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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:47:10 AM EDT
Horrible iPotato pictures on a snowy day. I'll have to take new ones on my next trip through. Makes me wonder if any high altitude training was done in the area as it is an odd place to have a display. Small town in the mountains of Colorado.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:17:38 AM EDT
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There sign is wrong, that is an AH-1 MCN or Modernized C-night. It has a FLIR in the right side of the TSU.
It is a pretty rare varient and it makes me sad and feel old  I was flying those in Korea 1991-1992. They never should have gone with the OH-58D but strip down the Cobras to G model spec, upgrade the electronics/sight package and you would have had an awesome scout with years of proven combat service.
edit - I was looking for production numbers but couldn't find any info but it was probable less than 20 made as they were fielded by 5/17 Cav and 1/2 Attack in Korea. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:38:42 AM EDT
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Paging Snake Driver.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:45:27 AM EDT
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The VFW where it's located should have the flight logs.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:34:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:52:47 AM EDT
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Its a 1970 model as the first digit of the tail number indicates the year.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:52:51 AM EDT
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That's a pretty badass static display!
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:57:31 AM EDT
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Funny that it seems to have all its antenna and mission equipment in place other than the ALQ-144 IR jammer.
Looked again and its also missing the APR-38 antenna but most them were even when flying. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:58:58 AM EDT
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Its a 1970 model as the first digit of the tail number indicates the year. Not unless that's a H-47 |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:02:20 AM EDT
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If the tail number for it is correct I can assure you its a 1970 unless they were still making them in 1980? The newest one I can ever recall seeing was a 1979, my bird in Korea and most were 1968-69 models /
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:16:28 AM EDT
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If the tail number for it is correct I can assure you its a 1970 unless they were still making them in 1980? The newest one I can ever recall seeing was a 1979, my bird in Korea and most were 1968-69 models / Not sure. Just going by Joe Baughers website. The '0-15001' is somewhat confusing. The US Army has a system of 'padding' the numbers to avoid confusion with the USAF. Wiki: "In 1967, the United States Army continued to use the fiscal year serials, but the numeric element was started at 15000 for each year. In 1971, the sequence was started at 20000, and was not restarted with each fiscal year." and; "When the original fiscal year of a serial became ten years earlier than the current fiscal year, the tail number was often prefixed with a zero, for example 0-16717 instead of 16717 for UH-1H fiscal serial 66-16717. This was for disambiguation purposes, to avoid confusion with tail numbers for later fiscal years. The practice was generally abandoned in the 1980s. " ETA: Found it, a '68' model |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:18:35 AM EDT
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My, that is a fancy one. I worked on the J model Cobra in the Marines. No fancy IR stuff because it wasn't in production yet, but it did have a 20 mm cannon and two engines which comes in handy when one craps out at sea.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:58:51 AM EDT
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The ones I played with in '68 don't look like this one, close though.
Now I have to dig up the pics I took of ours back then to compare. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 9:04:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:41:35 AM EDT
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We had Cobras when I was at Ft.Carson, so I'm not surprised to see one turn up in Kremmling. During WWII, the 10th Mtn. Div. (ski troops) trained at Camp Hale, CO. There has always been a large Army and Air Force presence in the Colorado Springs area.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:49:03 AM EDT
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It's kind'a sad to see the old workhorse in such a state of disrepair. I respect their motives, but it would be better if they took better care of her.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:55:37 AM EDT
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Question:
The three barreled gatling used on the Cobra. The barrels seem to be slightly slanted to the center (from chaber to crown ), does this have a weird effect on targeting/soghting ? Or is this just an optical illusion ? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:05:19 PM EDT
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Question: The three barreled gatling used on the Cobra. The barrels seem to be slightly slanted to the center (from chaber to crown ), does this have a weird effect on targeting/soghting ? Or is this just an optical illusion ? Short answer- no. Area fire weapon, you get a beaten zone not one shot, one kill. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:06:29 PM EDT
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helis.com serial number db
didn't see it. Warbirds and Airshows Here is says: 68-15001 AH-1, Helicopter, Attack, Cobra Town of Kremmling Kremmling CO Found the serial# 20535 worldmiltair Your question about High Altitude Training CO ANG HAATS HAATS FAQ |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:09:32 PM EDT
