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Posted: 4/1/2014 11:49:06 AM EDT
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I really do not know how to make the Keto diet work. If I'm reading everything right I need to consume
How do I get that many calories with so little carbs and so high in fat? Eat a stick of butter? Please advise! |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 11:55:54 AM EDT
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I really do not know how to make the Keto diet work. If I'm reading everything right I need to consume
How do I get that many calories with so little carbs and so high in fat? Eat a stick of butter? Please advise! The main concept of a keto diet is to get into ketosis, the state in which your body is burning body fat for energy instead of consumed carbohydrates. Fat and Protein aren't as important, unless you overload on them, and it takes a LOT. Salads, steak, fish, chicken, etc are all zero carb. You do have to watch out for sauces and dressings though. Calories don't much matter either, as they are no longer a source of energy. After awhile on a keto diet, your appetite will die, and the low calorie part, and low carb, etc will take care of itself. You'll have more energy than you know what to do with, while eating very little. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 12:08:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The main concept of a keto diet is to get into ketosis, the state in which your body is burning body fat for energy instead of consumed carbohydrates. Fat and Protein aren't as important, unless you overload on them, and it takes a LOT. Salads, steak, fish, chicken, etc are all zero carb. You do have to watch out for sauces and dressings though. Calories don't much matter either, as they are no longer a source of energy. After awhile on a keto diet, your appetite will die, and the low calorie part, and low carb, etc will take care of itself. You'll have more energy than you know what to do with, while eating very little. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I really do not know how to make the Keto diet work. If I'm reading everything right I need to consume
How do I get that many calories with so little carbs and so high in fat? Eat a stick of butter? Please advise! The main concept of a keto diet is to get into ketosis, the state in which your body is burning body fat for energy instead of consumed carbohydrates. Fat and Protein aren't as important, unless you overload on them, and it takes a LOT. Salads, steak, fish, chicken, etc are all zero carb. You do have to watch out for sauces and dressings though. Calories don't much matter either, as they are no longer a source of energy. After awhile on a keto diet, your appetite will die, and the low calorie part, and low carb, etc will take care of itself. You'll have more energy than you know what to do with, while eating very little. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 12:17:43 PM EDT
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hmmmm Salads are carbs, granted high complex carbs. It sounds as if you are more on an Adkins diet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really do not know how to make the Keto diet work. If I'm reading everything right I need to consume
How do I get that many calories with so little carbs and so high in fat? Eat a stick of butter? Please advise! The main concept of a keto diet is to get into ketosis, the state in which your body is burning body fat for energy instead of consumed carbohydrates. Fat and Protein aren't as important, unless you overload on them, and it takes a LOT. Salads, steak, fish, chicken, etc are all zero carb. You do have to watch out for sauces and dressings though. Calories don't much matter either, as they are no longer a source of energy. After awhile on a keto diet, your appetite will die, and the low calorie part, and low carb, etc will take care of itself. You'll have more energy than you know what to do with, while eating very little. Regular salads with lettuce, olives, cheese, etc are very low carb. Usually less than 7 carbs. Atkins is a ketogenic diet, it calls for a diet consisting with a lot of leafy greens and other vegetables. (Lots of people don't realize that, but it's repeated over and over in the book.) And after only a very short time, Atkins actually calls for adding carbs back in slowly so the individual can find the exact amount of carbs that their body can handle each day, while not gaining or losing or becoming diabetic. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 1:09:21 PM EDT
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I really do not know how to make the Keto diet work. If I'm reading everything right I need to consume
How do I get that many calories with so little carbs and so high in fat? Eat a stick of butter? Please advise! meat, cheese, green leafy vegatables. BTW, it's 20grams of NET carbs (so carbs minus fiber) bacon and eggs for breakfast leftover dinner from the night before for lunch (I make extra portions to do exactly this) dinner is meat (fatty is better than lean, lots of pork, steak, hamburger, etc) usually with cheese or a buttery sauce and a veggie. (cauliflower, brussel sprouts, broccoli, a green salad) snacks are almonds, peanuts, macademia nuts, pork rinds, pickles, olives, avocado's, cheese sticks desert is usually sugar free jello (yeah, I know, it's easy and cheap) or blackberries/raspberries (few) with heavy whipped cream. drink a LOT of water. no grains, no bread, no milk (but heavy cream works) |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 1:10:39 PM EDT
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]hmmmm Salads are carbs, granted high complex carbs. It sounds as if you are more on an Adkins diet? Keto is the hell week (induction phase) of atkins that never ends. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 2:57:48 PM EDT
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Keto is the hell week (induction phase) of atkins that never ends. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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]hmmmm Salads are carbs, granted high complex carbs. It sounds as if you are more on an Adkins diet? Keto is the hell week (induction phase) of atkins that never ends. My kid walks around, "don't you miss ice cream? " "don't you miss candy bars?" I really don't anymore, but it sucked hard for awhile. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 4:25:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My kid walks around, "don't you miss ice cream? " "don't you miss candy bars?" I really don't anymore, but it sucked hard for awhile. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ]hmmmm Salads are carbs, granted high complex carbs. It sounds as if you are more on an Adkins diet? Keto is the hell week (induction phase) of atkins that never ends. My kid walks around, "don't you miss ice cream? " "don't you miss candy bars?" I really don't anymore, but it sucked hard for awhile. I've been told things from I consume too much protein, too little calories or that I am not in Keto. I really do not care what it is, I just want to eat healthy, be able to run 12-15 miles a week and look and feel good. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 5:59:22 PM EDT
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My kid walks around, "don't you miss ice cream? " "don't you miss candy bars?" I really don't anymore, but it sucked hard for awhile. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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]hmmmm Salads are carbs, granted high complex carbs. It sounds as if you are more on an Adkins diet? Keto is the hell week (induction phase) of atkins that never ends. My kid walks around, "don't you miss ice cream? " "don't you miss candy bars?" I really don't anymore, but it sucked hard for awhile. Everyone has their kryptonite For me ti's chips and salsa. I can do fine at a mexican food place (fajitas, no rice no beans, no tortillas or something else) but that damn chips and salsa kills me My wife's is donuts. not cake, not cupcakes, not bread, but effing donuts. Everyone has their kryptonite. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 9:07:12 PM EDT
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Pizza... I miss pizza when dieting... Haven't had it for 26 days now...
