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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:13:34 PM EDT
[#1]
Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:13:39 PM EDT
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You lied.
Is this the job you want? If you have to lie to get considered do you think it will end well? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:13:53 PM EDT
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How old are you?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:14:54 PM EDT
[#4]
Seems wrong and right.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:17:02 PM EDT
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Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class. This, how soon before the SSDI application? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:19:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:19:29 PM EDT
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You can lie on your application, but then you can't be a neckbeard/brony at work, either.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:19:47 PM EDT
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Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class. Lulz |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:20:11 PM EDT
[#9]
#JustNeckBeardThings?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:20:55 PM EDT
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How old are you? middle aged. in retrospect, the emphasis on alcohol may have been a bit exaggerated. I'm currently on bourbon #4 of the evening, but there are many hours in a night. Also, I'm working an eight-hour shift at my current job tomorrow before the interview, so indulgence (or overindulgence) is unlikely to be a significant factor. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:20:57 PM EDT
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I have never administered a test that was multiple choice that is leading. My tests ask questions like:
1) If you could pick any kind of dog to be, which would you choose? 2) What was the worst thing about your last job? 3) What is your best trait? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:20:59 PM EDT
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They are discriminating against anti-introverts? Sounds like a dream company to me. Can I telecommute from the basement?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:21:25 PM EDT
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OP, as a fellow introvert I feel your frustration. I too am an introvert, and i see these biases too. I tend to base my answers on what the people want to see, even though it isn't always true. The job market is a bitch.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:21:27 PM EDT
[#14]
You got the interview.
That's where you'll get a better handle on things. Many companies outsource the personality screening, etc. I wouldn't feel too bad about it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:21:27 PM EDT
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Obviously they want only two sorts of employees: extroverts and people smart enough to pretend to be extroverts.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:25:00 PM EDT
[#16]
Did you fake your resume too?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:26:11 PM EDT
[#17]
They don't want you, and you don't want them. What's so hard about this?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:26:37 PM EDT
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Did you fake your resume too? lol 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:27:11 PM EDT
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Well, given such things are HR boilerplate BS I typically give them no mind. Sometimes you just need to get "in the door" and given most companies are as ethical as a drug dealer any more, that's a two-way street. Don't get me wrong, HR is a necessary evil for most places but is mostly interested in finding a candidate with the bess social fit, not necessarily the best qualified.
I remember a previous employer that required an in depth HR interview prior to an interview for the job. All of it was quasi illegal questioning about personality, background, social classification and how I viewed being a 'Corporate citizen.' Pretty much lost all interests in the job at that point because it became clear the place, (less than a 1000 employees,) was a good 'ol boy place looking for yes men. Stupid me still took the job after the interview and generous offer; after 3 mos I knew I should have trusted my gut. Place was unethical as hell and practiced, ahem, questionable business practices and encouraged their employees to lie to vendors. I made it a year and a half before I hit my wall and left. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:28:11 PM EDT
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If they want the person you are not why not let them have him, why give false impressions to get a job from someone who is looking for something you're not? Yeah you need a job but already you're complaining how they are sticking it to you by requiring you be something that you're not. They made efforts to find the perfect employee for their needs and you have already worked against the prosective employers disired outcome by lying. They don't owe you a job or anything else and they sure as shit are not responsible for your decison to answer your test question dishonestly. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:28:12 PM EDT
[#21]
How do you know what a passing grade is on that test?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:29:08 PM EDT
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Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class. don't confuse things. I don't like people, but I GET WHAT'S MINE. there's no beta in my game... it's just quiet and calculated. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:29:52 PM EDT
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My job had a similar "test". I failed the test, but was still hired due to the huge need for qualified people. Two years later, and I have surged well ahead of all of my peers. Take the job if it is one that you want, and do your thing.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:33:10 PM EDT
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I'm an introvert by nature.
