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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:00:19 AM EDT
Deny Global Warming, will you?
As the climate warms, the vine that ate the U.S. South is starting to gnaw at parts of the North, too.
Kudzu, a three-leafed weed first planted in the U.S. more than 100 years ago for the beauty of its purple blossoms, has been spotted in every county in Georgia, Alabama and North Carolina. It chokes young trees, brings down power lines and infests abandoned homes. Now the plant, which can grow as fast as a foot (30 cm) per day, is creeping northward, wrapping itself around smokestacks in Ohio, overwhelming Illinois backyards and even jumping Lake Erie to establish a beachhead in Ontario, Canada. Fluffy, have you seen your bulldog lately? 
Kudzu’s roots are starchy enough to make them a potential biofuel source, similar to corn, according to a paper by researchers led by Rowan Sage of the University of Toronto. Doug Mizell, a 61-year-old self-described tinkerer in Cleveland, Tennessee, said he successfully concocted fuel from kudzu in his garage laboratory in 2007.  Distill it, FTW!
Jerry King said he battled kudzu for 10 years in the backyard of his Thebes, Illinois, home in the 1990s and 2000s. Neighbors planted it and it spread to more than an acre of a wooded area on his property, killing several trees, King said.
“It got down to the point that I thought every year I wouldn’t have any more, and the next year I’d see a little sprig show up,” said King, 78, who has lived on his 8-acre property for 50 years. Plant some in Chicago. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:16:38 AM EDT
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The only vines I want in my yard also grow a foot a day....... But they're called hops
 . Mine are young, so they only grow a few inches a day at the moment.
Ok, so its technically a bine, but close enough. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:19:58 AM EDT
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The only vines I want in my yard also grow a foot a day....... But they're called hops . Mine are young, so they only grow a few inches a day at the moment.
Ok, so its technically a bine, but close enough. I tried to grow Fuggles and Cascade down here but didn't have much luck. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:20:07 AM EDT
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More global warming bullshit even though plants can ADAPT to cooler temps.
Global warming made me short and gingerish. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:23:56 AM EDT
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Edit: There are some things in my garden / yard that laugh at chemicals I throw on it, such as creeping Charlie, but nothing laughs when the propane torch comes out. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:25:31 AM EDT
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The most EXTREME estimate of the global temperature increase is only 0.5 degrees C..
Do you mean to tell me a 0.5C change in global temperatures is causing a vine to go all batshit crazy and travel northward to the "warmer climate." GTFOH... If you still believe in man-made global warming the scientific community is laughing at you... I'll just leave this right here: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/06/110614-sun-hibernation-solar-cycle-sunspots-space-science/ |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:26:58 AM EDT
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So it is like evil Morning Glory?
Morning Glory is bad enough as is. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:31:26 AM EDT
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So it is like evil Morning Glory? Morning Glory is bad enough as is. I'll see your Morning Glory and raise you 
wild violet. Yeah, you can use Roundup, but you'll kill the good grass too. I'm trying triclopyr @ 1oz per gallon of water. Seems to be about right. As for "Global Warming" @ 05:30 I was walking the dog and the temp was 63*. In Alabama in July. Sumpin' ain't right 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:32:21 AM EDT
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So it is like evil Morning Glory? Morning Glory is bad enough as is. No comparison. Kudzu will take over entire towns and forests before it is over with. It will completely cover and kill mature hardwood trees in a few years. Will cover abandoned cars and houses if not kept under control. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:32:34 AM EDT
[#9]
To our Yankee brothers and sisters....You're welcome 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:34:00 AM EDT
[#10]
Plant that shit in Detroit and it will look even more like the jungle it is.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:35:05 AM EDT
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To our Yankee brothers and sisters....You're welcome Yeah, every now and then one of them will post the pic of Sherman- "Do I have to come down there again?" we've got kudzu now, Uncle Billy. Just you try it.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:35:33 AM EDT
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I'm battling wild passion fruit vines in my backyard right now...I think I might welcome kudzu in their place. My wife likes the flowers - I think she's secretly reseeding it
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:36:30 AM EDT
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lol Canada must be really warm
In Canada, kudzu has been found in a 0.5-hectare (1.23-acre) spot on the shores of Lake Erie near Leamington, Ontario, said Michael Irvine, the province’s vegetative management specialist with the Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry. It’s “pure speculation” how it got there, he said. doomberg |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:37:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Jerry King said he battled kudzu for 10 years in the backyard of his Thebes, Illinois, home in the 1990s and 2000s. Neighbors planted it and it spread to more than an acre of a wooded area on his property, killing several trees, King said. If my neighbor planted kuzdu on purpose, I'd killdoze his house. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:38:21 AM EDT
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To our Yankee brothers and sisters....You're welcome
now you can learn kudzu jumping! !! |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:38:54 AM EDT
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There is not nearly as much kudzu in GA as there use to be. Maybe it is just migrating.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:40:21 AM EDT
[#17]
Meh. I encourage global warming. Just waiting for the hogs to make it up this way.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:40:37 AM EDT
[#18]
Would Kudzu beat Bamboo in a fight?