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Posted: 4/1/2014 10:06:43 PM EDT
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I've been on a modified Adkins most of my life. I generally consume around 150g of protein/45g (give or take) of fat and roughly 30g of high complex carbs. Overall I consume around 1500 calories a day. For the last year I have been gaining weight and even though I exercise (considerably) I am losing muscle and gaining fat. I've been told things from I consume too much protein, too little calories or that I am not in Keto. I really do not care what it is, I just want to eat healthy, be able to run 12-15 miles a week and look and feel good. Perhaps you are exercizing too much? Not eating enough? Running = cortisol, muscle wasting. Sprinting = human growth hormone, muscles. This calculator will tell you if your carbs/protein/fat totals will put you in ketosis: link |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 10:10:35 PM EDT
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Pizza... I miss pizza when dieting... Haven't had it for 26 days now... Life without Pizza is not worth living IMHO. I'm dieting hard. Last month I had pizza twice and still lost 4 pounds! Two whole DiGiorno's Rising Crust Pepperoni Pizzas 
Intermittent fasting. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 10:22:14 PM EDT
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Lots of veggies. Plenty of water.
Keto Dieters, I think I just found my porn name though. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 10:35:11 PM EDT
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"Lots of veggies"?... Weak porn name... Should be something like "Meat stick" or "Steak slap"...
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Posted: 4/2/2014 6:26:35 AM EDT
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Is a keto "diet" the best choice?
There is no advantage to a keto diet and over time there can be issues. There are other ways of eating that provide better weight control. You may be better off with a moderate approach to carbohydrates. 40p 30c 30f or 40c 30f 30p. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html "But clearly in other situations, moderate carbohydrates diets (still containing sufficient protein mind you) may be superior. For people who can control their food intake, many simply feel better with more moderate carbohydrate intakes, their training (especially high intensity training such as weights) doesn’t suffer as much, and they don’t feel quite as lethargic. Again, these issues are discussed in detail in the Comparing the Diets series" Quote HistoryQuoted:
I really do not know how to make the Keto diet work. If I'm reading everything right I need to consume
How do I get that many calories with so little carbs and so high in fat? Eat a stick of butter? Please advise! |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 7:37:07 AM EDT
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Is a keto "diet" the best choice? "But clearly in other situations, moderate carbohydrates diets (still containing sufficient protein mind you) may be superior. For people who can control their food intake, many simply feel better with more moderate carbohydrate intakes, their training (especially high intensity training such as weights) doesn’t suffer as much, and they don’t feel quite as lethargic. Again, these issues are discussed in detail in the Comparing the Diets series" ding ding ding ding Ya, If I could do that, I wouldn't have gotten fat. I do agree though and even Taubes says it, the keto diet is for seriously obese people. It's not really for someone who wants to drop 10 pounds. More moderate diets (somewhat greater carb intake as Lyle alludes to above) work fine for those people. BTW, I don't feel lethargic, never have after the first month (the first month sucks). It's like this endless supply of constant energy. I don't bonk. That's been common experience among everyone I know who's on keto. |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 4:27:59 PM EDT
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ding ding ding ding Ya, If I could do that, I wouldn't have gotten fat. I do agree though and even Taubes says it, the keto diet is for seriously obese people. It's not really for someone who wants to drop 10 pounds. More moderate diets (somewhat greater carb intake as Lyle alludes to above) work fine for those people. BTW, I don't feel lethargic, never have after the first month (the first month sucks). It's like this endless supply of constant energy. I don't bonk. That's been common experience among everyone I know who's on keto. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is a keto "diet" the best choice? "But clearly in other situations, moderate carbohydrates diets (still containing sufficient protein mind you) may be superior. For people who can control their food intake, many simply feel better with more moderate carbohydrate intakes, their training (especially high intensity training such as weights) doesn’t suffer as much, and they don’t feel quite as lethargic. Again, these issues are discussed in detail in the Comparing the Diets series" ding ding ding ding Ya, If I could do that, I wouldn't have gotten fat. I do agree though and even Taubes says it, the keto diet is for seriously obese people. It's not really for someone who wants to drop 10 pounds. More moderate diets (somewhat greater carb intake as Lyle alludes to above) work fine for those people. BTW, I don't feel lethargic, never have after the first month (the first month sucks). It's like this endless supply of constant energy. I don't bonk. That's been common experience among everyone I know who's on keto. The lethargy thing is awesome. I hear all the time "I tried atkins but never had any energy". Then you didn't try Atkins. I don't need ketostix (though I use them). When I get into ketosis, I bounce off the fucking walls. |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 8:32:15 PM EDT
