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10/29/2013 1:06:13 PM EDT
This should make that recoil go away completely!

10/29/2013 4:25:01 PM EDT
[#1]
How much lighter is it?
10/29/2013 4:29:30 PM EDT
[#2]
I really don't know much about this thing. I found it on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/BOOMFAB

3.8oz, stripped

Constructed of an exclusive grade of high strength titanium.

Proprietary heat treating and surface hardening processes result in an extremely durable carrier with a long service life.
10/30/2013 10:51:49 PM EDT
[#3]
Ummm do we even want to know the price tag or is it better just to think it is bad ass....
10/31/2013 7:31:25 AM EDT
[#4]
Pricing isn't available.  It still needs to go thru field testing.
11/10/2013 3:06:55 PM EDT
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Remember the saying, "if you have to ask, you can't afford it".
11/12/2013 5:30:42 PM EDT
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Remember the saying, "if you have to ask, you can't afford it".


Nope. I am a millionaire  that likes to watch my pocket change.
11/12/2013 6:40:55 PM EDT
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I was lucky enough to get a prototype for testing. I won't say what it cost me because this is a public forum. [img=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_shock.gif]

I am told my postal scale is about 0.1-0.2 ounches heavy by the manufacturer of the Boomfab unit. So they may actually weigh slightly less than you see here.

Boomfab Titanium Carrier


JP Enterprises Low Mass Carrier


Young Manufacturing Low Mass Carrier


JP Enterprises Aluminum Carrier
11/12/2013 8:45:08 PM EDT
[#8]
So how does it shoot? Intresting that it is within  just over a oz. How does the aluminum compare?
11/13/2013 4:01:51 PM EDT
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I have never shot the aluminum carrier.  I bought it used and didn't know much about it or it short comings.  So I never used it because I didn't want to ruin it.  The Ti carrier shoots fine.  I just put it in my setup that I was running the JP carrier in.  So I need to experiment with turning down the gas some more after reducing the carrier weight.  I ordered a few new adjustable gas blocks.  I plan to build 2-3 identical uppers and run them head-to-head for a real good comparison.
11/13/2013 4:53:58 PM EDT
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Jesse, do you have a Rubber City light carrier to weigh?


11/13/2013 5:18:45 PM EDT
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I'm still checking the mail everyday for the one Chris was going to send me.
11/14/2013 9:34:44 AM EDT
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RCA's website shows it's "just over 7 oz".

I figured it was a little heavier than the JP.
11/23/2013 3:18:42 PM EDT
[#13]
any updates?
11/23/2013 5:37:26 PM EDT
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I have shot 650 rounds through mine with good results.  I managed to finish 3rd at the US Carbine Association Nationals using it.  I simply took the JP low mass BCG out of my Stag 3G and dropped this in.  I notice a difference in sight movement and am killing it shooting off hand plate racks at 50 yards.  I was racking my brain trying to come up with a way to measure the difference.  Then Keith Garcia sent me these photos and this drill.  I have yet to try it but Keith's results are impressive to say the least.

3GN Pro Series target at 50 yards
Mag loaded with 10 rounds so weight doesn't come into play
Starting on center of target with Swarovski Z6i at 2.5X
Double tap target as fast as possible
Using timer to keep track of splits
Splits between .15-.17

10 Rounds w/JP Low Mass Carrier


10 Rounds w/Boomfab Ultra Low Mass Carrier
11/23/2013 8:53:50 PM EDT
[#15]
I'm a fan of the results. Not sure I could justify buying it considering I only just upgraded to the JP LMOS three weeks ago.

I love this sport but my wallet hates it.
11/24/2013 11:51:09 AM EDT
[#16]
Off topic here.....but where can I buy those targets?????  I have looked everywhere without any luck......
11/24/2013 1:01:00 PM EDT
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Birchwood Casey makes them.  I bought a couple packs but they didn't come with the black and red Pasters.

3 Gun Nation Pro Series Targets
11/24/2013 11:03:21 PM EDT
[#18]
Thanks Jesse.....ordered!!
11/25/2013 1:40:08 PM EDT
[#19]
I'm hoping surely Rustin is going to get his samples back from you, Chris, and Keith before Vegas.

