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Posted: 3/23/2024 10:21:04 PM EDT
Was thinking on why, around the 1700's or so, people started dumping the monarch system, and also began to question slavery. Up to then, slavery was just an accepted institution; ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, and onward, it was simply seen as normal. Too, if you had a lousy monarch/emperor, you just had to grin & bear it, and simply hope their son/daughter wasn't such a piece of shit.
You could say that the industrial revolution rendered slavery obsolete... but that didn't really start until the 1850's or so. Too, we dumped our monarch in 1776, the French in 1789, and I'm sure there were others. Hell, even the English had the Magna Carta in 1215. Something moar had to be at play. Then, from the dusty, alcohol-sodden dark corridors of my brain, a phrase I vaguely remembered emerged... "The age of enlightenment". Yep, that was it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment The Age of Enlightenment or the Enlightenment, also known as the Age of Reason, was an intellectual and philosophical movement that occurred in Europe, especially Western Europe, in the 17th and 18th centuries, with global influences and effects. The Enlightenment's starting point was the secular world, and included a range of ideas centered on the value of human happiness, the pursuit of knowledge obtained by means of reason and the evidence of the senses, and ideals such as natural law, liberty, progress, toleration, fraternity, constitutional government, and separation of church and state.  A variety of 19th-century movements, including liberalism, socialism, and neoclassicism, trace their intellectual heritage to the Enlightenment. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:58:34 AM EDT
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^Bump^ for the day crew
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:27:15 PM EDT
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Whelp, by Gawd, even @RustedAce spake against enlightenment in the commienism thread!!!
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:32:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M1907Sling: I don't think the age of enlightenment gets near the face time and credit that it deserves. The Enlightenment was pure evil. It divorced man from spirituality, family, tradition and wonder. It rendered everyone a individual godless animal with no purpose. It created liberalism which leads inevitably to the dead soulless materialistic managerialism you see today. Slavery was outlawed in England in 1080 by William the Conquerer. Enlightenment ideals have nothing to do with ending slavery, Christian ideals did, there and worldwide. The 100s of millions dead from communism are pure distilled Enlightenment. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:43:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: The Enlightenment was pure evil. It divorced man from spirituality, family, tradition and wonder. It rendered everyone a individual godless animal with no purpose. It created liberalism which leads inevitably to the dead soulless materialistic managerialism you see today. Slavery was outlawed in England in 1080 by William the Conquerer. Enlightenment ideals have nothing to do with ending slavery, Christian ideals did, there and worldwide. The 100s of millions dead from communism are pure distilled Enlightenment. Thank you. OP Read some Locke then move on to the degenerate "enlightenment" philosophers that followed and see if you can spot where things went wrong. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:47:55 PM EDT
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Best place for pancakes.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Best place for pancakes. I understood that reference. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:59:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M1907Sling: Was thinking on why, around the 1700's or so, people started dumping the monarch system, and also began to question slavery. Up to then, slavery was just an accepted institution; ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, and onward, it was simply seen as normal. Too, if you had a lousy monarch/emperor, you just had to grin & bear it, and simply hope their son/daughter wasn't such a piece of shit. You could say that the industrial revolution rendered slavery obsolete... but that didn't really start until the 1850's or so. Too, we dumped our monarch in 1776, the French in 1789, and I'm sure there were others. Hell, even the English had the Magna Carta in 1215. Something moar had to be at play. Then, from the dusty, alcohol-sodden dark corridors of my brain, a phrase I vaguely remembered emerged... "The age of enlightenment". Yep, that was it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment The Age of Enlightenment or the Enlightenment, also known as the Age of Reason, was an intellectual and philosophical movement that occurred in Europe, especially Western Europe, in the 17th and 18th centuries, with global influences and effects. The Enlightenment's starting point was the secular world, and included a range of ideas centered on the value of human happiness, the pursuit of knowledge obtained by means of reason and the evidence of the senses, and ideals such as natural law, liberty, progress, toleration, fraternity, constitutional government, and separation of church and state. A variety of 19th-century movements, including liberalism, socialism, and neoclassicism, trace their intellectual heritage to the Enlightenment. “Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.” |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:01:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Best place for pancakes. Hang on, Voltaire |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:02:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: Hang on, Voltaire 
