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Posted: 11/5/2014 3:30:30 PM EDT
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Need to push for the legislature to ammend the onerous transfer provisions of this thing. won't happen without NRA support. amending within 2 years requires 2/3 majority in both houses. after 2 years its simple majority. Don't give up, keep it a constant part of the conversation. If the resistance dies down they will assume capitulation and acceptance of the new status quo. This is crucial. I agree they have won a battle but not the war. The Secretary of State website has some interesting information. Also the voter turnout in No 594 Counties was decent Voter Turnout Personally I am going to try to get the word out better to people I know who are pro-gun next time. I found out a few people voted Yes but didn’t read the initiative. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 3:33:36 PM EDT
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won't happen without NRA support. amending within 2 years requires 2/3 majority in both houstes. after 2 years its simple majority. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Need to push for the legislature to ammend the onerous transfer provisions of this thing. won't happen without NRA support. amending within 2 years requires 2/3 majority in both houstes. after 2 years its simple majority. How big of a role did the NRA play in the SBR and supressor changes? (Serious question. Not trying to be a sarcastic.) Also, we should start thinking about tactics if they ram a mag ban through next. (Besides moving) Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 3:40:23 PM EDT
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So, if I'm flying out to Texas for a hog hunt, how do I transfer my firearms to the TSA without running afoul of 594? That transfer happens on the non-sterile State controlled side of the airport. And upon my return, how do I transfer the firearms back to my custody? I'd be down for a test run 
In all seriousness someone might have to take one for the team to point out how blatantly ridiculous this law is |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 4:10:47 PM EDT
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You can still buy a crossbow and some mean broadheads on amazon prime though
IT'S A LOOPHOLE 
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Posted: 11/5/2014 4:22:23 PM EDT
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Forgive my ignorance but doesn't this still need to be signed by the governor? What's the likelihood he doesn't sign it into law?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 4:28:07 PM EDT
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Forgive my ignorance but doesn't this still need to be signed by the governor? What's the likelihood he doesn't sign it into law? No, it already went through the legislative process for initiatives so it's a done deal. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 4:43:39 PM EDT
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How big of a role did the NRA play in the SBR and supressor changes? (Serious question. Not trying to be a sarcastic.) None. Zip. Nada. In fact we didn't want them involved because of the negative attention they would have brought. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 4:57:09 PM EDT
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If you guys are curious how some "pro-2A" feel about 594 and happen to be on reddit, just check out some of the responses in the WA_guns subreddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/WA_guns/comments/2lbdtc/i591_i594_elections_results_thread/ Fucking pathetic. People voting no on 591 and actually defending 594. Bitching about the NRA and how they don't support them, yet they better help with the lawsuit. WA is a lost cause. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 5:03:51 PM EDT
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So wouldn't it be possible to get an initiative on the ballot that addresses the more Nazi provisions of this bill? Something more intelligently worded than 591 was?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 5:08:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you guys are curious how some "pro-2A" feel about 594 and happen to be on reddit, just check out some of the responses in the WA_guns subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/WA_guns/comments/2lbdtc/i591_i594_elections_results_thread/ Fucking pathetic. People voting no on 591 and actually defending 594. Bitching about the NRA and how they don't support them, yet they better help with the lawsuit. WA is a lost cause. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 5:45:33 PM EDT
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My Dad always said to "Vote" with my money. Anyone who backed the "Yes on I-594" with money that has a business will not see a Dime from me ever or use there products/software/aps etc.