Make you guys go back to the JP....



11/25/2013 1:42:03 PM EDT
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No way I'm giving mine back.  I am building up my brand new Stag 3G around this.  New adjustable gas block tuned just right.  New stock, barrel etc.
11/26/2013 12:20:41 AM EDT
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What bolt are you using?
11/26/2013 7:12:37 AM EDT
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The one that came in it.
1/9/2014 10:04:59 AM EDT
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1/9/2014 10:25:58 AM EDT
[#24]
A lighter BC makes recoil go away?

Not sure I would buy anything from a gun manufacturer with no understanding of physics of the operation of guns.
1/9/2014 11:09:08 AM EDT
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Nothing makes recoil go away.  Lower reciprocating mass makes the gun move less during recoil.  One might say perceived recoil is reduced.    
1/9/2014 12:22:37 PM EDT
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I have shot 650 rounds through mine with good results.  I managed to finish 3rd at the US Carbine Association Nationals using it.  I simply took the JP low mass BCG out of my Stag 3G and dropped this in.  I notice a difference in sight movement and am killing it shooting off hand plate racks at 50 yards.  I was racking my brain trying to come up with a way to measure the difference.  Then Keith Garcia sent me these photos and this drill.  I have yet to try it but Keith's results are impressive to say the least.





3GN Pro Series target at 50 yards


Mag loaded with 10 rounds so weight doesn't come into play


Starting on center of target with Swarovski Z6i at 2.5X


Double tap target as fast as possible


Using timer to keep track of splits


Splits between .15-.17





10 Rounds w/JP Low Mass Carrier


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/8AB090EE-3735-43BC-BED4-A5771E6AB73E_zpssyelve0h.jpg





10 Rounds w/Boomfab Ultra Low Mass Carrier


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/1CD5CEB5-7866-41A9-9E09-43732F8EEF8D_zpsxlhbxhx4.jpg


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I have shot 650 rounds through mine with good results.  I managed to finish 3rd at the US Carbine Association Nationals using it.  I simply took the JP low mass BCG out of my Stag 3G and dropped this in.  I notice a difference in sight movement and am killing it shooting off hand plate racks at 50 yards.  I was racking my brain trying to come up with a way to measure the difference.  Then Keith Garcia sent me these photos and this drill.  I have yet to try it but Keith's results are impressive to say the least.





3GN Pro Series target at 50 yards


Mag loaded with 10 rounds so weight doesn't come into play


Starting on center of target with Swarovski Z6i at 2.5X


Double tap target as fast as possible


Using timer to keep track of splits


Splits between .15-.17





10 Rounds w/JP Low Mass Carrier


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/8AB090EE-3735-43BC-BED4-A5771E6AB73E_zpssyelve0h.jpg





10 Rounds w/Boomfab Ultra Low Mass Carrier


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/1CD5CEB5-7866-41A9-9E09-43732F8EEF8D_zpsxlhbxhx4.jpg


Jesse, is the group tighter with the Boomfab?  The 2nd pic is gone.





 
2/1/2014 5:00:46 PM EDT
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This is a VERY interesting thread. I have committed ALL my builds to be ultra light weight competition AR-15's with the least amount of recoil as possible for the fastest follow up shots.

I have been largely successful but am still tuning my two prototypes.

One is a piston AR carbine with a 14.5"  barrel, a modified ( to work in an AA piston set up)JP SS light weight melonited shiny black carrier and enhanced JP bolt.

I have ZERO muzzle rise and some recoil with a  Spike DYNACOMP. Very nice AR-15! Weight with a GOOD red dot and no mag, Samson 12" rail is 6.1 lbs

The OTHER one is of even more interest because of its uniqueness.

It carries a 18inch 31 ounce fluted SS (crucible SS) with a PRI MSTN QC brake, carbon fiber or carbon polymer  "everything else". Not really. The BOLT is a old but NIB SMITH ENTERPRISES 3.5 ounce alloy carrier that I need to get Nib or Nib-X coated to reduce wear on the underside. But right now it works PERFECTLY. I have a POF gas key with a POF roller cam. I use POF roller cams on everything. I digress.
The main reason for posting is about the MUCH cheaper BCG choice I made. I cant help but  to give info on  what is supporting my light weight BCG's.

