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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:09:05 AM EDT
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That misconception has been debunked several times in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL, wait a minute, Texans can't CCW in church? That misconception has been debunked several times in this thread. Psssh, TL;DR. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:13:03 AM EDT
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wait, matthardcore is Dan TSX? common knowledge. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:13:48 AM EDT
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Dustin Ellerman goes to my church. Nuff said.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:33:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: common knowledge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: wait, matthardcore is Dan TSX? common knowledge. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:38:33 AM EDT
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swat team
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:40:43 AM EDT
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I carry a gun on my ankle when I am taking care of preschoolers with my wife, does that count?
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:43:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: swat team |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:52:20 AM EDT
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Honestly, I figure that church is where some nutjob is the most likely to walk in with a weapon looking to make a name for hiimself. I carry.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:53:36 AM EDT
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plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? Just curious, what FL church has the swat team, with armor and SBR's |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a formal discussion about disaster plans in church is healthy. Encourage a few church members to get CERT certified or go to the FEMA site and take some courses. Security for houses of worship is worthy of discussion and there are legitimate security consultants who specialize in this area. This thread is hard to take seriously because of the assertion that a church formed a SWAT team, carries SBRs, and is "linked" to the local LE swat team. Many non-LE organizations have trained with federal, state, and local LE, that doesn't make them "linked". We're just having a hard time not believing there is trolling happening here. Next we'll be told that this church SWAT team occasionally rolls out with local LE on high-risk warrants. If the OP had stated that the church security team is well-organized and has attended tactical courses hosted by a LE organization or attended training with a LE agency, that would be very believable. I think someone mentioned a sniper team; that is just comedy.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious, what FL church has the swat team, with armor and SBR's Quote HistoryQuoted: your post Just curious, what FL church has the swat team, with armor and SBR's +1 I'm interested in knowing more about this church SWAT team  |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:17:49 PM EDT
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Lol
You had me at "upsurge of violence against Christians". Church SWAT teams is over-the-top lulz |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:19:04 PM EDT
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I think a formal discussion about disaster plans in church is healthy. Encourage a few church members to get CERT certified or go to the FEMA site and take some courses. http://www.fema.gov/training Below is a good example. Where things get screwy is folks who are paranoid about everything and don't have any training try to take over the meeting.
The ICS stuff has no applicability to church security volunteers. Trust me, I have to go through it every licensure period. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:19:20 PM EDT
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I'm not reading 5 pages to catch up.
What upswing in violence against Christians? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:22:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not reading 5 pages to catch up. What upswing in violence against Christians? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:25:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not reading 5 pages to catch up... You really ought to. I strongly suspect you would enjoy it.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You really ought to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not reading 5 pages to catch up... You really ought to. I strongly suspect you would enjoy it. Damn it, since it's you... ETA: A cite would still be appreciated. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:28:36 PM EDT
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I installed cameras at my old church. I still go up there from time to time to help them pull footage off the hard drive for the police, but that's more for random theft and vandalism. My new church has cameras already.
Concealed means concealed. While it may be frowned upon in modern society, there are several stories in the Bible where God defended his church/followers when necessary. Moses drown an entire army! We always sit near an alternate exit with the best available cover, which is a good strategy everywhere you go. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not reading 5 pages to catch up. What upswing in violence against Christians? "Church Security, with the upswing in violence against Christians in America have you changed your..." |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:30:35 PM EDT
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Probably not nearly as interesting, but very different. sometimes I get the gifts of a prophet. I got laughed at in school when I said one day we will have a phone we can carry with us in our pocket and it will work just about anywhere. at hunting camp I got mocked when I said we would have a phone we can listen to music and watch videos on friends thought I was nuts when I said one day we would have an attack on our nation that would shake us to the core maybe I am just better at spotting things that are happening all around us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Y'know, if the "upswing in violence" clause had been omitted and the title just asked about church security plans/teams, this likely would have been a very different thread. sometimes I get the gifts of a prophet. I got laughed at in school when I said one day we will have a phone we can carry with us in our pocket and it will work just about anywhere. at hunting camp I got mocked when I said we would have a phone we can listen to music and watch videos on friends thought I was nuts when I said one day we would have an attack on our nation that would shake us to the core maybe I am just better at spotting things that are happening all around us.  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:34:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: most of the time it someone that is butt hurt against churches, or upset that someone is going to church. Cite? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:37:01 PM EDT
