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Posted: 2/24/2014 2:54:47 AM EST
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Posted: 2/24/2014 3:01:27 AM EST
This is a good thought experiment & and one I've used when debating someone who is pro-abortion.

The reaction is usually a deer in the headlight look.

. But it isn’t pro-lifers who should worry about the Giubilini-Minerva proposal. It’s pro-choicers. The case for "after-birth abortion” draws a logical path from common pro-choice assumptions to infanticide. It challenges us, implicitly and explicitly, to explain why, if abortion is permissible, infanticide isn’t.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 3:01:48 AM EST
It's actually kind of nice. They're doing exactly what I do in pro-life apologetics, but in reverse. Same point, though--passage through the birth canal doesn't change a human being's intrinsic value.

Basically, "Would you do this to a born human, like a 2-year-old girl?"


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Posted: 2/24/2014 3:07:10 AM EST
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It's actually kind of nice. They're doing exactly what I do in pro-life apologetics, but in reverse. Same point, though--passage through the birth canal doesn't change a human being's intrinsic value.

Basically, "Would you do this to a born human, like a 2-year-old girl?"


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Posted: 2/24/2014 3:15:16 AM EST
Obama voted yes on this 3 times when he was a state senator.
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Morally there's no difference.

Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.
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Morally there's no difference.

Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.



This.




Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.



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Posted: 2/24/2014 3:24:02 AM EST
Actually this is a good thing. For too long the pro abortion people have said that what they kill is just a mass of cells. This takes it to a new level. If it's OK to kill a child in the womb, then why not outside the womb? If it's OK to kill a 2 year old because it is a burden, then why not an invalid or a elderly person? It brings the hypocrisy out in the open and makes them explain themselves.
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Actually this is a good thing. For too long the pro abortion people have said that what they kill is just a mass of cells. This takes it to a new level. If it's OK to kill a child in the womb, then why not outside the womb? If it's OK to kill a 2 year old because it is a burden, then why not an invalid or a elderly person? It brings the hypocrisy out in the open and makes them explain themselves.
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it has always been about killing those who do not contribute to society.

and why not? human life has no inherent value. thats some bible thumping bullshit right there.
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This.


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Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.

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Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.


This.



Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.



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Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.



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Morally there's no difference.

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This.




Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.




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It's actually kind of nice. They're doing exactly what I do in pro-life apologetics, but in reverse. Same point, though--passage through the birth canal doesn't change a human being's intrinsic value.

Basically, "Would you do this to a born human, like a 2-year-old girl?"


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Yes, they would. And they would do so to you and me, if we become an inconvenience for them.
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Actually this is a good thing. For too long the pro abortion people have said that what they kill is just a mass of cells. This takes it to a new level. If it's OK to kill a child in the womb, then why not outside the womb? If it's OK to kill a 2 year old because it is a burden, then why not an invalid or a elderly person? It brings the hypocrisy out in the open and makes them explain themselves.
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Well, Euthenasia is a thing, and Belgium just expanded it to children. Oh, it will start out as "People have a right to die with dignity" and people, including children, will do that when hit by debilitating diseases. This is the equivalent of the "medically necessary" abortion thing. Then it will expand to "Well, grandmother is old and we can't afford a nursing home. She may not want to die, but we want her to and the doctor gets paid eitehr way." You can assume that road eventually leads to, "Damn, this kid cries a lot more than I thought they would. Somebody get a needle."

Welcome to the disposable culture. If it's too hard, or too inconvenient, and you're just too selfish, just throw it away.

I, no shit, know a person who thinks an abortion would be okay while the child is in the birth canal, for any reason. So long as it hasn't actually been "delivered". Since she's not religious and thus can't believe in some miracle occuring that turns everything on once the kid pops out, I assume she just hasn't figured out how to to justify infanticide.
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Well, Euthenasia is a thing, and Belgium just expanded it to children. Oh, it will start out as "People have a right to die with dignity" and people, including children, will do that when hit by debilitating diseases. This is the equivalent of the "medically necessary" abortion thing. Then it will expand to "Well, grandmother is old and we can't afford a nursing home. She may not want to die, but we want her to and the doctor gets paid eitehr way." You can assume that road eventually leads to, "Damn, this kid cries a lot more than I thought they would. Somebody get a needle."

Welcome to the disposable culture. If it's too hard, or too inconvenient, and you're just too selfish, just throw it away.

I, no shit, know a person who thinks an abortion would be okay while the child is in the birth canal, for any reason. So long as it hasn't actually been "delivered". Since she's not religious and thus can't believe in some miracle occuring that turns everything on once the kid pops out, I assume she just hasn't figured out how to to justify infanticide.
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Actually this is a good thing. For too long the pro abortion people have said that what they kill is just a mass of cells. This takes it to a new level. If it's OK to kill a child in the womb, then why not outside the womb? If it's OK to kill a 2 year old because it is a burden, then why not an invalid or a elderly person? It brings the hypocrisy out in the open and makes them explain themselves.