Oh, the weight of my 18 inch 3 gun is 5.9 lbs WITH a Weaver 1-3 scope with a "cat tail" What a SCOPE! Perfect and so light.

The 3.5 ounce carrier is still being tuned. I am trying the JP captured spring entity as well as various buffers and buffer springs. Getting a FLAT shooter is child's play. Getting recoil where I want it is harder to do. I will be victorious eventually..

The only titanium I have is in the form of coatings. Both my firing pins are SS with a gold colored titanium Nitride finish. I love the look of TiN and plan on coating most of my 'appointments" on the 3G for the sake of cosmetics AND function. I found an place that will do POLISHED TiN coating for very reasonable prices.

But inspite of both guns not being cosmetically finished yet(are they ever?), both  are 100% functional and shooting with 100% reliability. They are incredibly accurate, blazingly fast, comfortably light. I still have a ways to go for tuning still. I Do NOT want to plonck a giant, heavy brake on the end like a Titan. They act like a PENDULUM and defeat the light weight concept. So the tuning continues to get both the guns in the .22 caliber range of recoil. I am not there yet... I will be, WITH the light weight brakes i have on the barrels now.

EDIT: Where do you find the Smith carriers? On forums. You can place WTB or do a google searches. I got lucky right off the bat. Dont pay more than 100usd for one. You will still HAVE to get it coated. Once coated it will have a VERY good life.MAke sure all final machining is done BFORE coating. My bore where the gas rings go needed to be enlarged first. It was too tight. Yours may be just fine. Everything eslse was perfect with my carrier. I love mine. I talked to the owner and got some inside info which I can share if anyone wants me to do so.
2/1/2014 7:46:13 PM EDT
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I have shot 650 rounds through mine with good results.  I managed to finish 3rd at the US Carbine Association Nationals using it.  I simply took the JP low mass BCG out of my Stag 3G and dropped this in.  I notice a difference in sight movement and am killing it shooting off hand plate racks at 50 yards.  I was racking my brain trying to come up with a way to measure the difference.  Then Keith Garcia sent me these photos and this drill.  I have yet to try it but Keith's results are impressive to say the least.

3GN Pro Series target at 50 yards
Mag loaded with 10 rounds so weight doesn't come into play
Starting on center of target with Swarovski Z6i at 2.5X
Double tap target as fast as possible
Using timer to keep track of splits
Splits between .15-.17

10 Rounds w/JP Low Mass Carrier
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/8AB090EE-3735-43BC-BED4-A5771E6AB73E_zpssyelve0h.jpg

10 Rounds w/Boomfab Ultra Low Mass Carrier
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/1CD5CEB5-7866-41A9-9E09-43732F8EEF8D_zpsxlhbxhx4.jpg
Jesse, is the group tighter with the Boomfab?  The 2nd pic is gone.
 



I want to answer this question in general for any light weight carrier and what one can expect.

The goal in a good competition Ar-15 is to own a gun that shoots the smallest groups in the least amount of time. Its not so much what the recoil  "FEELS like at your shoulder", but rather what the target looks like after a short elapsed time.

That is what you tune for with a low mass system. Anyone can slap a giant heavy muzzle brake on the end of your barrel and mitigate muzzle rise and recoil and help maximize your grouping X time scores.
The problem lies in the weight of the brake acting like a big pendulum and ruining  transition  from target to target. The LESS weight on the end of your muzzle, the better.

Running a rifle length gas system is ideal, but both of mine are mid length gas port locations. I have a Keis(LOVE it) infinitely adjustable gas block on my DI gun and an adjustable gas block for my AA piston set up on my 14.5 inch barrel. I cant make very fine adjustments on the piston gun, obviously..

Now this is my opinion. Is is correct: I run a reasonably light but pretty darn effective brake. I then tune this set up for maximum efficiency...ie the closest groupings in the least amount of time. Its a tricky process I am finding....getting the right combo of buffer weight, spring size,, and gas setting on you adjustable gas block.. And IS there an ideal bolt carrier weight?? That is my question.