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:42:19 AM EDT
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Would Kudzu beat Bamboo in a fight? Kudzu Vs Bamboo. Which will win? In my hometown. I noticed this about a year ago. So far looks like a draw. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:43:33 AM EDT
[#20]
Get a goat, problem solved.
Seeing kudzu take over a forest is pretty surreal, though. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:44:23 AM EDT
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Even the goats are afraid of it.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:45:30 AM EDT
[#22]
Well, at least now Soylent Green can be made from kudzu instead of people.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:47:20 AM EDT
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Rather have giant hogweed and go blind without beating off:
Giant hogweed is a phototoxic plant. Its sap can cause phytophotodermatitis (severe skin inflammations) when the skin is exposed to sunlight or to ultraviolet rays. Initially, the skin colours red and starts itching. Then blisters form as it burns within 48 hours. They form black or purplish scars that can last several years. Hospitalisation may be necessary.  Presence of minute amounts of sap in the eyes can lead to temporary or even permanent blindness.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracleum_mantegazzianum#cite_note-12][12][/url] These reactions are caused by the presence of linear derivatives of furocoumarin in its leaves, roots, stems, flowers and seeds. These chemicals can get into the nucleus of the epithelial cells, forming a bond with the DNA, causing the cells to die. The brown colour is caused by the production of melanin by furocoumarins.  |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:47:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More global warming bullshit even though plants can ADAPT to cooler temps. Global warming made me short and gingerish. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:48:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kudzu Vs Bamboo. Which will win? In my hometown. I noticed this about a year ago. So far looks like a draw. http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/jmadonia/Kudzuvsbamboo.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would Kudzu beat Bamboo in a fight? Kudzu Vs Bamboo. Which will win? In my hometown. I noticed this about a year ago. So far looks like a draw. http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/jmadonia/Kudzuvsbamboo.jpg Keep us posted, as a new resident of the south, I find this fascinating. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:59:58 AM EDT
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Get a goat, problem solved. Seeing kudzu take over a forest is pretty surreal, though. The only way to get rid of it that really works is to bulldoze everything, get rid of all the trees and everything else. Grade it smooth, plant grass, and keep it mowed. It is damn near impossible to get rid of it any other way that I have seen. You could use chemicals but that would kill everything else anyway and most likely some of it would survive and start taking over again. I have heard of using goats but you have to be able to fence in the area which can be near impossible in a lot of cases. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 2:23:57 PM EDT
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The only way to get rid of it that really works is to bulldoze everything, get rid of all the trees and everything else. Grade it smooth, plant grass, and keep it mowed. It is damn near impossible to get rid of it any other way that I have seen. You could use chemicals but that would kill everything else anyway and most likely some of it would survive and start taking over again. I have heard of using goats but you have to be able to fence in the area which can be near impossible in a lot of cases. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get a goat, problem solved. Seeing kudzu take over a forest is pretty surreal, though. The only way to get rid of it that really works is to bulldoze everything, get rid of all the trees and everything else. Grade it smooth, plant grass, and keep it mowed. It is damn near impossible to get rid of it any other way that I have seen. You could use chemicals but that would kill everything else anyway and most likely some of it would survive and start taking over again. I have heard of using goats but you have to be able to fence in the area which can be near impossible in a lot of cases. Burn it first before bulldozing to remove the roots, just for the personal satisfaction. Fire is great kudzu therapy. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 2:59:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only way to get rid of it that really works is to bulldoze everything, get rid of all the trees and everything else. Grade it smooth, plant grass, and keep it mowed. It is damn near impossible to get rid of it any other way that I have seen. You could use chemicals but that would kill everything else anyway and most likely some of it would survive and start taking over again. I have heard of using goats but you have to be able to fence in the area which can be near impossible in a lot of cases. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get a goat, problem solved. Seeing kudzu take over a forest is pretty surreal, though. The only way to get rid of it that really works is to bulldoze everything, get rid of all the trees and everything else. Grade it smooth, plant grass, and keep it mowed. It is damn near impossible to get rid of it any other way that I have seen. You could use chemicals but that would kill everything else anyway and most likely some of it would survive and start taking over again. I have heard of using goats but you have to be able to fence in the area which can be near impossible in a lot of cases. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:05:38 PM EDT
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"In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway. Feel better, champ."