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it's kind'a sad to see the old workhorse in such a state of disrepair. I respect their motives, but it would be better if they took better care of her. I agree. There are a couple of small airports I go by on a regular basis and they each have an F86 on display, both of them are faded and covered with bird shit, grime, etc.. I know it costs a lot for a small municipal airport to keep them in pristine condition, but they should at least try. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:29:11 PM EDT
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it's kind'a sad to see the old workhorse in such a state of disrepair. I respect their motives, but it would be better if they took better care of her. I agree. There's also a Cobra on display at the State Veterans Home outside of Walsenburg, CO. Caught view of it from the highway while on vacation, did a u-turn and went back to check the old girl out. It brought back lots of memories walking around that aircraft. I opened up one side of the ammo bay, and sat on the door for a while reminiscing. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:32:40 PM EDT
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Funny that it seems to have all its antenna and mission equipment in place other than the ALQ-144 IR jammer. Looked again and its also missing the APR-38 antenna but most them were even when flying. APR-39 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:35:22 PM EDT
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Just because there is a display doesn't mean anything related took place anywhere near there. People do that kind of stuff all the time. Think about any VFW. You think they had training there for any of those various artillery pieces or tanks because they have them sitting outside? Also, helicopter and high altitude don't really go together. lol
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:37:41 PM EDT
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I agree. There's also a Cobra on display at the State Veterans Home outside of Walsenburg, CO. Caught view of it from the highway while on vacation, did a u-turn and went back to check the old girl out. It brought back lots of memories walking around that aircraft. I opened up one side of the ammo bay, and sat on the door for a while reminiscing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's kind'a sad to see the old workhorse in such a state of disrepair. I respect their motives, but it would be better if they took better care of her. I agree. There's also a Cobra on display at the State Veterans Home outside of Walsenburg, CO. Caught view of it from the highway while on vacation, did a u-turn and went back to check the old girl out. It brought back lots of memories walking around that aircraft. I opened up one side of the ammo bay, and sat on the door for a while reminiscing. Our Cobras in Vietnam were beat to shit and looked like spotted old dogs from having bullet holes patched, but functionally they were pristine. We flew them all day, every day. The maintenance, avionics and armament crews worked all night getting those ships back to 100% for each day's missions. They slept while we were out chasing after the enemy. I have tremendous respect for the awesome and often impossible job they did. We had some spare parts ships that were often being cannibalized for working parts. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:40:34 PM EDT
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This thread is worth the $24
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:40:43 PM EDT
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Our Cobras in Vietnam were beat to shit and looked like spotted old dogs from having bullet holes patched, but functionally they were pristine. We flew them all day, every day. The maintenance, avionics and armament crews worked all night getting those ships back to 100% for each day's missions. They slept while we were out chasing after the enemy. I have tremendous respect for the awesome and often impossible job they did. We had some spare parts ships that were often being cannibalized for working parts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's kind'a sad to see the old workhorse in such a state of disrepair. I respect their motives, but it would be better if they took better care of her. I agree. There's also a Cobra on display at the State Veterans Home outside of Walsenburg, CO. Caught view of it from the highway while on vacation, did a u-turn and went back to check the old girl out. It brought back lots of memories walking around that aircraft. I opened up one side of the ammo bay, and sat on the door for a while reminiscing. Our Cobras in Vietnam were beat to shit and looked like spotted old dogs from having bullet holes patched, but functionally they were pristine. We flew them all day, every day. The maintenance, avionics and armament crews worked all night getting those ships back to 100% for each day's missions. They slept while we were out chasing after the enemy. I have tremendous respect for the awesome and often impossible job they did. We had some spare parts ships that were often being cannibalized for working parts. I hear ya. I served with quite a few Vietnam era Crew Chiefs and Pilots.
ETA: Over the summer I visited the Pueblo Weisbrod Aircraft Museum. On my way out, the veterans that volunteer to run the place, asked me if I enjoyed the visit. I responded that I did, and was even surprised to see an aircraft type under restoration that I used to crew. They asked me which one, and I responded "the OH-58". Those guys tried their best to get me to volunteer to take over the project. They had no one there with helicopter experience, let alone OH-58 experience. Wish I could have taken them up on the offer, but it's just not possible. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:41:34 PM EDT
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Question: The three barreled gatling used on the Cobra. The barrels seem to be slightly slanted to the center (from chaber to crown ), does this have a weird effect on targeting/soghting ? Or is this just an optical illusion ? Regulation. Same as double rifles and shotguns. Nevermind - forgot that they spin. I'm guessing just for packaging/other engineering reasons. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:08:45 PM EDT
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This thread is worth the $24 x2 I love threads like this. I just read and glaze over. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:10:01 PM EDT
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Very cool pics. Haven't been thru Kremmling in quite some time. Thx for sharing.
