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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:16:18 PM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1677835_Lee_Enfield_rifle_phased_out_by_Canadian_military_after_100_years_of_service.html announces the Canadian Rangers are hanging up their No 4 rifles b/c of lack of spare parts. ARFCOM has more No 4 rifles than the Canadian Rangers. Who are the Canadian Rangers, you ask? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Rangers And they patrol this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System which keeps us all safe. ONLY post in the poll the number of serviceable condition No 4 rifles you would be willing to donate, and bear the shipping cost for to a US exporter. I'm trying to get a reasonably accurate count. If enough ARFCOMmers step forward, we might be able to solve the Canadian military's procurement bungle, keep the Canadian Rangers armed with their preferred weapon against polar bears and probing Ruskies, and garner some good international media attention for ARFCOM & gunowners in general. ETA: This is now a cross-board challenge. I have posted an identical poll on another gun board. If you have voted there, please do not vote in this poll unless you're willing to donate more rifles. May the best board win! ETA: Canadian contributors wouldn't have to ship their rifles to the US. There would be a Canadian collection point - possibly Fluffy's house, if he could find enough room amongst his Garands(Fluffy be mad). 
ETA: Iggyort was kind enough to post this video in the other thread: 
No guarantees you'll get a video of your rifle being run that hard, sorry. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:21:32 PM EDT
[#1]
I'd rather see them have to deal with procuring new rifles.. They used that one for 100 years. It's time to get with the times. Sometimes change requires pressure. Here's the pressure.
I don't have any of those rifles anyhow, so no dog in this fight. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:22:53 PM EDT
[#2]
I'd probably be willing to let my No. 4 Mk. 2 go.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:29:45 PM EDT
[#3]
pretty sure we did something similar once before for a Commonwealth nation, they ended up dumping them all in the North Sea
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:30:37 PM EDT
[#4]
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pretty sure we did something similar once before for a Commonwealth nation, they ended up dumping them all in the North Sea True, True. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:31:33 PM EDT
[#5]
If we can get 500 rifles in that poll up there, we have a media sensation. It is extremely improbable that rifles would ever change hands, but if you post, and in 18 months, we ask for 'em, you'd better ship it, or ARFCOM would look very bad. So if you're not sure, don't commit. I don't have a No 4, so I chose pie. I've got no skin in the game.
If we can hit 500 rifles, we start looking for a US exporter to volunteer, and a Canadian member to start poking buttons on the Ranger side and other Canadian action levers (beer taps?  ). If we can't hit 500 proposed donations, then we suck and we deserve for the Ruskies to sneak in and blow up our radar stations.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:33:26 PM EDT
[#6]
FUCK NO!!!
If Canada truly values their Canadian Rangers then they can easily cover the cost of new rifles. A red sweatshirt and a sixty year old rifle tells me that Canada doesn't really give a shit. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:33:43 PM EDT
[#7]
I have a few No 4's ------------------- but no... |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:34:47 PM EDT
[#8]
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True, True. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: pretty sure we did something similar once before for a Commonwealth nation, they ended up dumping them all in the North Sea True, True. Well, MVolkJ has stepped forward to volunteer his rifle to redeem that betrayal. And in the media circus that would follow, we'd be sure to make a point of that. All donations would be recorded, so if in the unlikely event you outlived the usefulness of your No 4 to the Canadian Rangers, you would be extremely unlikely to get it back but you could grump about it in the nursing home.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:36:01 PM EDT
[#9]
How many would they trade for a Norinco M14 or some other Chinese gun I can't buy here?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:36:48 PM EDT
[#10]
Da fuq?
Canada isn't a third world country that can't keep it's aging equipment running. It just doesn't want to tool up to keep old guns running if new guns are cheaper. Nostalgia aside, it makes no sense.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:40:09 PM EDT
[#11]
I have this unfired 1945 Long Branch No 4 T, but no Canucki's getting his paws on it
And here is it with my other one, a 1942 BSA 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:40:26 PM EDT
[#12]
The last time we donated guns to the defense of a commonwealth nation - they dumped them in the ocean.
No they need to get to work in AutoCAD or buy a new rifle. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:40:56 PM EDT
[#13]
The only Enfield I have is a Gibbs reconditioned jungle carbine chambered in .308.