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:06:32 PM EDT
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Kudzu Vs Bamboo. Which will win? In my hometown. I noticed this about a year ago. So far looks like a draw. <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/jmadonia/media/Kudzuvsbamboo.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/jmadonia/Kudzuvsbamboo.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would Kudzu beat Bamboo in a fight? Kudzu Vs Bamboo. Which will win? In my hometown. I noticed this about a year ago. So far looks like a draw. <a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/jmadonia/media/Kudzuvsbamboo.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/jmadonia/Kudzuvsbamboo.jpg</a> Great...a kudzu/bamboo hybrid. Probably immune to chemicals and fire. Increases potency of chiggers. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:37:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:42:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:44:56 PM EDT
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Fuckin' CANADA?
No fuckin' way! Quoted: Would Kudzu beat Bamboo in a fight? Kudzu would win the foliage wars during active growing seasons, but bamboo roots would prevail in the long run. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 1:55:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More global warming bullshit even though plants can ADAPT to cooler temps. Global warming made me short and gingerish. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:01:24 AM EDT
[#35]
So that's what is growing in my yard. I've all but decimated that fucker three times this year. From a foot tall, to over six in about a two months, especially when it rains.
ETA: Maybe not, mine has tons of thicker branches that grow vines that flower purple bottle washers, but grows like a motherfucker. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:07:38 AM EDT
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There's been tons of kudzu in Kentucky for as long as I can remember and I'm 37. Is the climate in Illinois and Ohio really THAT different? Sure, they probably average a bit colder temps in the winter and have more colder days, but not enough to be considered that significant. Besides, kudzu goes dormant and turns brown in the winter. Then it comes back with a vengeance when warm weather returns. It isn't like it as a "green all year" form of vegetation. It has survived winters in my area where the mercury has dropped to minus 20. So it doesn't surprise me that it can survive farther north. I don't think it has anything to do with global warming. Shit just eventually has a way of spreading. Stuff that wasn't around 10 years ago may be here today.
Now, when cotton starts springing up in IL, IN, OH, MI and Ontario, I might listen to you when it comes to global warming. 