Well, Euthenasia is a thing, and Belgium just expanded it to children. Oh, it will start out as "People have a right to die with dignity" and people, including children, will do that when hit by debilitating diseases. This is the equivalent of the "medically necessary" abortion thing. Then it will expand to "Well, grandmother is old and we can't afford a nursing home. She may not want to die, but we want her to and the doctor gets paid eitehr way." You can assume that road eventually leads to, "Damn, this kid cries a lot more than I thought they would. Somebody get a needle."

Welcome to the disposable culture. If it's too hard, or too inconvenient, and you're just too selfish, just throw it away.

I, no shit, know a person who thinks an abortion would be okay while the child is in the birth canal, for any reason. So long as it hasn't actually been "delivered". Since she's not religious and thus can't believe in some miracle occuring that turns everything on once the kid pops out, I assume she just hasn't figured out how to to justify infanticide.


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Morally there's no difference.

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This.




Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.




Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake.
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Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake.
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Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.



This.




Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.




Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake.


murder is nothing more than illegal homicide.

what society deems acceptable isn't murder.

so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch.

where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread.
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Well, Euthenasia is a thing, and Belgium just expanded it to children. Oh, it will start out as "People have a right to die with dignity" and people, including children, will do that when hit by debilitating diseases. This is the equivalent of the "medically necessary" abortion thing. Then it will expand to "Well, grandmother is old and we can't afford a nursing home. She may not want to die, but we want her to and the doctor gets paid eitehr way." You can assume that road eventually leads to, "Damn, this kid cries a lot more than I thought they would. Somebody get a needle."

Welcome to the disposable culture. If it's too hard, or too inconvenient, and you're just too selfish, just throw it away.

I, no shit, know a person who thinks an abortion would be okay while the child is in the birth canal, for any reason. So long as it hasn't actually been "delivered". Since she's not religious and thus can't believe in some miracle occuring that turns everything on once the kid pops out, I assume she just hasn't figured out how to to justify infanticide.
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Actually this is a good thing. For too long the pro abortion people have said that what they kill is just a mass of cells. This takes it to a new level. If it's OK to kill a child in the womb, then why not outside the womb? If it's OK to kill a 2 year old because it is a burden, then why not an invalid or a elderly person? It brings the hypocrisy out in the open and makes them explain themselves.


Well, Euthenasia is a thing, and Belgium just expanded it to children. Oh, it will start out as "People have a right to die with dignity" and people, including children, will do that when hit by debilitating diseases. This is the equivalent of the "medically necessary" abortion thing. Then it will expand to "Well, grandmother is old and we can't afford a nursing home. She may not want to die, but we want her to and the doctor gets paid eitehr way." You can assume that road eventually leads to, "Damn, this kid cries a lot more than I thought they would. Somebody get a needle."

Welcome to the disposable culture. If it's too hard, or too inconvenient, and you're just too selfish, just throw it away.

I, no shit, know a person who thinks an abortion would be okay while the child is in the birth canal, for any reason. So long as it hasn't actually been "delivered". Since she's not religious and thus can't believe in some miracle occuring that turns everything on once the kid pops out, I assume she just hasn't figured out how to to justify infanticide.


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It's actually kind of nice. They're doing exactly what I do in pro-life apologetics, but in reverse. Same point, though--passage through the birth canal doesn't change a human being's intrinsic value.

Basically, "Would you do this to a born human, like a 2-year-old girl?"




Yes, they would. And they would do so to you and me, if we become an inconvenience for them.

Someone I know told me that even if fetuses were people it would be OK to abort them as long as they were going to be born into difficult circumstances. In other words, life unworthy of life.
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There is a long history of infanticide among other cultures. Who are we in the west to impose our patriarchal white supremacist morality on them?
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Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake.
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Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?

The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice?
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Posted: 2/24/2014 4:08:46 AM EST
50 years from now, those same "people" will be culling out teens that don't meet "expectations"

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Posted: 2/24/2014 4:10:41 AM EST
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Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?

The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice?
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Originally Posted By tango1978:
Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake.



Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?

The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice?

The GOP just needs to stop being so extremist on abortion, gay marriage, the budget, Obamacare, and the environment and they'll win elections. After all, it works for the Democrats.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 4:13:30 AM EST
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Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?

The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice?
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Originally Posted By tango1978:
Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake.



Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?

The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice?


According to poles there are more pro-life than pro-choice, but then again you are trolling so ill just help those that might think you are serious.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/More-Americans-Pro-Life-Than-Pro-Choice-First-Time.aspx
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Posted: 2/24/2014 4:13:31 AM EST
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Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.