Did Apple support I-594? Or Google? |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 6:07:20 PM EDT
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My Dad always said to "Vote" with my money. Anyone who backed the "Yes on I-594" with money that has a business will not see a Dime from me ever or use there products/software/aps etc. Did Apple support I-594? Or Google? "Microsoft" for sure |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 6:16:45 PM EDT
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Are there any of these valid for a law suit against 594:
1. Single subject "restriction" on initiatives, since 594 deals with sales and transfers, for example 2. Any equal protection issues? 3. Any ambiguous/vague/overly broad things that make enforcement/prosecution of the law open for abuse/selective enforcement? I will support the public disobedience of the law ala the CO folks who handed mags in a circle near the CO gov't buildings. I think openly demonstrating how stupid this law is with regards to transfers is the only way the media will cover this correctly. Is it legally possible (well, save for 594) to hand a bolt action or break action firearm in a circle anywhere in Olympia or Seattle? |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 6:33:04 PM EDT
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Are there any of these valid for a law suit against 594: 1. Single subject "restriction" on initiatives, since 594 deals with sales and transfers, for example 2. Any equal protection issues? 3. Any ambiguous/vague/overly broad things that make enforcement/prosecution of the law open for abuse/selective enforcement? I will support the public disobedience of the law ala the CO folks who handed mags in a circle near the CO gov't buildings. I think openly demonstrating how stupid this law is with regards to transfers is the only way the media will cover this correctly. Is it legally possible (well, save for 594) to hand a bolt action or break action firearm in a circle anywhere in Olympia or Seattle? 3 could very well apply here, but does someone need to actually be charged in a test case? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 6:34:43 PM EDT
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So lets say someone attacks me a pulls a gun.
I wrestle with them and take the gun away. Am I now in violation of 594 for transferring the gun without a background check? |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 6:36:16 PM EDT
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You can still buy a crossbow and some mean broadheads on amazon prime though
IT'S A LOOPHOLE And I can mail order a muzzle loader right to my house! |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 6:42:19 PM EDT
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So lets say someone attacks me a pulls a gun. I wrestle with them and take the gun away. Am I now in violation of 594 for transferring the gun without a background check? Oddly, that may fall under the exception for imminent self defense, although the attacker is the one transferring it to you it doesn't say he has to do so willingly (c) A temporary transfer of possession of a firearm if such transfer is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to the person to whom the firearm is transferred if: (i) The temporary transfer only lasts as long as immediately necessary to prevent such imminent death or great bodily harm; and (ii) The person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; I think they've screwed themselves with the complexity of the exceptions. For example I think anyone could fall under the following exception with nearly zero effort. We are all members of the arfcom performance group that re-enacts being free americans with their bill of rights in tact. We are constantly re-enacting, and never stop. We have an organized membership on this forum and practice religiously: (iii) if the temporary transfer occurs and the transferee's possession of the firearm is exclusively at a lawful organized competition involving the use of a firearm, or while participating in or practicing for a performance by an organized group that uses firearms as a part of the performance; |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 6:51:19 PM EDT
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Oddly, that may fall under the exception for imminent self defense, although the attacker is the one transferring it to you it doesn't say he has to do so willingly (c) A temporary transfer of possession of a firearm if such transfer is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to the person to whom the firearm is transferred if: (i) The temporary transfer only lasts as long as immediately necessary to prevent such imminent death or great bodily harm; and (ii) The person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So lets say someone attacks me a pulls a gun. I wrestle with them and take the gun away. Am I now in violation of 594 for transferring the gun without a background check? Oddly, that may fall under the exception for imminent self defense, although the attacker is the one transferring it to you it doesn't say he has to do so willingly (c) A temporary transfer of possession of a firearm if such transfer is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to the person to whom the firearm is transferred if: (i) The temporary transfer only lasts as long as immediately necessary to prevent such imminent death or great bodily harm; and (ii) The person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; Oh, then never mind. I'm good with it...
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Posted: 11/5/2014 7:04:05 PM EDT
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Random question...
So, if a student 18 or younger on public school property (including, but not limited to, buildings, sporting arenas, buses and others), posses a firearm regardless of purpose. If a school employee manages to get them to hand it over, is the employee now in violation of 594? 
The provision for passing a gun to a youth (under 18) only applies to transferring it *to* the youth, and only for hunting/sporting/education type stuff under supervision. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 7:15:27 PM EDT
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Keep coming up with scenarios.
