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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:37:41 PM EDT
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I would consider the Bullet Mustang a more Holy Grail car than a Firebird
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:37:51 PM EDT
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NO FUCKING FAIR
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:38:14 PM EDT
[#3]
Pretty neat.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:38:41 PM EDT
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Pretty awesome, I like the show for the most part too.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:39:03 PM EDT
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#001 and 002. That's a hell of a find!
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:40:14 PM EDT
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How much will he and his team fuck them up before selling them?
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:41:53 PM EDT
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Holy Grail?
Not really. Great find though. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:44:33 PM EDT
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How much will he and his team fuck them up before selling them? Chop the top on both of them. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:45:45 PM EDT
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Interesting those 2 cars were for sale a couple of years ago.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:46:59 PM EDT
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Lol...firebirds...holy grail...
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:48:20 PM EDT
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Cool, I love it when they do restorations on a car
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:49:29 PM EDT
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Holy grail my ass. Those ain't even Trans-Ams.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:52:14 PM EDT
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Of all the retards to get those cars.
That show is is the Sons of Guns of the car shows. It would have been better if Wayne Carini or Peter Klutt or Chip Foose had found those cars. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:53:56 PM EDT
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Lol...firebirds...holy grail... Now if they were Mustangs it would be a real find. 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:00:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now if they were Mustangs it would be a real find. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol...firebirds...holy grail... Now if they were Mustangs it would be a real find. Mustangs? Maybe. GTOs? Hell yes. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:01:03 PM EDT
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I like their show. They get paid to have fun and do cool stuff. We should all be so lucky.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:01:12 PM EDT
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I don't think the fact that they're Firebirds make them the "holy grail", but the first 2 off the production line probably counts for a lot.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:02:07 PM EDT
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Of all the retards to get those cars. That show is is the Sons of Guns of the car shows. It would have been better if Wayne Carini or Peter Klutt or Chip Foose had found those cars. Chip Foose NOT, he does way more harm than good. Wayne would definitely sell them to someone and or do a 100 point concours restoration on them, I give profs for his and the staff he employs kung fu. They say Carini is less than a personable sort of guy in person. Rawlings and his team are very personable and great with the public. I like their show a lot . |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:03:27 PM EDT
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Firebirds were NEVER considered a Muscle Car. Biggest factory motor for a Firebird was a 350. The muscle cars for Pontiac were the GTO and Trans Am.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:03:41 PM EDT
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I'm a Ford guy, and a Chevelle, Charger, or Nova
 is a better archetype for 'holy grail' of muscle cars
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:06:34 PM EDT
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Now if they were Mustangs it would be a real find. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol...firebirds...holy grail... Now if they were Mustangs it would be a real find. Sure. If you're a sixteen year old girl 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:06:52 PM EDT
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Firebirds were NEVER considered a Muscle Car. Biggest factory motor for a Firebird was a 350. The muscle cars for Pontiac were the GTO and Trans Am. No first gens could have up to a 400. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:07:16 PM EDT
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If they found a long lost '64 Pontiac Banshee that would be more notable.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:08:16 PM EDT
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Firebirds were NEVER considered a Muscle Car. Biggest factory motor for a Firebird was a 350. The muscle cars for Pontiac were the GTO and Trans Am. Never heard of a 400? Or then the 455 SD? 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:08:42 PM EDT
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Firebirds were NEVER considered a Muscle Car. Biggest factory motor for a Firebird was a 350. The muscle cars for Pontiac were the GTO and Trans Am. You could get a 400 in the '67-'69. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:09:24 PM EDT
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Firebirds were NEVER considered a Muscle Car. Biggest factory motor for a Firebird was a 350. The muscle cars for Pontiac were the GTO and Trans Am. Forgot about the 400? |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:11:17 PM EDT
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Holy Grail of Firebirds perhaps.... No way is it the grail of muscle cars.
"Fast and loud finds a 'still cold cooler of bud light' of the muscle car world!" |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:12:39 PM EDT
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It being a reality show, what's the chance of the two cars being planted for that super-duper special episode?