Suck it up and fake it if that's what is called for. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:34:34 PM EDT
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The use of personality tests that are biased against introverts is a result of HR people being bitter over the fact that more introverted roles (like engineering) make way-more money than HR.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:35:33 PM EDT
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Meh, you go to work and you write code, or drive a truck, or fix fenders; and you put on the personality they like for 8 hours. It's just part of the job, hang it at the door on your way out each day and be yourself. Do you think those overly friendly car salesmen are really like that away from work?
I question your dedication to your introvertedness (hehe), seems you would have not even applied and certainly not tried so hard to get the job. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:36:23 PM EDT
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don't confuse things. I don't like people, but I GET WHAT'S MINE. there's no beta in my game... it's just quiet and calculated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class. don't confuse things. I don't like people, but I GET WHAT'S MINE. there's no beta in my game... it's just quiet and calculated. Sounds betaish to me. Some careers aren't made for your kind |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:36:39 PM EDT
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don't confuse things. I don't like people, but I GET WHAT'S MINE. there's no beta in my game... it's just quiet and calculated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class. don't confuse things. I don't like people, but I GET WHAT'S MINE. there's no beta in my game... it's just quiet and calculated. You probably don't have a single damn wolf on your shirt right now Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:36:54 PM EDT
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Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class. Introvert =/= beta |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:37:18 PM EDT
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I haven't applied for a job in like 20 years, so I can only imagine how absolutely stupid the process is now. I can imagine how annoying that test is though.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:37:51 PM EDT
[#31]
In before the inevitable discovery of familiarity.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:39:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Wait, are they testing your personality, or your ability to act on demand?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:39:22 PM EDT
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Interesting. For most jobs, there are thousands of people who either a) can do the job or b) can be trained to do the job. Personality is far more important than technical skills, particularly since you tend to spend 8+ hours a day with your co-workers. It seems like these types of questions are completely relevant and fair. No one wants to spends all day working next to an anti-social outcast. Anti-social employees can be a drain on the productivity of the entire organization.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:39:50 PM EDT
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How dare a company model their hiring policy based on what they feel are important qualities. They should rewrite all their practices around every person that interviews!
The personality test is just to see if you know what the ideal answers are. In the interview is where you are honest about your personality and you will either shine or it will sink you.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:40:04 PM EDT
[#35]
Keep drinking
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:40:25 PM EDT
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Interesting. For most jobs, there are thousands of people who either a) can do the job or b) can be trained to do the job. Personality is far more important than technical skills, particularly since you tend to spend 8+ hours a day with your co-workers. It seems like these types of questions are completely relevant and fair. No one wants to spends all day working next to an anti-social outcast. Anti-social employees can be a drain on the productivity of the entire organization. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Interesting. For most jobs, there are thousands of people who either a) can do the job or b) can be trained to do the job. Personality is far more important than technical skills, particularly since you tend to spend 8+ hours a day with your co-workers. It seems like these types of questions are completely relevant and fair. No one wants to spends all day working next to an anti-social outcast. Anti-social employees can be a drain on the productivity of the entire organization. This bit from the What your boss probably wants you to know thread seems pretty relevant to your point. 1. Your Attitude Matters Almost as Much as Your Work
You might think that if you do great work, that’s all that matters—but attitude and interpersonal skills can matter a great deal. Healthy organizations have low tolerance for difficult personalities, in part because managing a team can be exhausting, and it gets significantly harder when a team member is resistant to feedback, difficult to work with, or just plain unpleasant. If you complain frequently, regularly shoot down ideas, or act like the office prima donna, your boss probably considers you a pain to deal with, even if she never says so. That could result in you getting less interesting work assignments, less flexibility, lower raises, and a higher chance of ending up at the top of the list if cuts ever need to be made—yes, even if your work product is stellar. To be clear, that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t speak up if you disagree or are unhappy. Good managers value input. But if you find yourself resisting more projects than you embrace or if you get feedback that you’re coming across as negative or combative rather than constructive, there’s a problem. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:40:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: don't confuse things. I don't like people, but I GET WHAT'S MINE. there's no beta in my game... it's just quiet and calculated. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class. don't confuse things. I don't like people, but I GET WHAT'S MINE. there's no beta in my game... it's just quiet and calculated. They aren't mutually exclusive. I'm an introvert. I'm definitely not a beta. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:41:14 PM EDT
