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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:19:14 PM EDT
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:21:05 PM EDT
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Enterprising little piggy , aint he .
 He should have all sorts of buddies already in GenPop  |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:21:17 PM EDT
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one. Yep, another in a loooong line of isolated incidents. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:21:19 PM EDT
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Cop & Whores. This is like dog bites man.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:21:54 PM EDT
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one. I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:47:42 PM EDT
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If true, then phuck him. Dirty cops are the worst kind of scum.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:51:53 PM EDT
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That's a lot of ammo and 19000 pounds of brass? How many Dillon 750s does he own?.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:52:38 PM EDT
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Pro 2a, homeopathic, small business owner gets railroaded.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:55:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:56:51 PM EDT
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I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one. I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? Can't be that shocking if many in the dept knew about it. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:58:45 PM EDT
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Can't be that shocking if many in the dept knew about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one. I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? Can't be that shocking if many in the dept knew about it. I should have clarified, many in the SWAT team allegedly knew about it. Not all the regular deputies. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:01:23 PM EDT
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Yeah, this is a bad deal... He had a solid reputation in the industry as well. He duped a lot of people with his apparent double life. Some pretty fucked up allegations...
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:06:35 PM EDT
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I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one. I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? I can't tell if you were joking, or were serious when you asked that question.... -------------------------------------------- Remember, it wasn't his fellow crooked cops that snitched him out, it was his whore wife. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:14:09 PM EDT
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I can't tell if you were joking, or were serious when you asked that question.... -------------------------------------------- Remember, it wasn't his fellow crooked cops that snitched him out, it was his whore wife. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one. I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? I can't tell if you were joking, or were serious when you asked that question.... -------------------------------------------- Remember, it wasn't his fellow crooked cops that snitched him out, it was his whore wife. The SWAT team may have turned, but I can tell you that there are many, many, many guys in the sheriff''s dept. that would have ratted him out if they knew. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:16:01 PM EDT
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He was a fixture in USPSA matches here in the NW for a while. I've seen him at some of the larger matches, talked to him and some of the guys he ran with, never squadded with him though.
If I recall, he said he was the Entry guy on his team. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:20:36 PM EDT
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He reportedly gave some of the ammunition to a longtime friend who was providing him with drugs In addition, detectives turned up a number of illegal drugs, including steroids, at Holiwell's home, according to the charging documents.
Uh-oh According to the charging documents, Holiwell was tipped off to the investigation and sent out the following text message prior to his arrest:
"The storm is coming, but I got something for their asses. Hang on, it's about to get real." Looks like he was telling the truth in an interview. Holiwell sums it up by saying,“Bad guys, we’re a gang too. A well -equipped gang and a well -trained gang as soon as they unleash us, go hide; guaranteed. We’re coming to get you.”
Read more: http://catchwmw.com/2013/04/12/tac-30-training-exclusive-look-at-king-countys-elite-swat-team/#ixzz359sFOTXb 
Any word on his screen name? |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:25:43 PM EDT
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It looks to me that King County Sheriff's dept has a problem. Seems to be lots of unsupervised deputies messing with the hookers.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:27:18 PM EDT
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I wonder if he knew he was going to be such a wonderful person after filling out 30 pages of personal history?
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:32:29 PM EDT
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Need more details on the hooker wife thing. That sounds more interesting than stealing ammo or drugs.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:38:34 PM EDT
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Uh-oh Looks like he was telling the truth in an interview.
Any word on his screen name? Quote HistoryQuoted:
He reportedly gave some of the ammunition to a longtime friend who was providing him with drugs In addition, detectives turned up a number of illegal drugs, including steroids, at Holiwell's home, according to the charging documents.
Uh-oh According to the charging documents, Holiwell was tipped off to the investigation and sent out the following text message prior to his arrest:
"The storm is coming, but I got something for their asses. Hang on, it's about to get real." Looks like he was telling the truth in an interview. Holiwell sums it up by saying,“Bad guys, we’re a gang too. A well -equipped gang and a well -trained gang as soon as they unleash us, go hide; guaranteed. We’re coming to get you.”