These thought experiments help put the worst provisions of this law into plain language context for the general population and are good examples to use when corresponding with legislators. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 7:15:30 PM EDT
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So, if I'm flying out to Texas for a hog hunt, how do I transfer my firearms to the TSA without running afoul of 594?
That transfer happens on the non-sterile State controlled side of the airport. And upon my return, how do I transfer the firearms back to my custody? There is an exemption about Federal Officials being exempt from the transfer requirements, part 4 section B, so the TSA having custody is fine, but I don't see how claiming your own firearm at the baggage check can be covered by this exemption, since the TSA doesn't have custody of it at that point. Or the airlines getting the bags when the TSA is done with them. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 8:05:01 PM EDT
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What of hospitals? I was recently treated for an arm injury (I got in a fight with a table saw. Final score was Table Saw: 1, Me: 0); I normally carry a pocket knife and that night was no exception. With my arm VISIBLY deformed from swelling (I suspected it was fractured) they would not let me past the front door until I struggled to remove the knife despite being in pain and barely able to move my arm. The knife was placed in a locker by a generic security officer - not a WSP, local PD or Sheriff.
Now, if we change knife to gun, and move forward in time to when 594 is in effect, won't I be faced with the decision of either committing a misdemeanor (or felony) AND causing the security officer to do the same, or going without treatment? What happens when I'm on a gurney and unconscious because I was in a car accident and armed when I arrive in the ambulance at the hospital? Won't all of these constitute transfers? |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 8:05:45 PM EDT
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And so it begins:
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politicsnorthwest/2014/11/05/i-594-supporters-to-push-for-more-gun-laws-in-olympia/ |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 8:14:26 PM EDT
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And so it begins: http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politicsnorthwest/2014/11/05/i-594-supporters-to-push-for-more-gun-laws-in-olympia/ I'm on a phone. Would someone hotlink this? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 8:27:11 PM EDT
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I'm on a phone. Would someone hotlink this? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And so it begins: http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politicsnorthwest/2014/11/05/i-594-supporters-to-push-for-more-gun-laws-in-olympia/ I'm on a phone. Would someone hotlink this? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile made it hot http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politicsnorthwest/2014/11/05/i-594-supporters-to-push-for-more-gun-laws-in-olympia/ |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 8:41:50 PM EDT
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What of hospitals? I was recently treated for an arm injury (I got in a fight with a table saw. Final score was Table Saw: 1, Me: 0); I normally carry a pocket knife and that night was no exception. With my arm VISIBLY deformed from swelling (I suspected it was fractured) they would not let me past the front door until I struggled to remove the knife despite being in pain and barely able to move my arm. The knife was placed in a locker by a generic security officer - not a WSP, local PD or Sheriff. Now, if we change knife to gun, and move forward in time to when 594 is in effect, won't I be faced with the decision of either committing a misdemeanor (or felony) AND causing the security officer to do the same, or going without treatment? What happens when I'm on a gurney and unconscious because I was in a car accident and armed when I arrive in the ambulance at the hospital? Won't all of these constitute transfers? Along these lines, what happens if an officer decides to hang onto your firearm during a stop for "officer safety". Was that an illegal transfer? How about when he gives it back? |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 8:56:16 PM EDT
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I'm also thinking a big "transfer party" to slam the DOL with pistol forms. 1.) I'll get a cheap handgun from one of my suppliers 2.) I'll have a bound book dedicated to just this one pistol 3.) Get a bunch of us together, and we all start filling out the Pistol Transfer form and 4473. Maybe have it change hands 5 to 10 times a day, but not often enough to the same person to trigger the Multi handgun form. 4.) Every week, send in 35 to 70 pistol transfer forms for this one pistol to the DOL 5.) Keep it going as long as possible. In other words, let's bury them in paperwork! Shit, I think they are already one year behind on entering forms (based on one that round tripped to me because I missed a field.....) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Time for a little civil disobedience. I say we go down to Olympia just like we did for the rallies, then continuously "transfer" guns amongst ourselves. This is yours, that's mine, here take this, can I borrow that... I'm also thinking a big "transfer party" to slam the DOL with pistol forms. 1.) I'll get a cheap handgun from one of my suppliers 2.) I'll have a bound book dedicated to just this one pistol 3.) Get a bunch of us together, and we all start filling out the Pistol Transfer form and 4473. Maybe have it change hands 5 to 10 times a day, but not often enough to the same person to trigger the Multi handgun form. 4.) Every week, send in 35 to 70 pistol transfer forms for this one pistol to the DOL 5.) Keep it going as long as possible. In other words, let's bury them in paperwork! Shit, I think they are already one year behind on entering forms (based on one that round tripped to me because I missed a field.....) Update: I'm calling it Operation Paper Chase. Davidson's has a cheap 22LR revolver available, it's on my next order ($125 for some Chiappa something or other) I need to get more PTF's from the state first though. I'm  that is has to come to this, but I look forward to making a mockery of it!
