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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:12:49 PM EDT
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Pro freedom??? You don't get it.....Reid is not pro gun, he panders just enough to stay elected. He is evil and a threat to us all. Don't be naive, it's thinking like this that keeps really bad politicians in office forever 
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The dude is annoying as heck and I think he does more harm than good just to stir the pot or sell a water filter but he does promote the 2A and freedom. Like so many have said; a blind hog will find an acorn every now and then, but the more attention this situation gets the better. Pro freedom??? You don't get it.....Reid is not pro gun, he panders just enough to stay elected. He is evil and a threat to us all. Don't be naive, it's thinking like this that keeps really bad politicians in office forever
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:14:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being able to question representatives is the whole point of our system. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Harry Reid just came out and said, what happened at the Bundy Ranch - was domestic terrorism. Aaaaand aaaawaaaay we goooo! http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/reid-calls-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists I was lamenting this in another thread yesterday. Thanks to its heritage, English is a rich and diverse language with so many words to express our ideas. Its vocabulary is one of, if not the, largest. There is no reason that the definition for "ethnic cleansing" should be so broad as to include the Holocaust and a stupid Washington school trying to increase the percentage of minorities on campus. It's ridiculous. Likewise, calling this terrorism cheapens the word. What do we call 9/11 now? Super-terrorism?  Who are you to question the epistomological wizardry of a valid representative of democracy? Being able to question representatives is the whole point of our system. That says everything I need to know. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:15:32 PM EDT
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Make chart or someshit.  I've seen your work in the MH370 thread.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted by Bundy Ranch. Their neighbor gives some good history on the subject, as well as pointing out that they actually did win in court before the BLM changed the rules... If someone can make it hot, I cant: Bundy Neighbor Interview That narrows it down to about 3,000 different decisions. Can you narrow it down to the approximate year or petitioner? Make chart or someshit. I've seen your work in the MH370 thread.It's a comparable search area. Have you been to their site? There's a "Search" feature, but wouldn't you know - it doesn't work. Slow work searching for petitioners named Bundy or Gardner. I found about 15 different IBLA decisions on the desert tortoise through a google search, but none of those decisions seemed germane to what Mr. Gardner was talking about. In the meantime, if you would like a graph, I can create a graph showing my respect for the desert tortoise as a function of time. If this latest revelation is true about the desert tortoise eating cow poop, I just lost a lot of respect for this animal, and the y-axis is going to need to be fucking logarithmic. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:17:12 PM EDT
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Isn't he a nambla member?
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:23:23 PM EDT
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Isn't he a nambla member? North American Marlon Brando Look Alike? |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:23:23 PM EDT
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He's a legislative terrorist.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Harry Reid just came out and said, what happened at the Bundy Ranch - was domestic terrorism. Aaaaand aaaawaaaay we goooo! http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/reid-calls-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists He's a legislative terrorist. +87 |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At times I have been caught up in the finite details of this incident. While the details are important, it seems we are losing sight of the forest through the trees. Bundy himself has said this isn’t about his cows. There are valid points on both sides, but we owe Mr. Bundy and his family credit for drawing a lot of attention to the much larger issues we face. For me, the recent incident at the Bundy Ranch is not about cattle. It is not about turtles. It isn’t about grazing fees or land access. It IS about preserving this Constitutional Republic that so many of us love. It IS about too much Federal Government. It IS about state’s rights. "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State.” James Madison It IS about the growing burden on taxpayers. It IS about no federal budget in 6 years. It IS about insane, out of control spending. It IS about $17.5 Trillion in debt It IS about $128 Trillion in unfunded liabilities It IS about the interest payment on our debt to China in 2014 will fully fund their entire military. "There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” John Adams It IS about a representative government that reflects the will of the people. It IS about the Oath of Office taken by those that are chosen by the people to represent them: I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God. It IS about 1500 page laws being passed in Congress without lawmakers reading what they are voting for. "It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow.” James Madison It IS about not providing adequate security to those deployed in harm's way and then pathologically lying about it. It IS about not putting the health and well being of those who fought for this nation at the top of our national priorities. "The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive veterans of early wars were treated and appreciated by our nation.” George Washington It IS about tyranny. It IS about countless laws against the 2nd Amendment. It IS about the federal government targeting opposing political views with the IRS. It IS about domestic spying. It IS about securing our borders. It IS about federal agencies and high ranking federal employees habitually lying to Congress and to the American People It IS about the Attorney General being held in Contempt of Congress It IS about the Senate Majority leader changing the rules of the Senate It IS about First Amendment "Areas” It IS about lobbyist and special interest money going to those in office. "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” James Madison It IS about 73 Armed Federal Agencies: U.S. Customs and Border Protection • Federal Bureau of Prisons • Federal Bureau of Investigation • U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement • U.S. Secret Service • Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts • Drug Enforcement Administration • U.S. Marshals Service • Veterans Health Administration • Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation • Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives • U.S. Postal Inspection Service • U.S. Capitol Police • National Park Service - Rangers • Bureau of Diplomatic Security • Pentagon Force Protection Agency • U.S. Forest Service • U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service • National Park Service - U.S. Park Police • National Nuclear Security Administration • U.S. Mint Police • Amtrak Police • Bureau of Indian Affairs • Bureau of Land Management • Bureau of Engraving and Printing • Environmental Protection Agency • Food and Drug Administration • National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration •Tennessee Valley Authority • Federal Reserve Board • U.S. Supreme Court • Bureau of Industry and Security • National Institutes of Health • Library of Congress • Federal Emergency Management Agency • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Government Printing Office • National Institute of Standards & Technology • Smithsonian National Zoological Park • Bureau of Reclamation • Department of Health and Human Services • Department of Defense • Department of the Treasury, Tax Administration • Social Security Administration • Department of Housing and Urban Development • Department of Labor • Department of Homeland Security • Department of Veterans Affairs • Department of Justice • Department of Transportation • Department of Education • General Services Administration • Department of the Interior • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Department of Energy • Environmental Protection Agency • Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation • Small Business Administration • Department of State • Office of Personnel Management • Department of the Treasury • Tennessee Valley Authority • Department of Commerce • U.S. Railroad Retirement Board • Agency for International Development • Nuclear Regulatory Commission • Corporation for National and Community Service • National Science Foundation • National Archives and Records Administration • Government Printing Office • Library of Congress "The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.” James Madison It IS about spending. It IS about Taxpayer Funded Entitlement Programs (2012 Ranked from Highest to Lowest $): Medicaid Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Earned Income Tax Credit Supplemental Security Income Federal Pell Grants Temporary Assistance for Needy Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers Very Low to Moderate Income Housing Loans Title 1 Grants to Local Education Children’s Health Insurance National School Lunch Program Adjustable Rate Mortgages Maternal, Infant, and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children Head Start Child Care and Development Block Low Income Home Energy Foster Care Public and Indian Housing State Administrative Matching Grants Child Care and Development School Breakfast Program Adoption Assistance Public Housing Capital Fund Social Services Block Grant Home Investment Partnership Universal Service Fund Impact Aid Supportive Housing Program Academic Competitive Grants Federal Work Study Program Rural Rental Assistance Payments Work Investment Act (WIA) Supplemental Education Opportunity Indian Housing Block Grants Community Services Block Grant Special Programs for the Aging Adult Education Grants to States Supportive Housing for the Elderly Maternal and Child Health Services Race to the Top Early Learning Shelter Plus Care Legal Services Corporation Migrant Education State Grant Promoting Safe and Stable Families Summer Food Service Program Special Programs for