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Link Posted: 10/21/2014 9:32:32 AM EDT
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Children of the 80s.  Remember this Cold War classic mini-series?  I always remember the part where they fired through pipes to have interlocking fields of fire.









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The ammo still had corrosive primers until the mid-50s - so YES they were still used.
I may be able to find info in some of my manuals WW2 dated manuals. IIRC I've also seen them mentioned in the post-WW2 publications...but mainly aimed at depot armorer usage.
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of the small wrapped items the top one looked like it might be the funnel, sorry, my bad. Enfields used to be issued  with a funnel for washing the barrel out with hot water to cleanse it of corrosive ammo residue.


Absolutely possible I'm wrong on this, but I don't believe they did that with the No. 4s...


FIFY
I use a WW1 dated (1914) armorer's funnel when cleaning my 303
First stage of the post-range clean is boil out the barrel
...comes in handy for other full-bore rifles too in case the ammo is older mil-surp & may be corrosive primed


Did they continue issuing them into/after WW2?


The ammo still had corrosive primers until the mid-50s - so YES they were still used.
I may be able to find info in some of my manuals WW2 dated manuals. IIRC I've also seen them mentioned in the post-WW2 publications...but mainly aimed at depot armorer usage.


The depot funnels are all I've seen, big as a salad plate on top with a long neck to get past the bolt channel and into the chamber.
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if aint broke dont fix it. They work so why bother even changing.
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when broke can't fix it. They old and got no parts so changing.
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Because spares aren't available and I doubt that there are ton of places doing depot level work on the enfields.
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Canadian Rangers





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You and me both brother!
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Personally, I'd love a scout-styled rifle based on a No.4 Mk.2 in .308 Win, especially after having handled a No.1 Mk.3, a No.4 Mk.1*, and a 2A1. Barrel of 20", 10-round magazine, fed by NATO standard chargers, 3-point sling option, provision for optics, synthetic stock, weight slimmed anywhere it reasonably can be, and decent standard irons--I like the click-adjustable types for the No.4 and No.5, with the "battle sight" ghost ring preserved.


You and me both brother!


Add me to the list while you're at it.
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Children of the 80s.  Remember this Cold War classic mini-series?  I always remember the part where they fired through pipes to have interlocking fields of fire.







I remember that and the pipe set up  




 
Other big thing I remember was Cathy Lee Crosby.  I wanted to lay some pipe with her.
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Personally, I'd love a scout-styled rifle based on a No.4 Mk.2 in .308 Win, especially after having handled a No.1 Mk.3, a No.4 Mk.1*, and a 2A1. Barrel of 20", 10-round magazine, fed by NATO standard chargers, 3-point sling option, provision for optics, synthetic stock, weight slimmed anywhere it reasonably can be, and decent standard irons--I like the click-adjustable types for the No.4 and No.5, with the "battle sight" ghost ring preserved.


You and me both brother!


Add me to the list while you're at it.


You know, there's actually a heck of a marketing angle here if some company could jump through enough hoops to satisfy the Canadians....
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This story, when mentioned to people in a position to know, produces various responses indicating that interesting things happened in Alaska during the Cold War.

The natives used to go to Russia in the winter, too. And in the 70s you could poach polar bears in Russia if you were crazy enough.
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Speculation, or have you read something?



I read this years ago:

"There is a persistent story, denied by the Pentagon but confirmed by Alaskan sources, that an Eskimo member of the Alaskan Scouts (National Guard) was apparently shot to death after stumbling upon a Spetsnaz reconaisance unit in Alaska. Reports indicate that authorities discovered footprints leading from the murder scene to the water's edge, as well as mini-sub tracks nearby in shallow water. In addition, a piece of equipment found at the scene was identified as being of Soviet origin. The incident has produced serious dissension within the ranks of the Alaskan Scouts: Several members have refused to patrol the area of the shooting and others have resigned. [Editor's note: SOF has learned that the item of Soviet equipment found next to the body of the Eskimo Scout on Little Diomede Island was a Soviet NBC decontamination kit. In addition, an autopsy performed on the scout revealed that he had been killed by a dum-dum bullet of a type known to be favored by Spetsnaz teams."


This story, when mentioned to people in a position to know, produces various responses indicating that interesting things happened in Alaska during the Cold War.

The natives used to go to Russia in the winter, too. And in the 70s you could poach polar bears in Russia if you were crazy enough.


I just want to add to this part of the story.  The Russian threat is still valid and incursions by land, sea and air still happen.  I spent many an hour in the operations center listening to radio chatter.  Ivan likes to fly into Alaskan air space and test our response.  
As far as the Alaskan Natives travelling to Russia, hell yes they still do it.  More than once we got called to look for overdue boats loaded with entire families who travelled over to see their relatives.  No Customs involved when you jump in a 30 foot aluminum skiff and zip across.  There is only about 2 miles separating Little Diomede and Big Diomede islands with the US owning Little and Ivan owns Big.  They would zip across the 28 miles to the mainland and visit relatives then come back and get caught in bad weather.
Also, see the clip below taken from the USCG website in the history section.  I was involved in this and it was a lot more hairy then this paragraph makes it out to sound.

