Well they were the posts on that thread which have been deleted & the ones I have an issue with.

Andy.

I am sure nothing that has / was posted about Hungerford, has not been studied and planned for by the UK Police and Security Services. Nothing new there.

However, a thread on the 'Unicorn' and questions about it's acceptance by ACPO / Home Office is relevant as people need to be sure that they won't be without a firearm or out of pocket if it gets 'pulled'

I hope it doesn't as I want to try one, and if I like it, perhaps purchase one.  

I'm not disputing any of that, it just bugs me that some shooters post on open forums to make themselves look clever without thinking who may be reading.

Andy.

I don't want one. I had one of his Lever Action 9mm, it sat in the safet for two years before I moved it on having never fired it. Just not my thing.

This talk of whether or not a particular firearm or particular firearm "action" being more or less suitable for crime is pointless.

Its got nothing to do with firearms. Homicidal intent has been around a lot longer than firearms. Even if firearms were not available, an unhinged individual with homicidal intent could kill just as effectively by driving his car at speed down a city centre pavement at rush hour. Or running amok through a crowd with a machette.

As to whether anything said in debate on this forum or another will influence the legislators - I dont think so.

There is only one section one firearm freely available which is causing concern at the moment to many in the anti-firearm world - thats the high capacity shotgun.

Mark my words, the section one shotgun has more chance of being declared "especially dangerous" than the Unicorn.

The Especially dangerous section of the act is not the point of concern.....

And what concern would that be........that UKPSA are going to take over the world............

Which leads back to the whole UKPSA/black rifle debate - which lead to the majority of the posters on this board being banned from airgun bullshit bingo dot com. The UKPSA has worked very hard to destroy the link between timed, high cap shotgun target shooting with anything tactical/military. Which is their prerogative. Personally, I don't see what difference wearing trainers and a t-shirt will make in preventing section 1 shotguns being banned.

With the invention of the Unicorn; there was always going to be debate about the legality of a rifle that was essentially designed to get around firearms legislation brought in following a lunatic going on the rampage. I personally hope that it is successful; as I am sure the vast majority of shooters are. However; it is going to take a little time for all of the constabularies and the HO to see it and make a decision. Somewhere down the line, someone with no knowledge, experience or interest in guns is probably going to question the legality of it.

In my opinion, a debate about the suitability of a firearm for crime is about as pointless as a debate on the benefits of a black sky at night. Criminals have and will continue to acquire firearms outside of any legislation that the government can dream up; regardless of the penalty. Since these people cannot be controlled, the liberal (media included) will look to attack law abiding shooters - as in their book, we are all potential Michael Ryans, all it will take is a bad day at the office for us to go postal. It's pointless trying to avoid debate on this - as you can bet that liberals like the GCN aren't - they won't stop until you have to have a license for a potato gun. What's more, I think that it is highly unlikely that any debate held on a shooting forum is going to make any difference. We are all well aware what is deemed "acceptable conduct" by the powers that be and so if people want to make comments that could land them in trouble; then that it up to them; as long as nothing libelous is said that could land the site owner in trouble.

What appears to have happened here (and I can only go on what has been said on here - as I am one of the "banned of brothers") is that someone has again flexed his e-muscles once a forum has strayed away from it's usual circle jerk conversations about shooting a polar bear at 500 yds with a .17 hmr into some healthy debate.

It's so true

Oi, I regularly take part in those debates, thank you very much.

Andy.

Is it usually a mass-debate...




E.T.A. .....after reading SF's warning at the top of the very first post.........

Any further reports on the 9mm Mr Mousegunner..?.....

He's not the only who frequents here that has one.

Not been back up the range yet.

But I did ascertain from FB that should I get the 7am knock and the rifle pulled that he would give me back my money in the event that its declared as being in contravention of the Firearms Act as amended.

Personally I believe that it falls within the current act as a section 1 firearm. The lock back system has been well engineered and the construction seems to be very robust.  Its not a semi and IMHO would take a certain amount of tinkering to become one. Lets face it it would be quicker and easier to saw the barrel /wrist brace of a Taurus LBR. But who the fuck would want to do that.

But having shot it all I can say is that it does not need tinkering with; other than to get the bolt to go forward  when it locks back occasionally

Not ACPO
I'll wait a bit longer

Paid for it by credit card so should have some protection from them as well

What other forum, I feel some Baz baiting coming on.

...has Baz not heard of the internet?

And SB cannot read obviously

Aha - that explains why there is no mention of the lever release rifle on the SGC magazine adverts. In case any plod read those magazines.

That's precisely why I stear clear of that forum.  That idiot Baz is off his rocker and he's part of the problem, not the solution.......  So what if the Police read it?  Perhaps they should be welcomed into healthy and open debate, cos that's how issues get resolved......... lock out the regulator from our discussions and all you do is breed mistrust, become some sort of bullshit schoolboy secret society incapable of engaging and working with the regulator and as a result lose out because they think you are hiding something.

I was talking to an FLO the other week about it and he said (unprompted) that the utter bloody nonsense talked on Airgun BS was quite startling.  It's clear that half the people posting haven't got a clue and those that do have half an Idea like that Neil chappie lead the other plebs on a merry dance to the bullshit song.

As for the value of the site, there really isn't any.  If you can't have open dabate without the Baztapo getting bent out of shape and going full retard with the ban hammer then what's the point???

