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Posted: 7/30/2016 9:50:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: Can you just link to your last post about this? I'm have a photographic mind and I actually picture what people type. And I'm tired of picturing that every other page when someone who won't read the thread asks about Clomid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By DOG556: Maybe your T is too high contributing to your anger outbursts here! So Clomid stories anyone!?? My testosterone peaked just over 1,100 on 50mg of clomid daily. Sadly it did not stay at that level, it dropped to the 700s. Also at the same time my T peaked my E2 peaked over 200! I'll tell you a story imaging having the sex drive of an 18 year old but an erection like an 80 year old...and then you break down emotionally and cry!!!! The kicker was the damn urologist said that level of estrogen was fine and I didn't know any better. Clomid can work well for some people but you will have higher E levels which will cause high E side effects like ED and extra emotions. Can you just link to your last post about this? I'm have a photographic mind and I actually picture what people type. And I'm tired of picturing that every other page when someone who won't read the thread asks about Clomid. LOL, you are tired of picturing it but I have vivid memories still.  It's a shame this site doesn't have a WIKI feature where all of us could edit and add information to the front page of this thread. This entire thread could be summarized in about 1 page. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 9:58:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: I was kinda under the impression that fertility (or infertility?) Docs prescribed clomid to boost the male's or husband's sperm count when a couple is trying to conceive. I am probably wrong on that.... But it makes no sense to raise sperm levels so high, but sacrifice the ability to conceive naturally by throwing ED into the mix. I am probably just confused??? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By DOG556: Maybe your T is too high contributing to your anger outbursts here! So Clomid stories anyone!?? My testosterone peaked just over 1,100 on 50mg of clomid daily. Sadly it did not stay at that level, it dropped to the 700s. Also at the same time my T peaked my E2 peaked over 200! I'll tell you a story imaging having the sex drive of an 18 year old but an erection like an 80 year old...and then you break down emotionally and cry!!!! The kicker was the damn urologist said that level of estrogen was fine and I didn't know any better. Clomid can work well for some people but you will have higher E levels which will cause high E side effects like ED and extra emotions. Can you just link to your last post about this? I'm have a photographic mind and I actually picture what people type. And I'm tired of picturing that every other page when someone who won't read the thread asks about Clomid. I was kinda under the impression that fertility (or infertility?) Docs prescribed clomid to boost the male's or husband's sperm count when a couple is trying to conceive. I am probably wrong on that.... But it makes no sense to raise sperm levels so high, but sacrifice the ability to conceive naturally by throwing ED into the mix. I am probably just confused??? Clomid can help increase fertility. Fertility was a concern when I first started getting treatment about 6 years ago so I pushed and was put on clomid. It doubled my sperm count and raised my testosterone. Once my hormone levels peaked and then stabilized lower ED wasn't that huge of issue but the timing had to be right. The endocrinologist that I saw said I could go on a testosterone treatment but if I wanted to have a kid I would have to go off it completely, let it leave my system, and then start clomid. I didn't want to go through all that and took clomid from the start. About 4 years in my body because very use to clomid and my hormone levels were starting to drop, 500-600 range. Still not bad but not what I was used to either. I said screw it, started T injections and added HCG. Studies about 2 years ago started showing that HCG with T can help maintain fertility, so I gave it a shot. The T plus HCG kept my sperm count about the same as clomid did, the overall number was slightly lower but the quality was higher. I have only had one count done with T and HCG so I can't say for sure if that holds true long term, the first count was done about 4 months into the treatment. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 9:59:50 AM EDT
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i wonder if this trt is gonna benefit some of you when you get LVH
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Posted: 7/30/2016 10:44:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556:
Maybe your T is too high contributing to your anger outbursts here! So Clomid stories anyone!?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556:
Maybe your T is too high contributing to your anger outbursts here! So Clomid stories anyone!?? Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By DOG556:
What are your experiences with a Clomid only regime to bump TRT? Good and bad? All the information you need is literally on the last page.... Good God 