the Aging TRIO Upward Bound Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate TRIO Student Support Services Stephanie Tubbs Jones Child Welfare Weatherization Assistance for Low Income Emergency Food Assistance Program Emergency Food and Shelter Federal Aid to State Administrative Expenses for Child Nutrition Lower Income Housing Assistance Rehabilitation Commodity Supplemental Food Community Development Block College Access Challenge Grant Investing in Innovation Fund TRIO Talent Search Youthbuild100 Demolition and Revitalization of Severely Distressed Public Housing WIC Grants to States Healthy Start Initiative Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations U.S. Refugee Admissions Program Appalachian Area Development Education for Homeless Children and Youth Indian Social Services Welfare Projects for Assistance in the Transition from Homelessness Farm Labor Housing Loans Indian Community Development Indian and Native American Training Very Low Income Housing Repair Prevention and Intervention Programs for Children and Youths Who Are Neglected, Delinquent, or at Risk Section 4 Capacity Building for Community Development and Affordable Housing High School Graduation Initiative TRIO Educational Opportunity WIA Pilots, Demonstrations and Research Projects TRIO McNair Post-Baccalaureate Indian Health Services (Urban ) Adoption Incentive Payments Transitional Living for Homeless Youth Rural Self Help Housing Technical Assistance Graduate Assistance in Areas of National Need Section 538 Rural Rental Housing Guaranteed Housing Self-Help Ownership Opportunity Assets for Independence Demonstration Program Services to Indian Children, Elderly and Families Special Programs for the Aging Health Promotion Services Senior Farmers Market Nutrition Migrant Education- High School Equivalency WIC Farmers Market Nutrition Outreach and Assistance for Socially Disadvantaged Farmers and Ranchers Rural Rental Housing Loans Migrant Education, College Assistance Child Care Access Means Parents in School Rural Development Multi-Family Housing Revitalization Development Rent Supplements: Rental Housing for Lower Income Families Indian Child Welfare Act Title II Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Outreach Special Milk Program for Children Rural Housing Site Loans and Self-Help Housing Land Development Low Income Taxpayer Clinics Rural Housing Preservation Grants Drug Free Communities Support Cuban and Haitian Entrant Program Community Development Block Grants Emergency Capital Repair Grants for Multifamily Housing Projects for Multifamily Housing Projects Community Food Projects Community Outreach and Assistance Partnership Training TRIO Staff Training Program Migrant Education-Coordination Consolidated Health Centers Title V Delinquency Prevention Job Opportunities for Low Income Healthy Urban Food Enterprise Development Center "When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” Benjamin Franklin From an article by Jonathan Turley, Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University and has testified before Congress on the dangerous expansion of presidential powers. In the summer of 1787, a crowd gathered around Independence Hall to learn what type of government their representatives had formed for the new nation. When Benjamin Franklin walked out of the Constitutional Convention, Mrs. Powel could wait no longer. Franklin was one of the best known of the "Framers” working on the new US Constitution. Powel ran up to Franklin and asked, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” Franklin turned to her and said what are perhaps the most chilling words uttered by any Framer. He said, "A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.” Franklin’s words were more than a boast. They were a warning. The curious thing about a democratic system is that it contains the seeds of its own demise. Freedom is not something guaranteed by any parchment or promise. It is earned by each generation which must jealously protect it from threats, not only from outside, but from within a nation. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:28:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And BLM was involved in any of those? Again, you guys are merging all governmental entities into one group. That's as dishonest as lumping all anti-abortion activists into the "murderous killer" camp because of Rudolph. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Assumption. Does BLM have a history of Waco/RR style incidents? Because if so, they're really really good at keeping them quiet. No one had a history of Waco style incidents til Waco happened. Did not stop it from happening. Other than Ruby Ridge a few months before and the dozens of people killed in ATF raids on the wrong house. OH, lets not forget the bonus army in 1937 when MacArthur raided the camp of 10,000 and burned it to the ground, I do believe they were on public land. If you don't know the story...check it out. And BLM was involved in any of those? Again, you guys are merging all governmental entities into one group. That's as dishonest as lumping all anti-abortion activists into the "murderous killer" camp because of Rudolph. Because govt. entities never ever work together. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:35:47 PM EDT
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Harry Reid just came out and said, what happened at the Bundy Ranch - was domestic terrorism. Aaaaand aaaawaaaay we goooo! http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/reid-calls-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists Being labeled as a domestic terrorist by Harry Reid is a sign that one is on the correct side of this fight. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:38:16 PM EDT
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Things I have learned in this thread:
1. The National Science Foundation has armed agents with arrest authority - and I want be one of them when I grow up. 2. For $32, I can purchase the right to graze my goat on a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier - what color vest should he wear? 3. I really hate the search feature on the Department of the Interior website |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:38:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That bill also including reducing his # of cows effectively putting him out of business. No idea why people keep missing that part. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just find it odd that the feds can waste a million bucks chasing cattle in the desert that are Illegal and not try to arrest 1 illegal person crossing the border. Can someone think of 1 good thing the gov has done in the past 5 years, I sure cant and this doesn't help build trust with the avg American and its only going to get worse as time goes on. Bundy's getting the bill for the 1 million, IIRC, so the Feds aren't wasting anything. Because sending him a bill has worked so well in the past That bill also including reducing his # of cows effectively putting him out of business. No idea why people keep missing that part. There you go with them facts and all. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:40:03 PM EDT
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At times I have been caught up in the finite details of this incident. While the details are important, it seems we are losing sight of the forest through the trees. Bundy himself has said this isn’t about his cows. There are valid points on both sides, but we owe Mr. Bundy and his family credit for drawing a lot of attention to the much larger issues we face. For me, the recent incident at the Bundy Ranch is not about cattle. It is not about turtles. It isn’t about grazing fees or land access. It IS about preserving this Constitutional Republic that so many of us love. It IS about too much Federal Government. It IS about state’s rights. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State.” James Madison It IS about the growing burden on taxpayers. It IS about no federal budget in 6 years. It IS about insane, out of control spending. It IS about $17.5 Trillion in debt It IS about $128 Trillion in unfunded liabilities It IS about the interest payment on our debt to China in 2014 will fully fund their entire military. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']“There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” John Adams It IS about a representative government that reflects the will of the people. It IS about the Oath of Office taken by those that are chosen by the people to represent them: [div style='margin-left: 40px;']I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God. It IS about 1500 page laws being passed in Congress without lawmakers reading what they are voting for. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']“It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow.” James Madison It IS about not providing adequate security to those deployed in harm's way and then pathologically lying about it. It IS about not putting the health and well being of those who fought for this nation at the top of our national priorities. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']“The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive veterans of early wars were treated and appreciated by our nation.” George Washington It IS about tyranny. It IS about countless laws against the 2nd Amendment. It IS about the federal government targeting opposing political views with the IRS. It IS about domestic spying. It IS about securing our borders. It IS about federal agencies and high ranking federal employees habitually lying to Congress and to the American People It IS about the Attorney General being held in Contempt of Congress It IS about the Senate Majority leader changing the rules of the Senate It IS about First Amendment “Areas” It IS about lobbyist and special interest money going to those in office. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']“The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” James Madison It IS about 73 Armed Federal Agencies: U.S. Customs and Border Protection • Federal Bureau of Prisons • Federal Bureau of Investigation • U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement • U.S. Secret Service • Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts • Drug Enforcement Administration • U.S. Marshals Service • Veterans Health Administration • Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation • Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives • U.S. Postal Inspection Service • U.S. Capitol Police • National Park Service - Rangers • Bureau of Diplomatic Security • Pentagon Force Protection Agency • U.S. Forest Service • U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service • National Park Service - U.S. Park Police • National Nuclear Security Administration • U.S. Mint Police • Amtrak Police • Bureau of Indian Affairs • Bureau of Land Management • Bureau of Engraving and Printing • Environmental Protection Agency • Food and Drug Administration • National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration •Tennessee Valley Authority • Federal Reserve Board • U.S. Supreme Court • Bureau of Industry and Security • National Institutes of Health • Library of Congress • Federal Emergency Management Agency • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Government Printing Office • National Institute of Standards & Technology • Smithsonian National Zoological Park • Bureau of Reclamation • Department of Health and Human Services • Department of Defense • Department of the Treasury, Tax Administration • Social Security Administration • Department of Housing and Urban Development • Department of Labor • Department of Homeland Security • Department of Veterans Affairs • Department of Justice • Department of Transportation • Department of Education • General Services Administration • Department of the Interior • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Department of Energy • Environmental Protection Agency • Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation • Small Business Administration • Department of State • Office of Personnel Management • Department of the Treasury • Tennessee Valley Authority • Department of Commerce • U.S. Railroad Retirement Board • Agency for International Development • Nuclear Regulatory Commission • Corporation for National and Community Service • National Science Foundation • National Archives and Records Administration • Government Printing Office • Library of Congress [div style='margin-left: 40px;']“The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.” James Madison It IS about spending. It IS about Taxpayer Funded Entitlement Programs (2012 Ranked from Highest to Lowest $): Medicaid Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Earned Income Tax Credit Supplemental Security Income Federal Pell Grants Temporary Assistance for Needy Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers Very Low to Moderate Income Housing Loans Title 1 Grants to Local Education Children’s Health Insurance National School Lunch Program Adjustable Rate Mortgages Maternal, Infant, and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children Head Start Child Care and Development Block Low Income Home Energy Foster Care Public and Indian Housing State Administrative Matching Grants Child Care and Development School Breakfast Program Adoption Assistance Public Housing Capital Fund Social Services Block Grant Home Investment Partnership Universal Service Fund Impact Aid Supportive Housing Program Academic Competitive Grants Federal Work Study Program Rural Rental Assistance Payments Work Investment Act (WIA) Supplemental Education Opportunity Indian Housing Block Grants Community Services Block Grant Special Programs for the Aging Adult Education Grants to States Supportive Housing for the Elderly Maternal and Child Health Services Race to the Top Early Learning Shelter Plus Care Legal Services Corporation Migrant Education State Grant Promoting Safe and Stable Families Summer Food Service Program Special Programs for the Aging TRIO Upward Bound Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate TRIO Student Support Services Stephanie Tubbs Jones Child Welfare Weatherization Assistance for Low Income Emergency Food Assistance Program Emergency Food and Shelter Federal Aid to State Administrative Expenses for Child Nutrition Lower Income Housing Assistance Rehabilitation Commodity Supplemental Food Community Development Block College Access Challenge Grant Investing in Innovation Fund TRIO Talent Search Youthbuild100 Demolition and Revitalization of Severely Distressed Public Housing WIC Grants to States Healthy Start Initiative Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations U.S. Refugee Admissions Program Appalachian Area Development Education for Homeless Children and Youth Indian Social Services Welfare Projects for Assistance in the Transition from Homelessness Farm Labor Housing Loans Indian Community Development Indian and Native American Training Very Low Income Housing Repair Prevention and Intervention Programs for Children and Youths Who Are Neglected, Delinquent, or at Risk Section 4 Capacity Building for Community Development and Affordable Housing High School Graduation Initiative TRIO Educational Opportunity WIA Pilots, Demonstrations and Research Projects TRIO McNair Post-Baccalaureate Indian Health Services (Urban ) Adoption Incentive Payments Transitional Living for Homeless Youth Rural Self Help Housing Technical Assistance Graduate Assistance in Areas of National Need Section 538 Rural Rental Housing Guaranteed Housing Self-Help Ownership Opportunity Assets for Independence Demonstration Program Services to Indian Children, Elderly and Families Special Programs for the Aging Health Promotion Services Senior Farmers Market Nutrition Migrant Education- High School Equivalency WIC Farmers Market Nutrition Outreach and Assistance for Socially Disadvantaged Farmers and Ranchers Rural Rental Housing Loans Migrant Education, College Assistance Child Care Access Means Parents in School Rural Development Multi-Family Housing Revitalization Development Rent Supplements: Rental Housing for Lower Income Families Indian Child Welfare Act Title II Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Outreach Special Milk Program for Children Rural Housing Site Loans and Self-Help Housing Land Development Low Income Taxpayer Clinics Rural Housing Preservation Grants Drug Free Communities Support Cuban and Haitian Entrant Program Community Development Block Grants Emergency Capital Repair Grants for Multifamily Housing Projects for Multifamily Housing Projects Community Food Projects Community Outreach and Assistance Partnership Training TRIO Staff Training Program Migrant Education-Coordination Consolidated Health Centers Title V Delinquency Prevention Job Opportunities for Low Income Healthy Urban Food Enterprise Development Center [div style='margin-left: 40px;']“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” Benjamin Franklin From an article by Jonathan Turley, Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University and has testified before Congress on the dangerous expansion of presidential powers. In the summer of 1787, a crowd gathered around Independence Hall to learn what type of government their representatives had formed for the new nation. When Benjamin Franklin walked out of the Constitutional Convention, Mrs. Powel could wait no longer. Franklin was one of the best known of the “Framers” working on the new US Constitution. Powel ran up to Franklin and asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” Franklin turned to her and said what are perhaps the most chilling words uttered by any Framer. He said, “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.” Franklin’s words were more than a boast. They were a warning. The curious thing about a democratic system is that it contains the seeds of its own demise. Freedom is not something guaranteed by any parchment or promise. It is earned by each generation which must jealously protect it from threats, not only from outside, but from within a nation. Quoted this wall of text because ....Hell Yea!! Fistbump.jpeg |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:40:04 PM EDT
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How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important. 1) Healthcare Control healthcare and you control the people 2) Poverty Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. 3) Debt Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. 4) Gun Control Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state. 5) Welfare Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income) 6) Education Take control of what people read and listen to ? take control of what children learn in school. 7) Religion Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools 8) Class Warfare Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:41:48 PM EDT
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How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important. 1) Healthcare Control healthcare and you control the people 2) Poverty Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. 3) Debt Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. 4) Gun Control Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state. 5) Welfare Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income) 6) Education Take control of what people read and listen to ? take control of what children learn in school. 7) Religion Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools 8) Class Warfare Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor. Looks like we're batting .1000
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:44:41 PM EDT
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Things I have learned in this thread: 1. The National Science Foundation has armed agents with arrest authority - and I want be one of them when I grow up. 2. For $32, I can purchase the right to graze my goat on a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier - what color vest should he wear? 3. I really hate the search feature on the Department of the Interior website Yeah??? I found out today half the stuff I was looking up and posting, is included in an info war video. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:44:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted this wall of text because ....Hell Yea!! Fistbump. Nope....look above^^^^^ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ..snip.. Franklin’s words were more than a boast. They were a warning. The curious thing about a democratic system is that it contains the seeds of its own demise. Freedom is not something guaranteed by any parchment or promise. It is earned by each generation which must jealously protect it from threats, not only from outside, but from within a nation. Quoted this wall of text because ....Hell Yea!! Fistbump. Nope....look above^^^^^ |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:45:00 PM EDT
