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Posted: 3/6/2024 5:14:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: smeeg]
China finally got it right.
Anolog/DMR(digital) Ip67 Text message SMS USB-C TRI band uhf/vhf 220 (136-174MHz 222MHz-225MHz 400-520MHz) AES-256 encryption Front panel programmable Proper multpin waterproof accessory/speaker mic port. (Motorola m3)  Retevis Ailunce HD2 DMR Ham Radio OH8STN blog about ailunce HD2 eBay currently has a 20% off coupon |
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Posted: 3/6/2024 6:28:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shootindave]
[#1]
Why does arfcom not want me to have money?
Photo looks like it might be the same pin set as the TYT-2017 radio??  Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 3/6/2024 6:58:12 PM EDT
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It uses the Motorola m3 plug (legacy hd1 accessories are the same)
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Posted: 3/6/2024 7:04:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: It uses the Motorola m3 plug (legacy hd1 accessories are the same) |
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USA
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Posted: 3/6/2024 8:12:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: smeeg]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: That's the M5 connector, the M3 was the one used on Jedi/XTS radios and is different. I’m going off disco32 Disco32 ailunce PTT |
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Posted: 3/6/2024 8:27:52 PM EDT
[#5]
When encryption is enabled are SMS and GPS position transmissions encrypted, or just voice?
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USA
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Posted: 3/6/2024 8:46:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: smeeg]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aa777888-2: When encryption is enabled are SMS and GPS position transmissions encrypted, or just voice? GPS is receive only. most likely the SMS is not encrypted like all the other Chinese DMR radios but I’m guessing. |
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Posted: 3/6/2024 9:24:07 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: GPS is receive only. most likely the SMS is not encrypted like all the other Chinese DMR radios but I'm guessing. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2024 11:59:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: GPS is receive only. most likely the SMS is not encrypted like all the other Chinese DMR radios but I’m guessing. Almost all ham equipment that has GPS is receive only. There are some HTs and many mobiles that can transmit via APRS, but they don't send signals back through any other special means. I will say it is nice to see more HTs that are IP67 with USB-C charging. Makes it much easier to recharge in the field without having to lug around a bunch of spare batteries or a weird charger base. |
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Posted: 3/7/2024 7:31:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkLordVader: With the exception of the tyt-uv390+ which does encrypt SMS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkLordVader: Originally Posted By smeeg: GPS is receive only. most likely the SMS is not encrypted like all the other Chinese DMR radios but I'm guessing. Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/7/2024 8:47:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: Why does arfcom not want me to have money? Photo looks like it might be the same pin set as the TYT-2017 radio?? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_5088_jpeg-3151324.JPG Yes the 2017 uses the Moto M3 connector. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/8/2024 2:18:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkLordVader: With the exception of the tyt-uv390+ which does encrypt SMS. Is the encryption on that aes256? I don't see tge encryption type listed in the description. |
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Posted: 3/8/2024 7:59:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By benb: Is the encryption on that aes256? I don't see tge encryption type listed in the description. We did a thread on this. https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/Update-to-TYT-MD-UV390/22-705717/ |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/8/2024 8:40:43 AM EDT
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That’s pretty cool. Surprised the gov allowed them to import this. Heck I’m surprised China allowed them to make it
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Posted: 3/8/2024 10:32:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DarkLordVader]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By taliv: That's pretty cool. Surprised the gov allowed them to import this. Heck I'm surprised China allowed them to make it China would love to become the hardware supplier for secure critical communication infrastructure.  |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/8/2024 11:44:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By taliv: That’s pretty cool. Surprised the gov allowed them to import this. Heck I’m surprised China allowed them to make it Pretty much any MOTOTRBO-compliant radio allows for AES encryption. And there's a lot of them that have been imported. This isn't the first, and definitely not the last. DMR allows encryption because the standard supports it, and I believe there are police in Europe who use it as their digital trunked solution (like our public safety does with P25). Tier III DMR is comparable to P25 systems in function. |
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Posted: 3/8/2024 11:26:38 PM EDT
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Might be a good radio but that generic Chinese font..
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USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:37:22 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:39:08 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 3/11/2024 10:59:47 PM EDT
[#19]
Mars mod
“You can spread the frequency band by following the steps below: Press Menu+6+turn on the radio, enter the password 654321. choose the frequency range you want to use” |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 12:50:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shootindave]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: Retevis Ailunce HD2 AES256 Encryption clarification So they released the radio without a fully functioning firmware. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 1:15:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: smeeg]
[#21]
Latest firmware with AES
Google drive. ***USE AT YOUR OWN RISK/PERIL***.: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RwnUAzRy3KNVKW02viRnwankRLQ5yGol/view  Ailunce HD2 Firmware Update |
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USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 1:16:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: So they released the radio without a fully functioning firmware. Pretty much China is going to China were the beta testers |
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Posted: 3/19/2024 5:05:58 PM EDT
[#23]
What's interesting is that I'm seeing some incompatibility between radios when it comes to encryption (just in what I'm reading).