This thread is a fucking repeat every two days. Your statement is nothing but a myth, and it's a dangerous myth. It's part of the reason why getting good male HRT is so difficult. Read the stories in this thread about people getting the run around and accused of steroid abuse by female pharmacists, read the accusations of doctors towards members here, read about the absolute ineptness of the majority of the general practitioners, urologists, and endocrinologists in regards to male HRT. Much of this crap we have to deal with is related to the "'roid rage" myth. Hell, prescription testosterone is treated like a narcotic by the FDA. So, welcome to the thread; it has tons of valuable information. But, please, educate yourself and stop spreading the " 'roid rage" myth. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:12:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mixnmatch24:
i wonder if this trt is gonna benefit some of you when you get LVH Is this meant to be a precautionary statement or you being an ill-informed douche? |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 1:32:50 PM EDT
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Thank you sir for the info.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE:
Clomid can help increase fertility. Fertility was a concern when I first started getting treatment about 6 years ago so I pushed and was put on clomid. It doubled my sperm count and raised my testosterone. Once my hormone levels peaked and then stabilized lower ED wasn't that huge of issue but the timing had to be right. The endocrinologist that I saw said I could go on a testosterone treatment but if I wanted to have a kid I would have to go off it completely, let it leave my system, and then start clomid. I didn't want to go through all that and took clomid from the start. About 4 years in my body because very use to clomid and my hormone levels were starting to drop, 500-600 range. Still not bad but not what I was used to either. I said screw it, started T injections and added HCG. Studies about 2 years ago started showing that HCG with T can help maintain fertility, so I gave it a shot. The T plus HCG kept my sperm count about the same as clomid did, the overall number was slightly lower but the quality was higher. I have only had one count done with T and HCG so I can't say for sure if that holds true long term, the first count was done about 4 months into the treatment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE:
Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Originally Posted By DOG556:
Maybe your T is too high contributing to your anger outbursts here! So Clomid stories anyone!?? My testosterone peaked just over 1,100 on 50mg of clomid daily. Sadly it did not stay at that level, it dropped to the 700s. Also at the same time my T peaked my E2 peaked over 200! I'll tell you a story imaging having the sex drive of an 18 year old but an erection like an 80 year old...and then you break down emotionally and cry!!!! The kicker was the damn urologist said that level of estrogen was fine and I didn't know any better. Clomid can work well for some people but you will have higher E levels which will cause high E side effects like ED and extra emotions. Can you just link to your last post about this? I'm have a photographic mind and I actually picture what people type. And I'm tired of picturing that every other page when someone who won't read the thread asks about Clomid. I was kinda under the impression that fertility (or infertility?) Docs prescribed clomid to boost the male's or husband's sperm count when a couple is trying to conceive. I am probably wrong on that.... But it makes no sense to raise sperm levels so high, but sacrifice the ability to conceive naturally by throwing ED into the mix. I am probably just confused??? Clomid can help increase fertility. Fertility was a concern when I first started getting treatment about 6 years ago so I pushed and was put on clomid. It doubled my sperm count and raised my testosterone. Once my hormone levels peaked and then stabilized lower ED wasn't that huge of issue but the timing had to be right. The endocrinologist that I saw said I could go on a testosterone treatment but if I wanted to have a kid I would have to go off it completely, let it leave my system, and then start clomid. I didn't want to go through all that and took clomid from the start. About 4 years in my body because very use to clomid and my hormone levels were starting to drop, 500-600 range. Still not bad but not what I was used to either. I said screw it, started T injections and added HCG. Studies about 2 years ago started showing that HCG with T can help maintain fertility, so I gave it a shot. The T plus HCG kept my sperm count about the same as clomid did, the overall number was slightly lower but the quality was higher. I have only had one count done with T and HCG so I can't say for sure if that holds true long term, the first count was done about 4 months into the treatment. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 3:44:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Yes there is. What's harder to kill; a yoked mother fucker drinking black coffee straight from the pot or a hipster in skinny jeans drinking a double cum shot skinny Frappuccino with extra soy? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Originally Posted By killswitch:
Brought to you by congress due to MLB doping scandals. Even the dea was against scheduling Test. In the documentary Bigger, Stronger, Faster a lot of the liberal politicians were completely against even doing research that involved men and testosterone. Looking at the DNC convention which basically had the attitude that "women need to fix all the problems men created" and all the betamales Democrats that now exist, I'm pretty sure the tight regulations on testosterone was very intentional. The DNC doesn't like strong men as they are harder to control Same reason they don't like people own firearms. Of course the Republicans have done nothing to fix this problem either but at least they aren't on record saying there should be no testosterone available. a lot of truth in this post. Yes there is. What's harder to kill; a yoked mother fucker drinking black coffee straight from the pot or a hipster in skinny jeans drinking a double cum shot skinny Frappuccino with extra soy? Yeah, no shit! Imagine what freakin' havoc you could create if you had a unit consisting of 100 PatMac's. All the Pajama Boys would roll over and piss their pants. About that whole soy thing....isn't there a connection between soy and increased levels of estrogen? http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects HOLY SHIT! Check it out...speaking of gyno: ...For Price, a retired U.S. Army intelligence officer who once flew attack helicopters in Vietnam, these changes were more than just physically uncomfortable. "Men aren't supposed to have breasts," he says today in a quiet Texas drawl. "It was like my body was feminizing."... The reason I asked about a doctor's diagnosis of gyno is because it seems like the only way to treat it is with surgery. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 7:12:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Is this meant to be a precautionary statement or you being an ill-informed douche? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By mixnmatch24:
i wonder if this trt is gonna benefit some of you when you get LVH Is this meant to be a precautionary statement or you being an ill-informed douche? Well...shit...I was thinking about doing some preemptive cardiac type tests anyway. Granted this is anecdotal: http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Heart-Disease/Left-ventricular-hypertrophy-and-testosterone-replacement-therapy/amp_show/1349692 But I guess that seals the deal. Just from reading that one link...it doesn't specifically say his keft ventricular wall was echo stress tested before the testisterone. It is a confounding issue withe all the cardio and weightlifting he did. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 8:57:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mixnmatch24:
i wonder if this trt is gonna benefit some of you when you get LVH Citation. I'll wait. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 9:54:33 PM EDT
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Just a repeat of a previous post about Clomid. Been on it a while now. Started with T at ~280. T is now in the 650 range (which is slightly above average for my age). E climbed a little bit (25 to 43 over 2 years), endo didn't like that, cut my dose in half. So, I took control of my own health, maintained my Clomid dose (50mg/day) and added Arimidex. E is back down to 25-ish.
Clomid probably won't turn you into a teenager again. But, it's pretty easy, inexpensive, and doesn't require a lot of "tuning" the way T shots (and HCG, and AI, and ...) can. Clomid can also clear up a lot of the mental fog, bad sleep, and ED issues (assuming you don't let your E get too low or too high). Clomid also increases volume of sperm produced. Sometimes dramatically so. Hence the reason it is often used in fertility treatments. Note that many posters here, myself included, have noticed joint issues when their E is out of whack. It's just another method of helping to control your own well being by "listening" to what your body is trying to tell you. I've been satisfied with the Clomid for treating low T. Now if I can just find a decent doc to prescribe some GHRPs, I could fix up some other problems. |
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Posted: 7/31/2016 1:13:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker:
Just a repeat of a previous post about Clomid. Been on it a while now. Started with T at ~280. T is now in the 650 range (which is slightly above average for my age). E climbed a little bit (25 to 43 over 2 years), endo didn't like that, cut my dose in half. So, I took control of my own health, maintained my Clomid dose (50mg/day) and added Arimidex. E is back down to 25-ish. Clomid probably won't turn you into a teenager again. But, it's pretty easy, inexpensive, and doesn't require a lot of "tuning" the way T shots (and HCG, and AI, and ...) can. Clomid can also clear up a lot of the mental fog, bad sleep, and ED issues (assuming you don't let your E get too low or too high). Clomid also increases volume of sperm produced. Sometimes dramatically so. Hence the reason it is often used in fertility treatments. Note that many posters here, myself included, have noticed joint issues when their E is out of whack. It's just another method of helping to control your own well being by "listening" to what your body is trying to tell you. I've been satisfied with the Clomid for treating low T. Now if I can just find a decent doc to prescribe some GHRPs, I could fix up some other problems. Might want to Google those... 
