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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:18:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: You can make the argument all rights are illusory, but women’s rights definitely are. Let’s think this through logically. In order for a right to exist, it must be enforced. To enforce a right, you must use force. Force is entirely under the dominion of men. For example, if all men woke up tomorrow and decided women no longer had rights, there is nothing women could do to stop it. Alternatively, if women woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, they would be unable to enforce it because men could easily stop it. That brings me to my last point, feminism. Feminism can only exist as long as men allow it to exist. Take your typical feminist. They claim they live in an oppressive patriarchal structure. How do they combat it? By using men in this patriarchal structure to fight against it to push their feministic ideals. It’s quite ironic. Thus, most women in positions of power are merely wielding the levers of power to create additional illusory rights that don’t and couldn’t actually exist. all right are illusory. only the concept of the right exists in the mind. this concept exists as long as the mind thinks it whether the right is enforced or not . force is not entirely under the dominion of men. if all men wake up and decide women no longer have rights, any women could use logic and reasoning to "stop it". stopping it would be defined as convincing a man to decide that women do have rights. if all women on the planet woke up tomorrow and decided men no longer had rights, "stopping it" would not be easy for anyone. feminism only exists as a concept. it can exist even if men do not allow it to exist. all rights are illusory. they don't and can't exist in reality. they exist only conceptually in our minds. human rights. mens' rights. womens' rights. feminists' rights. all the same. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:22:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QueenDeNile: Individually yes but not collectively. This is probably why we didn't win in Afghanistan or most of the past modern wars. We were collectively stronger but we weakened ourselves by adhering to rules that are counterproductive in war. Women will never be able to over power men. I think it's asinine when action films showing a woman beating up a man. It's ridiculous, yes there are some women who are stronger than some men but on a whole we would get our asses handed to us. I believe most men think women are valuable and I wish more women would appreciate that and perpetuate more commonality. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QueenDeNile: Originally Posted By Fugger: All this is pretty stupid. It just boils down to stronger/more violent people will always (be able to) subjugate those weaker or less inclined. Any counterarguments made against that could also apply to women. Correct. The top 10% of women, when it comes to strength are about as strong as the bottom 10% of men. Women need men, and men need women. That whole yin/yang thing. 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:22:47 PM EDT
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I will accept less rights if other people also accept less rights.
No rights for anyone |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:22:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Dude we're not doing the gay on purpose war culture, stop Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Boom_Stick: Men are even better at being women. Thats what GD told me Dude we're not doing the gay on purpose war culture, stop You may get co-opted and not have the right to refuse |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:24:17 PM EDT
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Politicians don't have rights
Citizens don't have rights The military doesn't have rights Cops have no rights Literally no one has rights. Sounds pretty awesome tbh |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:24:32 PM EDT
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What a great thread, with some great points, and some seriously epic butt hurt.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: You may get co-opted and not have the right to refuse Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Boom_Stick: Men are even better at being women. Thats what GD told me Dude we're not doing the gay on purpose war culture, stop You may get co-opted and not have the right to refuse Damn Greeks with your gay wars |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:25:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: If we have a gender war I'm only joining if the men's side is basically entirely based on Rome. I mean I'm 90% sure it would be anyways but that's a requirement for me. Also whatever pistol is issued we're naming it Gladius This is really a fighter vs. wizard DnD thread. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:25:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Throughout most of history, men didn't have rights either. And the women in the Middle East to a degree do have some Riggs. They don't look like ours, but they also aren't wholesale locked in cages. Mostly. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:27:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: You may get co-opted and not have the right to refuse |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:28:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thepantydropper: It’s a deductive argument. The intent isn’t that it would prove Gods existence. Merely meant to show someone could argue that’s it’s more probably than not if they defended those statements. I came up with it on a whim, it’s not something I would seriously entertain or defend in a debate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By switchtanks: Came in to post something similar to this https://mediaproxy.snopes.com/width/1200/https://media.snopes.com/2022/06/george-carlin-quote.png This pernicious idea is false, and destructive, in the same way that the communist ignorance of the fact that humans aren't going to change is destructive. Simply: force - power - (especially human force) is not what makes something real or not real. If it did, the person with the most force would define reality. That means if you could be coerced into saying males are females, that would mean reality itself would change for you, and males WOULD be females. When people try and put forward this idea that force creates a thing or can remove a thing, they're directly propagating clown world, even if they intend to do the exact opposite. Being able to implement a thing or not able to implement a thing does not touch on the existence or reality of that thing. This is a basic fact about reality that must be grasped and applied. So if someone forced you to drink your own urine, that wouldn’t be real? Society’s insistence and putting trans/LGBTQ propaganda in all forms of media isn’t real? I don’t believe a trans female is a female, it doesn’t make it any less real that it’s happening because the powers that be have decided to use “political and social” force to push their narrative. You're making a category error. Your being forced to do something does not make the "right" itself that would be said to represent real. You have to stop and seperate these things, you can't just assume it and ignore the gears underneath. ------------------------- Realize, you are confusing the right, with the act of using it. They are not the same thing. ----------------------- A hole in the ground is not the shovel that dug the hole. You are saying the shovel is made real or not real by the act of the hole being dug. No, the shovel can be real even if the hole is never dug. Even if you're not allowed to use it. I see it inversely. The hole cannot be dug without the shovel. The shovel is force, the hole is the right. Don't be obtuse and run off on a tangent to avoid the conclusion. What youv'e just said doesn't even apply here, it's just a distraction. Force is that which uses the shovel (the right in question). The hole being dug is is simply the act of the shovel being implemented. If you don't use the shovel to make the hole, the shovel (the right) still exists. We don't make the rights. Creation itself doesn't make the rights. *God does.* Because he actually defines what is and what is not. His nature defines reality. Now we are going into a theological discussion which we would likely agree on. Perhaps we could formulate it into a deductive argument as follows 1. If god does not exist, human rights do not exist. 2. Human rights do exist 3. Therefore God exists I suspect the Atheist would attack claim 2 and it would be difficult to objectively prove that human rights exist. That said, as a Christian I do believe those rights exist immaterial to the physical world. However, that does not lessen the argument that “good” men must enforce those rights. eh, you can't prove God does or does not exist. You can show that rights are rationally consistent with God's existence, than you can take the other person's attempted justification for why rights exist based off of what they say, and show the errors in what they're saying. But you can't prove God exists or doesn't, because in order to prove something, you have to go to a higher authority than that thing to make the proof. To prove something is an inch, you need a ruler which is more authoritiative. God is the authority beyond which there is no higher authority. See the problem? It’s a deductive argument. The intent isn’t that it would prove Gods existence. Merely meant to show someone could argue that’s it’s more probably than not if they defended those statements. I came up with it on a whim, it’s not something I would seriously entertain or defend in a debate. I was pointing otu that it's not deductive because it's illogical and thus the argument can't work. When you deduct something, you make the conclusion a necessary conclusion that you cannot in any way avoid, if you accept that the premises at the start were true. It extorts the other into having to accept the conclusion, at the risk of a mental break otherwise. If they dont' agree with the truth of your starting premises, though, it has no force. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:28:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: There's always someone bigger.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Naamah: You may get co-opted and not have the right to refuse To the OP's salient point, prison is proof of that. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:29:17 PM EDT
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Perhaps you are not familiar with the concept of inalienable rights, the philosophical underpinning of this country’s existence
I’m sorry she won’t fuck you bro but that doesn’t mean the Declaration of Independence is illegitimate |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:29:37 PM EDT
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It's not your butthole if you can't protect it
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:30:22 PM EDT
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Islam
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: Perhaps you are not familiar with the concept of inalienable rights, the philosophical underpinning of this country’s existence I’m sorry she won’t fuck you bro but that doesn’t mean the Declaration of Independence is illegitimate It does, sorry. Those are just words on a page that can be violated at any time with force, and have been. Growing wheat on your own property violates interstate commerce. The government says so, so it is, words on a page mean nothing. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:31:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WhiskersTheCat]
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Also the declaration of independence (lmao I can't believe you used that example)