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The lethargy thing is awesome. I hear all the time "I tried atkins but never had any energy". Then you didn't try Atkins. I don't need ketostix (though I use them). When I get into ketosis, I bounce off the fucking walls. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is a keto "diet" the best choice? "But clearly in other situations, moderate carbohydrates diets (still containing sufficient protein mind you) may be superior. For people who can control their food intake, many simply feel better with more moderate carbohydrate intakes, their training (especially high intensity training such as weights) doesn’t suffer as much, and they don’t feel quite as lethargic. Again, these issues are discussed in detail in the Comparing the Diets series" ding ding ding ding Ya, If I could do that, I wouldn't have gotten fat. I do agree though and even Taubes says it, the keto diet is for seriously obese people. It's not really for someone who wants to drop 10 pounds. More moderate diets (somewhat greater carb intake as Lyle alludes to above) work fine for those people. BTW, I don't feel lethargic, never have after the first month (the first month sucks). It's like this endless supply of constant energy. I don't bonk. That's been common experience among everyone I know who's on keto. The lethargy thing is awesome. I hear all the time "I tried atkins but never had any energy". Then you didn't try Atkins. I don't need ketostix (though I use them). When I get into ketosis, I bounce off the fucking walls. i think it's not that they didn't try Atkins, but they didn't get thru the induction phase. It took a good month for me to feel great, but boy, once that hit, (and ever since) i've been an unstoppable force. Food, who needs food, my body makes energy? I do find the total lack of a bonk very satisfying and working out fasted I like a lot. But then you'll hang with people who aren't on low carb and it's like they have to eat "all the time". hmmmmmmmmm, maybe that's not really working for you if you are hungry again and I'm not. |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:03:29 PM EDT
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I modified my keto diet to include carbs on Sat/Sun. There were certain carby foods I didn't want to give up: yogurt, V8 drink, fruit, and pizza. I don't regulate Saturday (which is Pizza night, every other week), but Sunday I'm still only getting <80 carbs.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:16:36 PM EDT
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I modified my keto diet to include carbs on Sat/Sun. There were certain carby foods I didn't want to give up: yogurt, V8 drink, fruit, and pizza. I don't regulate Saturday (which is Pizza night, every other week), but Sunday I'm still only getting <80 carbs. You're wasting time and effort then. If you're average, you might be getting into ketosis Wednesday mid day. So you're dieting 2.5 days a week. Not enough to actually lose anything with ketosis. Other than a little water weight. Cheating is good for quickly breaking a plateau, and that's iffy. |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:24:22 PM EDT
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I modified my keto diet to include carbs on Sat/Sun. There were certain carby foods I didn't want to give up: yogurt, V8 drink, fruit, and pizza. I don't regulate Saturday (which is Pizza night, every other week), but Sunday I'm still only getting <80 carbs. Then you're not doing keto and you're probably setting yourself back more than not. high fat plus carbs is a bad combination (see Standard American Diet) and will probably lead to weight gain. There are less restrictive low carb diets than keto and there are some cyclical carb diets (but they dont' include shit carbs like pizza and solid sugar like fruit and V8 drink) but what you're doing isn't keto. Keto and cheating simply don't work well together. Either get mentally stronger or try another diet (none of which are going to include pizza). The 2nd month is always the hardest, because the weight loss slows down and you aren't used to missing your favorites. Suffer thru it and all of a sudden the cravings (well most of them) will go away. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 9:52:07 AM EDT
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Are fruit and V8 really that bad?
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:02:05 AM EDT
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Are fruit and V8 really that bad? Fruit is. I can drink one small can of V8 a day |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:29:04 AM EDT
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Are fruit and V8 really that bad? fruit, except for a few berries like raspberries and blackberries are solid sugar (fructose), i'm sure V-8 is all carbs |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 1:50:18 PM EDT
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With the fruit and V8 I was mostly concerned with getting more/varied nutrients. I don't eat veggies at all.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 2:30:34 PM EDT
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With the fruit and V8 I was mostly concerned with getting more/varied nutrients. I don't eat veggies at all. because? green leafy veggies are fine bury them in butter sauce or mayo or well anything fatty, makes it taste good |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:44:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fruit is. I can drink one small can of V8 a day Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are fruit and V8 really that bad? Fruit is. I can drink one small can of V8 a day The thing is a can of v8 has no more nutritional value than a bag of skittles, so you have to ask yourself why are you drinking it? You'd be way better off juicing yourself as by the time everything is pasteurized and canned there is no nutrition left and v8 is made up out of the less nutritional nutrients in the first place. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:49:51 PM EDT
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Because I like it. And it's a good break from coffee and water.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:52:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps you are exercizing too much? Not eating enough? Running = cortisol, muscle wasting. Sprinting = human growth hormone, muscles. This calculator will tell you if your carbs/protein/fat totals will put you in ketosis: link Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've been on a modified Adkins most of my life. I generally consume around 150g of protein/45g (give or take) of fat and roughly 30g of high complex carbs. Overall I consume around 1500 calories a day. For the last year I have been gaining weight and even though I exercise (considerably) I am losing muscle and gaining fat. I've been told things from I consume too much protein, too little calories or that I am not in Keto. I really do not care what it is, I just want to eat healthy, be able to run 12-15 miles a week and look and feel good. Perhaps you are exercizing too much? Not eating enough? Running = cortisol, muscle wasting. Sprinting = human growth hormone, muscles. This calculator will tell you if your carbs/protein/fat totals will put you in ketosis: link Well by using your calculator in order to lose 2lbs a week I need to consume 1,348 Calories / Day 76g protein 304 calories 17g carbs 68 calories 109g fat 981 calories Now a person such as myself who wants to eat real foods, how do I do this? I really can not imagine what I can eat to make this happen. 1 egg = 66 calories: 4 grams of fat .5g of carbs 5.8g of protein so do I eat 13 eggs and four cubes of butter? 2 cups of lard?  |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:45:26 PM EDT