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Posted: 8/1/2016 11:00:13 AM EDT
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For those of you that have suck ass doctors, I just got done with my doctor's appointment via a phone call. I did my labs on my own, sent her the results, we talked for 10 minutes and they charged my card. It's nice having a doctor that works with you like that.
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Posted: 8/1/2016 4:07:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
For those of you that have suck ass doctors, I just got done with my doctor's appointment via a phone call. I did my labs on my own, sent her the results, we talked for 10 minutes and they charged my card. It's nice having a doctor that works with you like that. At at my current doc office right now waiting. This time I bring more info to the table. An arfcomer suggested his doc but my appoint there is in 1.5 months Gonna see what I can do now. Gonna ask about dose ..I'm at 50mg /week now And an AI And to completely test my blood seems he tested for testosterone only. Nothing else ... Twice Gonna ask about my thyroid also |
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Posted: 8/1/2016 4:41:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
For those of you that have suck ass doctors, I just got done with my doctor's appointment via a phone call. I did my labs on my own, sent her the results, we talked for 10 minutes and they charged my card. It's nice having a doctor that works with you like that. My doctor is still hung up on that study a year or two ago that said it will kill us. He's #8 in 5 years. I'm stuck making another car payment's worth of $ every month for my test. Thinking about it rages my roids. If I didn't need a clean record to make a living I would bypass all of this. Makes me want to retire and move to a free country. |
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Posted: 8/1/2016 4:42:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
At at my current doc office right now waiting. This time I bring more info to the table. An arfcomer suggested his doc but my appoint there is in 1.5 months Gonna see what I can do now. Gonna ask about dose ..I'm at 50mg /week now And an AI And to completely test my blood seems he tested for testosterone only. Nothing else ... Twice Gonna ask about my thyroid also Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
For those of you that have suck ass doctors, I just got done with my doctor's appointment via a phone call. I did my labs on my own, sent her the results, we talked for 10 minutes and they charged my card. It's nice having a doctor that works with you like that. At at my current doc office right now waiting. This time I bring more info to the table. An arfcomer suggested his doc but my appoint there is in 1.5 months Gonna see what I can do now. Gonna ask about dose ..I'm at 50mg /week now And an AI And to completely test my blood seems he tested for testosterone only. Nothing else ... Twice Gonna ask about my thyroid also You might be making this too complicated for your doctor and triggering his 'self-defenses' Maybe skip mentioning the AI [sets my family doc off, but not my HRT doc] and asking for a HIGHER dosage of TC to give yourself more autonomous 'flexibility' The other issues can be handled outside your doc's office... The key thought is to 'manage' your doctor -rather than the other way around...
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Posted: 8/1/2016 5:49:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
You might be making this too complicated for your doctor and triggering his 'self-defenses' Maybe skip mentioning the AI [sets my family doc off, but not my HRT doc] and asking for a HIGHER dosage of TC to give yourself more autonomous 'flexibility' The other issues can be handled outside your doc's office... The key thought is to 'manage' your doctor -rather than the other way around...
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
For those of you that have suck ass doctors, I just got done with my doctor's appointment via a phone call. I did my labs on my own, sent her the results, we talked for 10 minutes and they charged my card. It's nice having a doctor that works with you like that. At at my current doc office right now waiting. This time I bring more info to the table. An arfcomer suggested his doc but my appoint there is in 1.5 months Gonna see what I can do now. Gonna ask about dose ..I'm at 50mg /week now And an AI And to completely test my blood seems he tested for testosterone only. Nothing else ... Twice Gonna ask about my thyroid also You might be making this too complicated for your doctor and triggering his 'self-defenses' Maybe skip mentioning the AI [sets my family doc off, but not my HRT doc] and asking for a HIGHER dosage of TC to give yourself more autonomous 'flexibility' The other issues can be handled outside your doc's office... The key thought is to 'manage' your doctor -rather than the other way around...
