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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:27:31 AM EDT
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Oh brother, quotes from the bible. Don't forget what Obi Wan Kanobi said, "Beware of the Dark Side, it is strong!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. For those who say the Bible is a dusty old book that has no bearing on us today because we live in a totally different world: Isaiah 5:3 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Psalm 106:37-39 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. Oh brother, quotes from the bible. Don't forget what Obi Wan Kanobi said, "Beware of the Dark Side, it is strong!" Now that your reflexive response to seeing scripture is out of the way, do you have anything to say to my point that these particular scriptures--whether you believe the Bible or not--portray a world that is not at all different from the one that now sees the open advocacy for the killing of newborns? My apologies if I missed sarcasm. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:28:29 AM EDT
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I would go for that if we can allow men who have suffered irreparable harm due to abortion......I vote that men be allowed to do abortion...like perform post birth abortion of rapist, pedophiles, drug dealers, and maybe a smattering of communist here and there.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:28:34 AM EDT
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Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!? 
The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice? What about the baby's choice ? what baby? I just see a clump of sub-human cells that wants to parasitically drain the mother emotionally and physically for 18 years. surely you aren't going to call some 7 pound lump of pink, defenseless meat "Human"? |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:29:27 AM EDT
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So who are you to determine what is, and is not, murder as opposed to justifiable homicide. How are you doing it? just your typical white male shoving everyone into a colonial heterocage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOLno thumping at all and I'm not even a religious person. Not everyone bases right and wrong on religion. So who are you to determine what is, and is not, murder as opposed to justifiable homicide. How are you doing it? just your typical white male shoving everyone into a colonial heterocage. I guess I'm just rasis 
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:29:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: making us lose elections. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. This. making us lose elections. Especially if you think that the morning after form of birth control is the same as infanticide. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:30:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that your reflexive response to seeing scripture is out of the way, do you have anything to say to my point that these particular scriptures--whether you believe the Bible or not--portray a world that is not at all different from the one that now sees the open advocacy for the killing of newborns? My apologies if I missed sarcasm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. For those who say the Bible is a dusty old book that has no bearing on us today because we live in a totally different world: Isaiah 5:3 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Psalm 106:37-39 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. Oh brother, quotes from the bible. Don't forget what Obi Wan Kanobi said, "Beware of the Dark Side, it is strong!" Now that your reflexive response to seeing scripture is out of the way, do you have anything to say to my point that these particular scriptures--whether you believe the Bible or not--portray a world that is not at all different from the one that now sees the open advocacy for the killing of newborns? My apologies if I missed sarcasm. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:30:14 AM EDT
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I would go for that if we can allow men who have suffered irreparable harm due to abortion......I vote that men be allowed to do abortion...like perform post birth abortion of rapist, pedophiles, drug dealers, and maybe a smattering of communist here and there. Those men are victims of society. See, had we killed them before they became human, then they wouldn't have committed any crimes. We failed them as a society. So whatever crimes they commit, because only humans can commit crimes, is societies fault. Until a clump of cells can physically commit a violent felony, it isn't really human. racist. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:32:38 AM EDT
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So who are you to determine what is, and is not, murder as opposed to justifiable homicide. How are you doing it? just your typical white male shoving everyone into a colonial heterocage. Bonus points awarded for mastering the language of the debate. I'd like to see an Epic Rap Battle between Sylvan and Rusted Ace. Most halal!!! |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:33:04 AM EDT
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murder is nothing more than illegal homicide. what society deems acceptable isn't murder. so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch. where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. This. Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.
Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. murder is nothing more than illegal homicide. what society deems acceptable isn't murder. so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch. where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread. I'm a libertarian. Abortion is murder. Your "choice" is to or not to create a new life. Once you've created that life, you've made your choice and are responsible for it. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:33:30 AM EDT
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And people wonder how they found people to herd Jews into the gas chamber and pull the lever. There are plenty of people who are completely fine with this way of thinking.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:33:47 AM EDT
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Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.
