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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:01:36 PM EDT
Ive been seeing lots of talk of preppers changing up and leaning more "grey" man. If you dont know "grey man" is a term used to describe someone who is trying to blend in and not stand or be "memorable" when compared to everyone else. They have been changing out bug out back styles, clothing choices etc. in an attempt to blend in with the rest of society and still maintain a level of preparedness.

What I am curious about is if this is truly necessary or not. Most people do not want to become a target in a shtf situation, they dont want to look like they have it together any more than anyone else. I would imagine that if you have any kind of backpack that is going to tell EVERYONE that you have enough possessions to warrant a backpack, right?

Does it really just come down to the scenario? Long term shtf/wrol would very likely cause people to become very brazen and you would likely see groups/gangs targeting the weak or whoever they could. What about tornado or other natural disaster, is it really going to matter there? I do believe city vs rural could possibly warrant a "grey man" approach.

I personally live outside the city limits of a small kentucky town, nearly everyone outside the city has a garden, many in the city do as well. I am not 100% sure i NEED to swap out my 5.11 Rush 72 for a Kelty Internal framed pack just yet. I plan on avoiding as many people as I can if shtf but i thought the concept was very interesting, any thoughts from you guys? Is "grey man" something you strive for or not?
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 1:21:21 PM EDT
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Unless you're an 'attention uh person', why attract more attention than necessary?

Link Posted: 7/28/2014 1:23:02 PM EDT
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Personally, I can't think of many occasions when I don't want to be a "gray man".

My preferred lifestyle is "leave me alone and I will do the same for you.

Doc
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 1:26:50 PM EDT
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Sometimes you do it so as not to look welathy, this is very important in high crime areas or countries. In the context you seem to be asking, look as if you've got 10.000 USD worth of tactical stuff on you during a disaster, maybe worth putting a 22lR bullet out of a Cricket through the back of your head and jackpot! lots of expensive goodies.
Sometimes its about not looking like a Rambo wannabe and get the cops/military attention during an evacuation.
Sometimes its about fitting in, you want to belnd with the crowd, negibors and basically with people around you and not become the focus of attention due to unusual behavior or dressing.
Within a work context, grey means shuting up your mouth about preps, certain political and social ideas which may not be easy to accept by the LCD sheep.
FerFAL
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 1:31:23 PM EDT
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Nobody notices the short slightly overweight middle-aged white guy.   I almost got "GRAYMAN" for my license plate but thought it would be defeating of the concept.
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 1:54:50 PM EDT
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Safe to say most would agree to go grey man whenever possible then?
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 1:57:39 PM EDT
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I wouldn't say most, look at all the attentions seekers out there all over, but I think it's more sensible to go grey than otherwise...

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I guess what I'm asking is something as simple as a certain style of backpack going to matter? Is the idea that one looks a certain way really what causes you to be a target or is it simply having a backpack to begin with? I'm not meaning someone decked out from head to toe in tacticool high speed get-up.
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I guess what I'm asking is something as simple as a certain style of backpack going to matter? Is the idea that one looks a certain way really what causes you to be a target or is it simply having a backpack to begin with? I'm not meaning someone decked out from head to toe in tacticool high speed get-up.
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I guess what I'm asking is something as simple as a certain style of backpack going to matter? Is the idea that one looks a certain way really what causes you to be a target or is it simply having a backpack to begin with? I'm not meaning someone decked out from head to toe in tacticool high speed get-up.



An old saying comes to mind, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".

Still works...  


Link Posted: 7/28/2014 2:16:32 PM EDT
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probably depends on the situation; but, for the most part, why not go gray?  what else besides your backpack are you having seconds thoughts on?  your 5.11 tac-lite pants? marpat boonie hat? bates boots?  

just wear whatever you wear everyday.  if you have a specific set of clothes in your closet labeled "shtf wardrobe" then, yeah, you might want to tone it down. unless you are one of those:

you are always going to have people who want to look like billy badass no matter the situation; so a disaster won't change their persepective much.

a backpack is just a backpack to most people.  they aren't going to know the difference in your 5.11 Rush 72 and my ozark trail pack.