I know, I really should buy a SMLE, but I've just never gotten around to it. I'd send 'em twenty bucks, but nah, they can buy new rifles just fine, and .308 would be a better option anyhow (not a power issue, just with .308 you get a better selection of projectiles). |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:41:12 PM EDT
[#14]
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I have this unfired 1945 Long Branch No 4 T, but no Canucki's getting his paws on it <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps7c467030.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps7c467030.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps68773808.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps68773808.jpg</a> And here is it with my other one, a 1942 BSA <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps70a39277.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps70a39277.jpg</a> Nice Rifles! |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:41:56 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a few No 4's ------------------- but no... Fair enough. You can tell folks you show them to they were last used by the Canadian Rangers in 2014. And that's why you still have them all. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:44:09 PM EDT
[#16]
Other than bagged milk and snow what do they have to trade?
I've a '42 Longbranch that could use some Artic duty. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:44:59 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have this unfired 1945 Long Branch No 4 T, but no Canucki's getting his paws on it
<a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps7c467030.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps7c467030.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps68773808.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps68773808.jpg</a> And here is it with my other one, a 1942 BSA <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps70a39277.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps70a39277.jpg</a> Beautiful guns. But we're not asking for 4Ts. Just garden variety No 4s. Not the most valuable rare bird in the collection. But if you have a few, how many would you donate to the Canadian Rangers who have been screwed by their socialist government procurement system, and at the same time generate a lot of good media for ARFCOM and gunowners? |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:45:05 PM EDT
[#18]
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The last time we donated guns to the defense of a commonwealth nation - they dumped them in the ocean.
No they need to get to work in AutoCAD or buy a new rifle. Or... We could kill two birds with one stone here, send the Korean Garands to Canada, they take what they need, then send the rest back over the border to us. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:45:48 PM EDT
[#19]
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Other than bagged milk and snow what do they have to trade?
I've a '42 Longbranch that could use some Artic duty. Cheap SVT-40s? I'd do that trade right now, SVT-40 for No. 4. ETA: Look at this. $300 Canukistan Moose Money. Fucking Russian import ban. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:46:38 PM EDT
[#20]
I would trade three No4 rifles for two Chicom M14 clones.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:58:45 PM EDT
[#21]
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Cheap SVT-40s? I'd do that trade right now, SVT-40 for No. 4. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Other than bagged milk and snow what do they have to trade?
I've a '42 Longbranch that could use some Artic duty. Cheap SVT-40s? I'd do that trade right now, SVT-40 for No. 4. Upon reflection a .gov should give to get so trades would be preferable. A MK VI Webley revolver would do just fine....Hell I'd settle for a MK IV. Wouldn't be great if a trade (for mil-surps that's legal under current law to import) could be made? 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:58:49 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
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Quoted: Other than bagged milk and snow what do they have to trade?
I've a '42 Longbranch that could use some Artic duty. Cheap SVT-40s? I'd do that trade right now, SVT-40 for No. 4. Upon reflection a .gov should give to get so trades would be preferable. A MK VI Webley revolver would do just fine....Hell I'd settle for a MK IV. Wouldn't be great if a trade (for mil-surps that's legal under current law to import) could be made? Give me something to bargain with, and we'll see what we can get. With only 4 volunteers, I got nothin'. Don't post in the poll unless you're willing to donate that # of rifles, pay your own shipping, and expect nothing in return except some goodwill. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:01:50 PM EDT
[#23]
nope....
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:15:31 PM EDT
[#24]
N
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Beautiful guns. But we're not asking for 4Ts. Just garden variety No 4s. Not the most valuable rare bird in the collection. But if you have a few, how many would you donate to the Canadian Rangers who have been screwed by their socialist government procurement system, and at the same time generate a lot of good media for ARFCOM and gunowners? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I have this unfired 1945 Long Branch No 4 T, but no Canucki's getting his paws on it
<a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps7c467030.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps7c467030.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps68773808.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps68773808.jpg</a> And here is it with my other one, a 1942 BSA <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps70a39277.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps70a39277.jpg</a> Beautiful guns. But we're not asking for 4Ts. Just garden variety No 4s. Not the most valuable rare bird in the collection. But if you have a few, how many would you donate to the Canadian Rangers who have been screwed by their socialist government procurement system, and at the same time generate a lot of good media for ARFCOM and gunowners? They're the only Enfields i have, I sent my No4 mk1/2 to my brother in Australia last week |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:19:21 PM EDT
[#25]
Why the fuck would I donate my gun to a foreign government entity?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:21:14 PM EDT
[#26]
No, I wouldn't be willing to donate my rife to anybody.