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It IS about the growing burden on taxpayers. It IS about no federal budget in 6 years. It IS about insane, out of control spending. It IS about $17.5 Trillion in debt It IS about $128 Trillion in unfunded liabilities It IS about the interest payment on our debt to China in 2014 will fully fund their entire military. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” John Adams It IS about a representative government that reflects the will of the people. It IS about the Oath of Office taken by those that are chosen by the people to represent them: [div style='margin-left: 40px;']I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God. It IS about 1500 page laws being passed in Congress without lawmakers reading what they are voting for. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow.” James Madison It IS about not providing adequate security to those deployed in harm's way and then pathologically lying about it. It IS about not putting the health and well being of those who fought for this nation at the top of our national priorities. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive veterans of early wars were treated and appreciated by our nation.” George Washington It IS about tyranny. It IS about countless laws against the 2nd Amendment. It IS about the federal government targeting opposing political views with the IRS. It IS about domestic spying. It IS about securing our borders. It IS about federal agencies and high ranking federal employees habitually lying to Congress and to the American People It IS about the Attorney General being held in Contempt of Congress It IS about the Senate Majority leader changing the rules of the Senate It IS about First Amendment "Areas” It IS about lobbyist and special interest money going to those in office. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” James Madison It IS about 73 Armed Federal Agencies: U.S. Customs and Border Protection • Federal Bureau of Prisons • Federal Bureau of Investigation • U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement • U.S. Secret Service • Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts • Drug Enforcement Administration • U.S. Marshals Service • Veterans Health Administration • Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation • Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives • U.S. Postal Inspection Service • U.S. Capitol Police • National Park Service - Rangers • Bureau of Diplomatic Security • Pentagon Force Protection Agency • U.S. Forest Service • U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service • National Park Service - U.S. Park Police • National Nuclear Security Administration • U.S. Mint Police • Amtrak Police • Bureau of Indian Affairs • Bureau of Land Management • Bureau of Engraving and Printing • Environmental Protection Agency • Food and Drug Administration • National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration •Tennessee Valley Authority • Federal Reserve Board • U.S. Supreme Court • Bureau of Industry and Security • National Institutes of Health • Library of Congress • Federal Emergency Management Agency • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Government Printing Office • National Institute of Standards & Technology • Smithsonian National Zoological Park • Bureau of Reclamation • Department of Health and Human Services • Department of Defense • Department of the Treasury, Tax Administration • Social Security Administration • Department of Housing and Urban Development • Department of Labor • Department of Homeland Security • Department of Veterans Affairs • Department of Justice • Department of Transportation • Department of Education • General Services Administration • Department of the Interior • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Department of Energy • Environmental Protection Agency • Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation • Small Business Administration • Department of State • Office of Personnel Management • Department of the Treasury • Tennessee Valley Authority • Department of Commerce • U.S. Railroad Retirement Board • Agency for International Development • Nuclear Regulatory Commission • Corporation for National and Community Service • National Science Foundation • National Archives and Records Administration • Government Printing Office • Library of Congress [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.” James Madison It IS about spending. It IS about Taxpayer Funded Entitlement Programs (2012 Ranked from Highest to Lowest $): Medicaid Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Earned Income Tax Credit Supplemental Security Income Federal Pell Grants Temporary Assistance for Needy Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers Very Low to Moderate Income Housing Loans Title 1 Grants to Local Education Children’s Health Insurance National School Lunch Program Adjustable Rate Mortgages Maternal, Infant, and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children Head Start Child Care and Development Block Low Income Home Energy Foster Care Public and Indian Housing State Administrative Matching Grants Child Care and Development School Breakfast Program Adoption Assistance Public Housing Capital Fund Social Services Block Grant Home Investment Partnership Universal Service Fund Impact Aid Supportive Housing Program Academic Competitive Grants Federal Work Study Program Rural Rental Assistance Payments Work Investment Act (WIA) Supplemental Education Opportunity Indian Housing Block Grants Community Services Block Grant Special Programs for the Aging Adult Education Grants to States Supportive Housing for the Elderly Maternal and Child Health Services Race to the Top Early Learning Shelter Plus Care Legal Services Corporation Migrant Education State Grant Promoting Safe and Stable Families Summer Food Service Program Special Programs for the Aging TRIO Upward Bound Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate TRIO Student Support Services Stephanie Tubbs Jones Child Welfare Weatherization Assistance for Low Income Emergency Food Assistance Program Emergency Food and Shelter Federal Aid to State Administrative Expenses for Child Nutrition Lower Income Housing Assistance Rehabilitation Commodity Supplemental Food Community Development Block College Access Challenge Grant Investing in Innovation Fund TRIO Talent Search Youthbuild100 Demolition and Revitalization of Severely Distressed Public Housing WIC Grants to States Healthy Start Initiative Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations U.S. Refugee Admissions Program Appalachian Area Development Education for Homeless Children and Youth Indian Social Services Welfare Projects for Assistance in the Transition from Homelessness Farm Labor Housing Loans Indian Community Development Indian and Native American Training Very Low Income Housing Repair Prevention and Intervention Programs for Children and Youths Who Are Neglected, Delinquent, or at Risk Section 4 Capacity Building for Community Development and Affordable Housing High School Graduation Initiative TRIO Educational Opportunity WIA Pilots, Demonstrations and Research Projects TRIO McNair Post-Baccalaureate Indian Health Services (Urban ) Adoption Incentive Payments Transitional Living for Homeless Youth Rural Self Help Housing Technical Assistance Graduate Assistance in Areas of National Need Section 538 Rural Rental Housing Guaranteed Housing Self-Help Ownership Opportunity Assets for Independence Demonstration Program Services to Indian Children, Elderly and Families Special Programs for the Aging Health Promotion Services Senior Farmers Market Nutrition Migrant Education- High School Equivalency WIC Farmers Market Nutrition Outreach and Assistance for Socially Disadvantaged Farmers and Ranchers Rural Rental Housing Loans Migrant Education, College Assistance Child Care Access Means Parents in School Rural Development Multi-Family Housing Revitalization Development Rent Supplements: Rental Housing for Lower Income Families Indian Child Welfare Act Title II Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Outreach Special Milk Program for Children Rural Housing Site Loans and Self-Help Housing Land Development Low Income Taxpayer Clinics Rural Housing Preservation Grants Drug Free Communities Support Cuban and Haitian Entrant Program Community Development Block Grants Emergency Capital Repair Grants for Multifamily Housing Projects for Multifamily Housing Projects Community Food Projects Community Outreach and Assistance Partnership Training TRIO Staff Training Program Migrant Education-Coordination Consolidated Health Centers Title V Delinquency Prevention Job Opportunities for Low Income Healthy Urban Food Enterprise Development Center [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” Benjamin Franklin From an article by Jonathan Turley, Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University and has testified before Congress on the dangerous expansion of presidential powers. In the summer of 1787, a crowd gathered around Independence Hall to learn what type of government their representatives had formed for the new nation. When Benjamin Franklin walked out of the Constitutional Convention, Mrs. Powel could wait no longer. Franklin was one of the best known of the "Framers” working on the new US Constitution. Powel ran up to Franklin and asked, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” Franklin turned to her and said what are perhaps the most chilling words uttered by any Framer. He said, "A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.” Franklin’s words were more than a boast. They were a warning. The curious thing about a democratic system is that it contains the seeds of its own demise. Freedom is not something guaranteed by any parchment or promise. It is earned by each generation which must jealously protect it from threats, not only from outside, but from within a nation. Damn straight.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At times I have been caught up in the finite details of this incident. While the details are important, it seems we are losing sight of the forest through the trees. Bundy himself has said this isn’t about his cows. There are valid points on both sides, but we owe Mr. Bundy and his family credit for drawing a lot of attention to the much larger issues we face. For me, the recent incident at the Bundy Ranch is not about cattle. It is not about turtles. It isn’t about grazing fees or land access. It IS about preserving this Constitutional Republic that so many of us love. It IS about too much Federal Government. It IS about state’s rights. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State.” James Madison It IS about the growing burden on taxpayers. It IS about no federal budget in 6 years. It IS about insane, out of control spending. It IS about $17.5 Trillion in debt It IS about $128 Trillion in unfunded liabilities It IS about the interest payment on our debt to China in 2014 will fully fund their entire military. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” John Adams It IS about a representative government that reflects the will of the people. It IS about the Oath of Office taken by those that are chosen by the people to represent them: [div style='margin-left: 40px;']I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God. It IS about 1500 page laws being passed in Congress without lawmakers reading what they are voting for. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow.” James Madison It IS about not providing adequate security to those deployed in harm's way and then pathologically lying about it. It IS about not putting the health and well being of those who fought for this nation at the top of our national priorities. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive veterans of early wars were treated and appreciated by our nation.” George Washington It IS about tyranny. It IS about countless laws against the 2nd Amendment. It IS about the federal government targeting opposing political views with the IRS. It IS about domestic spying. It IS about securing our borders. It IS about federal agencies and high ranking federal employees habitually lying to Congress and to the American People It IS about the Attorney General being held in Contempt of Congress It IS about the Senate Majority leader changing the rules of the Senate It IS about First Amendment "Areas” It IS about lobbyist and special interest money going to those in office. [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” James Madison It IS about 73 Armed Federal Agencies: U.S. Customs and Border Protection • Federal Bureau of Prisons • Federal Bureau of Investigation • U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement • U.S. Secret Service • Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts • Drug Enforcement Administration • U.S. Marshals Service • Veterans Health Administration • Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation • Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives • U.S. Postal Inspection Service • U.S. Capitol Police • National Park Service - Rangers • Bureau of Diplomatic Security • Pentagon Force Protection Agency • U.S. Forest Service • U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service • National Park Service - U.S. Park Police • National Nuclear Security Administration • U.S. Mint Police • Amtrak Police • Bureau of Indian Affairs • Bureau of Land Management • Bureau of Engraving and Printing • Environmental Protection Agency • Food and Drug Administration • National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration •Tennessee Valley Authority • Federal Reserve Board • U.S. Supreme Court • Bureau of Industry and Security • National Institutes of Health • Library of Congress • Federal Emergency Management Agency • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Government Printing Office • National Institute of Standards & Technology • Smithsonian National Zoological Park • Bureau of Reclamation • Department of Health and Human Services • Department of Defense • Department of the Treasury, Tax Administration • Social Security Administration • Department of Housing and Urban Development • Department of Labor • Department of Homeland Security • Department of Veterans Affairs • Department of Justice • Department of Transportation • Department of Education • General Services Administration • Department of the Interior • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Department of Energy • Environmental Protection Agency • Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation • Small Business Administration • Department of State • Office of Personnel Management • Department of the Treasury • Tennessee Valley Authority • Department of Commerce • U.S. Railroad Retirement Board • Agency for International Development • Nuclear Regulatory Commission • Corporation for National and Community Service • National Science Foundation • National Archives and Records Administration • Government Printing Office • Library of Congress [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.” James Madison It IS about spending. It IS about Taxpayer Funded Entitlement Programs (2012 Ranked from Highest to Lowest $): Medicaid Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Earned Income Tax Credit Supplemental Security Income Federal Pell Grants Temporary Assistance for Needy Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers Very Low to Moderate Income Housing Loans Title 1 Grants to Local Education Children’s Health Insurance National School Lunch Program Adjustable Rate Mortgages Maternal, Infant, and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children Head Start Child Care and Development Block Low Income Home Energy Foster Care Public and Indian Housing State Administrative Matching Grants Child Care and Development School Breakfast Program Adoption Assistance Public Housing Capital Fund Social Services Block Grant Home Investment Partnership Universal Service Fund Impact Aid Supportive Housing Program Academic Competitive Grants Federal Work Study Program Rural Rental Assistance Payments Work Investment Act (WIA) Supplemental Education Opportunity Indian Housing Block Grants Community Services Block Grant Special Programs for the Aging Adult Education Grants to States Supportive Housing for the Elderly Maternal and Child Health Services Race to the Top Early Learning Shelter Plus Care Legal Services Corporation Migrant Education State Grant Promoting Safe and Stable Families Summer Food Service Program Special Programs for the Aging TRIO Upward Bound Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate TRIO Student Support Services Stephanie Tubbs Jones Child Welfare Weatherization Assistance for Low Income Emergency Food Assistance Program Emergency Food and Shelter Federal Aid to State Administrative Expenses for Child Nutrition Lower Income Housing Assistance Rehabilitation Commodity Supplemental Food Community Development Block College Access Challenge Grant Investing in Innovation Fund TRIO Talent Search Youthbuild100 Demolition and Revitalization of Severely Distressed Public Housing WIC Grants to States Healthy Start Initiative Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations U.S. Refugee Admissions Program Appalachian Area Development Education for Homeless Children and Youth Indian Social Services Welfare Projects for Assistance in the Transition from Homelessness Farm Labor Housing Loans Indian Community Development Indian and Native American Training Very Low Income Housing Repair Prevention and Intervention Programs for Children and Youths Who Are Neglected, Delinquent, or at Risk Section 4 Capacity Building for Community Development and Affordable Housing High School Graduation Initiative TRIO Educational Opportunity WIA Pilots, Demonstrations and Research Projects TRIO McNair Post-Baccalaureate Indian Health Services (Urban ) Adoption Incentive Payments Transitional Living for Homeless Youth Rural Self Help Housing Technical Assistance Graduate Assistance in Areas of National Need Section 538 Rural Rental Housing Guaranteed Housing Self-Help Ownership Opportunity Assets for Independence Demonstration Program Services to Indian Children, Elderly and Families Special Programs for the Aging Health Promotion Services Senior Farmers Market Nutrition Migrant Education- High School Equivalency WIC Farmers Market Nutrition Outreach and Assistance for Socially Disadvantaged Farmers and Ranchers Rural Rental Housing Loans Migrant Education, College Assistance Child Care Access Means Parents in School Rural Development Multi-Family Housing Revitalization Development Rent Supplements: Rental Housing for Lower Income Families Indian Child Welfare Act Title II Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Outreach Special Milk Program for Children Rural Housing Site Loans and Self-Help Housing Land Development Low Income Taxpayer Clinics Rural Housing Preservation Grants Drug Free Communities Support Cuban and Haitian Entrant Program Community Development Block Grants Emergency Capital Repair Grants for Multifamily Housing Projects for Multifamily Housing Projects Community Food Projects Community Outreach and Assistance Partnership Training TRIO Staff Training Program Migrant Education-Coordination Consolidated Health Centers Title V Delinquency Prevention Job Opportunities for Low Income Healthy Urban Food Enterprise Development Center [div style='margin-left: 40px;']"When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” Benjamin Franklin From an article by Jonathan Turley, Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University and has testified before Congress on the dangerous expansion of presidential powers. In the summer of 1787, a crowd gathered around Independence Hall to learn what type of government their representatives had formed for the new nation. When Benjamin Franklin walked out of the Constitutional Convention, Mrs. Powel could wait no longer. Franklin was one of the best known of the "Framers” working on the new US Constitution. Powel ran up to Franklin and asked, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” Franklin turned to her and said what are perhaps the most chilling words uttered by any Framer. He said, "A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.” Franklin’s words were more than a boast. They were a warning. The curious thing about a democratic system is that it contains the seeds of its own demise. Freedom is not something guaranteed by any parchment or promise. It is earned by each generation which must jealously protect it from threats, not only from outside, but from within a nation. Damn straight.... Amen. |
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How much of the history of this situation do you think they know? Next week all units will be going to Middleofnowhere NV. Your job will be security cover for contractors tasked with rounding up cattle that are trespassing on federal land. We have a court order authorizing this. Threats have been made against anyone attempting to serve this lawful order of the court. The operation is expected to last 7 to 10 days. Standard load out gear. Here is your reporting structure. See you next week. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:51:56 PM EDT
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A lot of truth with what Bama said. Some of the protestors talked to 'agents' that were brought in and some (perhaps many) of them didn't know why or, what, until they found out from the protestors. From what the protestors said, those agents they talked to got rather uncomfortable with being there. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:53:08 PM EDT
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Yeah??? I found out today half the stuff I was looking up and posting, is included in an info war video.
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Things I have learned in this thread: 1. The National Science Foundation has armed agents with arrest authority - and I want be one of them when I grow up. 2. For $32, I can purchase the right to graze my goat on a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier - what color vest should he wear? 3. I really hate the search feature on the Department of the Interior website Yeah??? I found out today half the stuff I was looking up and posting, is included in an info war video.