I think what you are trying to say with the gang problem is that it might be better to look like you have your shit together? like a don't mess with me, i know what i am doing appearance?
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probably depends on the situation; but, for the most part, why not go gray?  what else besides your backpack are you having seconds thoughts on?  your 5.11 tac-lite pants? marpat boonie hat? bates boots?  

just wear whatever you wear everyday.  if you have a specific set of clothes in your closet labeled "shtf wardrobe" then, yeah, you might want to tone it down. unless you are one of those:

you are always going to have people who want to look like billy badass no matter the situation; so a disaster won't change their persepective much.

a backpack is just a backpack to most people.  they aren't going to know the difference in your 5.11 Rush 72 and my ozark trail pack.

I think what you are trying to say with the gang problem is that it might be better to look like you have your shit together? like a don't mess with me, i know what i am doing appearance?
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I definitely dont have a shtf wardrobe.
I wear clothes from walmart that just about every other guy wears and 5$ sunglasses. I agree most people dont know one backpack from the next but that made me remember something. I do carry a Rush 24 around with me as EDC, I have two daughters one is 7 and the other is 4 months, so I have bottles and diapers and clothes and all the stuff I need to have for them. My friend is a police officer noticed it and commented on how it would make a good "go bag" That makes me think that police definitely notice that kind of thing.
As far as my gang comment goes, if i were out to kill/rob folks then i would want to get the most return for my investment, obviously you would get more stuff from someone wearing a backpack vs someone with junk in their pockets. So does that mean anyone with a backpack on could be a target for the bad guys? Would having a backpack period become less "grey man"? I guess all that depends on the situation, are you waiting in line for water/evac or sheltering in a stadium during a hurricane?

I like the comment FerFal made about blending in as a tourist etc. Thats a good way to look at it. It being eastern KY I may need to install some kind of gun rack in the truck now that I think about it...

Link Posted: 7/28/2014 2:55:25 PM EDT
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Too often it's something in your "pysche" (for lack of a better term) that gives it away.

The guy that's looking over his shoulder constantly, wearing the short sleeve button up shirt OVER the t-shirt- you know, the one that screams "I AM CARRYING A FRICKING GUN!!!", that's acting cagey, that seems uneasy and unsure of himself.....

with "that guy" it really doesn't matter WTF he's wearing, whether it's a briefcase, Hello Kitty backpack or a backpack nuke, he WILL and DOES stand out.

Many people can't turn it off.

At one point in time I was interacting with a bunch of people for about six years. Early on I had a couple of "clues" about one of them. Later a couple more "clues". I dropped a key word and he jumped on it, I just smiled. It wasn't till about a year later did I show a few of my cards. Some time later talking with several of them I was told "we saw you all the time, we dropped hints that we were into this stuff, you never ran with them. We had no idea whatsoever you were so into this."

And I am in no way shape or form trying to hide anything ;)


Now as to the gray man philosophy- you just have to be REALISTIC with it.

This BS idea that you will be able to continue to live amongst starving people, not lose weight and just "play the gray man" BS isn't a VIABLE SURVIVAL PLAN.

Great for fiction stories straight from Walter Mitty's that make "lists" of things they are never going to do from Mommy's basement. Not for a real life survival plan.

Keep a low profile now and in the PAW? Yes hell yes!

Relay on some BS deception (that FEW can truly pull off anyways) as your main survival plan? - No, hell no!
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 3:25:37 PM EDT
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That was awesome!

Wait, is levity allowed in SF?
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 4:00:58 PM EDT
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My preferred lifestyle is "leave me alone and I will do the same for you.

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"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them."JB Books


Low profile, no bolt face decals, no NRA decal, no hunting or Fudd style decals.
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 4:43:01 PM EDT
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I agree totally with the GM concept,
and could only stand a BFL on my
car for a week before it had to be
gone. Advertising like that is just
not smart now, let alone grid down.