"1999-CGC Hamilton attempted to seize the Russian fishing trawler Gissar in the Bering Sea for fishing in U.S. waters.  The Gissar then attempted to return to Russian waters, whereupon a boarding team from the Hamilton boarded the trawler.  Soon thereafter, up to 19 other Russian trawlers surrounded the two vessels, thereby prohibiting the Hamilton from taking the Gissar to a U.S. port.  The Hamilton's boarding crew was removed from the Gissar and the Gissar was turned over to the Russian Border Guard vessel Antius."
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There is nothing particularly special about Enfield .303 barrels.  Any gunsmith in the country can make them.  Get .303 blanks and a computer controlled lathe can turn them out in numbers.
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Criterion is currently tooling up to produce new No. 4 .303 barrels, in military profile, complete with bayonet lugs. They won't be especially inexpensive, but they will be available.
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Because spares aren't available and I doubt that there are ton of places doing depot level work on the enfields.
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Because spares aren't available and I doubt that there are ton of places doing depot level work on the enfields.



It sucks when your duty weapon needs parts scrounged from places like Numrich Gun Parts, Jack First, or Old West Scrounger.
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The depot funnels are all I've seen, big as a salad plate on top with a long neck to get past the bolt channel and into the chamber.
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The ammo still had corrosive primers until the mid-50s - so YES they were still used.
I may be able to find info in some of my manuals WW2 dated manuals. IIRC I've also seen them mentioned in the post-WW2 publications...but mainly aimed at depot armorer usage.


The depot funnels are all I've seen, big as a salad plate on top with a long neck to get past the bolt channel and into the chamber.


The funnels were not issued as individual kit in either WW1 or WW2.   Supposedly they were unit stores issued on an as needed basis but I have yet to talk to any squaddie or trooper from WW2 that has ever mentioned using them.
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Children of the 80s.  Remember this Cold War classic mini-series?  I always remember the part where they fired through pipes to have interlocking fields of fire.

http://www.freemoviescinema.com/movies/video/random/world-war-iii-1982


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I do remember that. I would have been in elementary school but I do recall that movie.


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Link Posted: 10/21/2014 2:25:55 PM EDT
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Diemaco has the capability to make CHF barrels on their cold hammer forge machines, if they wanted to.
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Fair, considering 174's standard for .303.  I was more thinking along the lines of the fact that there isn't much above 180 readily available in .310 diameter bullets.
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308<303 for use against polar bears


Until you get up into extremely heavy-for-caliber bullets (180+), .308 marginally outperforms .303, and has a much better selection of bullets.


I'd call it a stretch to say 180 was even heavy for caliber. Perhaps the low end of heavy. 200 is heavy. 240 or 250 is extremely heavy.


Fair, considering 174's standard for .303.  I was more thinking along the lines of the fact that there isn't much above 180 readily available in .310 diameter bullets.


215 grain round nose bullets.  Available as solids (conventional and dangerous game types) and soft points.  I have ammo of this type.  It's a good round if you had to deal with a bear as far as the .303 goes, especially if you can get above 2,200 fps (possible with the longer barrel of the No.4).  Closest equivalent for .308 is the 220 grain bullet but the short case can introduce difficulties in getting it to the desired velocity range since the bullets are rather long.  Given that the 7.62mm magazines are the same length as those for the .303, you might be able to get away with exceeding the standard OAL to give yourself enough powder capacity.  Never tried it, so I'm not too sure.
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1678272_Would_you_give_one_of_your_No_4_rifles_to_the_Canadian_Rangers_.html

If you would be willing to donate one (and bear the cost of shipping to the US exporter), please vote in the poll.  Folks are already stepping up.  Be in the first 500 shipment.
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Probably because it'd be too expensive, and .303 barrels are in short supply
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if aint broke dont fix it. They work so why bother even changing.

 If you read the article you'd see a lack of repair/replacement parts.

But I'm surprised they haven't fired up AutoCAD and some CNC machines to make new parts.


Probably because it'd be too expensive, and .303 barrels are in short supply


More expensive than telling Colt Canada to design a new manufacture bolt rifle to be functional in the arctic and produced in small quantities?
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Damn it... this thread, the other one on what rifle one would use if one joined the CR, and now my thread on the CR and Danish SP killing each other over frozen snow is having me wanting a CR Red Hoddie Sweatshirt.
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Why the fuck are people willing to subsidize the Canadian military? They are in a situation of their own government's making and it should be up the the people of Canada to figure out where they failed and fix it instead of us subsidizing their failure.
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Why the fuck are people willing to subsidize the Canadian military? They are in a situation of their own government's making and it should be up the the people of Canada to figure out where they failed and fix it instead of us subsidizing their failure.
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Why the fuck are people willing to subsidize the Canadian military? They are in a situation of their own government's making and it should be up the the people of Canada to figure out where they failed and fix it instead of us subsidizing their failure.