Read more: http://catchwmw.com/2013/04/12/tac-30-training-exclusive-look-at-king-countys-elite-swat-team/#ixzz359sFOTXb
Any word on his screen name? I'm really not finding this funny and I hope he is charged to the fullest extent of the law. If it's true, what a fucking shit bag. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:39:04 PM EDT
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Based in the video, it appears he drives the fuck out of his weapon system.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:42:32 PM EDT
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Based in the video, it appears he drives the fuck out of his weapon system. Edit. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:56:59 PM EDT
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Did they shoot his dog? More diversity will solve that department
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:09:07 PM EDT
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Did they shoot his dog? More diversity will solve that department Diversity solves everything. Global warming, police brutality, warm pickle relish....everything. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:19:26 PM EDT
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Shot with this guy at an indoor match. He's rrrrrrrreally good. Seemed like a nice guy, too. If found guilty, fuckem though.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:24:55 PM EDT
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I've met and talked with him more than a few times, and know a lot of people that are personal friends of his, as well as more that are acquaintances, and so on...
Everyone is pretty shocked, since he's a friendly, outgoing guy. Hope he's just getting railroaded, and it's not true. (both shitty choices either way) |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:25:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based in the video, it appears he drives the fuck out of his weapon system. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:27:15 PM EDT
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I've shot USPSA matches with him, always seemed like a squared away dude. But that dated to 2010, not any contact lately. Just goes to show you never really know people.
Read the whole charging document. Funny how the guys he worked closely with at the range "had no idea this was happening" on the ammo thing. Uh huh, I believe you...... 
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:28:05 PM EDT
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I hate cocksuckers like that, steroid infested piece of shit. Hope his anus bleeds profusely in prison when he is found guilty.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:29:30 PM EDT
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This is starting to feel like a FNRL.
 Glad to see posts from yall.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:36:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:41:34 PM EDT
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Oh wow, I've seen a lot of that guy on various facebook of firearms trainers talking him up. Kinda funny in various levels that his website page claims
A new approach to firearms training is coming 
http://www.praetordefense.com What a shit bag if true. Also kind of ironic, from his facebook
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:01:12 AM EDT
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"When seconds count, we work in tenths.” From his website.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:14:58 AM EDT
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"When seconds count, we work in tenths.” From his website. That might explain his wife's sex addiction. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:19:48 AM EDT
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I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one. I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? Here is a non leo story,about 40 guys are going to probably go to jail locally for scamming Coal Companies. They were participating in a scam where people would send bills to several companies for work and equipment that was never done and then a co-conspirator at the company would push the payment through and get a kick back. The number of participants at one company was so large there was a concern that the company would have to shut down until all the fired manager, supervisors, and workers would be replaced., thus screwing all the workers and sub-contractors who were not involved in the thefts out of their jobs. How all those clowns thought they were going to get away with that once if there was an audit or even the simplest accounting review I will never know. Someone asking a few questions and reviewing the records would have caught those guys, and apparently did. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:20:48 AM EDT
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Can't be that shocking if many in the dept knew about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one. I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? Can't be that shocking if many in the dept knew about it. If they knew and did nothing about it they should share a cell with him. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:21:26 AM EDT
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That might explain his wife's sex addiction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"When seconds count, we work in tenths.” From his website. That might explain his wife's sex addiction. Maybe his website should change its banner to "A new approach to firearms training is,.....cuming" |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:30:15 AM EDT
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I've met and talked with him more than a few times, and know a lot of people that are personal friends of his, as well as more that are acquaintances, and so on... Everyone is pretty shocked, since he's a friendly, outgoing guy. Hope he's just getting railroaded, and it's not true. (both shitty choices either way) From the charging document it looks like the prostitution, drugs and theft were real and his partner knew of the thefts. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:32:40 AM EDT
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crazy story!
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:44:09 AM EDT
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Isn't this the dude that Stickman has featured in pictures on his Facebook page?
ETA: Guess so as referenced above. Darrion "Big D" from Praetor Defense. 