 Literally then the British said "these are stupid words on a page, we're going to kill you" And then we killed better so we won |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:32:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: There's always someone bigger.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Naamah: You may get co-opted and not have the right to refuse Okay, now I'm wet. Keep talking. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:32:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Also the declaration of independence (lmao I can't believe you used that example) Literally then the British said "these are stupid words on a page, we're going to kill you" And then we killed better so we won Aristocracy and anarchy are two gay tips of a horseshoe dick |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:33:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lug1: What a great thread, with some great points, and some seriously epic butt hurt. This thread is another classic GD dumpster fire that makes gun owners look like Neanderthals. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: It does, sorry. Those are just words on a page that can be violated at any time with force, and have been. Growing wheat on your own property violates interstate commerce. The government says so, so it is, words on a page mean nothing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Perhaps you are not familiar with the concept of inalienable rights, the philosophical underpinning of this country’s existence I’m sorry she won’t fuck you bro but that doesn’t mean the Declaration of Independence is illegitimate It does, sorry. Those are just words on a page that can be violated at any time with force, and have been. Growing wheat on your own property violates interstate commerce. The government says so, so it is, words on a page mean nothing. Good ol wickard v filburn, fuck SCOTUS. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:33:29 PM EDT
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The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance"
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:34:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Women could in theory just set up L shaped ambushes everywhere but then men would fight through them as doctrine states so I'm still not really sure they'd win. Men would also probably have ISR Yeah but women have C4 The three early communication technologies were telegraph, telephone, and tellawoman |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:36:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Yeah but women have C4 The three early communication technologies were telegraph, telephone, and tellawoman Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Women could in theory just set up L shaped ambushes everywhere but then men would fight through them as doctrine states so I'm still not really sure they'd win. Men would also probably have ISR Yeah but women have C4 The three early communication technologies were telegraph, telephone, and tellawoman The CIA set up a spy in Germany in WW2 and she established a brothel and only let diseased girls sleep with Germans. That's just....I mean. I hate the intelligence community but that's brilliantly devious |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:37:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance" You are asserting that the philosophy and morality which underpins any action is fake and gay and meaningless, which is ridiculous. You spend great deal of time reading classics of western philosophy which is apparently a colossal waste of time if their thoughts are completely inconsequential |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:38:20 PM EDT
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Philosophy without action is meaningless
Action without philosophy is also meaningless |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:38:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: This is really a fighter vs. wizard DnD thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: If we have a gender war I'm only joining if the men's side is basically entirely based on Rome. I mean I'm 90% sure it would be anyways but that's a requirement for me. Also whatever pistol is issued we're naming it Gladius This is really a fighter vs. wizard DnD thread. DND is demonic, made to lure man away from the one true God. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:38:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance"  |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:38:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: Good ol wickard v filburn, fuck SCOTUS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Perhaps you are not familiar with the concept of inalienable rights, the philosophical underpinning of this country’s existence I’m sorry she won’t fuck you bro but that doesn’t mean the Declaration of Independence is illegitimate It does, sorry. Those are just words on a page that can be violated at any time with force, and have been. Growing wheat on your own property violates interstate commerce. The government says so, so it is, words on a page mean nothing. Good ol wickard v filburn, fuck SCOTUS. 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:39:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: Perhaps you are not familiar with the concept of inalienable rights, the philosophical underpinning of this country’s existence I’m sorry she won’t fuck you bro but that doesn’t mean the Declaration of Independence is illegitimate It assumes unverified facts and is not peer reviewed. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: You are asserting that the philosophy and morality which underpins any action is fake and gay and meaningless, which is ridiculous. You spend great deal of time reading classics of western philosophy which is apparently a colossal waste of time if their thoughts are completely inconsequential Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance" You are asserting that the philosophy and morality which underpins any action is fake and gay and meaningless, which is ridiculous. You spend great deal of time reading classics of western philosophy which is apparently a colossal waste of time if their thoughts are completely inconsequential The thoughts are VERY important. But you have to also realize that you have to have enforcement mechanisms. And if you give those enforcement mechanisms power, they in turn can decide to be who decides the law as well as who enforces it. (Looks to ATF) |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:40:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Shake: Oh look, another women-hating thread in GD. Say all men decide to revoke the "rights" of women. What would happen if women decided they were no longer going to give birth? Suddenly people wouldn't have the right to even exist. It's as equally retarded/plausible as OP's scenario. lol Pointing out reality is apparently women hating. Also, isn't it weird how societies where women have less rights (Africa, The Middle East) they all have a way higher birthrate? I'm sure those aren't connected at all. oh and as for your scenario, wouldn't happen because they wouldn't get a choice. Men bring home all the food and keep them safe, they refuse to do their part for the tribe they just starve or get kicked out. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:40:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The CIA set up a spy in Germany in WW2 and she established a brothel and only let diseased girls sleep with Germans. That's just....I mean. I hate the intelligence community but that's brilliantly devious 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Shake: I hope this is satire. This thread is another classic GD dumpster fire that makes gun owners look like Neanderthals. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Shake: Originally Posted By Lug1: What a great thread, with some great points, and some seriously epic butt hurt. This thread is another classic GD dumpster fire that makes gun owners look like Neanderthals. We should all have evolved bud some people haven't. They are relics of a bygone era, thankfully forgotten. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:41:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: George 3 "oh! I didn't know they were inalienable...My bad." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance" Geez why didn't we try that |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:43:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: I mean, giving Germans syphilitic insanity....classic OSS, not looking at the knock on effects.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The CIA set up a spy in Germany in WW2 and she established a brothel and only let diseased girls sleep with Germans. That's just....I mean. I hate the intelligence community but that's brilliantly devious It would have been so cool if we were able to stay out of it for a few more years. The Eastern front was a beautiful place where millions of National Socialists and Communists killed each other |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:44:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The thoughts are VERY important. But you have to also realize that you have to have enforcement mechanisms. And if you give those enforcement mechanisms power, they in turn can decide to be who decides the law as well as who enforces it. (Looks to ATF) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance" You are asserting that the philosophy and morality which underpins any action is fake and gay and meaningless, which is ridiculous. You spend great deal of time reading classics of western philosophy which is apparently a colossal waste of time if their thoughts are completely inconsequential The thoughts are VERY important. But you have to also realize that you have to have enforcement mechanisms. And if you give those enforcement mechanisms power, they in turn can decide to be who decides the law as well as who enforces it. (Looks to ATF) Enforcement mechanisms which ultimately reduce down to the individual level, where one derives his or her right to defend themselves and their rights from their own inherent self-worth, not their physical ability. If that right does not exist on the individual level it cannot apply on a broader societal level |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:46:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: Okay, now I'm wet. Keep talking.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:47:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: I hear that makes it easier.....we'll tell your story! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By -daddy: Okay, now I'm wet. Keep talking. 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:51:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: Enforcement mechanisms which ultimately reduce down to the individual level, where one derives his or her right to defend themselves and their rights from their own inherent self-worth, not their physical ability. If that right does not exist on the individual level it cannot apply on a broader societal level Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance" You are asserting that the philosophy and morality which underpins any action is fake and gay and meaningless, which is ridiculous. You spend great deal of time reading classics of western philosophy which is apparently a colossal waste of time if their thoughts are completely inconsequential The thoughts are VERY important. But you have to also realize that you have to have enforcement mechanisms. And if you give those enforcement mechanisms power, they in turn can decide to be who decides the law as well as who enforces it. (Looks to ATF) Enforcement mechanisms which ultimately reduce down to the individual level, where one derives his or her right to defend themselves and their rights from their own inherent self-worth, not their physical ability. If that right does not exist on the individual level it cannot apply on a broader societal level Rights do not exist, period. They simply do not exist. Society making some up and enforcing them can be good, but the government doing so is usually a shitshow. The 2nd only exists because there's just a bunch of retards like us with guns running around. Which is awesome, I love having a bunch of guns. But that doesn't make the second amendment real. It's been violated a bunch of times. It's not a right. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:53:46 PM EDT
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I mean I've gone to court to argue it's a right, but basically what that is is diplomacy to the existing power structure. That's what court is. You're asking, you're bargaining.