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:13:05 PM EDT
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Interesting those 2 cars were for sale a couple of years ago. 1.) Buy car(s) 2.) Buy barn 3.) Place cars in barn, sprinkle dirt on cars 4.) Profit |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:13:20 PM EDT
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nice find, but I consider this the "Holy Grail" of muscle cars
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:13:24 PM EDT
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They say Carini is less than a personable sort of guy in person. I can see that. Might be presumptuous to label him a prick, but he gives off a stand-offish personality vibe on the show. Might be the greatest guy in the world to those in his circle, but I don't get the feeling that he runs around looking to make new friends. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:14:10 PM EDT
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1.) Buy car(s) 2.) Buy barn 3.) Place cars in barn, sprinkle dirt on cars 4.) Profit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting those 2 cars were for sale a couple of years ago. 1.) Buy car(s) 2.) Buy barn 3.) Place cars in barn, sprinkle dirt on cars 4.) Profit exactly but it has to be an "abandoned" barn
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:14:46 PM EDT
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Nice find.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:15:04 PM EDT
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Interesting those 2 cars were for sale a couple of years ago. I read that some guy bought them, they're going to be in museums, and he wants/wanted Gas Monkey to do the restorations. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:15:47 PM EDT
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No first gens could have up to a 400. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Firebirds were NEVER considered a Muscle Car. Biggest factory motor for a Firebird was a 350. The muscle cars for Pontiac were the GTO and Trans Am. No first gens could have up to a 400. If I remember correctly, the 400 was reserved for the '69 Trans Am when it came out to give it something a little more potent over the Firebird to compete with the now more powerful Mustangs, Camaros, Mopars of that time. Of course there was also the optional Ram III and Ram IV system to boost even more power. edit: I have seen 400 Firebirds, which are a Gen1, but they weren't until 1969 when the T/A's had already come to market. I've never seen a '67 400 Firebird---that's what Fast n Loud has found. The 455SD's were only found in the (later) around 72 and 73 Trans Am's and I believe the LeMan Grand Am's that I've ever seen. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:18:53 PM EDT
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I don't think the fact that they're Firebirds make them the "holy grail", but the first 2 off the production line probably counts for a lot. The article I read implied that they weren't even the "production" but the first 2 hand made, then production lines were set up to make the cars. Almost like prototype, but final revision "yep, these are good, start making them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:19:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Numbers 1 & 2 of anything muscle car is a great find.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:20:07 PM EDT
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I'm sorry, but the holy grail of muscle cars would be the 1 remaining Boss 429 1970 Cougar Eliminater. Only 2 ever made and 1 went to the crusher in the 70's and nobody knows where the other 1 is.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:22:35 PM EDT
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I really like their show.
What I don't like about the show, and most other 'reality' build shows is the fake timeline. Instead of saying "we have this XYZ car and we're going to build it into a cool custom retrorod", we end up with "we have six days to ram this shit together to sell it at auction to some sucker that's going to pay us a bunch more to fix everything right afterwards". |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:23:37 PM EDT
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It being a reality show, what's the chance of the two cars being planted for that super-duper special episode? Google it, the owner of these two cars were posing on Pontiac forums a few years ago that he had them and were in the process of getting documentation. They weren't exactly lost to begin with. http://forums.highperformancepontiac.com/70/8925236/the-general-discussion/value-of-first-firebird-ever-made-help/ |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:24:27 PM EDT
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You could get a 400 in the '67-'69. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Firebirds were NEVER considered a Muscle Car. Biggest factory motor for a Firebird was a 350. The muscle cars for Pontiac were the GTO and Trans Am. You could get a 400 in the '67-'69. Yep. My mom had the 67 conv. 400, 4spd with the tach out on the hood. Still not classified as a muscle car. They're considered pony cars. Same as mustang, camaro etc. I think it's a dumb distinction, but there it is. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:25:04 PM EDT