First of all I don't believe there is any lack of spare parts. Secondly I don't believe there is any lack of rifles they can easily obtain without one of them being mine. Thirdly I don't believe they are having a crisis of broken rifles without spare parts. And, FWIW I don't think they need to replace the rifles they are using with new ones just because they are new ones. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:25:44 PM EDT
[#27]
Criterion is tooling up to make new No1MkIII and No4MkI/II barrels.
You can 3d print the small parts, then have them heat treated, if need be. Sounds like some gub'mint agency is being cheap and everyone wants something at no cost to themselves. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:41:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the fuck would I donate my gun to a foreign government entity? Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the fuck would I donate my gun to a foreign government entity? To keep the No 4 in service, as a point of pride as a No 4 owner. B/c the Canadian socialist government procurement bureaucracy has screwed over the Rangers, and this would embarrass the bureaucrats and the socialists. If you've ever wanted to put a No 4's butt on the back of a military procurement bureaucrat who has failed you, and those who defend you, this is your chance. B/c you're only giving up the ones you don't shoot anyway, we're not asking for your pride and joy. B/c the Canadian Rangers defend you in colder weather than you'll ever be out in, and they do it for weeks at a time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System The North Warning System (NWS) is a joint United States and Canadian radar system for the atmospheric air defense of North America. It provides surveillance of airspace from potential incursions or attacks from across North America's polar region. It replaced the Distant Early Warning Line system in the late 1980s. B/c the positive media attention of a gift of several hundred rifles by American and Canadian gunowners would be a win for ARFCOM, and for American and Canadian rifle owners in general. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:43:33 PM EDT
[#29]
Sending Enfield No. 4's to Canada would be like shipping coals to Newcastle.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:43:54 PM EDT
[#30]
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Criterion is tooling up to make new No1MkIII and No4MkI/II barrels. You can 3d print the small parts, then have them heat treated, if need be. Sounds like some gub'mint agency is being cheap and everyone wants something at no cost to themselves. Glad I clicked on this thread now. Criterion making new barrels is the best news I've heard all day. Regarding the OP's challenge. I might be willing to part with an Enfield if they'd trade for some C7A2 parts I'm looking for. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:51:26 PM EDT
[#31]
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Sending Enfield No. 4's to Canada would be like shipping coals to Newcastle. In a bizarre twist of fate, Canada ended up sending a pile of Inglis BHPs to Belgium after WWII. They used it as an excuse to foist off a bunch of No. 1 tangent-sight models they didn't want. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:54:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Hell no! Quite the opposite though, I'm willing to give money, to have some of their rifles sent to me.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:06:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
N They're the only Enfields i have, I sent my No4 mk1/2 to my brother in Australia last week Quote HistoryQuoted:
N Quoted:
Quoted: I have this unfired 1945 Long Branch No 4 T, but no Canucki's getting his paws on it
<a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps7c467030.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps7c467030.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps68773808.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps68773808.jpg</a> And here is it with my other one, a 1942 BSA <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps70a39277.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps70a39277.jpg</a> Beautiful guns. But we're not asking for 4Ts. Just garden variety No 4s. Not the most valuable rare bird in the collection. But if you have a few, how many would you donate to the Canadian Rangers who have been screwed by their socialist government procurement system, and at the same time generate a lot of good media for ARFCOM and gunowners? They're the only Enfields i have, I sent my No4 mk1/2 to my brother in Australia last week Say, Bradders, out of curiosity, how much mil-surp .303 ammo do you have in the U.K.? Is it as hard to find as it is over here in the States? |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:08:23 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