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Morally there's no difference.

Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.



This.




Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.






.............I'd rather stand for my beliefs and lose, knowing I have my integrity...........
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most people don't know this but the very first law in Indian Territory was proclaimed by Choctaw Chief Mushulatubee making infanticide ( which was common by drowning) illegal and that all choctaw life was valued by the tribe and by God.
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There is a long history of infanticide among other cultures. Who are we in the west to impose our patriarchal white supremacist morality on them?
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Morally there's no difference.

Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.

There is a long history of infanticide among other cultures. Who are we in the west to impose our patriarchal white supremacist morality on them?


racists.

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Posted: 2/24/2014 4:15:02 AM EST
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murder is nothing more than illegal homicide.

what society deems acceptable isn't murder.

so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch.

where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread.
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Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Morally there's no difference.

Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.



This.




Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.




Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake.


murder is nothing more than illegal homicide.

what society deems acceptable isn't murder.

so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch.

where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread.


As a libertarian, I've made the point many times that people who are pro abortion on the basis of MYOB have no business calling themselves libertarians.

The heart of libertarianism is the protecting of individual rights - the debate on abortion needs to center on when people are granted those rights, not what is politically, or personally convenient.
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For those who say the Bible is a dusty old book that has no bearing on us today because we live in a totally different world:

Isaiah 5:3
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

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They even sacrificed their sons
And their daughters to demons,
And shed innocent blood,
The blood of their sons and daughters,
Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan;
And the land was polluted with blood.
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Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Morally there's no difference.

Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.


For those who say the Bible is a dusty old book that has no bearing on us today because we live in a totally different world:

Isaiah 5:3
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Psalm 106:37-39
They even sacrificed their sons
And their daughters to demons,
And shed innocent blood,
The blood of their sons and daughters,
Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan;
And the land was polluted with blood.


Oh brother, quotes from the bible.

Don't forget what Obi Wan Kanobi said, "Beware of the Dark Side, it is strong!"
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In before the "it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" crowd.
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As a libertarian, I've made the point many times that people who are pro abortion on the basis of MYOB have no business calling themselves libertarians.

The heart of libertarianism is the protecting of individual rights - the debate on abortion needs to center on when people are granted those rights, not what is politically, or personally convenient.
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you aren't a true libertarian while you lecture women on what they can do with their bodies OR their offspring.

Keep your laws off my body!

Sub-Humans, whether pre or post natal, do not have individual rights. and we will let judges and liberal academics, who are best suited to make these hard choices, determine what is, and is not, sub-human.

this is logic and reason, the only gods I will kneel before.

check your privilege.
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most people don't know this but the very first law in Indian Territory was proclaimed by Choctaw Chief Mushulatubee making infanticide ( which was common by drowning) illegal and that all choctaw life was valued by the tribe and by God.
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That's just an example of internalized oppression stemming from the white patriarchy's oppression of women and people of color. The aboriginal first nations of this continent respected the rights of all people, be they male, female, two-spirit, cis-gendered, transgendered, trans*, genderqueer, gay, lesbian, bisexual, queer, questioning, asexual, polysexual, pansexual, or any other gender identity that we have not yet discovered to control their bodies.
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just the bible thumpers taking a 2000 year old fairy tale and subjugating the free man with it.

christian taliban is all they are; trying to build a theocracy around ignorance and hatred.
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racists.

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Morally there's no difference.

Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.

There is a long history of infanticide among other cultures. Who are we in the west to impose our patriarchal white supremacist morality on them?


racists.

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If we confess our privilege and repent then we can be saved.
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just the bible thumpers taking a 2000 year old fairy tale and subjugating the free man with it.

christian taliban is all they are; trying to build a theocracy around ignorance and hatred.
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In before the "it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" crowd.


just the bible thumpers taking a 2000 year old fairy tale and subjugating the free man with it.

christian taliban is all they are; trying to build a theocracy around ignorance and hatred.

It's basically The Handmaiden's Tale.
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murder is nothing more than illegal homicide.

what society deems acceptable isn't murder.

so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch.

where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread.
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Morally there's no difference.

Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.



This.




Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.




Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake.


murder is nothing more than illegal homicide.

what society deems acceptable isn't murder.

so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch.

where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread.


LOLno thumping at all and I'm not even a religious person. Not everyone bases right and wrong on religion.
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Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?

The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice?
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Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake.



Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?

The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice?

What about the baby's choice ?
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Morally there's no difference.

Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim.

There is a long history of infanticide among other cultures. Who are we in the west to impose our patriarchal white supremacist morality on them?


racists.

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LOLno thumping at all and I'm not even a religious person. Not everyone bases right and wrong on religion.
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So who are you to determine what is, and is not, murder as opposed to justifiable homicide. How are you doing it?

just your typical white male shoving everyone into a colonial heterocage.
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