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Have you been tracking your calories and macros before this? I have no problem getting all the calories, and am using only whole, "real foods", except for my protein shakes:
Chicken beast with a slice of pepper jack cheese 1 tblsp. Flax oil 36 almonds (I have that meal twice a day) pre workout protein shake Post protein shake with Green Vibrance 4 egg omelet the with 4 slices of cheese ~2300 calories, 17/177/180, IIRC |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:54:44 PM EDT
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Have you been tracking your calories and macros before this? I have no problem getting all the calories, and am using only whole, "real foods", except for my protein shakes: Chicken beast with a slice of pepper jack cheese 1 tblsp. Flax oil 36 almonds (I have that meal twice a day) pre workout protein shake Post protein shake with Green Vibrance 4 egg omelet the with 4 slices of cheese ~2300 calories, 17/177/180, IIRC Be careful with the protein of you really want to do keto. When I started on ON whey, 3gr carbs per serving, it shot my glucose up to over 300 and threw me out of ketosis. One thing to remember about keto diets, you need to get, and use ketostix. If the stick ain't pink, youre not losing. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 7:10:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you been tracking your calories and macros before this? I have no problem getting all the calories, and am using only whole, "real foods", except for my protein shakes: Chicken beast with a slice of pepper jack cheese 1 tblsp. Flax oil 36 almonds (I have that meal twice a day) pre workout protein shake Post protein shake with Green Vibrance 4 egg omelet the with 4 slices of cheese ~2300 calories, 17/177/180, IIRC |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 8:37:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Be careful with the protein of you really want to do keto. When I started on ON whey, 3gr carbs per serving, it shot my glucose up to over 300 and threw me out of ketosis. One thing to remember about keto diets, you need to get, and use ketostix. If the stick ain't pink, youre not losing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you been tracking your calories and macros before this? I have no problem getting all the calories, and am using only whole, "real foods", except for my protein shakes: Chicken beast with a slice of pepper jack cheese 1 tblsp. Flax oil 36 almonds (I have that meal twice a day) pre workout protein shake Post protein shake with Green Vibrance 4 egg omelet the with 4 slices of cheese ~2300 calories, 17/177/180, IIRC Be careful with the protein of you really want to do keto. When I started on ON whey, 3gr carbs per serving, it shot my glucose up to over 300 and threw me out of ketosis. One thing to remember about keto diets, you need to get, and use ketostix. If the stick ain't pink, youre not losing. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 11:32:04 PM EDT
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I'm hopping on the bandwagon. I've plateaued on low carb and need to keep dropping fat. Breakfast is going to be the biggest issue. I need easy food in the morning and I'm not big on eggs.
What kind of mimics grains but is still safe to eat? Like quinoa, nut flowers, flax, that sort of thing? And where should a 126 lb woman be aiming for carbs per day? |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 12:25:42 AM EDT
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I'm hopping on the bandwagon. I've plateaued on low carb and need to keep dropping fat. Breakfast is going to be the biggest issue. I need easy food in the morning and I'm not big on eggs. What kind of mimics grains but is still safe to eat? Like quinoa, nut flowers, flax, that sort of thing? And where should a 126 lb woman be aiming for carbs per day? Hi Snow! 
Just give up on the grains. It takes time, but I got through it and after a while you just forget about them. You don't need them at all, anyway. If you must though, Trader Joes has flax meal that functions somewhat like grain. Your carb level depends on how far you want to take it...if you want to get into ketosis, given your body weight, try for less than 20g. If you just want to low-carb it, the cut-off is sometimes given as 80g. If you want to try breaking through your plateau, you might want to try Intermittent Fasting. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 1:22:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm hopping on the bandwagon. I've plateaued on low carb and need to keep dropping fat. Breakfast is going to be the biggest issue. I need easy food in the morning and I'm not big on eggs. What kind of mimics grains but is still safe to eat? Like quinoa, nut flowers, flax, that sort of thing? And where should a 126 lb woman be aiming for carbs per day? This calculator will tell you if your carbs/protein/fat totals will put you in ketosis: link When I went low carb (when I was 19, I was sick on insulin, under weight and playing college ball) I thought it would be impossible for me to give up cereal in the morning. Today I really do not know how I survived on cereal. It never sustained me (Granted I ran hard for 3 hours every morning.) When I run in the morning I drink a whey shake. Read the labels as some are pretty high in carbs (the better tasting ones.) Shakeology is probably the best tasting protein shake but seriously one shake has nearly all my daily carb allowance. So I usually go for two scoops of Vanilla Body Fortress (has the highest protein/lowest carb ratio over the counter) pour in a couple of tablespoons of olive oil and a couple of tablespoons of half and half and this will sustain me for an hour run. Then I eat breakfast. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 7:31:40 AM EDT
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Hi Snow!
Just give up on the grains. It takes time, but I got through it and after a while you just forget about them. You don't need them at all, anyway. If you must though, Trader Joes has flax meal that functions somewhat like grain. Your carb level depends on how far you want to take it...if you want to get into ketosis, given your body weight, try for less than 20g. If you just want to low-carb it, the cut-off is sometimes given as 80g. If you want to try breaking through your plateau, you might want to try Intermittent Fasting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm hopping on the bandwagon. I've plateaued on low carb and need to keep dropping fat. Breakfast is going to be the biggest issue. I need easy food in the morning and I'm not big on eggs. What kind of mimics grains but is still safe to eat? Like quinoa, nut flowers, flax, that sort of thing? And where should a 126 lb woman be aiming for carbs per day? Hi Snow!