Yeah, well, infowars.com isn't going to tell me what color vest my goat needs to wear on the deck of an operating super carrier. ETA green, Photographer's Mate; a goat can carry photo gear, positive of that, seen photos of goats carrying rifles and stuff on arfcom http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/rainbow.asp |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:54:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:57:48 PM EDT
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Indicted Businessman Names Harry Reid as Alleged Recipient of Massive Bribe Crooked ass mofo Good- hopefully this whole mess amounts to nothing more than Dirty Harry panicking over the end of his career and his heading to jail. I detest what our federal government has be come I don't want the uprising to start in my county Nothing will come of it. The New Iron Triangle So, what is all this “iron triangle” business? Consider the current twist of history, one in which we are all stuck. What if the Senate Majority Leader acts contrary to law and the Attorney General refuses to investigate him, recognizing that this could open a counter-measure, namely impeachment? What if that same Attorney General’s actions warrant impeachment, but the Senate Majority Leader refuses to act – since this could place him in jeopardy of investigation? What if a President -- who hires and fires Attorney Generals – is suspected of abuse, for example: persecuting opponents through the Internal Revenue Service, suppressing material facts on national security (such as Benghazi and information collection), or clamping down unconstitutionally on individual liberties – but the Attorney General allows such abuses to slide, protecting his own job? You have an “iron triangle” of unaccountability.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:01:20 PM EDT
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Franklin’s words were more than a boast. They were a warning. The curious thing about a democratic system is that it contains the seeds of its own demise. Freedom is not something guaranteed by any parchment or promise. It is earned by each generation which must jealously protect it from threats, not only from outside, but from within a nation. Quoted this wall of text because ....Hell Yea!! Fistbump. Nope....look above^^^^^ This hill might dwarf Everest, but I'm not sure it's over yet( at least hope it's not). We will see in our lifetime if the last light of freedom can stay lit or be extinguished forever, I do know life will be miserable for everyone if SHTF. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:02:01 PM EDT
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Yeah, well, infowars.com isn't going to tell me what color vest my goat needs to wear on the deck of an operating super carrier. ETA green, Photographer's Mate; a goat can carry photo gear, positive of that, seen photos of goats carrying rifles and stuff on arfcom http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/rainbow.asp Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Things I have learned in this thread: 1. The National Science Foundation has armed agents with arrest authority - and I want be one of them when I grow up. 2. For $32, I can purchase the right to graze my goat on a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier - what color vest should he wear? 3. I really hate the search feature on the Department of the Interior website Yeah??? I found out today half the stuff I was looking up and posting, is included in an info war video.
Yeah, well, infowars.com isn't going to tell me what color vest my goat needs to wear on the deck of an operating super carrier. ETA green, Photographer's Mate; a goat can carry photo gear, positive of that, seen photos of goats carrying rifles and stuff on arfcom http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/rainbow.asp Jamaicans seem to favor neon green, makes the goats easy to see as they float past the island. 
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Indicted Businessman Names Harry Reid as Alleged Recipient of Massive Bribe Crooked ass mofo Good- hopefully this whole mess amounts to nothing more than Dirty Harry panicking over the end of his career and his heading to jail. I detest what our federal government has be come I don't want the uprising to start in my county Nothing will come of it. The New Iron Triangle So, what is all this “iron triangle” business? Consider the current twist of history, one in which we are all stuck. What if the Senate Majority Leader acts contrary to law and the Attorney General refuses to investigate him, recognizing that this could open a counter-measure, namely impeachment? What if that same Attorney General’s actions warrant impeachment, but the Senate Majority Leader refuses to act – since this could place him in jeopardy of investigation? What if a President -- who hires and fires Attorney Generals – is suspected of abuse, for example: persecuting opponents through the Internal Revenue Service, suppressing material facts on national security (such as Benghazi and information collection), or clamping down unconstitutionally on individual liberties – but the Attorney General allows such abuses to slide, protecting his own job? You have an “iron triangle” of unaccountability. Any Firefighters her to explain this graphic? 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:21:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This hill might dwarf Everest, but I'm not sure it's over yet( at least hope it's not). We will see in our lifetime if the last light of freedom can stay lit or be extinguished forever, I do know life will be miserable for everyone if SHTF. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ..snip.. Franklin’s words were more than a boast. They were a warning. The curious thing about a democratic system is that it contains the seeds of its own demise. Freedom is not something guaranteed by any parchment or promise. It is earned by each generation which must jealously protect it from threats, not only from outside, but from within a nation. Quoted this wall of text because ....Hell Yea!! Fistbump. Nope....look above^^^^^ This hill might dwarf Everest, but I'm not sure it's over yet( at least hope it's not). We will see in our lifetime if the last light of freedom can stay lit or be extinguished forever, I do know life will be miserable for everyone if SHTF. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:37:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:45:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:52:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important. 1) Healthcare (check) Control healthcare and you control the people 2) Poverty (check) Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. 3) Debt (check) Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. 4) Gun Control  Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state. 5) Welfare (check) Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income) 6) Education (check) Take control of what people read and listen to ? take control of what children learn in school. 7) Religion (check) Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools 8) Class Warfare (check) Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:52:44 PM EDT
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Sorry for the late reply this is what I am getting at rather clumsy though.
Not an FF... 3 parts of a fire. Knock one side of the triangle, out the fire dies. What does this have to do with moo-cows? So, what is all this “iron triangle” business? Consider the current twist of history, one in which we are all stuck. What if the Senate Majority Leader acts contrary to law and the Attorney General refuses to investigate him, recognizing that this could open a counter-measure, namely impeachment? What if that same Attorney General’s actions warrant impeachment, but the Senate Majority Leader refuses to act – since this could place him in jeopardy of investigation? What if a President -- who hires and fires Attorney Generals – is suspected of abuse, for example: persecuting opponents through the Internal Revenue Service, suppressing material facts on national security (such as Benghazi and information collection), or clamping down unconstitutionally on individual liberties – but the Attorney General allows such abuses to slide, protecting his own job? You have an “iron triangle” of unaccountability. Picture graphic to go along with this. If one leg can be taken away or somehow eliminated problem solved, It has to be done within the law though. What we have going for us is there is no honor among theives. one of them will break just got to figure out how to do it within the law. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:59:54 PM EDT
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What happened to the imminent SWAT raid?