Also: Buffer weights?  I use the whole assembly of the JP captured spring mechanism(CSM)  when paired with my JP lighr carrier. But I remove the Circlps and SS weight barrels from it when paired with my 3.5 ounce Smith carrier.

Same deal for the conventional buffers. I use the standard carbine buffer for the JP light carrier and I remove all the internal weights for pairing the buffer with the Smith carrrier. I am still experimenting with buffer weight and spring tension.
I am open to suggestions for best focus to take here.


2/1/2014 9:52:20 PM EDT
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I have shot 650 rounds through mine with good results.  I managed to finish 3rd at the US Carbine Association Nationals using it.  I simply took the JP low mass BCG out of my Stag 3G and dropped this in.  I notice a difference in sight movement and am killing it shooting off hand plate racks at 50 yards.  I was racking my brain trying to come up with a way to measure the difference.  Then Keith Garcia sent me these photos and this drill.  I have yet to try it but Keith's results are impressive to say the least.

3GN Pro Series target at 50 yards
Mag loaded with 10 rounds so weight doesn't come into play
Starting on center of target with Swarovski Z6i at 2.5X
Double tap target as fast as possible
Using timer to keep track of splits
Splits between .15-.17

10 Rounds w/JP Low Mass Carrier
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/8AB090EE-3735-43BC-BED4-A5771E6AB73E_zpssyelve0h.jpg

10 Rounds w/Boomfab Ultra Low Mass Carrier
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/1CD5CEB5-7866-41A9-9E09-43732F8EEF8D_zpsxlhbxhx4.jpg
Jesse, is the group tighter with the Boomfab?  The 2nd pic is gone.
 


I must haves moved the picture it's fixed now.  Yeah the lighter carrier definitely moves less and hold tighter double taps.
2/1/2014 9:57:32 PM EDT
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I want to answer this question in general for any light weight carrier and what one can expect.

The goal in a good competition Ar-15 is to own a gun that shoots the smallest groups in the least amount of time. Its not so much what the recoil  "FEELS like at your shoulder", but rather what the target looks like after a short elapsed time.

That is what you tune for with a low mass system. Anyone can slap a giant heavy muzzle brake on the end of your barrel and mitigate muzzle rise and recoil and help maximize your grouping X time scores.
The problem lies in the weight of the brake acting like a big pendulum and ruining  transition  from target to target. The LESS weight on the end of your muzzle, the better.

Running a rifle length gas system is ideal, but both of mine are mid length gas port locations. I have a Keis(LOVE it) infinitely adjustable gas block on my DI gun and an adjustable gas block for my AA piston set up on my 14.5 inch barrel. I cant make very fine adjustments on the piston gun, obviously..

Now this is my opinion. Is is correct: I run a reasonably light but pretty darn effective brake. I then tune this set up for maximum efficiency...ie the closest groupings in the least amount of time. Its a tricky process I am finding....getting the right combo of buffer weight, spring size,, and gas setting on you adjustable gas block.. And IS there an ideal bolt carrier weight?? That is my question.

Also: Buffer weights?  I use the whole assembly of the JP captured spring mechanism(CSM)  when paired with my JP lighr carrier. But I remove the Circlps and SS weight barrels from it when paired with my 3.5 ounce Smith carrier.

Same deal for the conventional buffers. I use the standard carbine buffer for the JP light carrier and I remove all the internal weights for pairing the buffer with the Smith carrrier. I am still experimenting with buffer weight and spring tension.
I am open to suggestions for best focus to take here.


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I have shot 650 rounds through mine with good results.  I managed to finish 3rd at the US Carbine Association Nationals using it.  I simply took the JP low mass BCG out of my Stag 3G and dropped this in.  I notice a difference in sight movement and am killing it shooting off hand plate racks at 50 yards.  I was racking my brain trying to come up with a way to measure the difference.  Then Keith Garcia sent me these photos and this drill.  I have yet to try it but Keith's results are impressive to say the least.