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We are secure at Church.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:41:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not yet. Not YET! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "upswing in violence against Christians"??? Did ISIS make it to America? Not yet. Not YET! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1639004_Law_Enforcement_Firm__Nobody_Will_Complain_About_Militarized_Police_When_ISIS_Attacks.html |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:42:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not reading 5 pages to catch up. What upswing in violence against Christians? "Church Security, with the upswing in violence against Christians in America have you changed your..." Damn it! SWAT teams we got em, SBRs we got em, body armor, check! Now let's get back to the basics, JC said we should love our neighbor, unless they're brown, native, poor and speak Spanish. Merica! |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:42:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not reading 5 pages to catch up. What upswing in violence against Christians? "Church Security, with the upswing in violence against Christians in America have you changed your..."  but if you google it (that is a search engine) not to mention some of the threads you start you will see there is a large growing hatred of Christians in America |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:42:47 PM EDT
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Guys, this might be a troll thread. Well done OP.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:45:23 PM EDT
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Guys, this might be a troll thread. Well done OP. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:45:55 PM EDT
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You guys should PM Gecko45, he would have some key pointers for your churches' QRF. If your ushers aren't wearing plate carriers you aren't being careful enough.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:47:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, like 32 incidents a year. In the entire country. And that is not Christians, but all faiths. That is one weekend in Chicago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: [Jacked up, non-cited source... material deleted - TS] So, like 32 incidents a year. In the entire country. And that is not Christians, but all faiths. That is one weekend in Chicago. And that's not a cite. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think a formal discussion about disaster plans in church is healthy. Encourage a few church members to get CERT certified or go to the FEMA site and take some courses. Security for houses of worship is worthy of discussion and there are legitimate security consultants who specialize in this area. This thread is hard to take seriously because of the assertion that a church formed a SWAT team, carries SBRs, and is "linked" to the local LE swat team. Many non-LE organizations have trained with federal, state, and local LE, that doesn't make them "linked". We're just having a hard time not believing there is trolling happening here. Next we'll be told that this church SWAT team occasionally rolls out with local LE on high-risk warrants. If the OP had stated that the church security team is well-organized and has attended tactical courses hosted by a LE organization or attended training with a LE agency, that would be very believable. I think someone mentioned a sniper team; that is just comedy. Pretty much this. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:49:22 PM EDT
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Lol
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:53:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Church Security, with the upswing in violence against Christians in America have you changed your..." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not reading 5 pages to catch up. What upswing in violence against Christians? "Church Security, with the upswing in violence against Christians in America have you changed your..." Hey I learned how to start topics from you. one of the best. but if you google it (that is a search engine) not to mention some of the threads you start you will see there is a large growing hatred of Christians in America If you'd learned at the feet of the master as you claim, you'd know that I don't allow uncited emperical claims and I also know that assertions require the person doing the asserting to make the citations. You're a poor student indeed. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:04:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Church Security, with the upswing in violence against Christians in America have you changed your..." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not reading 5 pages to catch up. What upswing in violence against Christians? "Church Security, with the upswing in violence against Christians in America have you changed your..." Damn it! SWAT teams we got em, SBRs we got em, body armor, check! Now let's get back to the basics, JC said we should love our neighbor, unless they're brown, native, poor and speak Spanish. Merica! Maybe they could just hire these guys. Baptist Brown Shirts |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think a formal discussion about disaster plans in church is healthy. Encourage a few church members to get CERT certified or go to the FEMA site and take some courses. Security for houses of worship is worthy of discussion and there are legitimate security consultants who specialize in this area. This thread is hard to take seriously because of the assertion that a church formed a SWAT team, carries SBRs, and is "linked" to the local LE swat team. Many non-LE organizations have trained with federal, state, and local LE, that doesn't make them "linked". We're just having a hard time not believing there is trolling happening here. Next we'll be told that this church SWAT team occasionally rolls out with local LE on high-risk warrants. <I never said that> If the OP had stated that the church security team is well-organized and has attended tactical courses hosted by a LE organization or attended training with a LE agency, that would be very believable. I think someone mentioned a sniper team; that is just comedy. they are deployed when dignitaries attend the church Pretty much this. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:23:58 PM EDT
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As a gun owner, and someone who goes out of their way to think about security (like, double cheching to making sure the doors are locked, backing into parking spaces for easy exit, not pulling up too close to people at a red light, insisting my fiance doesn't sit in a dark parking lot in her car fucking with her cell phone, etc) people occasionally accuse me of being paranoid, so I am usually hesitant to throw out that accusation, but god-damn. Some of you people in this thread actually ARE paranoid.
