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An Open Carry Texas member vs a cop that trashes the constitution in front on a camera. When idiots collide. Why do you look down on people abiding by the law? I don't look down on people abiding by the law. I look down on people claiming they are trying to promote gun rights when their actions have the opposite effect. Does there exist any scenario whereby you'd be OK with people walking about minding their own business with an AR slung on their body? Are you OK with it as long as people hand over ID every time a cop ask for it when they are carrying? If so are you OK with cops stopping cars just for the hell of it to check ID? So which one are you? http://plnami.blob.core.windows.net/media/2014/05/Moms-Demand-open-carry-slobs-2.jpg HA!!! FOC. |
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You guys must be watching a different video than I am. The "constitutional crap" comment seems to reflect this open carrier's attitude, not the officer's feelings about our Constitution.
According to the video (yes, I watched the whole thing) several people had called in on the man with a gun, including a family that approached the officer as he was waiting for another car on this call. HPD can't just blow off a man with a gun call. Contact is obviously made at the beginning of the video. The officer does say he is not detaining this individual, at which point this guy takes off at a faster than normal pace. The officer can't just let that go, otherwise every little gang banger is going to do the same thing. Why would it have been so difficult for the open carrier to have had a brief conversation with the officer? Courtesy is a two way street. Did you notice the officer INTENTIONALLY kept the video recorder running? Doesn't look to me like he was trying to make this open carrier's life hell, just trying to make sure the law is satisfied and not arrest someone that didn't need to be arrested. The officer did a good job with someone that seems to be out to intentionally cause a conflict. This open carrier may not have violated the law, but he didn't show any common decency either. "An armed society is a polite society." - Then be POLITE and don't scurry away and act like a douche bag. |
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You guys must be watching a different video than I am. The "constitutional crap" comment seems to reflect this open carrier's attitude, not the officer's feelings about our Constitution. According to the video (yes, I watched the whole thing) several people had called in on the man with a gun, including a family that approached the officer as he was waiting for another car on this call. HPD can't just blow off a man with a gun call. Contact is obviously made at the beginning of the video. The officer does say he is not detaining this individual, at which point this guy takes off at a faster than normal pace. The officer can't just let that go, otherwise every little gang banger is going to do the same thing. Why would it have been so difficult for the open carrier to have had a brief conversation with the officer? Courtesy is a two way street. Did you notice the officer INTENTIONALLY kept the video recorder running? Doesn't look to me like he was trying to make this open carrier's life hell, just trying to make sure the law is satisfied and not arrest someone that didn't need to be arrested. The officer did a good job with someone that seems to be out to intentionally cause a conflict. This open carrier may not have violated the law, but he didn't show any common decency either. "An armed society is a polite society." - Then be POLITE and don't scurry away and act like a douche bag. View Quote Yeah, the cop never once said anything bad about the constitution. He said, "You can try this constitutional crap all you want", referring to the answer he got from the OCT douche. (Sorry, if a dude walks down the street with an AR while wearing a dress and deck shoes, he's a douche.) If you go out looking for a confrontation with the police, you will likely find it. He got what he wanted. |
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A right not exercised is a right lost. If you are told "your not under arrest and not being detained" then you are free to go about your business. Mr. Popo was clearly butthurt that John Q Citizen knew his rights and was smart about how he dealt with a bad officer. Good Investigation. Hoping for a Good Employment Termination |
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"I support the 2nd Amendment (or OC) but......." Where have I heard that before? You don't like people who are a) following the law, b) fellow gun owners and c) are OCing the only type of gun legal to OC in the state. So what makes you any different than gun banners who hate gun owners? How do you know his actions are the opposite of promoting gun rights? Just because OC scares you and/or you hate it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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C'mon man. You and everybody else here knows that OCT is universally hated. Only reason the dogpile hasn't started yet is because the dipshit cop trashed the Constitution. At this point most people know that OCT members are either idiots or liberal plants. Pretty much the only people that defend OCT are their own members and those that incorrectly think that people that bash them are bashing open carry in general. Case in point. |
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"Do you have ID on you," the officer asked in the video. "No. So, how am I supposed to know whether or not you're a felon?" I wasn't aware it was the job of the police to go around making sure people weren't felons. Coming to a town near you! |