Just give up on the grains. It takes time, but I got through it and after a while you just forget about them. You don't need them at all, anyway. If you must though, Trader Joes has flax meal that functions somewhat like grain. Your carb level depends on how far you want to take it...if you want to get into ketosis, given your body weight, try for less than 20g. If you just want to low-carb it, the cut-off is sometimes given as 80g. If you want to try breaking through your plateau, you might want to try Intermittent Fasting. Thanks. I've given up on it. And I'm avoiding nuts for the most part. My new problem is that the fat isn't agreeing with me, I think. I feel all greasy inside and I'm nauseated. Before, I would have eaten a nice wheat English muffin or had a coke to settle my stomach, but now, I'm not sure what to do. Lemon juice? Coffee? I was cutting coffee out before this, but I may have to change that to just cutting it down. As far as intermittent fasting goes, I'll read up on it. I like to eat frequently or I feel like crap and can't function. I've though about putting a fridge next to my bed so I can eat breakfast as soon as I wake up. Sometimes a steak will carry me overnight , but meat isn't going as far for me since I started this thing. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 7:45:19 AM EDT
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This calculator will tell you if your carbs/protein/fat totals will put you in ketosis: link When I went low carb (when I was 19, I was sick on insulin, under weight and playing college ball) I thought it would be impossible for me to give up cereal in the morning. Today I really do not know how I survived on cereal. It never sustained me (Granted I ran hard for 3 hours every morning.) When I run in the morning I drink a whey shake. Read the labels as some are pretty high in carbs (the better tasting ones.) Shakeology is probably the best tasting protein shake but seriously one shake has nearly all my daily carb allowance. So I usually go for two scoops of Vanilla Body Fortress (has the highest protein/lowest carb ratio over the counter) pour in a couple of tablespoons of olive oil and a couple of tablespoons of half and half and this will sustain me for an hour run. Then I eat breakfast. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm hopping on the bandwagon. I've plateaued on low carb and need to keep dropping fat. Breakfast is going to be the biggest issue. I need easy food in the morning and I'm not big on eggs. What kind of mimics grains but is still safe to eat? Like quinoa, nut flowers, flax, that sort of thing? And where should a 126 lb woman be aiming for carbs per day? This calculator will tell you if your carbs/protein/fat totals will put you in ketosis: link When I went low carb (when I was 19, I was sick on insulin, under weight and playing college ball) I thought it would be impossible for me to give up cereal in the morning. Today I really do not know how I survived on cereal. It never sustained me (Granted I ran hard for 3 hours every morning.) When I run in the morning I drink a whey shake. Read the labels as some are pretty high in carbs (the better tasting ones.) Shakeology is probably the best tasting protein shake but seriously one shake has nearly all my daily carb allowance. So I usually go for two scoops of Vanilla Body Fortress (has the highest protein/lowest carb ratio over the counter) pour in a couple of tablespoons of olive oil and a couple of tablespoons of half and half and this will sustain me for an hour run. Then I eat breakfast. Thanks. That calculator was a bit different from my calculations by hand for caloric needs, but when I entered what I had originally calculated for a dieting need (1200 vs their 1000) I got the same numbers for grams of protein and fats. I've never felt ok after a shake, I don't know if I could treat one as a meal. And according to the calculator, I only have a 15 g carb allowance. Yesterday, I pooped out in aerial silks class prematurely due to putting off breakfast for a couple hours to make it to yoga on time. I have acceptable food in the fridge now, but I'm worried about either not getting enough to sustain me (I'm not getting hungry so much as feeling crappy and knowing I need to eat) or getting too much and throwing myself out of ketosis. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 11:18:14 AM EDT
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Have you been eating low-carb for a while, Snow, or are you new to this? Usually when you are fat-adapted you really don't get hungry.
Women sometimes do have problems with Intermittent Fasting (according to Martin Berkan/Leangains). But hunger is triggered by the hormone ghrelin, which is released when you are about due for your regular mealtime, not because you need to eat. Once your meal pattern has been set for a while, ghrelin release will change with it. What sort of fats are you eating, that are making you queasy? And why no nuts. I eat metric tons of almonds with no problems. Lots of fat and some protein there. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 11:32:14 AM EDT
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I really do not believe the calorie/carb content in the above link is realistic but it was what was given to me here to share. The thing is that your body will still learn to burn fat over carbs even if you are not in ketos. Mind you, being in ketos you will lose the most weight quickly but 17g of fat isn't a lot.