However, I am not trying to be
contrary, but sometimes a little
confidence and purpose in your
walk & posture will make the
perp have second thoughts.
But of course that extra bit
of confidence can come from
being well heeled.  

To the OP, great topic.

John
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 4:56:51 PM EDT
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Grey Man is a good policy and I employ it in practice constantly. But there comes a time when a more sturdy posture or profile could be equally beneficial. I hope to God we never experience such a state.
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 5:02:45 PM EDT
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Every fucking day. Nice comfortable jeans nice lightweight tennis shoes that work in an office polo shirts and button downs that look good untucked. Hair that can be combed. Clean shaven. A honda and a Volvo.

Under the shirt a rigger belt on the jeans with crossbreed super tuck holding a g19. Fobus double mag holder. Boker auto knife.

Costco backpack for car. Trauma kit and first aid kit. Case of wlamart water in each car.

Blending is what I do best, invisible camouflage. Every day. Then if and when the s hits the f blending will be easy.

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They will when everyone else is brown.
Interesting thread.
"The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea."  Mao Tse-tung.
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They will when everyone else is brown.
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They will when everyone else is brown.
Interesting thread.


ha! thats true enough.
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They will when everyone else is brown.
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ha! thats true enough.


Maybe save up some shoe polish and Obama bumper stickers.
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It seems that nobody is talking about any mid- to long-term situation which would entail blending in when everyone around you is starving.  It is hard to fake sunken cheeks, flat eyes and other symptoms of malnutrition.  Even considering that most people aren't too observant, being well-fed after 3 months at average SHTF nutrition levels, you are going to stick out.  Planning for this can be hard and is yet another reason why being mostly removed from 'normal' society is a good plan.
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It seems that nobody is talking about any mid- to long-term situation which would entail blending in when everyone around you is starving.  It is hard to fake sunken cheeks, flat eyes and other symptoms of malnutrition.  Even considering that most people aren't too observant, being well-fed after 3 months at average SHTF nutrition levels, you are going to stick out.  Planning for this can be hard and is yet another reason why being mostly removed from 'normal' society is a good plan.
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I agree.  Mentions of fat white guys "blending in" is nonsense.  I think it's funny on tv shows in "apocalypse" situations, where they have a portly jovial fellow for 5 seasons.  Guess what?  After 5 seasons of food shortage, lets see how portly or jovial that guy is gonna be.  
One should look thin, diseased, toothless, and crazy.
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Every fucking day. Nice comfortable jeans nice lightweight tennis shoes that work in an office polo shirts and button downs that look good untucked. Hair that can be combed. Clean shaven. A honda and a Volvo.

Under the shirt a rigger belt on the jeans with crossbreed super tuck holding a g19. Fobus double mag holder. Boker auto knife.

Costco backpack for car. Trauma kit and first aid kit. Case of wlamart water in each car.

Blending is what I do best, invisible camouflage. Every day. Then if and when the s hits the f blending will be easy.

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Rich target.  You need a broken down KIA, or maybe a hyundai.  A beat up 1983 Ford Escort would be perfect.
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 6:30:30 PM EDT
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Grey is ok in some environments . I worked in the hood for years . Hood rats see a grey man as an easy target . This is one of the time where looking a little threatening is better.
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It seems that nobody is talking about any mid- to long-term situation which would entail blending in when everyone around you is starving.  It is hard to fake sunken cheeks, flat eyes and other symptoms of malnutrition.  Even considering that most people aren't too observant, being well-fed after 3 months at average SHTF nutrition levels, you are going to stick out.  Planning for this can be hard and is yet another reason why being mostly removed from 'normal' society is a good plan.
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Even in that scenario you could take steps to blend in: torn over-sized clothing, dirty skin, little soot under the eyes, fake distended bellies for the kiddos, ect...