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Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. This. Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:34:29 AM EDT
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And people wonder how they found people to herd Jews into the gas chamber and pull the lever. There are plenty of people who are completely fine with this way of thinking. Yup. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:34:39 AM EDT
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what society deems acceptable isn't murder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. This. Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.
Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. what society deems acceptable isn't murder. So killing 6 million Jews in the holocaust evidently wasn't murder, because German society deemed it acceptable. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:35:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For those who say the Bible is a dusty old book that has no bearing on us today because we live in a totally different world: Psalm 106:37-39 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. For those who say the Bible is a dusty old book that has no bearing on us today because we live in a totally different world: Psalm 106:37-39 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. Or when they killed their daughters for not being virgins on their wedding night? That kind of sacrifice? Or when they killed entire towns, including children and infants? That kind of sacrifice? Or when god supposedly killed all the first borns in an entire country? That kind of sacrifice of children? Sorry, with a track record like that, the OT has no moral authority on the subject of killing children. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:35:22 AM EDT
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And people wonder how they found people to herd Jews into the gas chamber and pull the lever. There are plenty of people who are completely fine with this way of thinking. this |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:36:21 AM EDT
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what baby? I just see a clump of sub-human cells that wants to parasitically drain the mother emotionally and physically for 18 years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?
The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice? What about the baby's choice ? what baby? I just see a clump of sub-human cells that wants to parasitically drain the mother emotionally and physically for 18 years. Um, huh? So no one is human until they are over 18? |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:36:25 AM EDT
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just the bible thumpers taking a 2000 year old fairy tale and subjugating the free man with it. christian taliban is all they are; trying to build a theocracy around ignorance and hatred. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before the "it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" crowd. just the bible thumpers taking a 2000 year old fairy tale and subjugating the free man with it. christian taliban is all they are; trying to build a theocracy around ignorance and hatred. I'm assuming you're just trolling (poorly) Killing babies is wrong prima facia. It need have nothing to do with religion. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:36:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And people wonder how they found people to herd Jews into the gas chamber and pull the lever. There are plenty of people who are completely fine with this way of thinking. Yup. There are no shortage of people who will kill you for convenience. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:36:35 AM EDT
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............ Those men are victims of society. See, had we killed them before they became human, then they wouldn't have committed any crimes. We failed them as a society. So whatever crimes they commit, because only humans can commit crimes, is societies fault. Until a clump of cells can physically commit a violent felony, it isn't really human. racist. Maybe we should delete that because that will give them ideas? 
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:36:48 AM EDT
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You can rationalize any behavior in the world folks, stop being racist, sexist, and being a statist.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:37:28 AM EDT
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You mean like when Jeptha sacrificed his daughter because Yahweh helped him kill people in a battle? That kind of sacrificing of their son's and daughters? Or when they killed their daughters for not being virgins on their wedding night? That kind of sacrifice? Or when they killed entire towns, including children and infants? That kind of sacrifice? Or when god supposedly killed all the first borns in an entire country? That kind of sacrifice of children? Sorry, with a track record like that, the OT has no moral authority on the subject of killing children. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. For those who say the Bible is a dusty old book that has no bearing on us today because we live in a totally different world: Psalm 106:37-39 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. Or when they killed their daughters for not being virgins on their wedding night? That kind of sacrifice? Or when they killed entire towns, including children and infants? That kind of sacrifice? Or when god supposedly killed all the first borns in an entire country? That kind of sacrifice of children? Sorry, with a track record like that, the OT has no moral authority on the subject of killing children. Fair enough. Since you claim the moral authority to judge God, you should be good enough to judge the subject of the thread. What's your take on post-birth abortion and the ethical justification presented by the advocates in the OP's linked article? |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:38:18 AM EDT
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Those men are victims of society. See, had we killed them before they became human, then they wouldn't have committed any crimes. We failed them as a society. So whatever crimes they commit, because only humans can commit crimes, is societies fault. Until a clump of cells can physically commit a violent felony, it isn't really human. racist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would go for that if we can allow men who have suffered irreparable harm due to abortion......I vote that men be allowed to do abortion...like perform post birth abortion of rapist, pedophiles, drug dealers, and maybe a smattering of communist here and there. Those men are victims of society. See, had we killed them before they became human, then they wouldn't have committed any crimes. We failed them as a society. So whatever crimes they commit, because only humans can commit crimes, is societies fault. Until a clump of cells can physically commit a violent felony, it isn't really human. racist. Your heterocage is showing. Men can't be victims, as it is the male dominated rape society that has allowed them to come into being. Their very existence is proof of the fact. Fascist/Racist/Sexist