An egg is 6g of protein, 5g of fat and .6 carbs. You said you didn't care for eggs (you might reconsider and say put some salsa on them or experiment for taste) but if your daily goal is >17g of carbs your options are pretty slim after all I suppose you could eat a pound of ground beef a day, that would be simple enough! Dan could you share what your calorie/fat/protein/carb allowance is and what you eat? *ETA* Also do not dismiss the low carb flu, some of your symptoms sound like the low carb flu. I started this on Monday so I am day 7 and I'm still struggling with the low carb flu and I was only consuming about 85g of carbs a day prior to starting. I'm think this go around the fatigue is what has kicked my butt the most though I have had quite an upset stomach. I'm hoping my energy level soars soon. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 11:42:24 AM EDT
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I really do not believe the calorie/carb content in the above link is realistic but it was what was given to me here to share. The thing is that your body will still learn to burn fat over carbs even if you are not in ketos. Mind you, being in ketos you will lose the most weight quickly but 17g of fat isn't a lot. An egg is 6g of protein, 5g of fat and .6 carbs. You said you didn't care for eggs (you might reconsider and say put some salsa on them or experiment for taste) but if your daily goal is >17g of carbs your options are pretty slim after all I suppose you could eat a pound of ground beef a day, that would be simple enough! Dan could you share what your calorie/fat/protein/carb allowance is and what you eat? *ETA* Also do not dismiss the low carb flu, some of your symptoms sound like the low carb flu. I started this on Monday so I am day 7 and I'm still struggling with the low carb flu and I was only consuming about 85g of carbs a day prior to starting. I'm think this go around the fatigue is what has kicked my butt the most though I have had quite an upset stomach. I'm hoping my energy level soars soon. I don't look at calories, fat or protein. Just carbs. (keep in mind I'm also diabetic, so that's my main purpose in doing this, weight loss is secondary and nice). My typical diet hasn't changed since the OP here. I guess I'm a freak or something, but I'm typically in Ketosis within 24 hours and feeling extremely energetic, and it only builds from there. But on that 1st day, I shoot for 5 carbs max. But this coming week, I'm pretty much limiting myself to lettuce and chicken breast, with a little romano, onion and some low carb ceasar dressing. I'll be at about 8 carbs a day for the entire week. My glucose is perfect, but my weight loss has stopped, so I cheated a bit last night and I'm resetting everything today. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 11:48:34 AM EDT
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*ETA* Also do not dismiss the low carb flu, some of your symptoms sound like the low carb flu. I started this on Monday so I am day 7 and I'm still struggling with the low carb flu and I was only consuming about 85g of carbs a day prior to starting. I'm think this go around the fatigue is what has kicked my butt the most though I have had quite an upset stomach. I'm hoping my energy level soars soon. does anyone actually ever read what i wrote? DRINK THE BROTH!!!!!!!!!!! You'll feel better within 20 minutes. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:37:20 PM EDT
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Have you been eating low-carb for a while, Snow, or are you new to this? Usually when you are fat-adapted you really don't get hungry. Women sometimes do have problems with Intermittent Fasting (according to Martin Berkan/Leangains). But hunger is triggered by the hormone ghrelin, which is released when you are about due for your regular mealtime, not because you need to eat. Once your meal pattern has been set for a while, ghrelin release will change with it. What sort of fats are you eating, that are making you queasy? And why no nuts. I eat metric tons of almonds with no problems. Lots of fat and some protein there. 2 months ago, I started on low carb/high protein and moderate exercise, lost 4 % of my weight and came down to 30% bodyfat. About 1 month ago, I increased the exercise and tightened up the diet. One or two weeks ago I felt like I had the flu for a few days. Exhausted and achy. This past week I really increased the exercise and I felt amazing until Friday when I started Keto. I have self diagnosed blood sugar issues and I'm probably going to start testing for them. I haven't been hungry since Friday. I've been eating because I think I should and because I know it will help with the lightheadedness and headaches. I need to get more food in me or my workouts are going to keep sucking and if I crash too hard, I'm not safe to drive. This whole not being hungry thing is typical for me when I'm starving, and I'm very wary of it. Friday night I had mussels in a butter sauce. Didn't feel good after. Felt worse in the morning. Skipped breakfast, went to yoga, then had a couple eggs, spinach, olives, roast beef, bacon, and avocado which failed to bring me out of my hypoglycemic haze in time for Aerial Silks. Felt weak in class. I sucked. Went home, had almonds and a packet of tuna. Went to the gym, came home, fixed salmon sashimi on spinach. This morning, I was nauseated, skipped breakfast, lunch is couple eggs over easy over spring mix and Muenster cheese with bacon on top. I'm avoiding nuts because of the carb content. By that calculator, I should be at 15g or so a day. ETA because I'm a visual person: 
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Posted: 4/6/2014 1:43:03 PM EDT
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I really do not believe the calorie/carb content in the above link is realistic but it was what was given to me here to share. The thing is that your body will still learn to burn fat over carbs even if you are not in ketos. Mind you, being in ketos you will lose the most weight quickly but 17g of fat isn't a lot. An egg is 6g of protein, 5g of fat and .6 carbs. You said you didn't care for eggs (you might reconsider and say put some salsa on them or experiment for taste) but if your daily goal is >17g of carbs your options are pretty slim after all I suppose you could eat a pound of ground beef a day, that would be simple enough! Dan could you share what your calorie/fat/protein/carb allowance is and what you eat? *ETA* Also do not dismiss the low carb flu, some of your symptoms sound like the low carb flu. I started this on Monday so I am day 7 and I'm still struggling with the low carb flu and I was only consuming about 85g of carbs a day prior to starting. I'm think this go around the fatigue is what has kicked my butt the most though I have had quite an upset stomach. I'm hoping my energy level soars soon. That link is right around my calculations based on other internet sources and the guy who did my assessment at my gym. I'll eat eggs, I just get sick of them fast. I can eat salad and meat for breakfast too, but pre packaged lunchmeat has so much crap in it and real meals take so long to put together. I think I'm just hypoglycemic, at this point. I hope your stomach settles and you get your energy boost. Thanks for your help. 