alright here is the outcome. says he is not comfortable/ knowledgeable enough with amiridex or AI at a ll . so no go there i asked if my balls would stop producing test.. and if i could up my dose to what he felt was safe. there wasa student nurse practitioner in the room and mentioned my last test was 279 and very close to the min 379(ish) dont remember the exact number. i told then i dont wanna to feel min good i want to live better thru science .. maybe that was wrong ? end result. -no AI if needed ADC has it. -test dose went from 50mg week to 100 mg - and i think the most important one. my Rx went from 1ml viels.. to 10ml viels  so not gonna call this a complete lose.
he mentioned if no improvements next steps is urologist. also mentioned by NAME increasemyt.com and other clinics. i mentioned im not looking to bulk or pose in a g string just to feel better . did I mention "200/mg 10/ml bottles ". ?  <-- i think thats a good thing using a good rx coupon so no BS from insurance about 30 day supply and walgreens already confirmed they will fill the 10ml rx 44 bucks with the goodrx coupon .
now to pay from that private md labs that was posted here to make sure i need the AI ( my test did NOT include that ) fail on the AI but got a larger bottle. kinda happy. |
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Posted: 8/1/2016 6:03:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
alright here is the outcome. says he is not comfortable/ knowledgeable enough with amiridex or AI at a ll . so no go there i asked if my balls would stop producing test.. and if i could up my dose to what he felt was safe. there wasa student nurse practitioner in the room and mentioned my last test was 279 and very close to the min 379(ish) dont remember the exact number. i told then i dont wanna to feel min good i want to live better thru science .. maybe that was wrong ? end result. -no AI if needed ADC has it. -test dose went from 50mg week to 100 mg - and i think the most important one. my Rx went from 1ml viels.. to 10ml viels so not gonna call this a complete lose.
he mentioned if no improvements next steps is urologist. also mentioned by NAME increasemyt.com and other clinics. i mentioned im not looking to bulk or pose in a g string just to feel did I mention "200/mg 10/ml bottles ". ? <-- i think thats a good thing using a good rx coupon so no BS from insurance about 30 day supply and walgreens already confirmed they will fill the 10ml rx 44 bucks with the goodrx coupon .
now to pay from that private md labs that was posted here to make sure i need the AI ( my test did NOT include that ) fail on the AI but got a larger bottle. kinda happy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
For those of you that have suck ass doctors, I just got done with my doctor's appointment via a phone call. I did my labs on my own, sent her the results, we talked for 10 minutes and they charged my card. It's nice having a doctor that works with you like that. At at my current doc office right now waiting. This time I bring more info to the table. An arfcomer suggested his doc but my appoint there is in 1.5 months Gonna see what I can do now. Gonna ask about dose ..I'm at 50mg /week now And an AI And to completely test my blood seems he tested for testosterone only. Nothing else ... Twice Gonna ask about my thyroid also You might be making this too complicated for your doctor and triggering his 'self-defenses' Maybe skip mentioning the AI [sets my family doc off, but not my HRT doc] and asking for a HIGHER dosage of TC to give yourself more autonomous 'flexibility' The other issues can be handled outside your doc's office... The key thought is to 'manage' your doctor -rather than the other way around...
alright here is the outcome. says he is not comfortable/ knowledgeable enough with amiridex or AI at a ll . so no go there i asked if my balls would stop producing test.. and if i could up my dose to what he felt was safe. there wasa student nurse practitioner in the room and mentioned my last test was 279 and very close to the min 379(ish) dont remember the exact number. i told then i dont wanna to feel min good i want to live better thru science .. maybe that was wrong ? end result. -no AI if needed ADC has it. -test dose went from 50mg week to 100 mg - and i think the most important one. my Rx went from 1ml viels.. to 10ml viels so not gonna call this a complete lose.
he mentioned if no improvements next steps is urologist. also mentioned by NAME increasemyt.com and other clinics. i mentioned im not looking to bulk or pose in a g string just to feel did I mention "200/mg 10/ml bottles ". ? <-- i think thats a good thing using a good rx coupon so no BS from insurance about 30 day supply and walgreens already confirmed they will fill the 10ml rx 44 bucks with the goodrx coupon .
now to pay from that private md labs that was posted here to make sure i need the AI ( my test did NOT include that ) fail on the AI but got a larger bottle. kinda happy. You did GREAT!!! Considering... 100mg = .5 ml per week... [@ 2000 mg per 10ml vial] That's a low dose, likely... My guess is you need around [not having any info] .35 ml twice a week... The way I handled this with my doc was to pull labs at the opportune time, show them to him. Get him used to ME pulling labs. Then explain that the dosage didn't/wasn't enough to feel better and could we up it to -whatever- suggest .4ml to him, let him feel good IN CONTROL about maybe making it .35ml ---the TARGET--- twice a week... SQ. Negotiate... 