Part of me thinks that most people will have moved on well before everyone in the neighborhood looks like living skeletons.
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I agree.  Mentions of fat white guys "blending in" is nonsense.  I think it's funny on tv shows in "apocalypse" situations, where they have a portly jovial fellow for 5 seasons.  Guess what?  After 5 seasons of food shortage, lets see how portly or jovial that guy is gonna be.  
One should look thin, diseased, toothless, and crazy.
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It seems that nobody is talking about any mid- to long-term situation which would entail blending in when everyone around you is starving.  It is hard to fake sunken cheeks, flat eyes and other symptoms of malnutrition.  Even considering that most people aren't too observant, being well-fed after 3 months at average SHTF nutrition levels, you are going to stick out.  Planning for this can be hard and is yet another reason why being mostly removed from 'normal' society is a good plan.


I agree.  Mentions of fat white guys "blending in" is nonsense.  I think it's funny on tv shows in "apocalypse" situations, where they have a portly jovial fellow for 5 seasons.  Guess what?  After 5 seasons of food shortage, lets see how portly or jovial that guy is gonna be.  
One should look thin, diseased, toothless, and crazy.


This will be during my retirement years.
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They will when everyone else is brown.
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Nobody notices the short slightly overweight middle-aged white guy.   I almost got "GRAYMAN" for my license plate but thought it would be defeating of the concept.


They will when everyone else is brown.
Interesting thread.
"The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea."  Mao Tse-tung.



There are like two Asians and three Mexicans in my county.  But I see your point.
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 8:34:05 PM EDT
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"Grey is ok in some environments . I worked in the hood for years . Hood rats see a grey man as an easy target . This is one of the time where looking a little threatening is better."

+1

Keeping a low profile is needed in some situations but IMO most of this "greyman" stuff is over think nonsense.  Plain and simple if this is your approach you are sending the "I'm an easy target" signal and hoping you don't get picked.

Along those same lines are strategies like storing your rifle in a tennis racket case so you can covertly keep it close at hand in a SHTF situation.  Seriously?  In a situation that has gone bad enough you feel the need to have a rifle close at hand do you really think anyone seeing that tennis racket case is going to believe it's not a weapon and your just coming back from  practicing your serve?  


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Even in that scenario you could take steps to blend in: torn over-sized clothing, dirty skin, little soot under the eyes, fake distended bellies for the kiddos, ect...



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Thanks for bringing some levity to the discussion.  



Some folks take themselves so seriously and have been immersed in ( fill in blank here )  so long they can't see what they look like to the outside observer.




 
Link Posted: 7/28/2014 9:31:54 PM EDT
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If I had nothing, and wanted something, and the way to get something was taking from others, then I would look for those that had something.

How can I tell who has something? Maybe I should look for those who look like they have their act together.

A guy with a milspec back pack and nice rifle? And all I have is a POS shotgun and 3 shells? How about I hit that guy in an ambush and take his stuff? Then I'm better off.


That doesn't represent my thinking, but that of many others around.


If you want to be a victim, advertise your goods when goods mean life and death and most people are going to die. You will likely become the victim, and help supply someone else.
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f I had nothing, and wanted something, and the way to get something was taking from others, then I would look for those that had something.

How can I tell who has something? Maybe I should look for those who look like they have their act together.

A guy with a milspec back pack and nice rifle? And all I have is a POS shotgun and 3 shells? How about I hit that guy in an ambush and take his stuff? Then I'm better off.


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It doesn't represent your thinking because you're not a criminal thug.  They think differently and look for easy targets.   They instinctively know the guy that looks like they have their act together is the guy that might just kill them, so they move on to easier pickings.
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"Grey is ok in some environments . I worked in the hood for years . Hood rats see a grey man as an easy target . This is one of the time where looking a little threatening is better."

+1

Keeping a low profile is needed in some situations but IMO most of this "greyman" stuff is over think nonsense.  Plain and simple if this is your approach you are sending the "I'm an easy target" signal and hoping you don't get picked.