Rest easy.  Only 7 ARFCOMmers have stepped up to the plate.  The Russians are safe.  And the Canadian politicians are safe from embarrassment.
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Rest easy.  Only 7 ARFCOMmers have stepped up to the plate.  The Russians are safe.
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Why the fuck are people willing to subsidize the Canadian military? They are in a situation of their own government's making and it should be up the the people of Canada to figure out where they failed and fix it instead of us subsidizing their failure.


Rest easy.  Only 7 ARFCOMmers have stepped up to the plate.  The Russians are safe.


Do not disturb my rant.
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Do not disturb my rant.
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If you would be willing to donate one (and bear the cost of shipping to the US exporter), please vote in the poll.  Folks are already stepping up.  Be in the first 500 shipment.


Why the fuck are people willing to subsidize the Canadian military? They are in a situation of their own government's making and it should be up the the people of Canada to figure out where they failed and fix it instead of us subsidizing their failure.


Rest easy.  Only 7 ARFCOMmers have stepped up to the plate.  The Russians are safe.


Do not disturb my rant.


Poke, poke.  You do understand the Canadian Rangers protect the North Warning System, right?  And the socialist government's military procurement system has let the Canadian Rangers down?  So we could embarrass some socialist politicians and incompetent bureaucrats, and get some positive press for our side, or we could just leave our No. 4s in the gun safe.  Or you could be the guy that puts a working rifle back into the hands of someone that will carry it in 30 below weather.
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Nice.  Thank god I got two Enfields.
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Tangentially related to this thread: Saving a Burnt Out Jungle Carbine.
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Yeah, this.
Why not? Give them a guide gun.
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I saw that news clip and literally the guy is describing the Ruger M77 Gunsite Scout Rifle. Onot problem they have is that Ruger will not allow Colt Canada to make the rifle in Canada.




The US waives the Berry Amendment all the time when it comes to the procurement of arms and equipment. GLOCK, HK, Sig Sauer, etc are seen in the hands of US Forces. Hell, the MP5 was from Germany and they were extremely popular. Same with the HK MP7....




Canada can waive their law for the small number of rifles that will be purchased for the Rangers.
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I'd rather a K31, but an Enfield would do just fine.
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How many of them are there?
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Probably because it'd be too expensive, and .303 barrels are in short supply
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if aint broke dont fix it. They work so why bother even changing.

 If you read the article you'd see a lack of repair/replacement parts.

But I'm surprised they haven't fired up AutoCAD and some CNC machines to make new parts.


Probably because it'd be too expensive, and .303 barrels are in short supply



With the expense of building or buying a new rifle and the road blocks they're running in to it would seem a new run of modern parts would be the best cost saving measure.  Even an upgrade program to update the current rifles to 7.62x51 would be cheaper than a COTS solution that can't seem to get to work.
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Give or take 5,000 members scattered across Canada.










1 CRPG: Yukon, Northwest Territories, Nunavut, British Columbia



2 CRPG: Quebec



3 CRPG: Ontario



4 CRPG: British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba



5 CRPG: Newfoundland and Labrador










The replacement rifle contract was for 10,000 new rifles made by Colt Canada for service by 2015. This was originally issued in August of 2011 but it fell through. A new contract as been offered in 2014 with a trial competition in 2015 and adoption by 2019 the latest.

 
 
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Well you can't make them do it, so it has to be worth their while...and if their machines are already running production then how feasible is it for them to fit manufacturing new parts in?
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But if it's just parts do you need Colt Canada to do it?Seems you could use smaller contractors, not necessarily gun manufacturers for simpler parts replication.
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Not my first choice in bolt guns but in the top 3.  You can do a whole lot worse.
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Damn I'm old.



I remember when you could buy one at Roses department store for around $70.  It seems like yesterday.  












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There's nothing wrong with a Lee Enfield.
It holds 10 rounds of an effective cartridge.
The rifle is super reliable, fairly accurate, it will work
in the Mud, Snow, Sand. It's been battle tested
in the muddy fields of Flanders during WWI,
Northern Africa, the Jungles of Borneo.

It's just a superb rifle.

And the 303 British Cartridge topped with a 215 grain round nose bullet
makes for a fine moose,elk or bear round.

The action is very fast to work because it cocks on closing
and the bolt lugs are on the rear of the bolt.
The bolt throw is short.

The No.4 Mk1 and No.4 Mk.2 come with really good iron sights.

an excerpt from the original article
“This weapon was given to them . . . because it’s indestructible,” Rittwage says.

“In any condition regardless, this weapon will fire. As long as that round gets chambered, it will fire.”

“It will also bring down anything it hits at up to 550 metres.

“Because it is a .303, it has the stopping power,”

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