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:38:25 AM EDT
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Just look at threads fantasizing about killing illegals on this very site. There are no shortage of people who will kill you for convenience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And people wonder how they found people to herd Jews into the gas chamber and pull the lever. There are plenty of people who are completely fine with this way of thinking. Yup. There are no shortage of people who will kill you for convenience. Stop deflecting. When we see that sort of language then we attack it the same way as attacking the asshole in the OP's article. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:39:18 AM EDT
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Obama voted yes on this 3 times when he was a state senator. Would you expect any less from a man who has sold his soul to Satan? |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:39:26 AM EDT
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what baby? I just see a clump of sub-human cells that wants to parasitically drain the mother emotionally and physically for 18 years. surely you aren't going to call some 7 pound lump of pink, defenseless meat "Human"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?
The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice? What about the baby's choice ? what baby? I just see a clump of sub-human cells that wants to parasitically drain the mother emotionally and physically for 18 years. surely you aren't going to call some 7 pound lump of pink, defenseless meat "Human"? The Christian Taliban loves calling post-natal fetuses 'babies'. It's their way of trying to trick the poor womyn (who was probably raped) into keeping the thing. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:40:27 AM EDT
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The Christian Taliban loves calling post-natal fetuses 'babies'. It's their way of trying to trick the poor womyn (who was probably raped) into keeping the thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?
The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice? What about the baby's choice ? what baby? I just see a clump of sub-human cells that wants to parasitically drain the mother emotionally and physically for 18 years. surely you aren't going to call some 7 pound lump of pink, defenseless meat "Human"? The Christian Taliban loves calling post-natal fetuses 'babies'. It's their way of trying to trick the poor womyn (who was probably raped) into keeping the thing. Where's the "Like" button? This whole exchange is awesome. 
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:40:50 AM EDT
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Now that your reflexive response to seeing scripture is out of the way, do you have anything to say to my point that these particular scriptures--whether you believe the Bible or not--portray a world that is not at all different from the one that now sees the open advocacy for the killing of newborns? My apologies if I missed sarcasm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. For those who say the Bible is a dusty old book that has no bearing on us today because we live in a totally different world: Isaiah 5:3 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Psalm 106:37-39 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. Oh brother, quotes from the bible. Don't forget what Obi Wan Kanobi said, "Beware of the Dark Side, it is strong!" Now that your reflexive response to seeing scripture is out of the way, do you have anything to say to my point that these particular scriptures--whether you believe the Bible or not--portray a world that is not at all different from the one that now sees the open advocacy for the killing of newborns? My apologies if I missed sarcasm. Your fictional book was written after people were being killed, while people were being killed, and people are still being killed. Some people are still being killed because of peoples stong belief of your "great book." Just because you found a few lines in it that apply at any time in history means very little. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:41:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair enough. Since you claim the moral authority to judge God, you should be good enough to judge the subject of the thread. What's your take on post-birth abortion and the ethical justification presented by the advocates in the OP's linked article? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. For those who say the Bible is a dusty old book that has no bearing on us today because we live in a totally different world: Psalm 106:37-39 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with blood. Or when they killed their daughters for not being virgins on their wedding night? That kind of sacrifice? Or when they killed entire towns, including children and infants? That kind of sacrifice? Or when god supposedly killed all the first borns in an entire country? That kind of sacrifice of children? Sorry, with a track record like that, the OT has no moral authority on the subject of killing children. Fair enough. Since you claim the moral authority to judge God, you should be good enough to judge the subject of the thread. What's your take on post-birth abortion and the ethical justification presented by the advocates in the OP's linked article? I've said in many other abortion threads, I think a human brain is required for a human to be present. Before that (or after that, in the case of people who become brain dead from traumatic injury), the person no longer exists. We simply don't know what a fetus thinks and feels, thus we should err on the side of caution and use the presence of a brain with ANY activity as the line of separation between "a lump of cells" and a human. I realize that this would make abortions that are performed in this country today illegal, and I don't care. That said, I have no desire to push this issue on the political stage, because it will undoubtedly help the democrats. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:41:31 AM EDT
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The Christian Taliban loves calling post-natal fetuses 'babies'. It's their way of trying to trick the poor womyn (who was probably raped) into keeping the thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?