I'm quite happy with ARFCOM and it's cynical, ironic sense of humour, and favour the Moderator Lite version of free speech.

As for the Unicorn - it's new, it's a variation on a theme and all the paranoid icrap s getting a bit old.  I wondered if it would ever come to fruition and it has. As far as I'm concerned it's an innovative design and good luck to FB and his customers.

o , I just heard the word  "Baz" and have to tag this for more fun







the utter bloody nonsense talked on Airgun BS was quite startling





a winner I think we have





it is funny that all of the members on this site never try to hide what we think and know that if it was looked at by the plod none of it would be looked at in a bad light , but with all the edits over on the bs site you could not say the same .





funny old world







john



edit to say somthing about the gun. .



urmm , looks nice

The paranoia is a result of speculation due to the lack of information. A rod for one's own back springs to mind.....

ps: I think it's a nice idea too

At my last renewal I invited the officer that conducted my interview to come clay shooting. As it will mean that he gets to know some of the people he licenses better and will greatly increase his gun knowledge. The fact that the vast majority of licensing officers have no interest in shooting is so bizarre it's frightening. They wouldn't let you loose in a motorway patrol car if you didn't know how to drive it properly; so why have officers who know nothing about guns in licensing? It ridiculous policies like that which lead to CCTV operators getting shot.

You are right about the rod for his own back........but then again, does he owe ARFCOM or any other forum an explanation?..probably not.  And even if he did, the nature of forums is that they will always find something to niggle at.

I think it's great when the FLO's come down to our club but they don't half get it in the neck from some of the guys who lost their pistols - I find it a bit awkward because all the FLO's are doing is their job.

It's the nameless, faceless  shitheads at the home orrifice that deserve the grief.  They are the ones that have implemented crap legislation, using a crap framework and even worse guidance in a kneejerk reaction to a non existent threat in order to pander to brainwashed hysterical sheeple who will flock in their millions to watch a film where there are criminals engaged in gratuitous violence with the use of fireams in public streets, but wanted to see all guns banned from licensed law abiding people on authorised ranges.

Share the love - hug an FLO.

Dammit......... double tap again

I agree, Bob doesn't owe anyone on Arfcom or anywhere else an explanation, but I would have thought keeping interested parties fully informed about technical and legal aspects would not be much to ask...

Yes, strange that, given that the front page of a certain website is sooo informative about lower receivers from other sources

Well have just returned from the range, as accurate as the unicorn is, unfortunately the lack of reliability to release the bolt is starting to become very annoying and somewhat tiresome .

I spent about 10 minutes at the beginning of the shooting session trying to get the bolt to release and a further 15 or so at the end of the night trying to establish what the problem is.

It appears that the lever release when pressed is not allowing the locking mechanism (fitted inside the lower receiver) to clear the engagement face on the underside of the bolt, on closer inspection of the bolt engagement face it would appear that the locking sear on the lower receiver is not making contact across the entire  bolt engagement face as indicated by a build up of GSR in approx 25% of the LHS of the face.

Apart from this, the rifle when functioning correctly it  is excellent; we shot an EPP match tonight and I dropped 7 points total 6 of these were during a left (weak) shoulder/hand string.

I will talk to FB tomorrow to see if he has any idea how this issue may be rectified


The rifle has now had 350 rounds through it and has been cleaned twice

Barrel is 16"?...our old AUG's in 9mm had 19" barrels and were really good out to 100m...

Ok so it's 13.25 "........the point is 9mm goes ok out of a long barrel..

Well I spoke to FB and he has asked me to return the rifle to him so that he can make the required mod to ensure the problem goes away.

Watch this space

that'll be another 7 years then

Good luck with that!!!!

I see a couple of pics on here in the pic thread (like Mousegunners below) with Unicorn's without the circular freefloat Hogue style handguards, now Bob is not keen to interrupt his production line to do this so is it a simple matter of barrel nut removal and replacing with new handguards & nut ? then slipping an A frame foresight onto the barrel ?

yer but do it anyway




 

May have to get in touch with the resident plumber regarding a replacment fore-end, don't want it ending up with a scaffold pole covering the barrel.

Is this a good reason to get a drum mag, has anyone else in the UK used one on 9mm ?
http://dynamicarmament.com/items/c-mag/colt-9mm-beta-c-mag-clear-plate-detail.htm

Already using one. The colt 9mm tower fits the magwell perfectly. Having used one for several weeks with no stoppages i'd say it works !

Just to get this straight - the Colt 100 rd mag fits and functions perfectly in an SGC Unicorn? Any photos of it all together please?? I've been promised delivery of mine next week (Merry Xmas) by SGC, fingers crossed. The only thing that has been bugging me is that the 9mm mag looks all wrong in an AR magwell, I was going to try and fab up a cover using a straight 20 round mag but looking at that drum mag its problem solved!!

Please try to post a pic.

Please streetfighterclause, I have been a good boy all year, can I have a mid length rail for my Unicorn, and maybe some BUIS so I can ditch the crap ebay optics and scaffold pole fore end.



Looks crap, ace fun to shoot though !!

Thats all he's got now, forged machined lowers or something like that, see why I need a nice fore end to draw your eye from the ugly bits.

+1

I thought it was me for a minute, but the original pics show a normal lower. Doesn't that rather screw up a magwell hold? Looks kak too. Are they the same lowers he's currently uisng for .223's?

How long is that barrell ?
Well done on getting one , enjoy