3GN Pro Series target at 50 yards
Mag loaded with 10 rounds so weight doesn't come into play
Starting on center of target with Swarovski Z6i at 2.5X
Double tap target as fast as possible
Using timer to keep track of splits
Splits between .15-.17

10 Rounds w/JP Low Mass Carrier
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/8AB090EE-3735-43BC-BED4-A5771E6AB73E_zpssyelve0h.jpg

10 Rounds w/Boomfab Ultra Low Mass Carrier
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/1CD5CEB5-7866-41A9-9E09-43732F8EEF8D_zpsxlhbxhx4.jpg
Jesse, is the group tighter with the Boomfab?  The 2nd pic is gone.
 



I want to answer this question in general for any light weight carrier and what one can expect.

The goal in a good competition Ar-15 is to own a gun that shoots the smallest groups in the least amount of time. Its not so much what the recoil  "FEELS like at your shoulder", but rather what the target looks like after a short elapsed time.

That is what you tune for with a low mass system. Anyone can slap a giant heavy muzzle brake on the end of your barrel and mitigate muzzle rise and recoil and help maximize your grouping X time scores.
The problem lies in the weight of the brake acting like a big pendulum and ruining  transition  from target to target. The LESS weight on the end of your muzzle, the better.

Running a rifle length gas system is ideal, but both of mine are mid length gas port locations. I have a Keis(LOVE it) infinitely adjustable gas block on my DI gun and an adjustable gas block for my AA piston set up on my 14.5 inch barrel. I cant make very fine adjustments on the piston gun, obviously..

Now this is my opinion. Is is correct: I run a reasonably light but pretty darn effective brake. I then tune this set up for maximum efficiency...ie the closest groupings in the least amount of time. Its a tricky process I am finding....getting the right combo of buffer weight, spring size,, and gas setting on you adjustable gas block.. And IS there an ideal bolt carrier weight?? That is my question.

Also: Buffer weights?  I use the whole assembly of the JP captured spring mechanism(CSM)  when paired with my JP lighr carrier. But I remove the Circlps and SS weight barrels from it when paired with my 3.5 ounce Smith carrier.

Same deal for the conventional buffers. I use the standard carbine buffer for the JP light carrier and I remove all the internal weights for pairing the buffer with the Smith carrrier. I am still experimenting with buffer weight and spring tension.
I am open to suggestions for best focus to take here.




I'm running a low mass carrier with my gas turned way down, a big Seekins ATC carrier, a heavy barrel and a heavy stock.  Weight on the gun,  a big comp, a low mass carrier and as little gas as possible shoots flat.  I was trying to go with a lighter gun but realized during this testing why everyone runs those heavy ass PRS stocks.  Weight mitigates sight movement.  The gun feels lethargic in your hands when you pick it up and it's heavy but we are only holding the gun for 20-60 seconds.   Furthermore running with a 10 lb gun vs a 5 lb gun really doesn't matter either.
2/3/2014 4:12:56 PM EDT
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I have shot 650 rounds through mine with good results.  I managed to finish 3rd at the US Carbine Association Nationals using it.  I simply took the JP low mass BCG out of my Stag 3G and dropped this in.  I notice a difference in sight movement and am killing it shooting off hand plate racks at 50 yards.  I was racking my brain trying to come up with a way to measure the difference.  Then Keith Garcia sent me these photos and this drill.  I have yet to try it but Keith's results are impressive to say the least.



3GN Pro Series target at 50 yards

Mag loaded with 10 rounds so weight doesn't come into play

Starting on center of target with Swarovski Z6i at 2.5X

Double tap target as fast as possible

Using timer to keep track of splits

Splits between .15-.17



10 Rounds w/JP Low Mass Carrier

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/8AB090EE-3735-43BC-BED4-A5771E6AB73E_zpssyelve0h.jpg



10 Rounds w/Boomfab Ultra Low Mass Carrier

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/1CD5CEB5-7866-41A9-9E09-43732F8EEF8D_zpsxlhbxhx4.jpg

Jesse, is the group tighter with the Boomfab?  The 2nd pic is gone.

 




I must haves moved the picture it's fixed now.  Yeah the lighter carrier definitely moves less and hold tighter double taps.
Thanks.  That is substantially smaller.