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:49:17 AM EDT
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Isn't this the dude that Stickman has featured in pictures on his Facebook page? https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10156101_652227621492979_440313124_n.jpg Yep that's him |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:49:54 AM EDT
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Here is a non leo story,about 40 guys are going to probably go to jail locally for scamming Coal Companies. They were participating in a scam where people would send bills to several companies for work and equipment that was never done and then a co-conspirator at the company would push the payment through and get a kick back. The number of participants at one company was so large there was a concern that the company would have to shut down until all the fired manager, supervisors, and workers would be replaced., thus screwing all the workers and sub-contractors who were not involved in the thefts out of their jobs. How all those clowns thought they were going to get away with that once if there was an audit or even the simplest accounting review I will never know. Someone asking a few questions and reviewing the records would have caught those guys, and apparently did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now this is an isolated incident if I've ever seen one. I have trained with King County guys and they all seemed squared away. This really is a shocking story. Allegedly many in the dept. knew about this. How the fuck do guys think they aren't going to get caught for bullshit like this? Here is a non leo story,about 40 guys are going to probably go to jail locally for scamming Coal Companies. They were participating in a scam where people would send bills to several companies for work and equipment that was never done and then a co-conspirator at the company would push the payment through and get a kick back. The number of participants at one company was so large there was a concern that the company would have to shut down until all the fired manager, supervisors, and workers would be replaced., thus screwing all the workers and sub-contractors who were not involved in the thefts out of their jobs. How all those clowns thought they were going to get away with that once if there was an audit or even the simplest accounting review I will never know. Someone asking a few questions and reviewing the records would have caught those guys, and apparently did. This guy got away with it for at least 7 years and probably longer but that was when they changed their accounting practices for ammo. If his wife never bitched to her friend who turned him in and then the wife never told the investigators about the drug dealing and pimping he would have likely never been caught. I'd like to know what happened to all his guns he made disappear before they served the search warrant that he was tipped off about. Some of his guns have to be easy to link to the stolen ammo since the businesses kept such good receipts. Just checking the receipts and 4473s should show which guns were bought with the stolen ammo making them not only the proceeds of crime but also evidence whoever has them is concealing. I'd bet my left nut some of those guns are in other officer's safes and should be seized. ETA: Putting his drug supplier up in a condo he owned while making his wife and mother of his children whore herself out and pay for her own place was quite the classy move. It really showed where his loyalties lied. 
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:57:35 AM EDT
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Did anyone on the PD look at this guy and think maybe he was on steroids? If the police don't notice their fellow officers are involved in crimes, how can they be trusted to solve any crimes?
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:03:08 AM EDT
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Crazy thing for me is the guy basically has the greatest job in the world (Full time team on entry) and he pissed it away. I kinda wonder what his wife looked like, making 2k a weekend 'escorting'.
As for people condemning the other team members saying they have to have known about the ammo/brass issue it depends. A SWAT team is given a lot of ammo to practice. Especially a full time team. A guy could easily walk off with a few hundred rounds here a few thousand rounds there and it would go unaccounted for. As for the brass I'm assuming they were lax in how that was handled. Some departments sell it. Some throw it away. If they didn't have set procedure of collecting/selling brass and he did it on its own..... All in all pretty freaking shady. Best job ever and he pisses it away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Did anyone on the PD look at this guy and think maybe he was on steroids? If the police don't notice their fellow officers are involved in crimes, how can they be trusted to solve any crimes? Should police be able to profile people on the streets based on race, stereotypes, etc.? Probably not. Its highly effective but is frowned upon. Same goes for steroids. I know at least half a dozen police officer who everyone swears are on roids. Funny thing is they get 'random drug tests' much more frequently then any other officers. I know 2 of them well and its not uncommon for them to have 2-3 workouts per day. I know a guy who'll literally stop by his gym for a 'quick' workout any time he's driving past and isn't in a rush. Everyone claims roids but the guy has literally put 2-3 hours a day in the gym for 10+ years and has an impeccable diet. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:05:28 AM EDT
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I hate cocksuckers like that, steroid infested piece of shit. Hope his anus bleeds profusely in prison when he is found guilty. I could give a fuck less about the steroids. Though, if they suspect his fellow deputies using, they're going to drug test them all and that shit is detectable for a long time. Even the pimping of his wife is meh IMO if it was mutual and they were both cool with it. It's the theft of government property, narcotic drug distribution, and that fucked up text message that are the big ones for me. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:08:00 AM EDT
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Shitfuck cop. Doesn't reflect on the department.