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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:41:20 PM EDT
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I am considering buying a bag of the gummi bears as a"fuck you" to place in a public place of people I hate. Mayo: make your own it's cool. Most store bought use soy oil and edta. Both should be no no items in anyone's diet. I am far from a dietary Nazi... but these are things (there aren't many) I follow for actual health reasons... EDTA the chelating agent? Is your issue with soy based on your gender and soy's effect on T or is there another reason to avoid it? I'm avoiding soy milk, but are other forms of soy bad too? Aside from T issues? |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:48:39 PM EDT
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does anyone actually ever read what i wrote? DRINK THE BROTH!!!!!!!!!!! You'll feel better within 20 minutes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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*ETA* Also do not dismiss the low carb flu, some of your symptoms sound like the low carb flu. I started this on Monday so I am day 7 and I'm still struggling with the low carb flu and I was only consuming about 85g of carbs a day prior to starting. I'm think this go around the fatigue is what has kicked my butt the most though I have had quite an upset stomach. I'm hoping my energy level soars soon. does anyone actually ever read what i wrote? DRINK THE BROTH!!!!!!!!!!! You'll feel better within 20 minutes. I went through the thread twice, and I couldn't find it. I'm so ready to puke right now. 
eta: Salt! Aha! It feels like low blood pressure, I'm not just nauseated, I feel like I'm getting choked out. So I just consumed salt and I'll see what happens. 
Was that your broth thing too? Salt? I just googled "keto nausea" and found out about salt deficiency related low BP and gut disbiosis. I don't think I've got the disbiosis, but I feel exactly like when I give blood. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 6:05:16 PM EDT
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I went through the thread twice, and I couldn't find it. I'm so ready to puke right now.
eta: Salt! Aha! It feels like low blood pressure, I'm not just nauseated, I feel like I'm getting choked out. So I just consumed salt and I'll see what happens.
Was that your broth thing too? Salt? I just googled "keto nausea" and found out about salt deficiency related low BP and gut disbiosis. I don't think I've got the disbiosis, but I feel exactly like when I give blood. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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*ETA* Also do not dismiss the low carb flu, some of your symptoms sound like the low carb flu. I started this on Monday so I am day 7 and I'm still struggling with the low carb flu and I was only consuming about 85g of carbs a day prior to starting. I'm think this go around the fatigue is what has kicked my butt the most though I have had quite an upset stomach. I'm hoping my energy level soars soon. does anyone actually ever read what i wrote? DRINK THE BROTH!!!!!!!!!!! You'll feel better within 20 minutes. I went through the thread twice, and I couldn't find it. I'm so ready to puke right now.
eta: Salt! Aha! It feels like low blood pressure, I'm not just nauseated, I feel like I'm getting choked out. So I just consumed salt and I'll see what happens.
Was that your broth thing too? Salt? I just googled "keto nausea" and found out about salt deficiency related low BP and gut disbiosis. I don't think I've got the disbiosis, but I feel exactly like when I give blood. I swear it's in here anyway, take a cube of bouillon (chicken or veggie tastes the best), put it in a coffee mug with water, nuke it to hot, stir stir, drink You will feel instantly within 20 minutes. Your salt gets out of balance initially from all the peeing and this blasts it back into balance. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 6:08:19 PM EDT
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2 months ago, I started on low carb/high protein and moderate exercise, lost 4 % of my weight and came down to 30% bodyfat. About 1 month ago, I increased the exercise and tightened up the diet. One or two weeks ago I felt like I had the flu for a few days. Exhausted and achy. This past week I really increased the exercise and I felt amazing until Friday when I started Keto. I have self diagnosed blood sugar issues and I'm probably going to start testing for them. I haven't been hungry since Friday. I've been eating because I think I should and because I know it will help with the lightheadedness and headaches. I need to get more food in me or my workouts are going to keep sucking and if I crash too hard, I'm not safe to drive. This whole not being hungry thing is typical for me when I'm starving, and I'm very wary of it. Friday night I had mussels in a butter sauce. Didn't feel good after. Felt worse in the morning. Skipped breakfast, went to yoga, then had a couple eggs, spinach, olives, roast beef, bacon, and avocado which failed to bring me out of my hypoglycemic haze in time for Aerial Silks. Felt weak in class. I sucked. Went home, had almonds and a packet of tuna. Went to the gym, came home, fixed salmon sashimi on spinach. This morning, I was nauseated, skipped breakfast, lunch is couple eggs over easy over spring mix and Muenster cheese with bacon on top. I'm avoiding nuts because of the carb content. By that calculator, I should be at 15g or so a day. ] Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you been eating low-carb for a while, Snow, or are you new to this? Usually when you are fat-adapted you really don't get hungry. Women sometimes do have problems with Intermittent Fasting (according to Martin Berkan/Leangains). But hunger is triggered by the hormone ghrelin, which is released when you are about due for your regular mealtime, not because you need to eat. Once your meal pattern has been set for a while, ghrelin release will change with it. What sort of fats are you eating, that are making you queasy? And why no nuts. I eat metric tons of almonds with no problems. Lots of fat and some protein there. 2 months ago, I started on low carb/high protein and moderate exercise, lost 4 % of my weight and came down to 30% bodyfat. About 1 month ago, I increased the exercise and tightened up the diet. One or two weeks ago I felt like I had the flu for a few days. Exhausted and achy. This past week I really increased the exercise and I felt amazing until Friday when I started Keto. I have self diagnosed blood sugar issues and I'm probably going to start testing for them. I haven't been hungry since Friday. I've been eating because I think I should and because I know it will help with the lightheadedness and headaches. I need to get more food in me or my workouts are going to keep sucking and if I crash too hard, I'm not safe to drive. This whole not being hungry thing is typical for me when I'm starving, and I'm very wary of it. Friday night I had mussels in a butter sauce. Didn't feel good after. Felt worse in the morning. Skipped breakfast, went to yoga, then had a couple eggs, spinach, olives, roast beef, bacon, and avocado which failed to bring me out of my hypoglycemic haze in time for Aerial Silks. Felt weak in class. I sucked. Went home, had almonds and a packet of tuna. Went to the gym, came home, fixed salmon sashimi on spinach. This morning, I was nauseated, skipped breakfast, lunch is couple eggs over easy over spring mix and Muenster cheese with bacon on top. I'm avoiding nuts because of the carb content. By that calculator, I should be at 15g or so a day. ] Ok, I don't know what you're doing, but it's not Keto. Keto: HIGH FAT, medium protein, ultra low carbs. Your meals you list are all protein (actually your last lunch isn't bad). HIGH FAT meat, cheese, green leafy veggies. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 7:35:43 PM EDT