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You guys must be watching a different video than I am. The "constitutional crap" comment seems to reflect this open carrier's attitude, not the officer's feelings about our Constitution. According to the video (yes, I watched the whole thing) several people had called in on the man with a gun, including a family that approached the officer as he was waiting for another car on this call. HPD can't just blow off a man with a gun call. Contact is obviously made at the beginning of the video. The officer does say he is not detaining this individual, at which point this guy takes off at a faster than normal pace. The officer can't just let that go, otherwise every little gang banger is going to do the same thing. Why would it have been so difficult for the open carrier to have had a brief conversation with the officer? Courtesy is a two way street. Did you notice the officer INTENTIONALLY kept the video recorder running? Doesn't look to me like he was trying to make this open carrier's life hell, just trying to make sure the law is satisfied and not arrest someone that didn't need to be arrested. The officer did a good job with someone that seems to be out to intentionally cause a conflict. This open carrier may not have violated the law, but he didn't show any common decency either. "An armed society is a polite society." - Then be POLITE and don't scurry away and act like a douche bag. View Quote Well stated. I'm glad that there are people working to expand gun rights for all but there have been way too many publicized incidents of the open carry people being less than friendly with LEOs for no reason. The police are accused (among other things) of failing to give citizens the benefit of the doubt but the open carriers like the guy in the video are every bit as guilty. Why did he not notify the police ahead of time so they would know what was going on *before* the calls started coming in? True he was not obligated to do so but it could have avoided a lot of BS for all. I only watched the short video but based on that I would definitely give the officer the benefit of the doubt, and agree that the officer's comment about Constitutional crap was pointing out that the OCT guy was using the Constitution as a smokescreen to mask his real motivation which seemed to be that he was seeking confrontation with police. |
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You guys must be watching a different video than I am. The "constitutional crap" comment seems to reflect this open carrier's attitude, not the officer's feelings about our Constitution. According to the video (yes, I watched the whole thing) several people had called in on the man with a gun, including a family that approached the officer as he was waiting for another car on this call. HPD can't just blow off a man with a gun call. Contact is obviously made at the beginning of the video. The officer does say he is not detaining this individual, at which point this guy takes off at a faster than normal pace. The officer can't just let that go, otherwise every little gang banger is going to do the same thing. Why would it have been so difficult for the open carrier to have had a brief conversation with the officer? Courtesy is a two way street. Did you notice the officer INTENTIONALLY kept the video recorder running? Doesn't look to me like he was trying to make this open carrier's life hell, just trying to make sure the law is satisfied and not arrest someone that didn't need to be arrested. The officer did a good job with someone that seems to be out to intentionally cause a conflict. This open carrier may not have violated the law, but he didn't show any common decency either. "An armed society is a polite society." - Then be POLITE and don't scurry away and act like a douche bag. View Quote Agreed. |
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You guys must be watching a different video than I am. The "constitutional crap" comment seems to reflect this open carrier's attitude, not the officer's feelings about our Constitution. According to the video (yes, I watched the whole thing) several people had called in on the man with a gun, including a family that approached the officer as he was waiting for another car on this call. HPD can't just blow off a man with a gun call. Contact is obviously made at the beginning of the video. The officer does say he is not detaining this individual, at which point this guy takes off at a faster than normal pace. The officer can't just let that go, otherwise every little gang banger is going to do the same thing. Why would it have been so difficult for the open carrier to have had a brief conversation with the officer? Courtesy is a two way street. Did you notice the officer INTENTIONALLY kept the video recorder running? Doesn't look to me like he was trying to make this open carrier's life hell, just trying to make sure the law is satisfied and not arrest someone that didn't need to be arrested. The officer did a good job with someone that seems to be out to intentionally cause a conflict. This open carrier may not have violated the law, but he didn't show any common decency either. "An armed society is a polite society." - Then be POLITE and don't scurry away and act like a douche bag. View Quote When the officer says he's not being detained, that means it's a consensual contact. At that point the OC'er was under no obligation to stay and chat, and I can't really blame him for walking away. I'm not sure why you think that the officer "can't let that go", seeing as how he had no basis for the stop in the first place (if he had, the officer would not have told him he wasn't being detained). People calling about a guy walking with a slung rifle doesn't create RS to stop him or PC to arrest - it can't, simply because the activity being reported is not illegal. As far as having a consensual conversation with the police, that's pretty much never a good idea. There's absolutely no reason to help the cops with their fishing expedition just because you're a nice guy. IMO, the OC'er did what was in his best interests - he kept his mouth shut, followed instructions, and didn't give in to the pressure to produce his papers. |