Along those same lines are strategies like storing your rifle in a tennis racket case so you can covertly keep it close at hand in a SHTF situation.  Seriously?  In a situation that has gone bad enough you feel the need to have a rifle close at hand do you really think anyone seeing that tennis racket case is going to believe it's not a weapon and your just coming back from  practicing your serve?  


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Grey doesnt mean weak, its just knowing how to not stick out like a sore thumb, not be flashy or very attractive as a target. You can be gray and have a no-nonsense aura about you that predators will often smell. Its not just about the way you dress, but the body language as well. You have to know what predators are looking for. If you look fit, strong, but most of all, if you look aware, (head up, looking around, acknowledging and making eye contact with those approaching you straight forward) then you're not what they are looking for. I'm not saying you wont get attacked, but the chances are less likely compared to easier, less aware people. Right before leaving Argentina I had something like this happen to me one night when picking up my niece. It was already dark and the streets were empty, this guy walking in the opposite direction from me, on the other sidewalk, crosses the street in a hurry directly towards me. I had already seen him and he looked nervous, looking around checking 360. Before he got close I drew my gun and covered him, told him to back off which of course he did. If you trained, your'e aware and armed, you will have an advantage, especially against minor league thugs operating solo. Some dont even have a gun, they just pick a steak knife and try to mug/hussle you, and those that have guns will mostly carry without a holster. The more savvy ones will draw way ahead of time, try to conceal the weapon on their side or pocket but its not that hard to spot this kind of thing (again, looking for unaware victims) if you see them ahead of time you can draw and control the situation better. They are not expecting it, the surprise factor is reversed and in general they will go looking for an easier victim.
FerFAL
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 4:13:54 AM EDT
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Thanks for the good input guys. I believe it is safe to say there is a middle or "grey" area in all of this.
What it seems to boil down to is if you look like you have something someone else may desperately want you could become a target.
Society itself isnt discerning between brands but more over your whole appearance, demeanor and the things you are telegraphing.

Noone said it just like this but try and look like you belong there. You will however have to consider where "there" is. If someone were to wear a tuxedo in this city they would stand out greatly. For me, an old chevy truck is pretty normal here, camo pants arent out of the normal either. Now if you were to dress in older military surplus pants head to toe, you stand out. Dont look like a tourist right?

So for me I probably wont swap out my 5.11 pack just yet but I may change out some of my attire just balance things out a bit.

Link Posted: 7/29/2014 4:43:08 AM EDT
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I don't own any shirts with any kind of logo or anything other than solid colors that I wear anywhere except around the house or gun range, either t shirts or polo or golf shirts.I wear various kinds of cargo pants and either black or brown shoes. I rarely if ever wear a hat. The only jewelry I wear is a wedding band and wristwatch. My cell is in my pocket. My vehicle is a common type in a common color with no stickers on it. My personalized license plate is something only a regular shooter of ar rifles would even recognize as anything other than a regular plate.  Other than being a giant with scars on my face I try to dress to be neutral pretty much anywhere. I do my best to not stand out any more than the guy next to me.
   if I am in the bank I don't want to get shot first because I am wearing a shirt that says, "from my cold dead hands" or something else that pretty much instantly identifies me as being armed or at the least willing to resist. I have met a few guys that take the gray man to a level that makes them memorable.
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This is me. I carry a veritable arsenal at all times on me with basic supplies and nobody is the wiser.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 5:09:31 AM EDT
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I'm glad to see that you've posted this. Too often on this site and ones like it there is this perception that commando-like skills are the panacea. I've often said that the most important skill that one can possess is the ability to blend in with their surroundings and maneuver in plain sight.  

I've had the honor of working with many HUMINT'rs over the years and to the man (or woman) they've all mentioned that firearms, overly muscular physique, "military" gait and aura, etc... will get you rolled up or killed.  I believe blending in is a skill that any prudent person should possess...along with lock picking,a certain level of document forging, medical, communications, explosives knowledge, clandestine communication (trade craft), basic IMT and fighting as a team, etc...One should also gain proficiency with weapons that can be explained away such as a 3 cell mag lite, a straight razor or your shoes.  