Accomplished this and more, while MANAGING MY DOC... 
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Posted: 8/1/2016 8:03:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
You did GREAT!!! Considering... 100mg = .5 ml per week... [@ 2000 mg per 10ml vial] That's a low dose, likely... My guess is you need around [not having any info] .35 ml twice a week... The way I handled this with my doc was to pull labs at the opportune time, show them to him. Get him used to ME pulling labs. Then explain that the dosage didn't/wasn't enough to feel better and could we up it to -whatever- suggest .4ml to him, let him feel good IN CONTROL about maybe making it .35ml ---the TARGET--- twice a week... SQ. Negotiate...
Accomplished this and more, while MANAGING MY DOC...
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
For those of you that have suck ass doctors, I just got done with my doctor's appointment via a phone call. I did my labs on my own, sent her the results, we talked for 10 minutes and they charged my card. It's nice having a doctor that works with you like that. At at my current doc office right now waiting. This time I bring more info to the table. An arfcomer suggested his doc but my appoint there is in 1.5 months Gonna see what I can do now. Gonna ask about dose ..I'm at 50mg /week now And an AI And to completely test my blood seems he tested for testosterone only. Nothing else ... Twice Gonna ask about my thyroid also You might be making this too complicated for your doctor and triggering his 'self-defenses' Maybe skip mentioning the AI [sets my family doc off, but not my HRT doc] and asking for a HIGHER dosage of TC to give yourself more autonomous 'flexibility' The other issues can be handled outside your doc's office... The key thought is to 'manage' your doctor -rather than the other way around...
alright here is the outcome. says he is not comfortable/ knowledgeable enough with amiridex or AI at a ll . so no go there i asked if my balls would stop producing test.. and if i could up my dose to what he felt was safe. there wasa student nurse practitioner in the room and mentioned my last test was 279 and very close to the min 379(ish) dont remember the exact number. i told then i dont wanna to feel min good i want to live better thru science .. maybe that was wrong ? end result. -no AI if needed ADC has it. -test dose went from 50mg week to 100 mg - and i think the most important one. my Rx went from 1ml viels.. to 10ml viels so not gonna call this a complete lose.
he mentioned if no improvements next steps is urologist. also mentioned by NAME increasemyt.com and other clinics. i mentioned im not looking to bulk or pose in a g string just to feel did I mention "200/mg 10/ml bottles ". ? <-- i think thats a good thing using a good rx coupon so no BS from insurance about 30 day supply and walgreens already confirmed they will fill the 10ml rx 44 bucks with the goodrx coupon .
now to pay from that private md labs that was posted here to make sure i need the AI ( my test did NOT include that ) fail on the AI but got a larger bottle. kinda happy. You did GREAT!!! Considering... 100mg = .5 ml per week... [@ 2000 mg per 10ml vial] That's a low dose, likely... My guess is you need around [not having any info] .35 ml twice a week... The way I handled this with my doc was to pull labs at the opportune time, show them to him. Get him used to ME pulling labs. Then explain that the dosage didn't/wasn't enough to feel better and could we up it to -whatever- suggest .4ml to him, let him feel good IN CONTROL about maybe making it .35ml ---the TARGET--- twice a week... SQ. Negotiate...
Accomplished this and more, while MANAGING MY DOC...
It's all about making the doctors think they are the one fixing you. Meanwhile you're the one leading them around. Kind of like a hog. No matter how big they are, you grab them by the ear and you can make them do anything you want. I'm lucky as my doctor is very very open minded. She's asking me what I think about growth hormone and the use of peptides.