We have a UH1 on a stick here in Fruita at the Western Slope Vietnam War Memorial Park. Here's a pic I stole from the interweb. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:56:02 PM EDT
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Question: The three barreled gatling used on the Cobra. The barrels seem to be slightly slanted to the center (from chaber to crown ), does this have a weird effect on targeting/soghting ? Or is this just an optical illusion ? They may be slightly canted in. But they all fire from the same position. They don't fire simultaneously. If they're not aligned while on the outside of the rotation, it doesn't matter. As long as they are aligned when its their turn to fire, it's all good.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:00:53 PM EDT
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Visit the Moose Cafe while in Kremmling. Good French toast.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:02:56 PM EDT
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I agree. There are a couple of small airports I go by on a regular basis and they each have an F86 on display, both of them are faded and covered with bird shit, grime, etc.. I know it costs a lot for a small municipal airport to keep them in pristine condition, but they should at least try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's kind'a sad to see the old workhorse in such a state of disrepair. I respect their motives, but it would be better if they took better care of her. I agree. There are a couple of small airports I go by on a regular basis and they each have an F86 on display, both of them are faded and covered with bird shit, grime, etc.. I know it costs a lot for a small municipal airport to keep them in pristine condition, but they should at least try. Go check out the A-12 (commonly mistaken for an SR-71) at NASA in Huntsville, AL. Someone sent me a picture a couple weeks ago. That plane is disgusting. The A-12 in Birmingham is sitting in a field.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 6:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, helicopter and high altitude don't really go together. lol To address Snake Drivers comment This aircraft has birds nesting internally above the cannon and in the individual rocket tubes. There is rust all over the cannon but in a greater sense for a static display this one is cleaner than most. I absolutely agree that more upkeep of such displays is necessary. The pictures just suck. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:27:39 PM EDT
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Funny that it seems to have all its antenna and mission equipment in place other than the ALQ-144 IR jammer. Looked again and its also missing the APR-38 antenna but most them were even when flying. APR-39 Good correction. APR-38 was the heart of the F-4G Wild Weasel until it was upgraded to the APR-47. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:33:59 PM EDT
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I haven't been by the one in Kremmling in about 6 months but I believe that there is a school to the northeast of it by about 150 yards. I don't remember it sitting near a VFW. I always wanted to stop and look at it but I never have the chance to do so.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:43:27 PM EDT
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There's a much nicer looking Cobra on display at VFW Post 8168 in Midland PA. Right on the corner of PA-168 and 7th St. Noticed it when I had to drive through town a few years ago. Just looked it up on Google Earth to verify the location.
eta: I suck at linking so I can't post the Google Earth street view like I had hoped. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:02:46 PM EDT
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I'm surprised the snow isn't deeper and I'll bet it's as cold as it looks.
Temps on Weatherundergound don't look as low as I expected. Probably a fib. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:10:52 PM EDT
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We have a Cobra on a stick at the VFW here in Burlington,I drive by it every day.
Eta. 
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Posted: 12/22/2014 4:31:24 AM EDT
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You're right, typing a reply on a phone and fat fingers + lack of proof reading
Never actually saw them mounted on a Cobra and first time I used one was on an AH-64A Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Funny that it seems to have all its antenna and mission equipment in place other than the ALQ-144 IR jammer. Looked again and its also missing the APR-38 antenna but most them were even when flying. APR-39 |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 4:43:26 AM EDT
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You know what I want if I ever have the money? An AH1. I'd fly it to air shows like a boss.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 4:57:07 AM EDT
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This one is outside the VFW post in Eagle River, WI |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 5:33:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat is an Air Force Data Base. This would be Army. and yes, the year will most likely be 1970. Aviator |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 6:16:20 AM EDT
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This thread is worth the $24 Not a day goes by when I don't learn some cool new stuff here. I worked on the S and T's in the Corps=Late 70's early 80's |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 6:18:38 AM EDT
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Some things were just born bad @$$; the Cobra gunship represents that in the purest of forms.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:58:52 AM EDT
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We have a Cobra on a stick at the VFW here in Burlington,I drive by it every day. Eta.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/AH-1_on_display_in_front_of_the_VFW_Post_in_Burlington%2C_Colorado.JPG Nice!!! That one looks much better. 
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Posted: 12/22/2014 10:01:20 AM EDT
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The old gal needs some TLC.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 10:01:23 AM EDT
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http://www.170th.org/Photos/Henry_Winther/images1/170th%20AH-1G%20Eagle%20River%20WI%20800x600%2012_JPG.jpg This one is outside the VFW post in Eagle River, WI That's a pretty good "G" model except for the nose-cone and the wire cutters. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 10:08:23 AM EDT
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I've never seen a FPNI quite like that.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 10:12:43 AM EDT
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That's a pretty good "G" model except for the nose-cone and the wire cutters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.170th.org/Photos/Henry_Winther/images1/170th%20AH-1G%20Eagle%20River%20WI%20800x600%2012_JPG.jpg This one is outside the VFW post in Eagle River, WI That's a pretty good "G" model except for the nose-cone and the wire cutters. The what? |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 10:19:41 AM EDT
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Here's a nice display of a Cobra & Huey that is on display outside the 229th Aviation Battalion HQ at Ft. Bragg. It celebrates the time in 1972 when we received our 2nd Presidential Unit Citation for our efforts at the Battle of An Loc.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 10:21:15 AM EDT
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Go check out the A-12 (commonly mistaken for an SR-71) at NASA in Huntsville, AL. Someone sent me a picture a couple weeks ago. That plane is disgusting. The A-12 in Birmingham is sitting in a field. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's kind'a sad to see the old workhorse in such a state of disrepair. I respect their motives, but it would be better if they took better care of her. I agree. There are a couple of small airports I go by on a regular basis and they each have an F86 on display, both of them are faded and covered with bird shit, grime, etc.. I know it costs a lot for a small municipal airport to keep them in pristine condition, but they should at least try. Go check out the A-12 (commonly mistaken for an SR-71) at NASA in Huntsville, AL. Someone sent me a picture a couple weeks ago. That plane is disgusting. The A-12 in Birmingham is sitting in a field. Yep, Birmangham is pathetic...a real A-12 sitting in 6 foot high grass and covered in weeds and bird crap. You could have dumped it in a field and it wouldn't be any worse. I couldn't believe it when I drove by a couple of years ago. |
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