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:03:04 PM EDT
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I don't see the deluge of transfer forms as very visible. The passing of guns back and forth on the Capitol lawn sounds more appealing if the media shows up.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:08:09 PM EDT
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I don't see the deluge of transfer forms as very visible. The passing of guns back and forth on the Capitol lawn sounds more appealing if the media shows up. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Well then, we better Get Jesse too! 
I think we can certainly do both though, and more. I agree, not terribly visible. Maybe we video it and post it on YouTube. Buyer 1: "Hey, let me that revolver?" FFL: "Wait, let's do the paperwork first" FFL: "Done, here you go" Buyer 2: "Ohhh, let me see it!" FFL: "Wait, let's do the paperwork first" FFL: "Done, here you go" Rinse and Repeat Maybe we can use it with the Legislature to get them motivated to "unfuck" it faster? |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:16:17 PM EDT
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Update: I'm calling it Operation Paper Chase. Davidson's has a cheap 22LR revolver available, it's on my next order ($125 for some Chiappa something or other) I need to get more PTF's from the state first though. I'm that is has to come to this, but I look forward to making a mockery of it!Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Time for a little civil disobedience. I say we go down to Olympia just like we did for the rallies, then continuously "transfer" guns amongst ourselves. This is yours, that's mine, here take this, can I borrow that... I'm also thinking a big "transfer party" to slam the DOL with pistol forms. 1.) I'll get a cheap handgun from one of my suppliers 2.) I'll have a bound book dedicated to just this one pistol 3.) Get a bunch of us together, and we all start filling out the Pistol Transfer form and 4473. Maybe have it change hands 5 to 10 times a day, but not often enough to the same person to trigger the Multi handgun form. 4.) Every week, send in 35 to 70 pistol transfer forms for this one pistol to the DOL 5.) Keep it going as long as possible. In other words, let's bury them in paperwork! Shit, I think they are already one year behind on entering forms (based on one that round tripped to me because I missed a field.....) Update: I'm calling it Operation Paper Chase. Davidson's has a cheap 22LR revolver available, it's on my next order ($125 for some Chiappa something or other) I need to get more PTF's from the state first though. I'm that is has to come to this, but I look forward to making a mockery of it!
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:23:57 PM EDT
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Don't register shit.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 9:47:40 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear this guys.