The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice? What about the baby's choice ? what baby? I just see a clump of sub-human cells that wants to parasitically drain the mother emotionally and physically for 18 years. surely you aren't going to call some 7 pound lump of pink, defenseless meat "Human"? The Christian Taliban loves calling post-natal fetuses 'babies'. It's their way of trying to trick the poor womyn (who was probably raped) into keeping the thing. Except for the fact that, you know, rape is only cited in 1% or less of all abortions. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:42:50 AM EDT
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it does cause the question to be asked - what is the difference between a 9 month abortion and a baby? and 8 month and a baby? a 7th month and a baby?
where do you draw the line? because honestly - "it's still in the womb" is a shitty as answer. pre-mature babies can survive being born months before their estimated birth, yet it's still OK to kill others that same age because they're still up there? stupid if you ask me. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:43:33 AM EDT
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Sub-Humans, whether pre or post natal, do not have individual rights. and we will let judges and liberal academics, who are best suited to make these hard choices, determine what is, and is not, sub-human. That may be the best statement on this I've ever seen. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:43:53 AM EDT
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I've been for non-parental post birth abortion for years! Especially for politicians.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:44:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop deflecting. When we see that sort of language then we attack it the same way as attacking the asshole in the OP's article. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And people wonder how they found people to herd Jews into the gas chamber and pull the lever. There are plenty of people who are completely fine with this way of thinking. Yup. There are no shortage of people who will kill you for convenience. Stop deflecting. When we see that sort of language then we attack it the same way as attacking the asshole in the OP's article. Liberals fantasize about doing it to "evil conservatives" or the "greedy 1%". I think people getting sent to the gas chambers is more in line with those examples than infanticide (which is equally wrong...just somewhat different). |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:44:48 AM EDT
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That may be the best statement on this I've ever seen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sub-Humans, whether pre or post natal, do not have individual rights. and we will let judges and liberal academics, who are best suited to make these hard choices, determine what is, and is not, sub-human. That may be the best statement on this I've ever seen. Fuck, if a 'tard had his/her way, they'd abort 60 year old RDak for god's sake. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:45:18 AM EDT
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oh and another thing - it's hilarious that people call it a baby when it's wanted and a fetus when it's not. ask a woman how her fetus is doing, what the sex of her fetus is, when is the fetus due, etc and you'll probably get slapped. but if she decided she didn't want it, it'd be perfectly OK. it's pretty fucked up that the mother gets to decide what "it" is referred to.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:45:23 AM EDT
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I prefer to wait until they become criminals before aborting.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:45:35 AM EDT
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it does cause the question to be asked - what is the difference between a 9 month abortion and a baby? and 8 month and a baby? a 7th month and a baby? where do you draw the line? because honestly - "it's still in the womb" is a shitty as answer. pre-mature babies can survive being born months before their estimated birth, yet it's still OK to kill others that same age because they're still up there? stupid if you ask me. You're asking for when we define the beginning of human life...and that's a sticky question most pro-choicers would desperately like to avoid. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:46:11 AM EDT
