funds to pay for watchmen in the 1700s. Regulation of watchmen and bounty hunters would eventually become police. Laws, courts and prisons existed for centuries without police. TL;DR police is a city thing, everyone else was fine without them. Actually the first organized police forces started in early Roman times. Just finished a book about ancient Rome, and it discussed at great length how Rome functioned without police. The short version is that people took their citizenship and their obligations to neighbors and friends seriously. Return the book and get your money back. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:43:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:You protect your house from a thief and shoot them, their family comes and shoots up your house because you murdered their kin, where would it stop? Where does it stop today? Do people not shoot police and judges because of their roles in the incarceration of themselves, family, or friends? |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:44:37 PM EDT
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While I agree with your sentiments in theory there is no way it would happen as listed why in my opinion in Red Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip Without arguing with you and wanting to learn a new point of view...can you explain to me what we should do in lieu of having a modern police force? Great question! Individuals can protect themselves and their property. If they choose to be victims, so be it. You protect your house from a thief and shoot them, their family comes and shoots up your house because you murdered their kin, where would it stop? Get rid of the WOD. agree and I have never nor will I ever use a recreational drug besides the occasional drink Get rid of the profit motive for the legal system. if you are talking about revenue from traffic tickets and forfeiture I agree Get rid of no victim laws. agree Make agency employees and budgets financially accountable for bad actions. Neither agree nor disagree with this one as their are too many "What if's" and can go either way depending on the circumstance of the situation Eliminate all public sector unions. agree While I agree with your sentiments in theory there is no way it would happen as listed why in my opinion in Red Back in the teens and the 20s, the KKK used to run things here. They had the county government in their pocket. They'ed burn out white folks who hired or did business with black folk. My grand dad took a man who had worked his entire life without pay from one of the local government folks and bought him a house and land to live out the rest of his life on. Well, they threatened to murder my grand dad and the folks who helped him set up a life for the black fella. When they came to cash in their threats they were met by men holding every road, unmasked and told the consequences of any trouble on our place. My grand dad lived, and he kept his house and buildings , the black man died free on a place in his name, and not too many people got hurt. My point is, if people stand together against common threats, it can stop alot of bad things. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:45:12 PM EDT
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The broad who wrote the letter/editorial needs to be made a victim and her tune will change rather quickly.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:48:00 PM EDT
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It would be a lot like the wild west, every one would be armed and every town would have its own elected "LAW MAN" that deals out that groups "laws", out side of towns would be an every man/woman/child/dog/horse for its self type deal.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:49:28 PM EDT
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Back in the teens and the 20s, the KKK used to run things here. They had the county government in their pocket. They'ed burn out white folks who hired or did business with black folk. My grand dad took a man who had worked his entire life without pay from one of the local government folks and bought him a house and land to live out the rest of his life on. Well, they threatened to murder my grand dad and the folks who helped him set up a life for the black fella. When they came to cash in their threats they were met by men holding every road, unmasked and told the consequences of any trouble on our place. My grand dad lived, and he kept his house and buildings , the black man died free on a place in his name, and not too many people got hurt. My point is, if people stand together against common threats, it can stop alot of bad things. You posted that on the place known for MYOB about everything.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:54:03 PM EDT
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You posted that on the place known for MYOB about everything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Back in the teens and the 20s, the KKK used to run things here. They had the county government in their pocket. They'ed burn out white folks who hired or did business with black folk. My grand dad took a man who had worked his entire life without pay from one of the local government folks and bought him a house and land to live out the rest of his life on. Well, they threatened to murder my grand dad and the folks who helped him set up a life for the black fella. When they came to cash in their threats they were met by men holding every road, unmasked and told the consequences of any trouble on our place. My grand dad lived, and he kept his house and buildings , the black man died free on a place in his name, and not too many people got hurt. My point is, if people stand together against common threats, it can stop alot of bad things. You posted that on the place known for MYOB about everything. No wonder things have gone to shit then. If their was any kind of emergency that effected my area, we'd all meet at the local church and figure out how to take care of our own. It is deadly dumb to live disconnected from the people around you. You are throwing away your communities best defense against bad people and natural desaster. People around here have always pooled resources for the common good. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 3:01:10 PM EDT
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You posted that on the place known for MYOB about everything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Back in the teens and the 20s, the KKK used to run things here. They had the county government in their pocket. They'ed burn out white folks who hired or did business with black folk. My grand dad took a man who had worked his entire life without pay from one of the local government folks and bought him a house and land to live out the rest of his life on. Well, they threatened to murder my grand dad and the folks who helped him set up a life for the black fella. When they came to cash in their threats they were met by men holding every road, unmasked and told the consequences of any trouble on our place. My grand dad lived, and he kept his house and buildings , the black man died free on a place in his name, and not too many people got hurt. My point is, if people stand together against common threats, it can stop alot of bad things. You posted that on the place known for MYOB about everything. Is he referring to the 'good ol days' ?
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Posted: 3/30/2015 3:04:58 PM EDT
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Back in the teens and the 20s, the KKK used to run things here. They had the county government in their pocket. They'ed burn out white folks who hired or did business with black folk. My grand dad took a man who had worked his entire life without pay from one of the local government folks and bought him a house and land to live out the rest of his life on. Well, they threatened to murder my grand dad and the folks who helped him set up a life for the black fella. When they came to cash in their threats they were met by men holding every road, unmasked and told the consequences of any trouble on our place. My grand dad lived, and he kept his house and buildings , the black man died free on a place in his name, and not too many people got hurt. My point is, if people stand together against common threats, it can stop alot of bad things. You posted that on the place known for MYOB about everything. Is he referring to the 'good ol days' ? Yep. |
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