In a bizarre twist of fate, Canada ended up sending a pile of Inglis BHPs to Belgium after WWII. They used it as an excuse to foist off a bunch of No. 1 tangent-sight models they didn't want. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sending Enfield No. 4's to Canada would be like shipping coals to Newcastle. In a bizarre twist of fate, Canada ended up sending a pile of Inglis BHPs to Belgium after WWII. They used it as an excuse to foist off a bunch of No. 1 tangent-sight models they didn't want. My very first firearm. I purchased it from a friends family member, just returning from a stint in Germany. That was in.. '87 or so. I was about 16 at the time. As far as the OP goes, no I would not. I doubt the Canadian government would allow it to happen anyway. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:18:40 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FUCK NO!!! If Canada truly values their Canadian Rangers then they can easily cover the cost of new rifles. A red sweatshirt and a sixty year old rifle tells me that Canada doesn't really give a shit. Canada gives a shit..the Rangers are the eyes and ears up north...not the frst line of defense. They also train soliders on winter survival techniques. I would be extremely surprised if this issue is being driven by the boots on the ground. The other issue that isn't being mentioned because it would cause a shit storm is..letting a member of the armed forces take a military issued semi auto rifle (C7 variant) home with them. If I was a betting man..I think Colt Canada will try and sell them on an ar platform in 308. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:19:38 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In a bizarre twist of fate, Canada ended up sending a pile of Inglis BHPs to Belgium after WWII. They used it as an excuse to foist off a bunch of No. 1 tangent-sight models they didn't want. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sending Enfield No. 4's to Canada would be like shipping coals to Newcastle. In a bizarre twist of fate, Canada ended up sending a pile of Inglis BHPs to Belgium after WWII. They used it as an excuse to foist off a bunch of No. 1 tangent-sight models they didn't want. I got me a tangent sight Inglis. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:20:01 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as the OP goes, no I would not.
I doubt the Canadian government would allow it to happen anyway. There's a very slim chance it would happen. But if we offered 500 rifles, gratis, it would embarrass a number of people, and shed some welcome positive light on us. Kudos to whomever volunteered 9 rifles. That's a generous offer. Canadian members - we would find a Canadian shipment point for you to assemble your contributions @. Fluffy's house if he could find room amongst his Garands.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:22:21 PM EDT
[#38]
Why don't they retire their rifles so I can buy one at BIG5 for $99?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:26:22 PM EDT
[#39]
I'll trade my No. 4 for a Canuck imported Chinese M14.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:26:50 PM EDT
[#40]
Donate a gun to a country that if if you accidently drove into theirs with an AR15 or other undeclared firearm would throw you in the stockade? Nah.
I do admire them for watching our border and the northern front, but that's their national security at stake as well. They can afford to buy their own rifles. If they loosened their gun laws, I think I could find a rifle or two to donate... |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:27:07 PM EDT
[#41]
I only have one, and am not about to give it up.
You want to know what is going to happen to the Enfields that the Canadian government is retiring? They are going to be torched. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:28:43 PM EDT
[#42]
Canadian issue FAL (IIRC they were never issued full automatic versions) would be an equitable trade.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:31:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Donate a gun to a country that if if you accidently drove into theirs with an AR15 or other undeclared firearm would throw you in the stockade? Nah.
I do admire them for watching our border and the northern front, but that's their national security at stake as well. They can afford to buy their own rifles. If they loosened their gun laws, I think I could find a rifle or two to donate... And the positive media spin for us, and the embarrassment it would cause the politicians might give our Top Hat friends the wiggle room to achieve some gains. Play the long game... |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:31:26 PM EDT
[#44]
Nope, but I'd trade it even for a C8 or Norinco M14S. I'd also settle for a PGW Coyote.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:32:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Time to upgrade them to p17's
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:33:28 PM EDT
[#46]
The No.4 is one of my favorite rifles, sadly I only have one.
If I had several of them and knew that they would find a good home I'd be willing to donate some, but not my only rifle That being said, I MAY have a few minor parts that could go to the cause. ETA: sounds to me like they need to open the doors on the Longbranch plant again. I'd be in for one or two. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:35:28 PM EDT
[#47]
Even if I had them, NO.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:36:59 PM EDT
[#48]
No.
I want to buy an Enfield or three. I have no interest in letting go. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:56:09 PM EDT
[#49]
Entertainingly enough, it is not do to a lack of spare parts nomatter what my illustrious .gov says, thwy were destroying cases of never issued No4 rifles as recently as 5 years ago (can't sell them to us subjects now...)
I think they just want a more modern firearm, though I am not sure why they are sticking with 303 unless the rumours of us having great stockpiles of ammo are true |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 5:00:23 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I only have one, and am not about to give it up. You want to know what is going to happen to the Enfields that the Canadian government is retiring? They are going to be torched.
We should declare war, and liberate the Canadian North. |
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