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You probably don't have a single damn wolf on your shirt right now Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class. don't confuse things. I don't like people, but I GET WHAT'S MINE. there's no beta in my game... it's just quiet and calculated. You probably don't have a single damn wolf on your shirt right now Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile damn... ya got me there lmao |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:43:43 PM EDT
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Seems wrong to me but beta isn't a federally protected class. What the fuck about being an introvert means that you're beta? Op: I'd do whatever it takes to get employed at a decent place. If the machine wants a blue duck, I'll quack and paint myself blue. I've got school loans to pay off. Maybe HR forgot to give the execs of the company a personality test to weed out the ones that would create golden parachutes for themselves as they crashed and burned the company.. fk 'em. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:45:39 PM EDT
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Watch and learn.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:48:55 PM EDT
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This bit from the What your boss probably wants you to know thread seems pretty relevant to your point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting. For most jobs, there are thousands of people who either a) can do the job or b) can be trained to do the job. Personality is far more important than technical skills, particularly since you tend to spend 8+ hours a day with your co-workers. It seems like these types of questions are completely relevant and fair. No one wants to spends all day working next to an anti-social outcast. Anti-social employees can be a drain on the productivity of the entire organization. This bit from the What your boss probably wants you to know thread seems pretty relevant to your point. 1. Your Attitude Matters Almost as Much as Your Work
You might think that if you do great work, that’s all that matters—but attitude and interpersonal skills can matter a great deal. Healthy organizations have low tolerance for difficult personalities, in part because managing a team can be exhausting, and it gets significantly harder when a team member is resistant to feedback, difficult to work with, or just plain unpleasant. If you complain frequently, regularly shoot down ideas, or act like the office prima donna, your boss probably considers you a pain to deal with, even if she never says so. That could result in you getting less interesting work assignments, less flexibility, lower raises, and a higher chance of ending up at the top of the list if cuts ever need to be made—yes, even if your work product is stellar. To be clear, that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t speak up if you disagree or are unhappy. Good managers value input. But if you find yourself resisting more projects than you embrace or if you get feedback that you’re coming across as negative or combative rather than constructive, there’s a problem. In most cases just bullshitting around and doing the bare minimum will net you the most advancement and money. Carry on bullshitters
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:51:00 PM EDT
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If folks in HR were on an intellectual level somewhat above amoebas or attorneys, then I'd say it would be wrong to "game" an evaluation like that.
But HR folks are really the bottom of the barrel when it comes to intelligence. Just one of many examples. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:53:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm an introvert by nature. Suck it up and fake it if that's what is called for. Nobody at work cares about you being you OP. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:53:44 PM EDT
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If folks in HR were on an intellectual level somewhat above amoebas or attorneys, then I'd say it would be wrong to "game" an evaluation like that. But HR folks are really the bottom of the barrel when it comes to intelligence. Just one of many examples. They're going to make up their own shit in order to pass on certain people. In that case I don't think that the HR rep was stupid, I think that he/she was purposely choosing a specific way to disqualify the person interviewing for the job. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:55:28 PM EDT
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This bit from the What your boss probably wants you to know thread seems pretty relevant to your point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting. For most jobs, there are thousands of people who either a) can do the job or b) can be trained to do the job. Personality is far more important than technical skills, particularly since you tend to spend 8+ hours a day with your co-workers. It seems like these types of questions are completely relevant and fair. No one wants to spends all day working next to an anti-social outcast. Anti-social employees can be a drain on the productivity of the entire organization. This bit from the What your boss probably wants you to know thread seems pretty relevant to your point. 1. Your Attitude Matters Almost as Much as Your Work