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nice find, but I consider this the "Holy Grail" of muscle cars https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFDP_XOeqNGdWwfVb6Afjsu5ehV-u7SAT2hhycletzJ7u-RZ1B You could consider it that , and you would be wrong. I really cant say I label the first and second Firebirds the grail of muscle cars since they are not muscle cars, but there are a ton of people who will want to own the first Pontiac pony cars made. Personally I consider the the first GTO to be one of the grail cars, same thing for the BOSS 429 it is the holy grail of pony cars. Period end of story and it does not really matter which BOSS 429 considering the number produced. It is the rarest of the rare cars from that era in Detroit. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:26:29 PM EDT
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If I remember correctly, the 400 was reserved for the '69 Trans Am when it came out to give it something a little more potent over the Firebird to compete with the now more powerful Mustangs, Camaros, Mopars of that time. Of course there was also the optional Ram III and Ram IV system to boost even more power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Firebirds were NEVER considered a Muscle Car. Biggest factory motor for a Firebird was a 350. The muscle cars for Pontiac were the GTO and Trans Am. No first gens could have up to a 400. If I remember correctly, the 400 was reserved for the '69 Trans Am when it came out to give it something a little more potent over the Firebird to compete with the now more powerful Mustangs, Camaros, Mopars of that time. Of course there was also the optional Ram III and Ram IV system to boost even more power. The 400 model was available from 67 and on with the same 400 that the GTO got. Edit heres a 67 :http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2009/07/01/hmn_tips1.html |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy grail my ass. Those ain't even Trans-Ams.  yes... that would a cool find
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:27:55 PM EDT
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Nice, but a couple of GT500s would tickle me more. This from a former '67 Firebird owner.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:29:16 PM EDT
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Chip Foose NOT, he does way more harm than good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of all the retards to get those cars. That show is is the Sons of Guns of the car shows. It would have been better if Wayne Carini or Peter Klutt or Chip Foose had found those cars. Chip Foose NOT, he does way more harm than good.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:30:37 PM EDT
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You could consider it that , and you would be wrong. I really cant say I label the first and second Firebirds the grail of muscle cars since they are not muscle cars, but there are a ton of people who will want to own the first Pontiac pony cars made. Personally I consider the the first GTO to be one of the grail cars, same thing for the BOSS 429 it is the holy grail of pony cars. Period end of story and it does not really matter which BOSS 429 considering the number produced. It is the rarest of the rare cars from that era in Detroit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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nice find, but I consider this the "Holy Grail" of muscle cars https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFDP_XOeqNGdWwfVb6Afjsu5ehV-u7SAT2hhycletzJ7u-RZ1B You could consider it that , and you would be wrong. I really cant say I label the first and second Firebirds the grail of muscle cars since they are not muscle cars, but there are a ton of people who will want to own the first Pontiac pony cars made. Personally I consider the the first GTO to be one of the grail cars, same thing for the BOSS 429 it is the holy grail of pony cars. Period end of story and it does not really matter which BOSS 429 considering the number produced. It is the rarest of the rare cars from that era in Detroit. go get hit by a train muscle cars are about muscle, and no car had more muscle than the BO29 cuda's......King of the mountain,so I say it's the holy grail
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:30:42 PM EDT
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Firebirds were NEVER considered a Muscle Car. Biggest factory motor for a Firebird was a 350. The muscle cars for Pontiac were the GTO and Trans Am. Formula/Firehawk/WS6 was the way to go with the "firebird" family. All the engine but none of the shitty body work of the Trans am. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:33:27 PM EDT
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I can see that. Might be presumptuous to label him a prick, but he gives off a stand-offish personality vibe on the show. Might be the greatest guy in the world to those in his circle, but I don't get the feeling that he runs around looking to make new friends. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They say Carini is less than a personable sort of guy in person. I can see that. Might be presumptuous to label him a prick, but he gives off a stand-offish personality vibe on the show. Might be the greatest guy in the world to those in his circle, but I don't get the feeling that he runs around looking to make new friends. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Seems like he is all business. With the proliferation of idiots in the car game, I probably wouldn't be mister super friendly either. Then again, with the exception of his giant wheel fetish, Foose is widely thought of as "the man" in classic car circles. I have spoken to a few people that know Chip and they say he is the real deal. Very personable, outgoing and the combination of celebrity and being a car guy are things he has not lost his enthusiasm for. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:33:51 PM EDT
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Holy grail hardly, Hemi Cuda, GTO Judge, LS5 SS Chevelle, any of the Yenko's these are Holy grail cars.
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