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When the officer says he's not being detained, that means it's a consensual contact. At that point the OC'er was under no obligation to stay and chat, and I can't really blame him for walking away. I'm not sure why you think that the officer "can't let that go", seeing as how he had no basis for the stop in the first place (if he had, the officer would not have told him he wasn't being detained). People calling about a guy walking with a slung rifle doesn't create RS to stop him or PC to arrest - it can't, simply because the activity being reported is not illegal. As far as having a consensual conversation with the police, that's pretty much never a good idea. There's absolutely no reason to help the cops with their fishing expedition just because you're a nice guy. IMO, the OC'er did what was in his best interests - he kept his mouth shut, followed instructions, and didn't give in to the pressure to produce his papers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You guys must be watching a different video than I am. The "constitutional crap" comment seems to reflect this open carrier's attitude, not the officer's feelings about our Constitution. According to the video (yes, I watched the whole thing) several people had called in on the man with a gun, including a family that approached the officer as he was waiting for another car on this call. HPD can't just blow off a man with a gun call. Contact is obviously made at the beginning of the video. The officer does say he is not detaining this individual, at which point this guy takes off at a faster than normal pace. The officer can't just let that go, otherwise every little gang banger is going to do the same thing. Why would it have been so difficult for the open carrier to have had a brief conversation with the officer? Courtesy is a two way street. Did you notice the officer INTENTIONALLY kept the video recorder running? Doesn't look to me like he was trying to make this open carrier's life hell, just trying to make sure the law is satisfied and not arrest someone that didn't need to be arrested. The officer did a good job with someone that seems to be out to intentionally cause a conflict. This open carrier may not have violated the law, but he didn't show any common decency either. "An armed society is a polite society." - Then be POLITE and don't scurry away and act like a douche bag. When the officer says he's not being detained, that means it's a consensual contact. At that point the OC'er was under no obligation to stay and chat, and I can't really blame him for walking away. I'm not sure why you think that the officer "can't let that go", seeing as how he had no basis for the stop in the first place (if he had, the officer would not have told him he wasn't being detained). People calling about a guy walking with a slung rifle doesn't create RS to stop him or PC to arrest - it can't, simply because the activity being reported is not illegal. As far as having a consensual conversation with the police, that's pretty much never a good idea. There's absolutely no reason to help the cops with their fishing expedition just because you're a nice guy. IMO, the OC'er did what was in his best interests - he kept his mouth shut, followed instructions, and didn't give in to the pressure to produce his papers. C'mon bro, who cares if the guy was free to go on his way, he should've wanted to stay and chat with cops and offer up his papers. Can't have too much freedom, that shits dangerous! |
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"Do you have ID on you," the officer asked in the video. "No. So, how am I supposed to know whether or not you're a felon?" I wasn't aware it was the job of the police to go around making sure people weren't felons. It's not. There's a 4th Circuit case that deals with this exact issue - cops in Charlotte, NC detained someone who was OCing but otherwise doing nothing illegal under the guise that "he could/might be a felon." Court slapped their dicks pretty hard on that one. |
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You guys must be watching a different video than I am. The "constitutional crap" comment seems to reflect this open carrier's attitude, not the officer's feelings about our Constitution. According to the video (yes, I watched the whole thing) several people had called in on the man with a gun, including a family that approached the officer as he was waiting for another car on this call. HPD can't just blow off a man with a gun call. Contact is obviously made at the beginning of the video. The officer does say he is not detaining this individual, at which point this guy takes off at a faster than normal pace. The officer can't just let that go, otherwise every little gang banger is going to do the same thing. Why would it have been so difficult for the open carrier to have had a brief conversation with the officer? Courtesy is a two way street. View Quote Guy had no obligation to have a conversation with the cop in the first place. Even if he WAS detained. Which he wasn't. Or be "courteous" to him. Or walk away at a pace you deem to be reasonable. Yes, HPD can "blow off" a "man with a gun" call. Unless there is some information that the "man with a gun" is doing something illegal, then no police response is warranted in the first place. If "something bad happens," HPD isn't liable. Sovereign immunity. Also, why can't the officer "just let that go?" The guy wasn't being detained and wasn't suspected of any crime. |