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:03:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:05:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: The Enlightenment was pure evil. It divorced man from spirituality, family, tradition and wonder. It rendered everyone a individual godless animal with no purpose. It created liberalism which leads inevitably to the dead soulless materialistic managerialism you see today. Slavery was outlawed in England in 1080 by William the Conquerer. Enlightenment ideals have nothing to do with ending slavery, Christian ideals did, there and worldwide. The 100s of millions dead from communism are pure distilled Enlightenment. Nope The enlightenment freed men from a life based on ignorant superstitions and pointless traditions and gave him a rational basis for his existence. Embracing rationality is what showed men that they had a purpose as sentient beings, and that they are not just animals gazing at the heavens and wondering why the sky is blue. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:06:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoStaticAtAll: “Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoStaticAtAll: Originally Posted By M1907Sling: Was thinking on why, around the 1700's or so, people started dumping the monarch system, and also began to question slavery. Up to then, slavery was just an accepted institution; ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, and onward, it was simply seen as normal. Too, if you had a lousy monarch/emperor, you just had to grin & bear it, and simply hope their son/daughter wasn't such a piece of shit. You could say that the industrial revolution rendered slavery obsolete... but that didn't really start until the 1850's or so. Too, we dumped our monarch in 1776, the French in 1789, and I'm sure there were others. Hell, even the English had the Magna Carta in 1215. Something moar had to be at play. Then, from the dusty, alcohol-sodden dark corridors of my brain, a phrase I vaguely remembered emerged... "The age of enlightenment". Yep, that was it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment The Age of Enlightenment or the Enlightenment, also known as the Age of Reason, was an intellectual and philosophical movement that occurred in Europe, especially Western Europe, in the 17th and 18th centuries, with global influences and effects. The Enlightenment's starting point was the secular world, and included a range of ideas centered on the value of human happiness, the pursuit of knowledge obtained by means of reason and the evidence of the senses, and ideals such as natural law, liberty, progress, toleration, fraternity, constitutional government, and separation of church and state. A variety of 19th-century movements, including liberalism, socialism, and neoclassicism, trace their intellectual heritage to the Enlightenment. “Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.” "And let's not forget, let's not forget!" |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Best place for pancakes. Is St. Alphonzo's   Frank Zappa - Saint Alphonzo's Pancake Breakfast |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:16:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearjammer351: rational basis for his existence. Embracing rationality The concept that a human can be rational is self-evidently false. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:17:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: The concept that a human can be rational is self-evidently false. Ignorance is strength |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: The concept that a human can be rational is self-evidently false. For you, perhaps. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:20:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nehi: Ignorance is strength Believing human beings can be rational is to be ignorant of all of history and to be blind to your current surroundings. It’s the pinnacle of delusion. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:22:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Believing human beings can be rational is to be ignorant of all of history and to be blind to your current surroundings. It’s the pinnacle of delusion. You're a shitty historian and a terrible philosopher |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:22:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nehi: You're a shitty historian and a terrible philosopher And yet correct. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:46:56 PM EDT
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Any man can rationalize anything through reason thus the complete shit show that we call the 20th century. 21st is looking even stupider.
Enlightenment and reason apparently looks a whole lot like idiocy and ignorance. "A rational basis for existence". LOL do we live on the same planet? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:55:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: And yet correct. You are trolling, right? Yeaaaaahhhhh, you have to be. Right? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:59:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJshooter: Any man can rationalize anything through reason thus the complete shit show that we call the 20th century. 21st is looking even stupider. Enlightenment and reason apparently looks a whole lot like idiocy and ignorance. "A rational basis for existence". LOL do we live on the same planet? Just because idiots can't reason doesn't mean it isn't the |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 7:05:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJshooter: "A rational basis for existence". LOL do we live on the same planet? Its just Hubris and a lack of self-reflection. You can internally rationalize away any action, pretending its reasonable, while another can reason your actions to be totally irrational. It leads to total madness because there is no anchor restraining what people can "rationalize." Thus our current society of complete insanity. Screaming they are rational and scientific as they surgically graft cat ears onto their head. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 7:06:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: Just because idiots can't reason doesn't mean it isn't the Very Progressive, very Enlightenment. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 7:09:59 AM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 8:11:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FMJshooter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: Just because idiots can't reason doesn't mean it isn't the It's not the idiots that are the trouble, it's the intelligent people that reason their society right into hell. The people at Harvard that tell you beef causes diabetes aren't idiots, Nietzsche wasn't an idiot, Marx wasn't an idiot. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:04:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PacNW5]
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Niall Ferguson in his book, Civilization, argues that the Enlightenment was one of the killer apps for western civilization to overtake eastern cultures since it divorced science from religion, thereby enabling rapid technological advancement.