 
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I have shot 650 rounds through mine with good results.  I managed to finish 3rd at the US Carbine Association Nationals using it.  I simply took the JP low mass BCG out of my Stag 3G and dropped this in.  I notice a difference in sight movement and am killing it shooting off hand plate racks at 50 yards.  I was racking my brain trying to come up with a way to measure the difference.  Then Keith Garcia sent me these photos and this drill.  I have yet to try it but Keith's results are impressive to say the least.

3GN Pro Series target at 50 yards
Mag loaded with 10 rounds so weight doesn't come into play
Starting on center of target with Swarovski Z6i at 2.5X
Double tap target as fast as possible
Using timer to keep track of splits
Splits between .15-.17

10 Rounds w/JP Low Mass Carrier
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/8AB090EE-3735-43BC-BED4-A5771E6AB73E_zpssyelve0h.jpg

10 Rounds w/Boomfab Ultra Low Mass Carrier
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/jtischauser/Accessories/1CD5CEB5-7866-41A9-9E09-43732F8EEF8D_zpsxlhbxhx4.jpg
Jesse, is the group tighter with the Boomfab?  The 2nd pic is gone.
 


I must haves moved the picture it's fixed now.  Yeah the lighter carrier definitely moves less and hold tighter double taps.
Thanks.  That is substantially smaller.
 


Yes it is.  I didn't notice the difference so much until I ran this drill myself.
2/4/2014 8:18:00 AM EDT
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I'm running a low mass carrier with my gas turned way down, a big Seekins ATC carrier, a heavy barrel and a heavy stock.  Weight on the gun,  a big comp, a low mass carrier and as little gas as possible shoots flat.  I was trying to go with a lighter gun but realized during this testing why everyone runs those heavy ass PRS stocks.  Weight mitigates sight movement.  The gun feels lethargic in your hands when you pick it up and it's heavy but we are only holding the gun for 20-60 seconds.   Furthermore running with a 10 lb gun vs a 5 lb gun really doesn't matter either.
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I like a little weight in the rifle too.  For me, transitions are not slower, and a medium weight rifle (about 10# w/ a scope) is much easier to shoot at anything over 100 yards, either supported or not.

2/4/2014 1:56:19 PM EDT
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So the subject of titanium carriers came up today in this thread.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/636363_Titanium_BCG.html

Look like spikes just announced one as well. And it has a M16 cut/profile
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So the subject of titanium carriers came up today in this thread.

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Bummer that its not as light as the Boomfab.
2/10/2014 9:52:59 PM EDT
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When is this product going to be released?!?!?! I need one soon....or I will buy the JP LMOS.......
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When is this product going to be released?!?!?! I need one soon....or I will buy the JP LMOS.......
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End of march hopefully.
5/26/2014 5:37:32 PM EDT
[#38]
I received the production version of the Titane Carrier last week.  It came it .3 oz lighter at 4.4 oz.  The full BCG weighs in at 6.5 oz.



7/12/2014 5:03:57 PM EDT
[#39]
Just wondering if I am wrong. I look at the bolt, carrier and buffer as one weight. Starting to go really light on my buffers now. My 4.5 pound 6.8 SPC is now using a 2.05 ounce buffer with all aluminum plugs, but when the buffer is empty it only weighs 0.8 ounces. I am using the JP LMOS carrier.

I figure taking 2 ounces out of the buffer is the same as taking out 2 ounces out of the carrier?
7/20/2014 3:23:44 PM EDT
[#40]
I'd rather have weight in the buffer than the carrier. Buffering weight>dead weight.
8/19/2014 10:35:30 AM EDT
[#41]
Jesse-

Did you ever get a Rubber City or Voodoo bolt carrier to weigh?
I see you are running the BOOMFABs...they sound sweet.  What's the next best thing(lightest) for the poorer shooters out here?

Thanks,
JSflyer
8/19/2014 10:48:12 AM EDT
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Did you ever get a Rubber City or Voodoo bolt carrier to weigh?
I see you are running the BOOMFABs...they sound sweet.  What's the next best thing(lightest) for the poorer shooters out here?