You should be able to withstand cursory scrutiny and even "bump" pat downs without compromise. Remember, the solutions that seem viable in a relatively structured society are not the solutions that will necessarily work in anarchy. Particularly if there are strong population control measures in effect.

Even basic disguises are of value such as the use of glasses, downward/insecure gazes and slouching. Go to a train station or other public place. Pick out the bad asses and then pick out the less than secure, but still normal, men. That's the guy you may want to emulate in disguise.  

Obviously it all depends on situation and there might be a time to go "hard" but for the most part it's wise to blend in and not become the guy in the proverbial orange jump suit. I know I'll probably catch hell for saying it but there are many times, if not most, that guns and commando gear will hurt more than they help.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 5:32:47 AM EDT
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I thought greynan was to dress like the cell phone Guy....least that's what the web told me LOL.

How you hold yourself goes a long way...clothing etc play into it. You roll up in the Hood with a 550 clk and a nice watch...even being assertive and chin up wont take the target off your back. Same goes in the other direction.
Scenario plays a big roll.

When ""greyman " was the rage 8-10 yes ago....these topics were weekly.

I met with a buddy for dinner once...now I'm several hours from home. Different demographic etc. But not out of element totally. We had a talk how I stand out (facial hair...shaved head...darker skin...that kinda jazz) . So we hit this small local restaurant.  I'm wearing my normal get up. Wranglers...hikers..Guy Harvey shirt with a flannel and camo mesh backed sports team ball cap.
We walk in...on our way to the table I veered off to the rest room...I got no less than two...
"Hey..how ya doing...see ya in church Sunday's .."
"Nice to see you back in town.."
Kind of replys. I played it off..
Its a joke now that I laugh at when "greyman " comes up....simple advice like posted before.

When in Rome....just don't dress the same act the same...




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I thought greynan was to dress like the cell phone Guy....least that's what the web told me LOL.

How you hold yourself goes a long way...clothing etc play into it. You roll up in the Hood with a 550 clk and a nice watch...even being assertive and chin up wont take the target off your back. Same goes in the other direction.
Scenario plays a big roll.

When ""greyman " was the rage 8-10 yes ago....these topics were weekly.

I met with a buddy for dinner once...now I'm several hours from home. Different demographic etc. But not out of element totally. We had a talk how I stand out (facial hair...shaved head...darker skin...that kinda jazz) . So we hit this small local restaurant.  I'm wearing my normal get up. Wranglers...hikers..Guy Harvey shirt with a flannel and camo mesh backed sports team ball cap.
We walk in...on our way to the table I veered off to the rest room...I got no less than two...
"Hey..how ya doing...see ya in church Sunday's .."
"Nice to see you back in town.."
Kind of replys. I played it off..
Its a joke now that I laugh at when "greyman " comes up....simple advice like posted before.

When in Rome....just don't dress the same act the same...




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Look the part and play the part, right?
thanks for your input.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 5:53:53 AM EDT
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I'm glad to see that you've posted this. Too often on this site and ones like it there is this perception that commando-like skills are the panacea. I've often said that the most important skill that one can possess is the ability to blend in with their surroundings and maneuver in plain sight.  

I've had the honor of working with many HUMINT'rs over the years and to the man (or woman) they've all mentioned that firearms, overly muscular physique, "military" gait and aura, etc... will get you rolled up or killed.  I believe blending in is a skill that any prudent person should possess...along with lock picking,a certain level of document forging, medical, communications, explosives knowledge, clandestine communication (trade craft), basic IMT and fighting as a team, etc...One should also gain proficiency with weapons that can be explained away such as a 3 cell mag lite, a straight razor or your shoes.  

You should be able to withstand cursory scrutiny and even "bump" pat downs without compromise. Remember, the solutions that seem viable in a relatively structured society are not the solutions that will necessarily work in anarchy. Particularly if there are strong population control measures in effect.