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:02:33 PM EDT
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You go home today and your neighbor has placed water tanks, pipes, and cattle in your yard. You OK with this? My neighbor lets me pasture a section when I need to and cut for hay. Does not charge me. But I help him when he needs it as well. He does nothing else with the land and he is just glad it gets used and maintained. ETA . My other neighbor has had his cows on my land in the past as well. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:19:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At times I have been caught up in the finite details of this incident. While the details are important, it seems we are losing sight of the forest through the trees. Bundy himself has said this isn’t about his cows. There are valid points on both sides, but we owe Mr. Bundy and his family credit for drawing a lot of attention to the much larger issues we face. For me, the recent incident at the Bundy Ranch is not about cattle. It is not about turtles. It isn’t about grazing fees or land access. It IS about preserving this Constitutional Republic that so many of us love. It IS about too much Federal Government. It IS about state’s rights. "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State.” James Madison It IS about the growing burden on taxpayers. It IS about no federal budget in 6 years. It IS about insane, out of control spending. It IS about $17.5 Trillion in debt It IS about $128 Trillion in unfunded liabilities It IS about the interest payment on our debt to China in 2014 will fully fund their entire military. "There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” John Adams It IS about a representative government that reflects the will of the people. It IS about the Oath of Office taken by those that are chosen by the people to represent them: I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God. It IS about 1500 page laws being passed in Congress without lawmakers reading what they are voting for. "It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow.” James Madison It IS about not providing adequate security to those deployed in harm's way and then pathologically lying about it. It IS about not putting the health and well being of those who fought for this nation at the top of our national priorities. "The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive veterans of early wars were treated and appreciated by our nation.” George Washington It IS about tyranny. It IS about countless laws against the 2nd Amendment. It IS about the federal government targeting opposing political views with the IRS. It IS about domestic spying. It IS about securing our borders. It IS about federal agencies and high ranking federal employees habitually lying to Congress and to the American People It IS about the Attorney General being held in Contempt of Congress It IS about the Senate Majority leader changing the rules of the Senate It IS about First Amendment "Areas” It IS about lobbyist and special interest money going to those in office. "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” James Madison It IS about 73 Armed Federal Agencies: U.S. Customs and Border Protection • Federal Bureau of Prisons • Federal Bureau of Investigation • U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement • U.S. Secret Service • Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts • Drug Enforcement Administration • U.S. Marshals Service • Veterans Health Administration • Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation • Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives • U.S. Postal Inspection Service • U.S. Capitol Police • National Park Service - Rangers • Bureau of Diplomatic Security • Pentagon Force Protection Agency • U.S. Forest Service • U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service • National Park Service - U.S. Park Police • National Nuclear Security Administration • U.S. Mint Police • Amtrak Police • Bureau of Indian Affairs • Bureau of Land Management • Bureau of Engraving and Printing • Environmental Protection Agency • Food and Drug Administration • National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration •Tennessee Valley Authority • Federal Reserve Board • U.S. Supreme Court • Bureau of Industry and Security • National Institutes of Health • Library of Congress • Federal Emergency Management Agency • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Government Printing Office • National Institute of Standards & Technology • Smithsonian National Zoological Park • Bureau of Reclamation • Department of Health and Human Services • Department of Defense • Department of the Treasury, Tax Administration • Social Security Administration • Department of Housing and Urban Development • Department of Labor • Department of Homeland Security • Department of Veterans Affairs • Department of Justice • Department of Transportation • Department of Education • General Services Administration • Department of the Interior • National Aeronautics and Space Administration • Department of Energy • Environmental Protection Agency • Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation • Small Business Administration • Department of State • Office of Personnel Management • Department of the Treasury • Tennessee Valley Authority • Department of Commerce • U.S. Railroad Retirement Board • Agency for International Development • Nuclear Regulatory Commission • Corporation for National and Community Service • National Science Foundation • National Archives and Records Administration • Government Printing Office • Library of Congress "The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.” James Madison It IS about spending. It IS about Taxpayer Funded Entitlement Programs (2012 Ranked from Highest to Lowest $): Medicaid Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Earned Income Tax Credit Supplemental Security Income Federal Pell Grants Temporary Assistance for Needy Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers Very Low to Moderate Income Housing Loans Title 1 Grants to Local Education Children’s Health Insurance National School Lunch Program Adjustable Rate Mortgages Maternal, Infant, and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children Head Start Child Care and Development Block Low Income Home Energy Foster Care Public and Indian Housing State Administrative Matching Grants Child Care and Development School Breakfast Program Adoption Assistance Public Housing Capital Fund Social Services Block Grant Home Investment Partnership Universal Service Fund Impact Aid Supportive Housing Program Academic Competitive Grants Federal Work Study Program Rural Rental Assistance Payments Work Investment Act (WIA) Supplemental Education Opportunity Indian Housing Block Grants Community Services Block Grant Special Programs for the Aging Adult Education Grants to States Supportive Housing for the Elderly Maternal and Child Health Services Race to the Top Early Learning Shelter Plus Care Legal Services Corporation Migrant Education State Grant Promoting Safe and Stable Families Summer Food Service Program Special Programs for the Aging TRIO Upward Bound Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate TRIO Student Support Services Stephanie Tubbs Jones Child Welfare Weatherization Assistance for Low Income Emergency Food Assistance Program Emergency Food and Shelter Federal Aid to State Administrative Expenses for Child Nutrition Lower Income Housing Assistance Rehabilitation Commodity Supplemental Food Community Development Block College Access Challenge Grant Investing in Innovation Fund TRIO Talent Search Youthbuild100 Demolition and Revitalization of Severely Distressed Public Housing WIC Grants to States Healthy Start Initiative Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations U.S. Refugee Admissions Program Appalachian Area Development Education for Homeless Children and Youth Indian Social Services Welfare Projects for Assistance in the Transition from Homelessness Farm Labor Housing Loans Indian Community Development Indian and Native American Training Very Low Income Housing Repair Prevention and Intervention Programs for Children and Youths Who Are Neglected, Delinquent, or at Risk Section 4 Capacity Building for Community Development and Affordable Housing High School Graduation Initiative TRIO Educational Opportunity WIA Pilots, Demonstrations and Research Projects TRIO McNair Post-Baccalaureate Indian Health Services (Urban ) Adoption Incentive Payments Transitional Living for Homeless Youth Rural Self Help Housing Technical Assistance Graduate Assistance in Areas of National Need Section 538 Rural Rental Housing Guaranteed Housing Self-Help Ownership Opportunity Assets for Independence Demonstration Program Services to Indian Children, Elderly and Families Special Programs for the Aging Health Promotion Services Senior Farmers Market Nutrition Migrant Education- High School Equivalency WIC Farmers Market Nutrition Outreach and Assistance for Socially Disadvantaged Farmers and Ranchers Rural Rental Housing Loans Migrant Education, College Assistance Child Care Access Means Parents in School Rural Development Multi-Family Housing Revitalization Development Rent Supplements: Rental Housing for Lower Income Families Indian Child Welfare Act Title II Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Outreach Special Milk Program for Children Rural Housing Site Loans and Self-Help Housing Land Development Low Income Taxpayer Clinics Rural Housing Preservation Grants Drug Free Communities Support Cuban and Haitian Entrant Program Community Development Block Grants Emergency Capital Repair Grants for Multifamily Housing Projects for Multifamily Housing Projects Community Food Projects Community Outreach and Assistance Partnership Training TRIO Staff Training Program Migrant Education-Coordination Consolidated Health Centers Title V Delinquency Prevention Job Opportunities for Low Income Healthy Urban Food Enterprise Development Center "When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” Benjamin Franklin From an article by Jonathan Turley, Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University and has testified before Congress on the dangerous expansion of presidential powers. In the summer of 1787, a crowd gathered around Independence Hall to learn what type of government their representatives had formed for the new nation. When Benjamin Franklin walked out of the Constitutional Convention, Mrs. Powel could wait no longer. Franklin was one of the best known of the "Framers” working on the new US Constitution. Powel ran up to Franklin and asked, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” Franklin turned to her and said what are perhaps the most chilling words uttered by any Framer. He said, "A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.” Franklin’s words were more than a boast. They were a warning. The curious thing about a democratic system is that it contains the seeds of its own demise. Freedom is not something guaranteed by any parchment or promise. It is earned by each generation which must jealously protect it from threats, not only from outside, but from within a nation. Quite the treatise. Spot on. Join date noted. Well done. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:23:10 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just gonna leave this right here. https://www.facebook.com/HarryReid 30 seconds of that was enough.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any Firefighters her to explain this graphic? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Fire_triangle.svg/220px-Fire_triangle.svg.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good- hopefully this whole mess amounts to nothing more than Dirty Harry panicking over the end of his career and his heading to jail. I detest what our federal government has be come I don't want the uprising to start in my county Nothing will come of it. The New Iron Triangle So, what is all this "iron triangle” business? Consider the current twist of history, one in which we are all stuck. What if the Senate Majority Leader acts contrary to law and the Attorney General refuses to investigate him, recognizing that this could open a counter-measure, namely impeachment? What if that same Attorney General’s actions warrant impeachment, but the Senate Majority Leader refuses to act – since this could place him in jeopardy of investigation? What if a President -- who hires and fires Attorney Generals – is suspected of abuse, for example: persecuting opponents through the Internal Revenue Service, suppressing material facts on national security (such as Benghazi and information collection), or clamping down unconstitutionally on individual liberties – but the Attorney General allows such abuses to slide, protecting his own job? You have an "iron triangle” of unaccountability. Any Firefighters her to explain this graphic? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Fire_triangle.svg/220px-Fire_triangle.svg.png |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:32:46 PM EDT
