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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:14:04 PM EDT
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Bratton (NYPD commissioner) on the news claimed it was a ND FOUR FUCKING RULES and these assholes can't get them right. You mean the 4 rules that were never mentioned once when I went through the NYPD academy? I don't even mean that as a slight against the officer -- but fucking training has to be fixed. Might of been a year ago when an NYPD officer plugged a store owner fleeing his store -- "he bumped into me and the gun went off". I get it, you're running to an alarm and have your gun out, but keep it pointed at a safe place with the finger off the trigger. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:14:09 PM EDT
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Love the excuses guys are already coming up with on the unofficial NYPD cop page. Do they sound like this?  http://youtu.be/KC5tMLFqsuIHere's one. NY Post says "the victim" was collared 24 times and did a stretch in prison. It may have been a reflex by a startled PO when the door suddenly swung open but it could just as well been a violent struggle with an uncooperative perp.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:15:14 PM EDT
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Love the excuses guys are already coming up with on the unofficial NYPD cop page. You going to share or just keep that TBL goodness to yourself? LINK |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:17:02 PM EDT
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I don't even mean that as a slight against the officer -- but fucking training has to be fixed done in the first place. FIFY |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:17:27 PM EDT
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Love the excuses guys are already coming up with on the unofficial NYPD cop page. You going to share or just keep that TBL goodness to yourself? LINK And all this time I thought DU were the only ones still running a forum format from the 90's. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:18:17 PM EDT
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Not as many bullet holes in the bank vault like front entrance door as usual for Pink Houses, it must have been replaced very recently along with the bullet resistant entrance windows.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:18:36 PM EDT
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Love the excuses guys are already coming up with on the unofficial NYPD cop page. You going to share or just keep that TBL goodness to yourself? LINK And all this time I thought DU were the only ones still running a forum format from the 90's. You have to provide a copy of your police ID to post there. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:27:51 PM EDT
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And all this time I thought DU were the only ones still running a forum format from the 90's. You have to provide a copy of your police ID to post there. Lots of derp there. There is NOTHING from the COPS story, facts, point of view and/or ANYTHING else! Just some SAVAGE's word that the COPS starting shooting for nothing, but the COP might wind up in jail???.....WTF???
What is with some people on this board? Make a statement like that BEFORE the facts are out??? Sure anything is possible....the perp's gun/weapon might have never hit the floor and/or a BAZILLION other scenarios. Also there is always that outside shot the COP screwed up, but to even make such statements before anything else is released is sickening!!! |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:38:32 PM EDT
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Lots of derp there. That's nothing compared to some stuff posted there. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 5:02:09 PM EDT
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Gee a Rookie had the ND
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Posted: 11/21/2014 5:10:54 PM EDT
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Gee a Rookie had the ND Don't mock him. He might be the only member of the NYPD with a 100% hit ratio. ETA: and if he meets you in a dark stairwell, he might just kill you. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 5:28:41 PM EDT
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Pink Houses; what a shithole.  this
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Posted: 11/21/2014 5:33:27 PM EDT
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lol, so the NYPD shoots 20 something times at a guy and only hits bystanders and then this guy only shoots once and kills an innocent guy.
also I don't blame the officer too much, he was in a faux 3rd world shithole and it was pitch black. maybe the officers shouldn't carry guns. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 5:34:01 PM EDT
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Pink Houses; what a shithole. this Thanks alot, John Cougar Mellancamp 
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Posted: 11/21/2014 6:13:06 PM EDT
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"Dimly lit stairways and dilapidated conditions create fertile ground for violent crime while the constant presence of illegal firearms creates a dangerous and highly volatile environment for police officers and residents alike"
did Bloomburg write this? http://www.myfoxny.com/story/27447636/police-open-fire-on-man-in-brooklyns-pink-houses |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 6:16:12 PM EDT
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lol, so the NYPD shoots 20 something times at a guy and only hits bystanders and then this guy only shoots once and kills an innocent guy. also I don't blame the officer too much, he was in a faux 3rd world shithole and it was pitch black. maybe the officers shouldn't carry guns. I think he's going to get quite a bit of blame. Initially it looks like he killed a guy without any justification. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 6:38:13 PM EDT
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If it's a bad shoot, then doom on him.