I mean no one has a right to destroy a small town in Colorado with a bulldozer but it turns out if you have an armored bulldozer you get to make the rules until you become stuck in a basement |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:54:10 PM EDT
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Women don't even possess the grip strength to manipulate most things required to live
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:58:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thepantydropper: Proving my point more? The courts are force, backed by men. The woman cannot force her husband to sleep in the garage, she has to introduce the force of the state to enforce the situation you just described. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By Bat15: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By Bat15: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By HangfiresGhost: You'd be trading your weapon for a piece of ass on day two. He who controls the power controls the ass. Tell us the truth. Do you think we live in the state of nature? You are talking like a caveman. The might makes right idea died man moved from the state of nature to civilized society. A given person maybe the strongest man the tribe but he is not stronger than the majority of the tribe. Sure we have criminals who do what they want until society stops them. Don’t count on a Soros DA or some liberal governor saving you. Even sheep have teeth. I think we live in a societal illusion. It works in so long as men continue to play the game. The minute that men refuse to enforce those laws, society breaks down. Tell us what happens when the wife tells her husband to sleep in the garage? Keep in mind that the courts will back her. She goes to the cops, he gets to pay child support until the kids are 18 and see them every other week if he is lucky. Proving my point more? The courts are force, backed by men. The woman cannot force her husband to sleep in the garage, she has to introduce the force of the state to enforce the situation you just described. We no longer live in the state of nature, we live in a civilized society. Society will enforce the established rules. Maybe you think all the men will stand by and do nothing when someone, male or female, decides to break them. What do you think happens when the 98 pound weakling is pushed around by the Charles Atlas? Society steps in and Mr. Atlas pays the price. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKac: Women don't even possess the grip strength to manipulate most things required to live Here hon, open the pickle jar. By the way hon, don’t you know women run the world? I made you open the pickle jar for me. This thread so far. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Rights do not exist, period. They simply do not exist. Society making some up and enforcing them can be good, but the government doing so is usually a shitshow. The 2nd only exists because there's just a bunch of retards like us with guns running around. Which is awesome, I love having a bunch of guns. But that doesn't make the second amendment real. It's been violated a bunch of times. It's not a right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance" You are asserting that the philosophy and morality which underpins any action is fake and gay and meaningless, which is ridiculous. You spend great deal of time reading classics of western philosophy which is apparently a colossal waste of time if their thoughts are completely inconsequential The thoughts are VERY important. But you have to also realize that you have to have enforcement mechanisms. And if you give those enforcement mechanisms power, they in turn can decide to be who decides the law as well as who enforces it. (Looks to ATF) Enforcement mechanisms which ultimately reduce down to the individual level, where one derives his or her right to defend themselves and their rights from their own inherent self-worth, not their physical ability. If that right does not exist on the individual level it cannot apply on a broader societal level Rights do not exist, period. They simply do not exist. Society making some up and enforcing them can be good, but the government doing so is usually a shitshow. The 2nd only exists because there's just a bunch of retards like us with guns running around. Which is awesome, I love having a bunch of guns. But that doesn't make the second amendment real. It's been violated a bunch of times. It's not a right. A right isn’t “the ability to do something,” it’s the idea that you should be allowed to do something even if someone is preventing you from doing so (which is what violating a right is). If violating a right causes that right to no longer exist, then it is absurd on its face to claim that a right has been violated. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:02:22 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: A right isn’t “the ability to do something,” it’s the idea that you should be allowed to do something even if someone is preventing you from doing so (which is what violating a right is). If violating a right causes that right to no longer exist, then it is absurd on its face to claim that a right has been violated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance" You are asserting that the philosophy and morality which underpins any action is fake and gay and meaningless, which is ridiculous. You spend great deal of time reading classics of western philosophy which is apparently a colossal waste of time if their thoughts are completely inconsequential The thoughts are VERY important. But you have to also realize that you have to have enforcement mechanisms. And if you give those enforcement mechanisms power, they in turn can decide to be who decides the law as well as who enforces it. (Looks to ATF) Enforcement mechanisms which ultimately reduce down to the individual level, where