Prior to that, the church persecuted scientists like Galileo for advancing heretical thoughts like the Earth revolved around the sun. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:11:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Slavery was outlawed in England in 1080 by William the Conquerer. Enlightenment ideals have nothing to do with ending slavery, Christian ideals did, there and worldwide. Wut? We had a bunch of Christians start a war over it here not that long ago. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:29:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RustedAce]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: Wut? We had a bunch of Christians start a war over it here not that long ago. Yes, to stop it. In America the Abolitionist movement was started mostly by Quakers, then other Christian groups. William Wilberforce's motivation to end it worldwide started with his conversion to Evangelicalism. It had already ended in Europe proper due to Christianity replacing the Roman system. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:33:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJshooter: Thank you. OP Read some Locke then move on to the degenerate "enlightenment" philosophers that followed and see if you can spot where things went wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJshooter: Originally Posted By RustedAce: The Enlightenment was pure evil. It divorced man from spirituality, family, tradition and wonder. It rendered everyone a individual godless animal with no purpose. It created liberalism which leads inevitably to the dead soulless materialistic managerialism you see today. Slavery was outlawed in England in 1080 by William the Conquerer. Enlightenment ideals have nothing to do with ending slavery, Christian ideals did, there and worldwide. The 100s of millions dead from communism are pure distilled Enlightenment. Thank you. OP Read some Locke then move on to the degenerate "enlightenment" philosophers that followed and see if you can spot where things went wrong. Rousseau was the devil. But the real devil was Hegel. Even Hitler was a follower of Hegelian theory. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:35:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: But the real devil was Hegel. Even Hitler was a follower of Hegelian theory. Germans should not be allowed to do philosophy. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:39:46 AM EDT
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Enlightenment lead to Classical Liberalism.
Socialism and communism are not natural outgrowths. One of the greatest obstacles to reasoned thought and enlightenment was the Roman church. The birth of the Age of Enlightenment begat the great scientific, industrial, and cultural advancement of mankind. None of the global shitholes are bastions of enlightenment thought. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:44:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Kihn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Niall Ferguson in his book, Civilization, argues that the Enlightenment was one of the killer apps for western civilization to overtake eastern cultures since it divorced science from religion, thereby enabling rapid technological advancement. Prior to that, the church persecuted scientists like Galileo for advancing heretical thoughts like the Earth revolved around the sun. Ian MacGilchrist says we are on our way to hell because of this. Left hemisphere brain is an OCD autist on a mission. Right Hemisphere brain is a stoner in a Japanese Zen garden saying to the autist "what the fuck is wrong with you man?" Autist is saying "fuck you man" while stealing his credit card number with an iPhone scanner app. Western civilization is Left hemisphere brain drinking White Claw. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:45:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Germans should not be allowed to do philosophy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By Kihn: But the real devil was Hegel. Even Hitler was a follower of Hegelian theory. Germans should not be allowed to do philosophy. Totally agree. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:48:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Yes, to stop it. In America the Abolitionist movement was started mostly by Quakers, then other Christian groups. William Wilberforce's motivation to end it worldwide started with his conversion to Evangelicalism. It had already ended in Europe proper due to Christianity replacing the Roman system. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: Wut? We had a bunch of Christians start a war over it here not that long ago. Yes, to stop it. In America the Abolitionist movement was started mostly by Quakers, then other Christian groups. William Wilberforce's motivation to end it worldwide started with his conversion to Evangelicalism. It had already ended in Europe proper due to Christianity replacing the Roman system. I have trouble believing that the rebels didn't consider themselves Christian. Both sides thought they were right, and would use religion to justify it. https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/nineteen/nkeyinfo/cwsouth.htm The new Confederate Constitution, adopted on February 8, 1861, and ratified on March 11, 1861, officially declared its Christian identity, “invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God.” Southern leaders chose as their national motto Deo Vindice (“God will avenge”). Confederate President Jefferson Davis proclaimed that the time had come “to recognize our dependence upon God … [and] supplicate his merciful protection.” This national acknowledgment of religious dependence, as the South frequently pointed out during the war in both the religious and the secular press, stood in stark contrast to the “godless” government of the North that ignored God in its constitution and put secular concerns above the sacred duties of Christian service and the divine commission. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:50:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Niall Ferguson in his book, Civilization, argues that the Enlightenment was one of the killer apps for western civilization to overtake eastern cultures since it divorced science from religion, thereby enabling rapid technological advancement. The Pre-Enlightenment West had already conquered the world before the Enlightenment even happened. It did it even before the Scientific Revolution happened. Cortez didnt give a shit about science or being rational, or any dumb shit like that. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:53:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: I have trouble believing that the rebels didn't consider themselves Christian. Both sides thought they were right, and would use religion to justify it. https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/nineteen/nkeyinfo/cwsouth.htm Didnt say they were not. I said Christian ideas are what ended slavery not Enlightenment ones. Christians fight each other over what interpretation is correct all the time. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:59:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Germans should not be allowed to do philosophy. You finally said something I agree with in this thread. 
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:42:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: The Enlightenment was pure evil. It divorced man from spirituality, family, tradition and wonder. It rendered everyone a individual godless animal with no purpose. It created liberalism which leads inevitably to the dead soulless materialistic managerialism you see today. Slavery was outlawed in England in 1080 by William the Conquerer. Enlightenment ideals have nothing to do with ending slavery, Christian ideals did, there and worldwide. The 100s of millions dead from communism are pure distilled Enlightenment. Our Founding Fathers were a product of the Enlightenment. Our Nation and our Constitution were founded through Enlightenment principls. You have a twisted and narrowminded conception of the Enlightenment. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:58:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RustedAce]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BikerNut: You have a twisted and narrowminded conception of the Enlightenment. I have the correct view. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:20:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: You are trolling, right? Yeaaaaahhhhh, you have to be. Right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: Originally Posted By RustedAce: And yet correct. You are trolling, right? Yeaaaaahhhhh, you have to be. Right? Him and a few others have been doing this weird contrarion thing for the last couple years. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 12:02:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BikerNut: Our Founding Fathers were a product of the Enlightenment. Our Nation and our Constitution were founded through Enlightenment principls. You have a twisted and narrowminded conception of the Enlightenment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BikerNut: Originally Posted By RustedAce: The Enlightenment was pure evil. It divorced man from spirituality, family, tradition and wonder. It rendered everyone a individual godless animal with no purpose. It created liberalism which leads inevitably to the dead soulless materialistic managerialism you see today. Slavery was outlawed in England in 1080 by William the Conquerer. Enlightenment ideals have nothing to do with ending slavery, Christian ideals did, there and worldwide. The 100s of millions dead from communism are pure distilled Enlightenment. Our Founding Fathers were a product of the Enlightenment. Our Nation and our Constitution were founded through Enlightenment principls. You have a twisted and narrowminded conception of the Enlightenment. The second large wave of immigrants to America were predominantly Germans. The age of sail converted to the age of steam. Progessivism was a change in cultural outlook after the perceived failings of Enlightenment, post- civil war. Woodrow Wilson gave us a school system modeled on the German gymnasium model. And he was a product of the Reformationist social gospel movement. Giving rise to the belief in the expert class as saviors. A belief in the bureaucratic master. The strong leader model. Vanguardians. Social reform. Social democrats. Maybe the environmentalists were right about this one point. We should have stopped at the age of sail. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 1:51:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearjammer351: Nope The enlightenment freed men from a life based on ignorant superstitions and pointless traditions and gave him a rational basis for his existence. Embracing rationality is what showed men that they had a purpose as sentient beings, and that they are not just animals gazing at the heavens and wondering why the sky is blue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearjammer351: Originally Posted By RustedAce: The Enlightenment was pure evil. It divorced man from spirituality, family, tradition and wonder. It rendered everyone a individual godless animal with no purpose. It created liberalism which leads inevitably to the dead soulless materialistic managerialism you see today. Slavery was outlawed in England in 1080 by William the Conquerer. Enlightenment ideals have nothing to do with ending slavery, Christian ideals did, there and worldwide. The 100s of millions dead from communism are pure distilled Enlightenment. The enlightenment freed men from a life based on ignorant superstitions and pointless traditions and gave him a rational basis for his existence. Embracing rationality is what showed men that they had a purpose as sentient beings, and that they are not just animals gazing at the heavens and wondering why the sky is blue.  