Thanks,
JSflyer
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Negative.  As far as I know nothing in steel is as light as the JP so I didn't bother.  As far as my money goes Boomfab in the match guns and JP in the fun guns.
8/19/2014 11:33:44 AM EDT
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Jesse-



Did you ever get a Rubber City or Voodoo bolt carrier to weigh?

I see you are running the BOOMFABs...they sound sweet.  What's the next best thing(lightest) for the poorer shooters out here?



Thanks,

JSflyer
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I think the RedX titanium is the next lightest available.  Still not cheap.



 
9/2/2014 10:32:01 PM EDT
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A lighter BC makes recoil go away?

Not sure I would buy anything from a gun manufacturer with no understanding of physics of the operation of guns.
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Spoken like one who has never shot a tuned 3 gun rifle with lightened reciprocating mass and a good comp.  My first dedicated 3-gun rifle was a Tac-Irons build with JP parts where it counted...  Then I wanted to dabble in Optics so I tried a 'budget build'  with a good barrel but standard components elsewhere.  Shot it once and went inside to order adj gas and another LMOS carrier.  I will eventually try a Titane but there are other things I need to upgrade first.  Now I am hearing rumors about a new and improved JP aluminum carrier coming back out............
9/3/2014 12:28:29 AM EDT
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Spoken like one who has never shot a tuned 3 gun rifle with lightened reciprocating mass and a good comp.  My first dedicated 3-gun rifle was a Tac-Irons build with JP parts where it counted...  Then I wanted to dabble in Optics so I tried a 'budget build'  with a good barrel but standard components elsewhere.  Shot it once and went inside to order adj gas and another LMOS carrier.  I will eventually try a Titane but there are other things I need to upgrade first.  Now I am hearing rumors about a new and improved JP aluminum carrier coming back out............
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A lighter BC makes recoil go away?

Not sure I would buy anything from a gun manufacturer with no understanding of physics of the operation of guns.



Spoken like one who has never shot a tuned 3 gun rifle with lightened reciprocating mass and a good comp.  My first dedicated 3-gun rifle was a Tac-Irons build with JP parts where it counted...  Then I wanted to dabble in Optics so I tried a 'budget build'  with a good barrel but standard components elsewhere.  Shot it once and went inside to order adj gas and another LMOS carrier.  I will eventually try a Titane but there are other things I need to upgrade first.  Now I am hearing rumors about a new and improved JP aluminum carrier coming back out............


I heard JP might make an Aluminum disposable carrier.  That's gonna make the Titane cheap after ten thousand rounds.
9/3/2014 12:48:14 AM EDT
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Jesse-

Did you ever get a Rubber City or Voodoo bolt carrier to weigh?
I see you are running the BOOMFABs...they sound sweet.  What's the next best thing(lightest) for the poorer shooters out here?

Thanks,
JSflyer
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Voodoo lightweight is 7.47 Ounces on my scale.
9/9/2014 1:15:56 AM EDT
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I heard JP might make an Aluminum disposable carrier.  That's gonna make the Titane cheap after ten thousand rounds.
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A lighter BC makes recoil go away?

Not sure I would buy anything from a gun manufacturer with no understanding of physics of the operation of guns.



Spoken like one who has never shot a tuned 3 gun rifle with lightened reciprocating mass and a good comp.  My first dedicated 3-gun rifle was a Tac-Irons build with JP parts where it counted...  Then I wanted to dabble in Optics so I tried a 'budget build'  with a good barrel but standard components elsewhere.  Shot it once and went inside to order adj gas and another LMOS carrier.  I will eventually try a Titane but there are other things I need to upgrade first.  Now I am hearing rumors about a new and improved JP aluminum carrier coming back out............


I heard JP might make an Aluminum disposable carrier.  That's gonna make the Titane cheap after ten thousand rounds.


Yeah I plan to opt for the Titane.  From a materials standpoint and because the designer is a good dude.
9/15/2014 2:10:40 PM EDT
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I just tested the Boomfab and it required the least amount of gas of all the configurations tested.

The Boomfab + JPSCS is the lowest.

This was using our match grade fluted 16" Rifle gas barrel.

You can see the results at this link: http://micromoa.com/?page_id=1190


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