I read the OP's post and it just kills me how they falsely lead people to believe that online sales don't require a background check. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:32:14 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear this guys. I read the OP's post and it just kills me how they falsely lead people to believe that online sales don't require a background check. Or Gunshows - FFLs have to NICS no matter where they sell (gunshow, shop, kitchen table), and WAC requires it for membership and requires WAC membership to buy or sell. The word transfer was never uttered in the ads, yet is makes up the bulk of the legislation. Sheep can be manipulated by emotional pleas very easily. My wife just ran in to one this evening (a Millennial girl of course) |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:33:59 PM EDT
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I heard something on KOMO radio this morning about Alan Gottlieb possibly filing legislative action against I-594. I can't specifically remember what the news report said, but it sounded liked at least a slim chance...? Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 10:58:04 PM EDT
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I heard something on KOMO radio this morning about Alan Gottlieb possibly filing legislative action against I-594. I can't specifically remember what the news report said, but it sounded liked at least a slim chance...? Does this sound familiar to anyone else? Called my representatives today.. They share our concern, frustration, and anger. They are waiting for legislative action to start. However, leadership and immediate action is needed by more senior legislators. Please call your representatives. The fact that Washington state liberty and freedom was just manipulated and bought with socialist money and lies from the other side of the continent, should not be tolerated. We need to follow Colorado's lead if we want to stop this, and fix the situation. Colorado has shown the way out with a grass-roots effort. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 12:54:17 AM EDT
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Called my representatives today.. They share our concern, frustration, and anger. They are waiting for legislative action to start. However, leadership and immediate action is needed by more senior legislators. Please call your representatives. The fact that Washington state liberty and freedom was just manipulated and bought with socialist money and lies from the other side of the continent, should not be tolerated. We need to follow Colorado's lead if we want to stop this, and fix the situation. Colorado has shown the way out with a grass-roots effort. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard something on KOMO radio this morning about Alan Gottlieb possibly filing legislative action against I-594. I can't specifically remember what the news report said, but it sounded liked at least a slim chance...? Does this sound familiar to anyone else? Called my representatives today.. They share our concern, frustration, and anger. They are waiting for legislative action to start. However, leadership and immediate action is needed by more senior legislators. Please call your representatives. The fact that Washington state liberty and freedom was just manipulated and bought with socialist money and lies from the other side of the continent, should not be tolerated. We need to follow Colorado's lead if we want to stop this, and fix the situation. Colorado has shown the way out with a grass-roots effort. Mine will hear from me. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 12:57:59 AM EDT
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I heard something on KOMO radio this morning about Alan Gottlieb possibly filing legislative action against I-594. I can't specifically remember what the news report said, but it sounded liked at least a slim chance...? Does this sound familiar to anyone else? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I heard something on KOMO radio this morning about Alan Gottlieb possibly filing legislative action against I-594. I can't specifically remember what the news report said, but it sounded liked at least a slim chance...? Does this sound familiar to anyone else? Legislative? I thought that could not happen for two years. I thought that legal action would be best since it's now shown that they can bypass the legislature. Quoted:
Are there any of these valid for a law suit against 594: 1. Single subject "restriction" on initiatives, since 594 deals with sales and transfers, for example 2. Any equal protection issues? 3. Any ambiguous/vague/overly broad things that make enforcement/prosecution of the law open for abuse/selective enforcement? I will support the public disobedience of the law ala the CO folks who handed mags in a circle near the CO gov't buildings. I think openly demonstrating how stupid this law is with regards to transfers is the only way the media will cover this correctly. Is it legally possible (well, save for 594) to hand a bolt action or break action firearm in a circle anywhere in Olympia or Seattle? Where did these qualifiers come from anyway? |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:35:30 AM EDT
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The non compliance rally went from about 20 people saying yes to going to over 3k in just this evening/ night with 30K+ invited.....
If even just 10% turn out that would still be a sizable group... and I imagine it'll just get larger. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:41:37 AM EDT
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PM a bro?
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:42:56 AM EDT
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The non compliance rally went from about 20 people saying yes to going to over 3k in just this evening/ night with 30K+ invited..... If even just 10% turn out that would still be a sizable group... and I imagine it'll just get larger. Details? |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:45:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:55:52 AM EDT
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For those of us without Facebook
I Will Not Comply Saturday, 13 December at 1100 at the Capitol in Olympia |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 2:14:05 AM EDT
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T shirt design
Front I Will Not Comply WA 594 (logo) Back “I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 6:34:55 AM EDT
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Hmmm..