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You go home today and your neighbor has placed water tanks, pipes, and cattle in your yard. You OK with this? More like you go home today and find a notice in your mail that to use the interstate that you take to work, you must pay an outrageous fee and it has been restricted to bicycles only due to environmental concerns. You fight it in court and lose. You keep going to work in your car everyday and say "Fuck those fines and fuck that over reaching government". Then one day the government shows up with guns to take everything you have to pay your fines. Everyone calls you a freeloader, because they naively believe that government is there to help them. Of course they're too stupid to understand that your way of life is gone and your children's future has been sacrificed to the false god of progress. Your neighbors sold their bicycle rights long ago because they couldn't fight the tyranny. Now with everyone gone the highway is vacant. Years later, a crooked politician takes a bribe and has the rules changed again to allow a Chinese trucking company to use it to haul Kung Pao Chicken to the masses. Nailed it! Yup Best summation I have heard. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:36:14 PM EDT
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That bill also including reducing his # of cows effectively putting him out of business. No idea why people keep missing that part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just find it odd that the feds can waste a million bucks chasing cattle in the desert that are Illegal and not try to arrest 1 illegal person crossing the border. Can someone think of 1 good thing the gov has done in the past 5 years, I sure cant and this doesn't help build trust with the avg American and its only going to get worse as time goes on. Bundy's getting the bill for the 1 million, IIRC, so the Feds aren't wasting anything. Because sending him a bill has worked so well in the past That bill also including reducing his # of cows effectively putting him out of business. No idea why people keep missing that part. They can see it just fine, it's just irrelevant to them. Corrupt law is the law to them so it must be obeyed. Sickening |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:38:39 PM EDT
[#39]
Saturday is the anniversary of Waco. Harry Ried might have the raid done that day to assert dominance.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:39:59 PM EDT
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I wanna call BS on Cliven not opening those letters.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:53:13 PM EDT
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Saturday is the anniversary of Waco. Harry Ried might have the raid done that day to assert dominance. That would be beyond fucked up. In my opinion they cannot do anything until this blows over some. Doing a raid now with this many people at the ranch would cause very serious repercussions. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:57:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:04:21 PM EDT
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That would be beyond fucked up. In my opinion they cannot do anything until this blows over some. Doing a raid now with this many people at the ranch would cause very serious repercussions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saturday is the anniversary of Waco. Harry Ried might have the raid done that day to assert dominance. That would be beyond fucked up. In my opinion they cannot do anything until this blows over some. Doing a raid now with this many people at the ranch would cause very serious repercussions. Well this administration seems to do what they want. And it will probably be Hillary in 2016 anyway.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:06:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell, it's a start. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:06:50 PM EDT
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What happened to the imminent SWAT raid? They weren't going to raid anything. Just round up the cattle that were on BLM lands and demo the water stations. The full-on SWAT raid is exactly what Bundy wants, and BLM is going to avoid something like this at all costs. Bundy has alluded to this for 16+ years. He's basically worked out this template that makes him volatile enough to frighten people, but not quite enough for the local authorities to arrest him for threats. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:14:01 PM EDT
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Pro freedom??? You don't get it.....Reid is not pro gun, he panders just enough to stay elected. He is evil and a threat to us all. Don't be naive, it's thinking like this that keeps really bad politicians in office forever
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I just came into this thread with the intention to post that my cousin had emailed me a link to infowars and when I watched it, it was saying much of what I was saying in most of my posts. I hadn't watched any Alex Jones had posted of put up YouTube because I think his stuff is generally suspect. I wanted to see who in here thought I was acting as an infowar mouth piece and assure them I wasn't. I click on the little green arrow and what do I see? Little Ol' Harry Reid, calling those exercising their 1st and 2nd amendment rights, "terrorists". That had better send chills up your spine!!! The dude is annoying as heck and I think he does more harm than good just to stir the pot or sell a water filter but he does promote the 2A and freedom. Like so many have said; a blind hog will find an acorn every now and then, but the more attention this situation gets the better. Pro freedom??? You don't get it.....Reid is not pro gun, he panders just enough to stay elected. He is evil and a threat to us all. Don't be naive, it's thinking like this that keeps really bad politicians in office forever
I'm sure he thinks highly of gays and black people too. whats weird is how softspoken and anemic he is. Who the hell voted for this wimp?
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:15:36 PM EDT
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They weren't going to raid anything. Just round up the cattle that were on BLM lands and demo the water stations. The full-on SWAT raid is exactly what Bundy wants, and BLM is going to avoid something like this at all costs. Bundy has alluded to this for 16+ years. He's basically worked out this template that makes him volatile enough to frighten people, but not quite enough for the local authorities to arrest him for threats. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happened to the imminent SWAT raid? They weren't going to raid anything. Just round up the cattle that were on BLM lands and demo the water stations. The full-on SWAT raid is exactly what Bundy wants, and BLM is going to avoid something like this at all costs. Bundy has alluded to this for 16+ years. He's basically worked out this template that makes him volatile enough to frighten people, but not quite enough for the local authorities to arrest him for threats. I'm interested in your opinion of the post directly above yours in large red text. This one |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:21:49 PM EDT
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I just find it odd that the feds can waste a million bucks chasing cattle in the desert that are Illegal and not try to arrest 1 illegal person crossing the border. Can someone think of 1 good thing the gov has done in the past 5 years, I sure cant and this doesn't help build trust with the avg American and its only going to get worse as time goes on. Bundy's getting the bill for the 1 million, IIRC, so the Feds aren't wasting anything. Because sending him a bill has worked so well in the past That bill also including reducing his # of cows effectively putting him out of business. No idea why people keep missing that part. They can see it just fine, it's just irrelevant to them. Corrupt law is the law to them so it must be obeyed. Sickening There will always be people that obey the law whether it is just or not. Complacency makes them just as accountable as the corrupt politicians. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:24:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The more Cliven and some of his supporters talk the more they look like loons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rachel Madcow was blasting FNC last night saying they were trying to re-stoke the fires of Waco and Ruby Ridge and were encouraging a fight. Of course she was telling the government side of those stories too. Complete with an ATF agent from Waco. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I will not watch any video of Madcow. Won't do it. Ok, never say never, because I never thought I'd agree with anything pontificated by Madcow, but I tend to agree with aspects of what's written above. The parallels to Waco and Ruby Ridge come from Cliven Bundy, himself. Signed, no less. He writes to letters to the Sheriff's Office stating that he's in fear of his and his family's lives if BLM shows up, requesting demanding sheriff's deputy protection ... and then has 52 of his grandchildren show up? Add to that the eye opening statements by Richard Mack, and the writing is on the wall. Mack isn't a nobody. As horrified as I was to hear Mack say what he said, and then double down on his statements in subsequent radio interviews, I'm glad that FNC broadcast his statements because sunlight can be a very good disinfectant. The more Cliven and some of his supporters talk the more they look like loons. Yep. They're starting to sound more and more like the Freemen of Montana. At this point it's only a matter of time. As soon as someone in his group shoots an LEO, it's over for Bundy. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:25:13 PM EDT
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I'm sure he thinks highly of gays and black people too. whats weird is how softspoken and anemic he is. Who the hell voted for this wimp?Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just came into this thread with the intention to post that my cousin had emailed me a link to infowars and when I watched it, it was saying much of what I was saying in most of my posts. I hadn't watched any Alex Jones had posted of put up YouTube because I think his stuff is generally suspect. I wanted to see who in here thought I was acting as an infowar mouth piece and assure them I wasn't. I click on the little green arrow and what do I see? Little Ol' Harry Reid, calling those exercising their 1st and 2nd amendment rights, "terrorists". That had better send chills up your spine!!! The dude is annoying as heck and I think he does more harm than good just to stir the pot or sell a water filter but he does promote the 2A and freedom. Like so many have said; a blind hog will find an acorn every now and then, but the more attention this situation gets the better. Pro freedom??? You don't get it.....Reid is not pro gun, he panders just enough to stay elected. He is evil and a threat to us all. Don't be naive, it's thinking like this that keeps really bad politicians in office forever
I'm sure he thinks highly of gays and black people too. whats weird is how softspoken and anemic he is. Who the hell voted for this wimp?A lot of Californians that have moved to Clark county.
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