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:46:37 AM EDT
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The one I started in NC was doing fine in the clay pot but seems very unhappy now that it.s in the ground.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:48:24 AM EDT
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I live in southwest MS and it's not near as bad as it used to be. Really rom Natchez up thru Vicksburg and following the Natchez Trace route it's pretty thick. Here where I'm at currently you hardly ever notice and normally it's at a low west spot like where a road crosses a creek or something.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:57:42 AM EDT
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Goats FTW.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:59:56 AM EDT
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More global warming bullshit even though plants can ADAPT to cooler temps. Global warming made me short and gingerish. It has gotten to the point when I read people in denial all I can do is
It has been proven despite the few scientific tards that claim it isn't |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:23:29 AM EDT
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No comparison. Kudzu will take over entire towns and forests before it is over with. It will completely cover and kill mature hardwood trees in a few years. Will cover abandoned cars and houses if not kept under control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So it is like evil Morning Glory? Morning Glory is bad enough as is. No comparison. Kudzu will take over entire towns and forests before it is over with. It will completely cover and kill mature hardwood trees in a few years. Will cover abandoned cars and houses if not kept under control. We've had it on our property in eastern KY since 1980. The property is unattended, 200 acres of hardwoods. It hasn't killed any trees. It does cover areas but seems to stay in one spot that it likes and hasn't spread to the rest of the land. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:31:14 AM EDT
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It has gotten to the point when I read people in denial all I can do is
It has been proven despite the few scientific tards that claim it isn't Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More global warming bullshit even though plants can ADAPT to cooler temps. Global warming made me short and gingerish. It has gotten to the point when I read people in denial all I can do is
It has been proven despite the few scientific tards that claim it isn't No. No it hasn't. Not when uncorrupted evidence is objectively examined by qualified individuals. And if you're trying to say it's because of man, how many SUVs were driving around in 1300 when it was much warmer than it is now. Not to mention the fact that over the millions of years life has existed on the planet, it has been both much cooler and much warmer than now. So, what makes us think that the temperature of the Earth was PERFECT on the year we were born and any deviation is bad and we must throw money at it? GW is bull shit and all you have to do is follow the money to see it. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:40:03 AM EDT
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No. No it hasn't. Not when uncorrupted evidence is objectively examined by qualified individuals. And if you're trying to say it's because of man, how many SUVs were driving around in 1300 when it was much warmer than it is now. Not to mention the fact that over the millions of years life has existed on the planet, it has been both much cooler and much warmer than now. So, what makes us think that the temperature of the Earth was PERFECT on the year we were born and any deviation is bad and we must throw money at it? GW is bull shit and all you have to do is follow the money to see it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More global warming bullshit even though plants can ADAPT to cooler temps. Global warming made me short and gingerish. It has gotten to the point when I read people in denial all I can do is
It has been proven despite the few scientific tards that claim it isn't No. No it hasn't. Not when uncorrupted evidence is objectively examined by qualified individuals. And if you're trying to say it's because of man, how many SUVs were driving around in 1300 when it was much warmer than it is now. Not to mention the fact that over the millions of years life has existed on the planet, it has been both much cooler and much warmer than now. So, what makes us think that the temperature of the Earth was PERFECT on the year we were born and any deviation is bad and we must throw money at it? GW is bull shit and all you have to do is follow the money to see it. Applause.gif |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:40:56 AM EDT
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Wonder will cattle eat this stuff
If so seems a great sorce of feed |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:53:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. No it hasn't. Not when uncorrupted evidence is objectively examined by qualified individuals. And if you're trying to say it's because of man, how many SUVs were driving around in 1300 when it was much warmer than it is now. Not to mention the fact that over the millions of years life has existed on the planet, it has been both much cooler and much warmer than now. So, what makes us think that the temperature of the Earth was PERFECT on the year we were born and any deviation is bad and we must throw money at it? GW is bull shit and all you have to do is follow the money to see it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: More global warming bullshit even though plants can ADAPT to cooler temps. Global warming made me short and gingerish. It has gotten to the point when I read people in denial all I can do is It has been proven despite the few scientific tards that claim it isn't No. No it hasn't. Not when uncorrupted evidence is objectively examined by qualified individuals. And if you're trying to say it's because of man, how many SUVs were driving around in 1300 when it was much warmer than it is now. Not to mention the fact that over the millions of years life has existed on the planet, it has been both much cooler and much warmer than now. So, what makes us think that the temperature of the Earth was PERFECT on the year we were born and any deviation is bad and we must throw money at it? GW is bull shit and all you have to do is follow the money to see it. 2) "Following the money" works both ways. It is true that strongest opponents of the theory have a monetary or personal stake it convincing people that we shouldn't take the action on it that the liberals want (hell, we ALL HAVE such an incentive.) The problem is, many opponents of the theory have convinced themselves that its okay lie and make things up to get people to disbelieve in it. Litterally the ends DO justify the means. Maybe AGW is real, but the fact that we shouldn't ruin our economy and way of life to "stop" it, causes people to kick in to "denial at all costs, even if I have to lie" mode. "Global warming is not happening, cherry picked data says its getting cooler, it is warming but it is natural, other planets are warming, the warming isn't bad for us, climatologists don't know about ice ages, climatologist don't know about the sun, climatologists are all just lying, its a conspiracy for grant money." Its crazy when you hear ALL of these things from one person. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:55:03 AM EDT
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Kudzu can grow in colder climates just not as well. It grows up on the mountains in Korea and Hokkaido. The climate in the South is ideal for it to grow rapidly.