Carry in church? Makes sense. Why not. That's what CCW is for. Worry as if you are more likely to be killed in a mass shooting at church, as opposed to work, or school, or at a retail establishment because you actually believe your own persecution complex? Paranoid. I view churches like movie theaters as far as security goes: Lots of people sitting down in a big room with limited exits focused on something else. Probably about equal risk. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:38:23 PM EDT
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I carry in church. When they were talking about a security team I had a AK pistol laying on the pastors desk, one of the "ladies of the church" totally freaked out.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:28:19 PM EDT
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common knowledge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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wait, matthardcore is Dan TSX? common knowledge. Then why hasn't NorCal booted him? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 4:22:56 PM EDT
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I may or may not know of a church where almost the entire staff CCW. It's not quite a swat team, but I suspect even something like a drive-by would not go so well...
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Posted: 7/22/2014 4:28:23 PM EDT
[#39]
We have some CHL holders.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:49:24 PM EDT
[#40]
This thread provides the laughs. I'm talking finger pointing, unable to form a sentence, help I can barely breathe laughs.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:09:44 PM EDT
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plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? I didn't know that there was an upswing in violence against christian churches in the US. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:59:03 AM EDT
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Organ pipe mortars. 'nuff said. Actually, I am currently between churches, so I have no idea what they do at the two I'm considering. Nothing obvious, that's for sure. Where I used to go, I sat down front and was always nervous about somebody having a flameout during the service (it did happen once but was resolved without violence) or trying to rob the place. They did have the first service's offerings stolen from the church office during the second service one time many years ago. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:01:37 AM EDT
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Same as always. Sidearm, and 3 loaded mags.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:16:41 AM EDT
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what the everloving fuck  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? what the everloving fuck 100% chance that a "church SWAT team that cross trains with an actual SWAT team" is BS. Maybe members of the local PD have given advice / assistance on active shooters but that would be the extent. Deep level of 9.5 |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:25:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% chance that a "church SWAT team that cross trains with an actual SWAT team" is BS. Maybe members of the local PD have given advice / assistance on active shooters but that would be the extent. Deep level of 9.5 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? what the everloving fuck 100% chance that a "church SWAT team that cross trains with an actual SWAT team" is BS. Maybe members of the local PD have given advice / assistance on active shooters but that would be the extent. Deep level of 9.5 |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:28:50 AM EDT
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Looks like I was wrong. The OP is not delusional, Christians are delusional
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:34:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like I was wrong. The OP is not delusional, Christians are delusional Church are soft targets, just like schools, which BTW everyone of our schools has at least one deputy in it, not to mention manufactured homes on the school campuses that deputies can rent at a very low cost and the school board pays their utilities.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:48:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't know that there was an upswing in violence against christian churches in the US. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? I didn't know that there was an upswing in violence against christian churches in the US. There isn't. As demonstrated by his calling attention to my sterling example, if you're going to post about something, at least post about something that is actually happening, irrespective of whether you agree on the degree. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:53:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There isn't. As demonstrated by his calling attention to my sterling example, if you're going to post about something, at least post about something that is actually happening, irrespective of whether you agree on the degree. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? I didn't know that there was an upswing in violence against christian churches in the US. There isn't. As demonstrated by his calling attention to my sterling example, if you're going to post about something, at least post about something that is actually happening, irrespective of whether you agree on the degree. in my local news there as been incidents of hate crimes against churches but no one is tracking that |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 7:04:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you and I both know that there is no stats for that. our government purposely avoids keeping track of that data and it seldom makes the local news and I am certain google filters that out. its just like how NYC no longer gives a description of a suspect in a crime that might include his skin color as then that is prejudicial. in my local news there as been incidents of hate crimes against churches but no one is tracking that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? I didn't know that there was an upswing in violence against christian churches in the US. There isn't. As demonstrated by his calling attention to my sterling example, if you're going to post about something, at least post about something that is actually happening, irrespective of whether you agree on the degree. you and I both know that there is no stats for that. our government purposely avoids keeping track of that data and it seldom makes the local news and I am certain google filters that out. its just like how NYC no longer gives a description of a suspect in a crime that might include his skin color as then that is prejudicial. in my local news there as been incidents of hate crimes against churches but no one is tracking that Allegedly. |
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