Thinking about it, if we are forced to go through an FFL, then what about the Use Tax? Do we have to pay Use Tax since WA FFL's are required to collect taxes, whether we have a receipt showing taxes were paid by the original owner of the gun? Ugh... |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 7:13:27 AM EDT
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Legislative? I thought that could not happen for two years. I thought that legal action would be best since it's now shown that they can bypass the legislature. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard something on KOMO radio this morning about Alan Gottlieb possibly filing legislative action against I-594. I can't specifically remember what the news report said, but it sounded liked at least a slim chance...? Does this sound familiar to anyone else? Legislative? I thought that could not happen for two years. I thought that legal action would be best since it's now shown that they can bypass the legislature. legislative can happen with a 2/3 majority in both houses. would be difficult but possible with NRA support pressuring our representatives. Quoted:
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Are there any of these valid for a law suit against 594: 1. Single subject "restriction" on initiatives, since 594 deals with sales and transfers, for example 2. Any equal protection issues? 3. Any ambiguous/vague/overly broad things that make enforcement/prosecution of the law open for abuse/selective enforcement? I will support the public disobedience of the law ala the CO folks who handed mags in a circle near the CO gov't buildings. I think openly demonstrating how stupid this law is with regards to transfers is the only way the media will cover this correctly. Is it legally possible (well, save for 594) to hand a bolt action or break action firearm in a circle anywhere in Olympia or Seattle? Where did these qualifiers come from anyway? you need a WA AG published opinion stating that those are transfers under 594. otherwise, you're going to hand guns around in a circle and LEO will do absolutely nothing. you'll simply hand a PR victory to MDA/WAGR who have been saying all along that "marely handing a gun to someone is not a transfer". and you'll look foolish. get the WA AG opinion that handing a gun is a transfer. THEN do your civil disobedience. otherwise, your plan with backfire. you'll play right into their hands. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 10:40:42 AM EDT
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Hmmm.. Thinking about it, if we are forced to go through an FFL, then what about the Use Tax? Do we have to pay Use Tax since WA FFL's are required to collect taxes, whether we have a receipt showing taxes were paid by the original owner of the gun? Ugh... And FFLs can simply refuse to do checks for transfers. This law does not establish a mechanism to facilitate the checks. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 10:42:55 AM EDT
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Hmmm.. Thinking about it, if we are forced to go through an FFL, then what about the Use Tax? Do we have to pay Use Tax since WA FFL's are required to collect taxes, whether we have a receipt showing taxes were paid by the original owner of the gun? Ugh... 594 said FFL dealers not to collect SALES tax on private-party transfers, however no mention of Use tax. That is part that scares me. Now they have registry, how many pies will state try putting their fingers in for unpaid use tax on all these new firearm transfers? |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 11:42:39 AM EDT
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you need a WA AG published opinion stating that those are transfers under 594. otherwise, you're going to hand guns around in a circle and LEO will do absolutely nothing. you'll simply hand a PR victory to MDA/WAGR who have been saying all along that "marely handing a gun to someone is not a transfer". and you'll look foolish. get the WA AG opinion that handing a gun is a transfer. THEN do your civil disobedience. otherwise, your plan with backfire. you'll play right into their hands. So, how do we go about getting that? Write a letter to the AG? |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 11:45:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And FFLs can simply refuse to do checks for transfers. This law does not establish a mechanism to facilitate the checks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hmmm.. Thinking about it, if we are forced to go through an FFL, then what about the Use Tax? Do we have to pay Use Tax since WA FFL's are required to collect taxes, whether we have a receipt showing taxes were paid by the original owner of the gun? Ugh... And FFLs can simply refuse to do checks for transfers. This law does not establish a mechanism to facilitate the checks. Norpoints post pissed me off. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 12:12:39 PM EDT
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Too bad Many FF:'s are going use this as a windfall if they can. Norpoints post pissed me off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hmmm.. Thinking about it, if we are forced to go through an FFL, then what about the Use Tax? Do we have to pay Use Tax since WA FFL's are required to collect taxes, whether we have a receipt showing taxes were paid by the original owner of the gun? Ugh... And FFLs can simply refuse to do checks for transfers. This law does not establish a mechanism to facilitate the checks. Norpoints post pissed me off. Link? |
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