However, patrolling the stairwells of projects looks like being a tunnel rat in VN with enough room to stand up. http://www.picturagallery.com/portfolio/antonio-bolfo-impact/#prettyPhoto |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 7:53:58 PM EDT
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Al Sharpton's air fare just went up this month.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:10:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's a bad shoot, then doom on him. However, patrolling the stairwells of projects looks like being a tunnel rat in VN with enough room to stand up. http://www.picturagallery.com/portfolio/antonio-bolfo-impact/#prettyPhoto With one exception. It's NOT a tunnel in Vietnam during the Vietnam conflict.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:17:54 PM EDT
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We need to tone it down.  |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:19:35 PM EDT
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Pink Houses; what a shithole. this Thanks alot, John Cougar Mellancamp I rost |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:22:11 PM EDT
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From Extorris' link:
"Bratton press conference: "Accidental shooting" "A very unfortunate tragedy involving an accidental discharge" "One round fired" "Performing vertical patrol" "Stairwell was pitch black with non-operable lights" "Probationary officer" "Deceased is a total innocent" Damn, talk about throwing him under the bus .
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:24:36 PM EDT
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Linden Blvd, huh?
Hope nobody from Tribe was injured. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:25:26 PM EDT
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At least 236 witnesses have already come forward, saying that the dead man was surrendering and begging for his life when he was shot. How did 236 people fit in the stairwell? "Calibration Error" 
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:27:39 PM EDT
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Bratton (NYPD commissioner) on the news claimed it was a ND That sounds more plausible than an intentional one shot kill by a NYPD cop with a child-proof trigger. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:31:00 PM EDT
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The Jose "Kiko" Garcia case taught me that all kind of things are possible with witnesses in staircases.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least 236 witnesses have already come forward, saying that the dead man was surrendering and begging for his life when he was shot. How did 236 people fit in the stairwell? The Jose "Kiko" Garcia case taught me that all kind of things are possible with witnesses in staircases. Hadn't heard of that one. Just looked it up. http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/12/nyregion/shared-streets-crossed-paths-and-a-death.html Mr. Garcia, an illegal alien who came to this country four years ago to be with family, apparently eked out a living peddling clothing on the street, returning at night to a cramped one-bedroom apartment he shared with his mother, two sisters, two brothers and a niece. Friends and relatives said he was a timid "big kid" who loved to eat, watch television and have a beer or two with friends who always seemed to be on the stoops that lined West 162d Street near St. Nicholas Avenue. He was once arrested there after police officers said they saw him sell a packet of cocaine. The NYT called him an illegal alien. Crazy. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:32:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From Extorris' link: "Bratton press conference: "Accidental shooting" "A very unfortunate tragedy involving an accidental discharge" "One round fired" "Performing vertical patrol" "Stairwell was pitch black with non-operable lights" "Probationary officer" "Deceased is a total innocent" Damn, talk about throwing him under the bus .It sounds like that's the truth. How is it "throwing him under the bus" stating the truth?
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:36:14 PM EDT
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#1 in the elevator. #2 in the stairwell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At least 236 witnesses have already come forward, saying that the dead man was surrendering and begging for his life when he was shot. How did 236 people fit in the stairwell? You'd be surprised how many people are going to the bathroom in the stairwells of shitty public housing units at any given time. #1 in the elevator. #2 in the stairwell. Must be a common M.O. Totally different city.......my first day on the job when I worked in the projects we were doing tower patrol......take elevator up.....stairwells down. When we got on the elevator, the senior cop says to me before getting on the elevator " don't touch the walls"........covered in piss, jizz, spit, and God knows what other excrement"........on the stairs: "don't touch the rails.......people wipe their asses on them" Fucking animals |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:45:35 PM EDT
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even if he was actually unarmed, it is not necessarily a bad shot. Sure doesnt sound like a good shoot... I mean good shooting technically speaking, sure. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:51:34 PM EDT
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What's the Dept issue 'throw down' these days?
AMT .380's  Ed |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 10:44:24 PM EDT
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Another fine upstanding resident of the Pink Houses.
Rookie is still fucked though. http://nypost.com/2014/11/21/man-killed-by-rookie-cop-planned-to-surprise-mom-in-florida/?