one derives his or her right to defend themselves and their rights from their own inherent self-worth, not their physical ability. If that right does not exist on the individual level it cannot apply on a broader societal level Rights do not exist, period. They simply do not exist. Society making some up and enforcing them can be good, but the government doing so is usually a shitshow. The 2nd only exists because there's just a bunch of retards like us with guns running around. Which is awesome, I love having a bunch of guns. But that doesn't make the second amendment real. It's been violated a bunch of times. It's not a right. A right isn’t “the ability to do something,” it’s the idea that you should be allowed to do something even if someone is preventing you from doing so (which is what violating a right is). If violating a right causes that right to no longer exist, then it is absurd on its face to claim that a right has been violated. You're getting there. "An idea you should be allowed..." That's not a right. Criminals defend themselves from other criminals with illegal guns every day, all of which is illegal, none of it holds up to law, but it occurs and it is the law of the land. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:03:37 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: A right isn’t “the ability to do something,” it’s the idea that you should be allowed to do something even if someone is preventing you from doing so (which is what violating a right is). If violating a right causes that right to no longer exist, then it is absurd on its face to claim that a right has been violated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The British didn't say "oh man wooooow bro great points you can govern yourself guys sorry we just didn't know man. We just needed some great words on a page, here's your self governance" You are asserting that the philosophy and morality which underpins any action is fake and gay and meaningless, which is ridiculous. You spend great deal of time reading classics of western philosophy which is apparently a colossal waste of time if their thoughts are completely inconsequential The thoughts are VERY important. But you have to also realize that you have to have enforcement mechanisms. And if you give those enforcement mechanisms power, they in turn can decide to be who decides the law as well as who enforces it. (Looks to ATF) Enforcement mechanisms which ultimately reduce down to the individual level, where one derives his or her right to defend themselves and their rights from their own inherent self-worth, not their physical ability. If that right does not exist on the individual level it cannot apply on a broader societal level Rights do not exist, period. They simply do not exist. Society making some up and enforcing them can be good, but the government doing so is usually a shitshow. The 2nd only exists because there's just a bunch of retards like us with guns running around. Which is awesome, I love having a bunch of guns. But that doesn't make the second amendment real. It's been violated a bunch of times. It's not a right. A right isn’t “the ability to do something,” it’s the idea that you should be allowed to do something even if someone is preventing you from doing so (which is what violating a right is). If violating a right causes that right to no longer exist, then it is absurd on its face to claim that a right has been violated. Your idea of Rights is totally flawed anyways because you're arguing from the positive. Rights should be argued from the negative |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:04:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bat15: We no longer live in the state of nature, we live in a civilized society. Society will enforce the established rules. Maybe you think all the men will stand by and do nothing when someone, male or female, decides to break them. What do you think happens when the 98 pound weakling is pushed around by the Charles Atlas? Society steps in and Mr. Atlas pays the price. What happens to the 98 weakling is entirely dependent on the character and physical capacity of the people around Mr. Atlas at the time. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:05:36 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: A right isn't "the ability to do something," it's the idea that you should be allowed to do something even if someone is preventing you from doing so (which is what violating a right is). If violating a right causes that right to no longer exist, then it is absurd on its face to claim that a right has been violated. Don't mind him....he's just a Roman farmer. pfft!
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:07:16 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: we live in a civilized society because we have delegated violence to government. When government doesn't clock in when we need them to, society regresses pretty quickly. What happens to the 98 weakling is entirely dependent on the character and physical capacity of the people around Mr. Atlas at the time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Bat15: We no longer live in the state of nature, we live in a civilized society. Society will enforce the established rules. Maybe you think all the men will stand by and do nothing when someone, male or female, decides to break them. What do you think happens when the 98 pound weakling is pushed around by the Charles Atlas? Society steps in and Mr. Atlas pays the price. What happens to the 98 weakling is entirely dependent on the character and physical capacity of the people around Mr. Atlas at the time. Indeed. We will always live in a state of nature. Luckily we are the only animals to possess rational thinking, should we choose to use it. The world and people within it are becoming less rational, thus negating a nice society |
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