You might think that if you do great work, that’s all that matters—but attitude and interpersonal skills can matter a great deal. Healthy organizations have low tolerance for difficult personalities, in part because managing a team can be exhausting, and it gets significantly harder when a team member is resistant to feedback, difficult to work with, or just plain unpleasant. If you complain frequently, regularly shoot down ideas, or act like the office prima donna, your boss probably considers you a pain to deal with, even if she never says so. That could result in you getting less interesting work assignments, less flexibility, lower raises, and a higher chance of ending up at the top of the list if cuts ever need to be made—yes, even if your work product is stellar. To be clear, that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t speak up if you disagree or are unhappy. Good managers value input. But if you find yourself resisting more projects than you embrace or if you get feedback that you’re coming across as negative or combative rather than constructive, there’s a problem. These are all things I've seen for myself over the past few decades and agree with. I put on the correct mask every day when I walk through the door of my current employer. I act the part for my 8 hours. I guess I'm just frustrated with the expectation that I conform to the norms of thought when I have just as much value as others in terms of output. My opinions are my business. What I produce for their business should be their primary concern. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:56:33 PM EDT
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Did you fake your resume too? Why should you NOT Fake your Resume'?? Companies consistently misrepresent themselves--What's Good for the Goose, so to Speak!!
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:57:44 PM EDT
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At this point you should just roll with it and see how you do. You may find that the job is something that you like.
Next time don't lie on the form and you won't have to cover for anything. Just learn from the experience and move on with it. Stop drinking because tomorrow you'll feel like shit and that will influence how you do at the interview. Get a good nights sleep, down a glass of warm milk if it will help. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:58:48 PM EDT
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Second post. Spot on as usual.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:59:45 PM EDT
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You mean to tell me that being an irritable-moody-loner-basement dweller is not a desirable thing in a corporate culture? Say it ain't so!!!
Next thing you'll tell me is that bathing is encouraged and maybe even required! 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 7:01:14 PM EDT
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These are all things I've seen for myself over the past few decades and agree with. I put on the correct mask every day when I walk through the door of my current employer. I act the part for my 8 hours. I guess I'm just frustrated with the expectation that I conform to the norms of thought when I have just as much value as others in terms of output. My opinions are my business. What I produce for their business should be their primary concern. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting. For most jobs, there are thousands of people who either a) can do the job or b) can be trained to do the job. Personality is far more important than technical skills, particularly since you tend to spend 8+ hours a day with your co-workers. It seems like these types of questions are completely relevant and fair. No one wants to spends all day working next to an anti-social outcast. Anti-social employees can be a drain on the productivity of the entire organization. This bit from the What your boss probably wants you to know thread seems pretty relevant to your point. 1. Your Attitude Matters Almost as Much as Your Work
You might think that if you do great work, that’s all that matters—but attitude and interpersonal skills can matter a great deal. Healthy organizations have low tolerance for difficult personalities, in part because managing a team can be exhausting, and it gets significantly harder when a team member is resistant to feedback, difficult to work with, or just plain unpleasant. If you complain frequently, regularly shoot down ideas, or act like the office prima donna, your boss probably considers you a pain to deal with, even if she never says so. That could result in you getting less interesting work assignments, less flexibility, lower raises, and a higher chance of ending up at the top of the list if cuts ever need to be made—yes, even if your work product is stellar. To be clear, that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t speak up if you disagree or are unhappy. Good managers value input. But if you find yourself resisting more projects than you embrace or if you get feedback that you’re coming across as negative or combative rather than constructive, there’s a problem. These are all things I've seen for myself over the past few decades and agree with. I put on the correct mask every day when I walk through the door of my current employer. I act the part for my 8 hours. I guess I'm just frustrated with the expectation that I conform to the norms of thought when I have just as much value as others in terms of output. My opinions are my business. What I produce for their business should be their primary concern. How you affect the output of others is arguably more important. If you being difficult to work with decreases overall productivity your individual output is irrelevant. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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