Palmer brushed off any mention of Gurley’s extensive arrest record, which includes a felony drug conviction for dealing crack and multiple other arrests for lesser crimes. “Some people may look at his rap sheet and say he was a rotten egg. Akai wasn’t a rotten egg in this house. Akai was the peaceful, loving type.” said Palmer. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:12:16 PM EDT
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At least 236 witnesses have already come forward, saying that the dead man was surrendering and begging for his life when he was shot. How did 236 people fit in the stairwell? That's like every public transit crash... 20 riders with possible injuries miraculously becomes 150 by the time statements are taken. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:13:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sounds like that's the truth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: From Extorris' link: "Bratton press conference: "Accidental shooting" "A very unfortunate tragedy involving an accidental discharge" "One round fired" "Performing vertical patrol" "Stairwell was pitch black with non-operable lights" "Probationary officer" "Deceased is a total innocent" Damn, talk about throwing him under the bus .It sounds like that's the truth. How is it "throwing him under the bus" stating the truth? If anything, brass instantly taking this tack makes me more likely to believe that it was a good shoot. That whole conference stinks of "avoid unrest" I can think of any number of instances where an officer might be inclined to light up a suspect in those conditions, and a number of reasons why no weapon was found. I'll reserve judgement until more info comes in (if it does) Couple of things I note with interest, though. Dimly lit. I have a two or three ounce flashlight that'll illuminate a 10X10 room pretty well. My slightly larger 6AAA Home Depot light ($20 for the 6 cell and a 3 cell) will throw a hellova bright beam 50+ yards. Don't NYPD cops carry flashlights? GF's statement smacks of "Mah baby di'n do nuffin'!" Maybe rookie had heard one too many "they stash the pieces on the GFs so they'll survive a frisk" stories, and when ol' cornrow grabbed for his girl, rookie assumed he was hauling strap. Hell, maybe it WAS an ND. I just find it beyond odd that they went there so quick. Not like brass to instantly go there without ducking and dodging for a couple of days first. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:18:04 PM EDT
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It sounds like that's the truth. How is it "throwing him under the bus" stating the truth? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From Extorris' link: "Bratton press conference: "Accidental shooting" "A very unfortunate tragedy involving an accidental discharge" "One round fired" "Performing vertical patrol" "Stairwell was pitch black with non-operable lights" "Probationary officer" "Deceased is a total innocent" Damn, talk about throwing him under the bus .
It sounds like that's the truth. How is it "throwing him under the bus" stating the truth? Because there is no way a competent shooting investigation could be done in this much time. Bratton's made up his mind, screw the facts. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:26:34 PM EDT
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Our the outside corners in the staircase that are smeared with shit where people have wiped their asses on them after shitting in the staircase. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait until you see the steel in the stairs rot away from the urine Our the outside corners in the staircase that are smeared with shit where people have wiped their asses on them after shitting in the staircase. What the fuck.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:30:10 PM EDT
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It sounds like we need more training in statistics and not so much of the "get home safe" crap. It's NOT Mogadishu or Kabul out there. There are a million officers in the United States, and fewer then 70 or 80 will be killed as a victim of a violent act each year. Those are pretty damn good odds of "getting home safe". Criminal victimization is down over 70% over the last 40 years, but some LEO's seem to think their in a war. There isn't any war, and LEO's aren't soldiers. We need to tone it down.
That has what to do with the NYPD who doesn't train anyone how to shoot or act and has a 8pound trigger? |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:35:44 PM EDT
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well i guess muzzle flash isn't a substitute for a flashlight.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:12:05 AM EDT
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They just said on the news the officer ND'd into a wall, and the round ricocheted and struck the victim in the chest.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:14:18 AM EDT
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Anyone know if the NYPD allows weapon lights?
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:26:37 AM EDT
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lol, so the NYPD shoots 20 something times at a guy and only hits bystanders and then this guy only shoots once and kills an innocent guy. also I don't blame the officer too much, he was in a faux 3rd world shithole and it was pitch black. maybe the officers shouldn't carry guns. I think he's going to get quite a bit of blame. Initially it looks like he killed a guy without any justification. The last almost exact situation went to the GJ. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:27:37 AM EDT
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It sounds like we need more training in statistics and not so much of the "get home safe" crap. It's NOT Mogadishu or Kabul out there. There are a million officers in the United States, and fewer then 70 or 80 will be killed as a victim of a violent act each year. Those are pretty damn good odds of "getting home safe". Criminal victimization is down over 70% over the last 40 years, but some LEO's seem to think their in a war. There isn't any war, and LEO's aren't soldiers. We need to tone it down. You mentioned training in a NYPD thread. 