Unless it does... thanks shitfuck cop. My resume is passing you on the way out, since there is a vacancy.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:18:43 AM EDT
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Crazy thing for me is the guy basically has the greatest job in the world (Full time team on entry) and he pissed it away. I kinda wonder what his wife looked like, making 2k a weekend 'escorting'. As for people condemning the other team members saying they have to have known about the ammo/brass issue it depends. A SWAT team is given a lot of ammo to practice. Especially a full time team. A guy could easily walk off with a few hundred rounds here a few thousand rounds there and it would go unaccounted for. As for the brass I'm assuming they were lax in how that was handled. Some departments sell it. Some throw it away. If they didn't have set procedure of collecting/selling brass and he did it on its own..... All in all pretty freaking shady. Best job ever and he pisses it away. Should police be able to profile people on the streets based on race, stereotypes, etc.? Probably not. Its highly effective but is frowned upon. Same goes for steroids. I know at least half a dozen police officer who everyone swears are on roids. Funny thing is they get 'random drug tests' much more frequently then any other officers. I know 2 of them well and its not uncommon for them to have 2-3 workouts per day. I know a guy who'll literally stop by his gym for a 'quick' workout any time he's driving past and isn't in a rush. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Crazy thing for me is the guy basically has the greatest job in the world (Full time team on entry) and he pissed it away. I kinda wonder what his wife looked like, making 2k a weekend 'escorting'. As for people condemning the other team members saying they have to have known about the ammo/brass issue it depends. A SWAT team is given a lot of ammo to practice. Especially a full time team. A guy could easily walk off with a few hundred rounds here a few thousand rounds there and it would go unaccounted for. As for the brass I'm assuming they were lax in how that was handled. Some departments sell it. Some throw it away. If they didn't have set procedure of collecting/selling brass and he did it on its own..... All in all pretty freaking shady. Best job ever and he pisses it away. Quoted:
Did anyone on the PD look at this guy and think maybe he was on steroids? If the police don't notice their fellow officers are involved in crimes, how can they be trusted to solve any crimes? Should police be able to profile people on the streets based on race, stereotypes, etc.? Probably not. Its highly effective but is frowned upon. Same goes for steroids. I know at least half a dozen police officer who everyone swears are on roids. Funny thing is they get 'random drug tests' much more frequently then any other officers. I know 2 of them well and its not uncommon for them to have 2-3 workouts per day. I know a guy who'll literally stop by his gym for a 'quick' workout any time he's driving past and isn't in a rush. 43,550 rounds of ammo in just five months in just 2007 would be noticed by even the biggest idiot. Fuck the guy could have probably skipped arm days at the gym for those 5 months just carrying all that ammo to his truck and into the gun store. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:23:41 AM EDT
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He duped a lot of people with his apparent double life.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:23:45 AM EDT
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Damn those text messages are pretty damming for him knowing she is hooking on the side. Dayum.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:25:04 AM EDT
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43,550 rounds of ammo in five months would be noticed by even the biggest idiot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Crazy thing for me is the guy basically has the greatest job in the world (Full time team on entry) and he pissed it away. I kinda wonder what his wife looked like, making 2k a weekend 'escorting'. As for people condemning the other team members saying they have to have known about the ammo/brass issue it depends. A SWAT team is given a lot of ammo to practice. Especially a full time team. A guy could easily walk off with a few hundred rounds here a few thousand rounds there and it would go unaccounted for. As for the brass I'm assuming they were lax in how that was handled. Some departments sell it. Some throw it away. If they didn't have set procedure of collecting/selling brass and he did it on its own..... All in all pretty freaking shady. Best job ever and he pisses it away. Quoted:
Did anyone on the PD look at this guy and think maybe he was on steroids? If the police don't notice their fellow officers are involved in crimes, how can they be trusted to solve any crimes? Should police be able to profile people on the streets based on race, stereotypes, etc.? Probably not. Its highly effective but is frowned upon. Same goes for steroids. I know at least half a dozen police officer who everyone swears are on roids. Funny thing is they get 'random drug tests' much more frequently then any other officers. I know 2 of them well and its not uncommon for them to have 2-3 workouts per day. I know a guy who'll literally stop by his gym for a 'quick' workout any time he's driving past and isn't in a rush. 43,550 rounds of ammo in five months would be noticed by even the biggest idiot. Maybe. Its a team of 21 guys who get paid to train, shoot, and respond to callouts. Assuming he's the head firearms instructor and is also in charge of ammo it wouldn't be hard to 'cook the books'. You do realize a team of 21 guys can easily go through 10k rounds in a single day (7hr) of training? (1hr lunch break). All he has to do is fudge some paperwork and add an extra range day per month that didn't happen and boom, 40k rounds in 5 months gone and nobody notices. |
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