Even basic disguises are of value such as the use of glasses, downward/insecure gazes and slouching. Go to a train station or other public place. Pick out the bad asses and then pick out the less than secure, but still normal, men. That's the guy you may want to emulate in disguise.  

Obviously it all depends on situation and there might be a time to go "hard" but for the most part it's wise to blend in and not become the guy in the proverbial orange jump suit. I know I'll probably catch hell for saying it but there are many times, if not most, that guns and commando gear will hurt more than they help.
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Ill be honest, i am late in the game with prepping. Im 33 and I havent been doing it for 10 years like some here have. Im trying to do things that i feel are going to be realistic for me and my family and for where I live. But I also feel like understanding core concepts such as this are important too.  Sometimes small things can give you an edge and sometimes they can give you away. I think understanding how society (your local one) reacts mentally to certain things is important and I also think looking a back on how similar situations have (great depression, riots, disasters etc) worked out and how people reacted are important too.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 6:13:42 AM EDT
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The "grey man" concept has many, many applications outside of SHTF scenarios. For example, I don't walk around wearing 5.11 pants, a gigantic 4" blade folder clipped in the pocket, and a "photographer" vest. I don't advertise guns or politics on my vehicles. If I were to carry in a fannypack, it would be purple and have a Mickey Mouse patch on it (not tactical black with some gun logo on it).

The whole idea is to conduct your private life in a manner that doesn't draw attention to you or your capabilities in any way, at any time.
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Link Posted: 7/29/2014 6:15:25 AM EDT
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Along those same lines are strategies like storing your rifle in a tennis racket case so you can covertly keep it close at hand in a SHTF situation.  Seriously?  In a situation that has gone bad enough you feel the need to have a rifle close at hand do you really think anyone seeing that tennis racket case is going to believe it's not a weapon and your just coming back from  practicing your serve?  
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There's a LOT of territory in between "peaceful daily life" and "SHTF" where having a discretely carried shoulder weapon could be useful.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 7:06:29 AM EDT
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Rich target.  You need a broken down KIA, and maybe a hyundai.  A beat up 1983 Ford Escort would be perfect.
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Every fucking day. Nice comfortable jeans nice lightweight tennis shoes that work in an office polo shirts and button downs that look good untucked. Hair that can be combed. Clean shaven. A honda and a Volvo.

Under the shirt a rigger belt on the jeans with crossbreed super tuck holding a g19. Fobus double mag holder. Boker auto knife.

Costco backpack for car. Trauma kit and first aid kit. Case of wlamart water in each car.

Blending is what I do best, invisible camouflage. Every day. Then if and when the s hits the f blending will be easy.



Rich target.  You need a broken down KIA, and maybe a hyundai.  A beat up 1983 Ford Escort would be perfect.


Not for where I live, It is a lower end reasonable representation of what people have.

escalades are only the medium end of what people have here.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 7:28:11 AM EDT
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When warding off predatory people, I have always found it is best to look big, aware, ready and armed.  Weakness attracts them more than anything else.  Being a "gray man" with these types of people seems to be largely irrelevant.  I don't think anyone is more or less likely to get attacked depending on what they drive or how they dress.  The one thing that could make you stand out is the one thing you can't change - your race.

When dealing with the authorities, it is best to appear unobtrusive, cooperative, unarmed, nonthreatening and friendly.  They react very negatively to defiance and weapons.  The "gray man" seems to apply here.

In my (limited) experience, the approach needed in dealing with predators and authorities is almost exactly opposite.  Which are you more worried about?

It would be very confusing dealing with predatory authorities.

Would SHTF turn normal people into predators?  I don't know myself.  If it did, I have my doubts that "gray man" would help.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 7:51:44 AM EDT
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Nobody notices the short slightly overweight middle-aged white guy.   I almost got "GRAYMAN" for my license plate but thought it would be defeating of the concept.
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Depends on where you are at the time. Are you stuck in Los Angeles on vacation? Atlanta on a business trip? Some places you will stick out more than others. Just a fact.