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:29:20 AM EDT
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At least 236 witnesses have already come forward, saying that the dead man was surrendering and begging for his life when he was shot. How did 236 people fit in the stairwell? That's like every public transit crash... 20 riders with possible injuries miraculously becomes 150 by the time statements are taken. That's why when a city bus crashes you immediately post cops at the front and back doors. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:29:55 AM EDT
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That has what to do with the NYPD who doesn't train anyone how to shoot or act and has a 8pound trigger? 12lb. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:30:15 AM EDT
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Anyone know if the NYPD allows weapon lights? Extorris? Runcible? Nope. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:38:58 AM EDT
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If it's a bad shoot, then doom on him. However, patrolling the stairwells of projects looks like being a tunnel rat in VN with enough room to stand up. http://www.picturagallery.com/portfolio/antonio-bolfo-impact/#prettyPhoto I just had a look at this photo essay and read the captions. So the NYPD in it's infinite wisdom puts the cops with the least experience in the worst possible situation as a matter of routine? What the fuck are they thinking? The captions said that it's supposed to be a 6 month tour but many of them had already been there for 2 years. I can't believe the stupidity at work here. Why in the world would you want to put fresh academy graduates in a situation like the one that exists in these shithole projects? They should at least partner these kids with somebody that's been around for a while, although I'm sure union seniority precludes that possibility. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:46:43 AM EDT
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So the NYPD in it's infinite wisdom puts the cops with the least experience in the worst possible situation as a matter of routine? What the fuck are they thinking? The captions said that it's supposed to be a 6 month tour but many of them had already been there for 2 years. I can't believe the stupidity at work here. Trial by fire, no FTOs. We had some on Impact posts for over 3 years. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:51:05 AM EDT
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So the NYPD in it's infinite wisdom puts the cops with the least experience in the worst possible situation as a matter of routine? What the fuck are they thinking? The captions said that it's supposed to be a 6 month tour but many of them had already been there for 2 years. I can't believe the stupidity at work here. Trial by fire, no FTOs. We had some on Impact posts for over 3 years. How in the hell do you keep your recruits from quitting in droves? I've worked in a maximum security prison for 25 years now, and I wouldn't have done THAT shit for long when I was young and invincible and thought chasing and fighting was fun. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:53:04 AM EDT
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How in the hell do you keep your recruits from quitting in droves? I've worked in a maximum security prison for 25 years now, and I wouldn't have done THAT shit for long when I was young and invincible and thought chasing and fighting was fun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the NYPD in it's infinite wisdom puts the cops with the least experience in the worst possible situation as a matter of routine? What the fuck are they thinking? The captions said that it's supposed to be a 6 month tour but many of them had already been there for 2 years. I can't believe the stupidity at work here. Trial by fire, no FTOs. We had some on Impact posts for over 3 years. How in the hell do you keep your recruits from quitting in droves? I've worked in a maximum security prison for 25 years now, and I wouldn't have done THAT shit for long when I was young and invincible and thought chasing and fighting was fun. Are you trying to apply logic and critical thinking to how something is done in NYC?
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:59:33 AM EDT
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So the NYPD in it's infinite wisdom puts the cops with the least experience in the worst possible situation as a matter of routine? What the fuck are they thinking? The captions said that it's supposed to be a 6 month tour but many of them had already been there for 2 years. I can't believe the stupidity at work here. Trial by fire, no FTOs. We had some on Impact posts for over 3 years. How in the hell do you keep your recruits from quitting in droves? Where are they going to go work after they quit? |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 2:49:04 AM EDT
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So the NYPD in it's infinite wisdom puts the cops with the least experience in the worst possible situation as a matter of routine? What the fuck are they thinking? The captions said that it's supposed to be a 6 month tour but many of them had already been there for 2 years. I can't believe the stupidity at work here. Trial by fire, no FTOs. We had some on Impact posts for over 3 years. How in the hell do you keep your recruits from quitting in droves? Where are they going to go work after they quit? FDNY if they're smart... |
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