If you can't ask "Why are we still doing this?", then you're not really free. There is a reason we don't do exorcisms any more.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 1:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: The concept that a human can be rational is self-evidently false. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By gearjammer351: rational basis for his existence. Embracing rationality The concept that a human can be rational is self-evidently false. I would say that this is "self-evidently false". Humans can & do act rationally all the time; this is what makes them pay the mortgage instead of pissing the money away on hookers & blow (not to say those are bad investments ). How can you see people building jet airliners and nuke plants and say there is no rationality involved? |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 1:56:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: Just because idiots can't reason doesn't mean it isn't the Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: Originally Posted By FMJshooter: Any man can rationalize anything through reason thus the complete shit show that we call the 20th century. 21st is looking even stupider. Enlightenment and reason apparently looks a whole lot like idiocy and ignorance. "A rational basis for existence". LOL do we live on the same planet? Just because idiots can't reason doesn't mean it isn't the
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Posted: 3/30/2024 1:57:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M1907Sling: I would say that this is "self-evidently false". Humans can & do act rationally all the time; this is what makes them pay the mortgage instead of pissing the money away on hookers & blow (not to say those are bad investments ). How can you see people building jet airliners and nuke plants and say there is no rationality involved?Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M1907Sling: Originally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By gearjammer351: rational basis for his existence. Embracing rationality The concept that a human can be rational is self-evidently false. I would say that this is "self-evidently false". Humans can & do act rationally all the time; this is what makes them pay the mortgage instead of pissing the money away on hookers & blow (not to say those are bad investments ). How can you see people building jet airliners and nuke plants and say there is no rationality involved?Rationality is a spectrum. Of from pretty fucking good to holy fuck! what were you thinkinG? The thread about Boeing losing it shit is a prime example. ETA: 'reasonableness' and 'rationality' are two different things. People conflate them as one- often. Matter of degree? maybe. people can rationailze almost anything. Some things are just not reasonable. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 2:00:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Its just Hubris and a lack of self-reflection. You can internally rationalize away any action, pretending its reasonable, while another can reason your actions to be totally irrational. It leads to total madness because there is no anchor restraining what people can "rationalize." Thus our current society of complete insanity. Screaming they are rational and scientific as they surgically graft cat ears onto their head. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By FMJshooter: "A rational basis for existence". LOL do we live on the same planet? Its just Hubris and a lack of self-reflection. You can internally rationalize away any action, pretending its reasonable, while another can reason your actions to be totally irrational. It leads to total madness because there is no anchor restraining what people can "rationalize." Thus our current society of complete insanity. Screaming they are rational and scientific as they surgically graft cat ears onto their head. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 2:06:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJshooter: It's not the idiots that are the trouble, it's the intelligent people that reason their society right into hell. The people at Harvard that tell you beef causes diabetes aren't idiots, Nietzsche wasn't an idiot, Marx wasn't an idiot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJshooter: Originally Posted By BombCrater: Just because idiots can't reason doesn't mean it isn't the The people at Harvard that tell you beef causes diabetes aren't idiots, Nietzsche wasn't an idiot, Marx wasn't an idiot. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 2:06:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Niall Ferguson in his book, Civilization, argues that the Enlightenment was one of the killer apps for western civilization to overtake eastern cultures since it divorced science from religion, thereby enabling rapid technological advancement. Prior to that, the church persecuted scientists like Galileo for advancing heretical thoughts like the Earth revolved around the sun. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 2:08:06 PM EDT
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Maybe firearms had something to do with it? Anyone can get got. Even a king.
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