Kudzu is used in Asian medicine and food. I've had noodles made with kudzu and it's not bad. Dig the Kudzu up and export it back to Asia. Or use it feed the hungry or livestock. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:55:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder will cattle eat this stuff If so seems a great sorce of feed |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:57:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kudzu can grow in colder climates just not as well. It grows up on the mountains in Korea and Hokkaido. The climate in the South is ideal for it to grow rapidly. Kudzu is used in Asian medicine and food. I've had noodles made with kudzu and it's not bad. Dig the Kudzu up and use it to feed the hungry. ETA:: I found this: http://www.thekitchn.com/did-you-know-you-can-eat-kudzu-92488 Now I want to make kudzu wine. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:58:37 AM EDT
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For 140 years kudzu has waited. Watching. Planning. Now, it has decided to adapt and make its move!
Seriously though this shit is awful. Though they eat it in Japan. The tubers are supposedly six feet long. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:01:04 AM EDT
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1) Climatology does not claim the CO2 level alone explain every climatic shift ever. "Changes happened before without man, so man can't possibly be having an effect now" is not realistic at all. Sure, it could mean climate shifts now and in the past are the same, but it may not and a new mechanism is at play. The only way to say with confidence is to demonstrate the mechanism of change. I agree that without knowing the mechanism to a high degree of confidence we can't reasonably "take drastic action to 'stop' AGW" that in reality will do little to actually "stop" AGW. 2) "Following the money" works both ways. It is true that strongest opponents of the theory have a monetary or personal stake it convincing people that we shouldn't take the action on it that the liberals want (hell, we ALL HAVE such an incentive.) The problem is, many opponents of the theory have convinced themselves that its okay lie and make things up to get people to disbelieve in it. Litterally the ends DO justify the means. Maybe AGW is real, but the fact that we shouldn't ruin our economy and way of life to "stop" it, causes people to kick in to "denial at all costs, even if I have to lie" mode. "Global warming is not happening, cherry picked data says its getting cooler, it is warming but it is natural, other planets are warming, the warming isn't bad for us, climatologists don't know about ice ages, climatologist don't know about the sun, climatologists are all just lying, its a conspiracy for grant money." Its crazy when you hear ALL of these things from one person. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More global warming bullshit even though plants can ADAPT to cooler temps. Global warming made me short and gingerish. It has gotten to the point when I read people in denial all I can do is
It has been proven despite the few scientific tards that claim it isn't No. No it hasn't. Not when uncorrupted evidence is objectively examined by qualified individuals. And if you're trying to say it's because of man, how many SUVs were driving around in 1300 when it was much warmer than it is now. Not to mention the fact that over the millions of years life has existed on the planet, it has been both much cooler and much warmer than now. So, what makes us think that the temperature of the Earth was PERFECT on the year we were born and any deviation is bad and we must throw money at it? GW is bull shit and all you have to do is follow the money to see it. 2) "Following the money" works both ways. It is true that strongest opponents of the theory have a monetary or personal stake it convincing people that we shouldn't take the action on it that the liberals want (hell, we ALL HAVE such an incentive.) The problem is, many opponents of the theory have convinced themselves that its okay lie and make things up to get people to disbelieve in it. Litterally the ends DO justify the means. Maybe AGW is real, but the fact that we shouldn't ruin our economy and way of life to "stop" it, causes people to kick in to "denial at all costs, even if I have to lie" mode. "Global warming is not happening, cherry picked data says its getting cooler, it is warming but it is natural, other planets are warming, the warming isn't bad for us, climatologists don't know about ice ages, climatologist don't know about the sun, climatologists are all just lying, its a conspiracy for grant money." Its crazy when you hear ALL of these things from one person. I don't even bother any more. ARFcom likes its science how it likes its freedom...selectively. |
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