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You guys must be watching a different video than I am. The "constitutional crap" comment seems to reflect this open carrier's attitude, not the officer's feelings about our Constitution. According to the video (yes, I watched the whole thing) several people had called in on the man with a gun, including a family that approached the officer as he was waiting for another car on this call. HPD can't just blow off a man with a gun call. Contact is obviously made at the beginning of the video. The officer does say he is not detaining this individual, at which point this guy takes off at a faster than normal pace. The officer can't just let that go, otherwise every little gang banger is going to do the same thing. Why would it have been so difficult for the open carrier to have had a brief conversation with the officer? Courtesy is a two way street. Did you notice the officer INTENTIONALLY kept the video recorder running? Doesn't look to me like he was trying to make this open carrier's life hell, just trying to make sure the law is satisfied and not arrest someone that didn't need to be arrested. The officer did a good job with someone that seems to be out to intentionally cause a conflict. This open carrier may not have violated the law, but he didn't show any common decency either. "An armed society is a polite society." - Then be POLITE and don't scurry away and act like a douche bag. View Quote The officer is legally obliged to let that go even for shitheel gangbangers unless he has a reasonable and articulable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that the person to be detained has committed it. Cop could have walked with Mr. Open Carry and kept up his patter the whole time without once needing reasonable suspicion or detaining him. The moment that he stopped dude is the moment that he needed RS to justify his stop. Since when is a legal activity a reasonable indicator of a crime? The open carrier has no legal obligation to show any common decency to a cop any more than he does to a beggar or a thief. Any courtesy shown to a cop is just that, a courtesy. In an armed polite society, one does not use the violence inherent in the system to impose one's will on another simply because they won't talk pretty with you. |
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You posted a thread this morning sticking up for the police officer when in reality he was not abiding by the law. I realize that you are against all the people carrying Yes, that MUST be it. If I don't agree with your ideas on carry, I'm against ALL carry. http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/480/91b/0ea/resized/dramallama-meme-generator-drama-llama-pops-in-96a689.jpg LOL, just got called on your bullshit, and you respond with... more bullshit! |
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You posted a thread this morning sticking up for the police officer when in reality he was not abiding by the law. I realize that you are against all the people carrying Yes, that MUST be it. If I don't agree with your ideas on carry, I'm against ALL carry. http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/480/91b/0ea/resized/dramallama-meme-generator-drama-llama-pops-in-96a689.jpg LOL, just got called on your bullshit, and you respond with... more bullshit! I got called on nothing. He's being roughly as dramatic as my four year old daughter. Tell me, O Great Open Carry Warrior. Do you advocate for OC outside of ARF or are you just an online warrior? Surely we must have seen you walking the walk in one of these videos from Texas, no? |
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You posted a thread this morning sticking up for the police officer when in reality he was not abiding by the law. I realize that you are against all the people carrying Yes, that MUST be it. If I don't agree with your ideas on carry, I'm against ALL carry. http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/480/91b/0ea/resized/dramallama-meme-generator-drama-llama-pops-in-96a689.jpg LOL, just got called on your bullshit, and you respond with... more bullshit! I got called on nothing. He's being roughly as dramatic as my four year old daughter. Tell me, O Great Open Carry Warrior. Do you advocate for OC outside of ARF or are you just an online warrior? Surely we must have seen you walking the walk in one of these videos from Texas, no? Yeah you did! |
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You posted a thread this morning sticking up for the police officer when in reality he was not abiding by the law. I realize that you are against all the people carrying Yes, that MUST be it. If I don't agree with your ideas on carry, I'm against ALL carry. http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/480/91b/0ea/resized/dramallama-meme-generator-drama-llama-pops-in-96a689.jpg LOL, just got called on your bullshit, and you respond with... more bullshit! I got called on nothing. He's being roughly as dramatic as my four year old daughter. Tell me, O Great Open Carry Warrior. Do you advocate for OC outside of ARF or are you just an online warrior? Surely we must have seen you walking the walk in one of these videos from Texas, no? Yeah you did! So you don't attend the Texas OC rallies? |
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