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Ok, I don't know what you're doing, but it's not Keto. Keto: HIGH FAT, medium protein, ultra low carbs. Your meals you list are all protein (actually your last lunch isn't bad). HIGH FAT meat, cheese, green leafy veggies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you been eating low-carb for a while, Snow, or are you new to this? Usually when you are fat-adapted you really don't get hungry. Women sometimes do have problems with Intermittent Fasting (according to Martin Berkan/Leangains). But hunger is triggered by the hormone ghrelin, which is released when you are about due for your regular mealtime, not because you need to eat. Once your meal pattern has been set for a while, ghrelin release will change with it. What sort of fats are you eating, that are making you queasy? And why no nuts. I eat metric tons of almonds with no problems. Lots of fat and some protein there. 2 months ago, I started on low carb/high protein and moderate exercise, lost 4 % of my weight and came down to 30% bodyfat. About 1 month ago, I increased the exercise and tightened up the diet. One or two weeks ago I felt like I had the flu for a few days. Exhausted and achy. This past week I really increased the exercise and I felt amazing until Friday when I started Keto. I have self diagnosed blood sugar issues and I'm probably going to start testing for them. I haven't been hungry since Friday. I've been eating because I think I should and because I know it will help with the lightheadedness and headaches. I need to get more food in me or my workouts are going to keep sucking and if I crash too hard, I'm not safe to drive. This whole not being hungry thing is typical for me when I'm starving, and I'm very wary of it. Friday night I had mussels in a butter sauce. Didn't feel good after. Felt worse in the morning. Skipped breakfast, went to yoga, then had a couple eggs, spinach, olives, roast beef, bacon, and avocado which failed to bring me out of my hypoglycemic haze in time for Aerial Silks. Felt weak in class. I sucked. Went home, had almonds and a packet of tuna. Went to the gym, came home, fixed salmon sashimi on spinach. This morning, I was nauseated, skipped breakfast, lunch is couple eggs over easy over spring mix and Muenster cheese with bacon on top. I'm avoiding nuts because of the carb content. By that calculator, I should be at 15g or so a day. ] Ok, I don't know what you're doing, but it's not Keto. Keto: HIGH FAT, medium protein, ultra low carbs. Your meals you list are all protein (actually your last lunch isn't bad). HIGH FAT meat, cheese, green leafy veggies. Yeah, I've been realizing that as I read up on it. I upped my fat intake. My snack was meatless and involved biting into a stick of butter. I'm going to have to supplement the fat somehow (chug EVOO?) and moderate my intake of my beloved meats. The sashimi last night seemed like a really small amount, and the bacon was just what was on the eggs, the extra went into the fridge. And low bp which is responding to the salt would suggest that I did acheive ketosis. But you're absolutely right and I need to watch it more closely. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 7:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't look at calories, fat or protein. Just carbs. (keep in mind I'm also diabetic, so that's my main purpose in doing this, weight loss is secondary and nice). My typical diet hasn't changed since the OP here. I guess I'm a freak or something, but I'm typically in Ketosis within 24 hours and feeling extremely energetic, and it only builds from there. But on that 1st day, I shoot for 5 carbs max. But this coming week, I'm pretty much limiting myself to lettuce and chicken breast, with a little romano, onion and some low carb ceasar dressing. I'll be at about 8 carbs a day for the entire week. My glucose is perfect, but my weight loss has stopped, so I cheated a bit last night and I'm resetting everything today. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I really do not believe the calorie/carb content in the above link is realistic but it was what was given to me here to share. The thing is that your body will still learn to burn fat over carbs even if you are not in ketos. Mind you, being in ketos you will lose the most weight quickly but 17g of fat isn't a lot. An egg is 6g of protein, 5g of fat and .6 carbs. You said you didn't care for eggs (you might reconsider and say put some salsa on them or experiment for taste) but if your daily goal is >17g of carbs your options are pretty slim after all I suppose you could eat a pound of ground beef a day, that would be simple enough! Dan could you share what your calorie/fat/protein/carb allowance is and what you eat? *ETA* Also do not dismiss the low carb flu, some of your symptoms sound like the low carb flu. I started this on Monday so I am day 7 and I'm still struggling with the low carb flu and I was only consuming about 85g of carbs a day prior to starting. I'm think this go around the fatigue is what has kicked my butt the most though I have had quite an upset stomach. I'm hoping my energy level soars soon. I don't look at calories, fat or protein. Just carbs. (keep in mind I'm also diabetic, so that's my main purpose in doing this, weight loss is secondary and nice). My typical diet hasn't changed since the OP here. I guess I'm a freak or something, but I'm typically in Ketosis within 24 hours and feeling extremely energetic, and it only builds from there. But on that 1st day, I shoot for 5 carbs max. But this coming week, I'm pretty much limiting myself to lettuce and chicken breast, with a little romano, onion and some low carb ceasar dressing. I'll be at about 8 carbs a day for the entire week. My glucose is perfect, but my weight loss has stopped, so I cheated a bit last night and I'm resetting everything today. only eggs? only ground beef? |
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