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/19/2024 7:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: What's interesting is that I'm seeing some incompatibility between radios when it comes to encryption (just in what I'm reading). Yes. Depends upon standard. Typical DMR is RC4 only which is a joke for encryption, it's easily crackable (and has been for a while). Some use AES, mostly those that use the MOTOTRBO standard. Those that use the same standard, though, should have no issues talking to each other over encrypted channels. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/23/2024 10:12:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: smeeg]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: What's interesting is that I'm seeing some incompatibility between radios when it comes to encryption (just in what I'm reading). Anytone 878 Anytone 578 Btech 6x2 Radiodity AT-10G TYT md-390plus Maxon MDP-6000 Hytera All the HP series radios Ailunce hd2 Retevis P1 Retevis RT50 A bunch of Motorola DMR radios I don’t know the model # of ^ All the DMR aes-256 radios that are interoperable that I know of. |
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Posted: 3/23/2024 10:22:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: Anytone 878 Anytone 578 Btech 6x2 Radiodity AT-10G TYT md-390plus Maxon MDP-6000 Hytera All the HP series radios Ailunce hd2 Retevis P1 Retevis RT50 A bunch of Motorola DMR radios I don’t know the model # of ^ All the DMR aes-256 radios that are interoperable that I know of. Good info, thank you. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:55:02 PM EDT
[#27]
 Retevis Ailunce HD2 IARU Frequency Expansion 2160p |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 11:36:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: What's interesting is that I'm seeing some incompatibility between radios when it comes to encryption (just in what I'm reading). How are they loading keys between different brands? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 10:28:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkLordVader: With the exception of the tyt-uv390+ which does encrypt SMS. Interesting.... The TYT UV390+ having SMS encryption is sure handy, but it doesn't look as durable as the HD2. Question being, is it better to have a lower end radio with SMS encryption, or a higher end with cleartext SMS? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 10:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: How are they loading keys between different brands? You don’t use a Keyloader with DMR like p25 you use the CPS to load keys with DMR |
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USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 10:31:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: smeeg]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NAM: Interesting.... The TYT UV390+ having SMS encryption is sure handy, but it doesn't look as durable as the HD2. Question being, is it better to have a lower end radio with SMS encryption, or a higher end with cleartext SMS? For me the Proper multpin waterproof accessory/speaker mic port On the hd2 is more important than encrypted SMS also keep in mind from what I’ve read all the Chinese radio SMS are unreliable except the hyteras. Instagram Chinese SMS unreliable |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 11:07:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: You don’t use a Keyloader with DMR like p25 you use the CPS to load keys with DMR And you can load the same key to different brands of radios? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 8:20:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: smeeg]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: And you can load the same key to different brands of radios? Correct just use random numbers & letters or use a online key generator Something like this |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 8:31:58 AM EDT
[#34]
Buddy bought 2 and sent them back.
The spurious emissions is what he didn’t like. Unsure if he used the aes functions. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:42:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg: Correct just use random numbers & letters or use a online key generator Something like this You can download and run the same things locally (openssl), or just make up something with no pattern. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:23:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkLordVader: No. Don't ever use online cryptography if it matters. Do you know who owns or runs that site, or if they log and sell the IP+password data?  The Ultimate Insult - May God Have Mercy On Your Soul - Billy Madison (Academic Decathlon) Logging IP and password data means precisely dick. There's virtually no one that could use that in an attack since it would require knowing who is behind a particular IP (and that's basically impossible since 99.9999% of home connections are essentially DHCP, and if you're doing mobile now you throw NAT into that mix as well) and I sincerely doubt they store that information beyond transactional purposes, ie what's needed to serve it to you. Anywhere that's important for a TLA to monitor they've already got a backdoor into or an agreement with the service operator. This isn't one they care about. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 6:18:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DarkLordVader]
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 Attached FileHaving worked in the cyber and network security field for many decades, I have opinions of my own. Coming up with a random key that nobody knows on your own is simple. Being lazy and sharing with an unknown 'service' on the internet defeats the whole purpose. Here's who runs that 'service'. ACTE Technology Co., Ltd. HP Tower, 7th floor, 60 Nguyen Van Thu, D1 Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 11:56:59 AM EDT
[#38]
No doubt.
I don't need a computer or a website to just randomly write "3AH6G2BB1........" |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 3:17:27 PM EDT
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I'm about the pull the trigger on one of these. Anyone have one yet? I'd be interested to hear some thoughts. 1 Amazon review talks about spurious emissions....
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Posted: 4/12/2024 7:01:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Sent mine back to Amazon....I didn't care for it.
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Posted: 4/16/2024 1:55:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9-Bob: Sent mine back to Amazon....I didn't care for it. That's a bummer. What did you not like about it? I was excited about the Motorola connector and bluetooth :( |
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