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All humans have this authority. I've said in many other abortion threads, I think a human brain is required for a human to be present. Before that (or after that, in the case of people who become brain dead from traumatic injury), the person no longer exists. We simply don't know what a fetus thinks and feels, thus we should err on the side of caution and use the presence of a brain with ANY activity as the line of separation between "a lump of cells" and a human. I realize that this would make abortions that are performed in this country today illegal, and I don't care. That said, I have no desire to push this issue on the political stage, because it will undoubtedly help the democrats. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fair enough. Since you claim the moral authority to judge God, you should be good enough to judge the subject of the thread. What's your take on post-birth abortion and the ethical justification presented by the advocates in the OP's linked article? I've said in many other abortion threads, I think a human brain is required for a human to be present. Before that (or after that, in the case of people who become brain dead from traumatic injury), the person no longer exists. We simply don't know what a fetus thinks and feels, thus we should err on the side of caution and use the presence of a brain with ANY activity as the line of separation between "a lump of cells" and a human. I realize that this would make abortions that are performed in this country today illegal, and I don't care. That said, I have no desire to push this issue on the political stage, because it will undoubtedly help the democrats. If we each have our own moral authority, why would you possibly overstep your bounds like this and advocate making abortion illegal? The writers of the article linked in the OP are simply exercising the moral authority that you have clearly recognized. What makes your morals superior to their morals such that we should make a decision that limits their moral authority? |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:46:40 AM EDT
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oh and another thing - it's hilarious that people call it a baby when it's wanted and a fetus when it's not. ask a woman how her fetus is doing, what the sex of her fetus is, when is the fetus due, etc and you'll probably get slapped. but if she decided she didn't want it, it'd be perfectly OK. it's pretty fucked up that the mother gets to decide what "it" is referred to. Language is a powerful thing...which is why corruption of it has a high priority for those who want to gain power. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:46:44 AM EDT
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........................ I didn't deflect anything. I posted a literal example of what he was talking about: people willing to take humans an load them on to train cars because they are "bad". It is just as pertinent as anything else to that point. Liberals fantasize about doing it to "evil conservatives" or the "greedy 1%". I think people getting sent to the gas chambers is more in line with those examples than infanticide (which is equally wrong...just somewhat different). Ok, now that you explained it I understand. However, I wouldn't be surprised if those whack job 'tards didn't find a way in their minds to compare those murders with justifiable infanticide |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:47:56 AM EDT
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It's actually kind of nice. They're doing exactly what I do in pro-life apologetics, but in reverse. Same point, though--passage through the birth canal doesn't change a human being's intrinsic value. Basically, "Would you do this to a born human, like a 2-year-old girl?" This, and
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:48:08 AM EDT
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Your fictional book was written after people were being killed, while people were being killed, and people are still being killed. Some people are still being killed because of peoples stong belief of your "great book." Just because you found a few lines in it that apply at any time in history means very little. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My apologies if I missed sarcasm. Your fictional book was written after people were being killed, while people were being killed, and people are still being killed. Some people are still being killed because of peoples stong belief of your "great book." Just because you found a few lines in it that apply at any time in history means very little. I'm relieved that I didn't miss sarcasm, and I'm glad to see someone who's so up on current events. Can you give me some examples of "Some people are still being killed because of peoples stong belief of your 'great book.'"? I can think of current cases of people being murdered *because* they believe in what you properly characterized as that "great book." Is that what you were talking about? So, what's your take on post-birth abortion and the ethical justification set forth by the authors of the article linked in the OP? |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:49:01 AM EDT
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murder is nothing more than illegal homicide. what society deems acceptable isn't murder. so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch. where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. This. Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.
Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. murder is nothing more than illegal homicide. what society deems acceptable isn't murder. so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch. where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread. I'm not a Bible-thumper and believe that abortion is usually murder. I believe intent matters. If there is a threat to the health of the mother, there is a justification for terminating the life of a fetus just as there would be justification for deciding to save one person from a burning building before another. But if the intent in aborting a child is to simply reduce the level of burden on the mother, her family or society as a whole, than I believe it to be unjustifiable and murder. Isn't the primary tenant of libertarian theology to, whenever possible, eliminate coercion and the implementation of force in regulating human behavior? Isn't it a greater use of force to terminate the life of an innocent rather than imposing a burden upon the mother, her family or society as a whole? Death is final. No greater coercion can be levied on an individual. Financial and societal burdens can be dealt with and accounted for. One could argue that because the mother is a self-aware, fully sentient individual that her needs and desires are more important than that of a fetus, but where does that slippery-slope end? Does it end at the birth canal? Apparently not. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:49:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we each have our own moral authority, why would you possibly overstep your bounds like this and advocate making abortion illegal? The writers of the article linked in the OP are simply exercising the moral authority that you have clearly recognized. What makes your morals superior to their morals such that we should make a decision that limits their moral authority? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fair enough. Since you claim the moral authority to judge God, you should be good enough to judge the subject of the thread. What's your take on post-birth abortion and the ethical justification presented by the advocates in the OP's linked article? I've said in many other abortion threads, I think a human brain is required for a human to be present. Before that (or after that, in the case of people who become brain dead from traumatic injury), the person no longer exists. We simply don't know what a fetus thinks and feels, thus we should err on the side of caution and use the presence of a brain with ANY activity as the line of separation between "a lump of cells" and a human. I realize that this would make abortions that are performed in this country today illegal, and I don't care. That said, I have no desire to push this issue on the political stage, because it will undoubtedly help the democrats. If we each have our own moral authority, why would you possibly overstep your bounds like this and advocate making abortion illegal? The writers of the article linked in the OP are simply exercising the moral authority that you have clearly recognized. What makes your morals superior to their morals such that we should make a decision that limits their moral authority? I view morals like health. Everyone has an opinion about what is healthy and what isn't. Often what is healthy does depend on what you value (being able to run far but having joint problems down the road, or being less in shape but not having joint impact problems, etc). That doesn't mean some things aren't objectively healthy and objectively unhealthy. Even the healthiest and smartest person in the world can do something unhealthy, and even the fattest slob out there can call them on it. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:51:41 AM EDT
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Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?
The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. Womyn have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long! Maybe we should just legalize beating women again, since that seems to be the sort of thing you are supporting!?
The GOP will start winning elections, just as soon as we support common sense pro-choice legislation. What do you have against choice? Pedophiles have suffered under the likes of will-imposers like you for too long. What do you have against choice? |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:52:08 AM EDT
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murder is nothing more than illegal homicide. what society deems acceptable isn't murder. so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch. where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. This. Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.
Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. murder is nothing more than illegal homicide. what society deems acceptable isn't murder. so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch. where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread. I'm seriously hoping that my sarcasm meter is a bit off this morning. I really, really am. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:52:09 AM EDT
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murder is nothing more than illegal homicide. what society deems acceptable isn't murder. so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch. where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morally there's no difference. Doing it before delivery simply provides a pretext for dehumanizing the victim. This. Both of you hate women, freedom, and free will, and just want to impose your misogynist views on everyone, making us lose elections.
Murder is murder, I don't base humanity or morals on fucking elections snowflake. murder is nothing more than illegal homicide. what society deems acceptable isn't murder. so don't be swinging your bible thumping morality all up in this bitch. where the fuck are the rest of the libertarians? they should be all over this thread. I'm seriously hoping that my sarcasm meter is a bit off this morning. I really, really am. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:52:26 AM EDT
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it does cause the question to be asked - what is the difference between a 9 month abortion and a baby? and 8 month and a baby? a 7th month and a baby? where do you draw the line? because honestly - "it's still in the womb" is a shitty as answer. pre-mature babies can survive being born months before their estimated birth, yet it's still OK to kill others that same age because they're still up there? stupid if you ask me. From conception the victim is the same. The only difference is age. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:53:03 AM EDT
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............... I'm seriously hoping that my sarcasm meter is a bit off this morning. I really, really am. It is............believe me IT IS!! 
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:56:06 AM EDT
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Just look at threads fantasizing about killing illegals on this very site. There are no shortage of people who will kill you for convenience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And people wonder how they found people to herd Jews into the gas chamber and pull the lever. There are plenty of people who are completely fine with this way of thinking. Yup. There are no shortage of people who will kill you for convenience. AR15.com members openly supporting killing Mexicans? I doubt it. |
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