 
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 8:33:08 AM EDT
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Perhaps not using cool guy phrases like "gray man" and replace it will normal language like ......"look normal" would be beneficial. But you wouldn't get a virtual fashion thread disguised as an SF thread. Its not really that complicated. Do people REALLY need to be told how to not look like a wanna be operator in public and how to blend in and look average?

Maybe I'm just too simple at times. Of course I also don't have a closet full of 5.11 clothes and cool guy man bags, backpacks and tac vests I want to wear when I go run errands.

Link Posted: 7/29/2014 9:22:00 AM EDT
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f I had nothing, and wanted something, and the way to get something was taking from others, then I would look for those that had something.

How can I tell who has something? Maybe I should look for those who look like they have their act together.

A guy with a milspec back pack and nice rifle? And all I have is a POS shotgun and 3 shells? How about I hit that guy in an ambush and take his stuff? Then I'm better off.


That doesn't represent my thinking, but that of many others around.


It doesn't represent your thinking because you're not a criminal thug.  They think differently and look for easy targets.   They instinctively know the guy that looks like they have their act together is the guy that might just kill them, so they move on to easier pickings.
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f I had nothing, and wanted something, and the way to get something was taking from others, then I would look for those that had something.

How can I tell who has something? Maybe I should look for those who look like they have their act together.

A guy with a milspec back pack and nice rifle? And all I have is a POS shotgun and 3 shells? How about I hit that guy in an ambush and take his stuff? Then I'm better off.


That doesn't represent my thinking, but that of many others around.



It doesn't represent your thinking because you're not a criminal thug.  They think differently and look for easy targets.   They instinctively know the guy that looks like they have their act together is the guy that might just kill them, so they move on to easier pickings.




Folks might be making a potentially fatal mistake...

By putting themselves into the mind of another.



Link Posted: 7/29/2014 10:12:52 AM EDT
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Perhaps not using cool guy phrases like "gray man" and replace it will normal language like ......"look normal" would be beneficial. But you wouldn't get a virtual fashion thread disguised as an SF thread. Its not really that complicated. Do people REALLY need to be told how to not look like a wanna be operator in public and how to blend in and look average?

Maybe I'm just too simple at times. Of course I also don't have a closet full of 5.11 clothes and cool guy man bags, backpacks and tac vests I want to wear when I go run errands.

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Sorry you didn't like this topic.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 10:13:09 AM EDT
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Thanks for bringing some levity to the discussion.  

Some folks take themselves so seriously and have been immersed in ( fill in blank here )  so long they can't see what they look like to the outside observer.






 
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Even in that scenario you could take steps to blend in: torn over-sized clothing, dirty skin, little soot under the eyes, fake distended bellies for the kiddos, ect...

Part of me thinks that most people will have moved on well before everyone in the neighborhood looks like living skeletons.

Thanks for bringing some levity to the discussion.  

Some folks take themselves so seriously and have been immersed in ( fill in blank here )  so long they can't see what they look like to the outside observer.






 


Was worried the lack of a smiley would throw people.
Link Posted: 7/29/2014 10:17:07 AM EDT
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When warding off predatory people, I have always found it is best to look big, aware, ready and armed.  Weakness attracts them more than anything else.  Being a "gray man" with these types of people seems to be largely irrelevant.  I don't think anyone is more or less likely to get attacked depending on what they drive or how they dress.  The one thing that could make you stand out is the one thing you can't change - your race.

When dealing with the authorities, it is best to appear unobtrusive, cooperative, unarmed, nonthreatening and friendly.  They react very negatively to defiance and weapons.  The "gray man" seems to apply here.

In my (limited) experience, the approach needed in dealing with predators and authorities is almost exactly opposite.  Which are you more worried about?

It would be very confusing dealing with predatory authorities.

Would SHTF turn normal people into predators?  I don't know myself.  If it did, I have my doubts that "gray man" would help.
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I would think most shtf scenarios if going on long enough could easily turn people into predators. How long would ebt have to be off before the riots and looting started? And you are right I think no matter what you looked like it wouldn't matter.
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