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Posted: 8/1/2016 8:52:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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"Kind of like a hog"
Does that work? I don't know anything about them --the 4 legged kind... |
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Posted: 8/1/2016 9:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
alright here is the outcome. says he is not comfortable/ knowledgeable enough with amiridex or AI at a ll . so no go there i asked if my balls would stop producing test.. and if i could up my dose to what he felt was safe. there wasa student nurse practitioner in the room and mentioned my last test was 279 and very close to the min 379(ish) dont remember the exact number. i told then i dont wanna to feel min good i want to live better thru science .. maybe that was wrong ? end result. -no AI if needed ADC has it. -test dose went from 50mg week to 100 mg - and i think the most important one. my Rx went from 1ml viels.. to 10ml viels so not gonna call this a complete lose.
he mentioned if no improvements next steps is urologist. also mentioned by NAME increasemyt.com and other clinics. i mentioned im not looking to bulk or pose in a g string just to feel better . did I mention "200/mg 10/ml bottles ". ? <-- i think thats a good thing using a good rx coupon so no BS from insurance about 30 day supply and walgreens already confirmed they will fill the 10ml rx 44 bucks with the goodrx coupon .
now to pay from that private md labs that was posted here to make sure i need the AI ( my test did NOT include that ) fail on the AI but got a larger bottle. kinda happy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
For those of you that have suck ass doctors, I just got done with my doctor's appointment via a phone call. I did my labs on my own, sent her the results, we talked for 10 minutes and they charged my card. It's nice having a doctor that works with you like that. At at my current doc office right now waiting. This time I bring more info to the table. An arfcomer suggested his doc but my appoint there is in 1.5 months Gonna see what I can do now. Gonna ask about dose ..I'm at 50mg /week now And an AI And to completely test my blood seems he tested for testosterone only. Nothing else ... Twice Gonna ask about my thyroid also You might be making this too complicated for your doctor and triggering his 'self-defenses' Maybe skip mentioning the AI [sets my family doc off, but not my HRT doc] and asking for a HIGHER dosage of TC to give yourself more autonomous 'flexibility' The other issues can be handled outside your doc's office... The key thought is to 'manage' your doctor -rather than the other way around...
alright here is the outcome. says he is not comfortable/ knowledgeable enough with amiridex or AI at a ll . so no go there i asked if my balls would stop producing test.. and if i could up my dose to what he felt was safe. there wasa student nurse practitioner in the room and mentioned my last test was 279 and very close to the min 379(ish) dont remember the exact number. i told then i dont wanna to feel min good i want to live better thru science .. maybe that was wrong ? end result. -no AI if needed ADC has it. -test dose went from 50mg week to 100 mg - and i think the most important one. my Rx went from 1ml viels.. to 10ml viels so not gonna call this a complete lose.
he mentioned if no improvements next steps is urologist. also mentioned by NAME increasemyt.com and other clinics. i mentioned im not looking to bulk or pose in a g string just to feel better . did I mention "200/mg 10/ml bottles ". ? <-- i think thats a good thing using a good rx coupon so no BS from insurance about 30 day supply and walgreens already confirmed they will fill the 10ml rx 44 bucks with the goodrx coupon .
now to pay from that private md labs that was posted here to make sure i need the AI ( my test did NOT include that ) fail on the AI but got a larger bottle. kinda happy. I'm happy for you and imma let you finish... But IMT is not, at least in my experience so far, a place to get you bulked up or pose in G strings. They're very helpful if you can afford it (it's not terrible) and if you can't get it done locally. They're saving me much needed time and money, and probably helping my health considering some of the "aggressive treatment" policies at my local T clinic. If Todd wants to holler at me about the G strings I guess he can...I hope he likes bears. 
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Posted: 8/1/2016 9:58:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
I'm happy for you and imma let you finish... But IMT is not, at least in my experience so far, a place to get you bulked up or pose in G strings. They're very helpful if you can afford it (it's not terrible) and if you can't get it done locally. They're saving me much needed time and money, and probably helping my health considering some of the "aggressive treatment" policies at my local T clinic. If Todd wants to holler at me about the G strings I guess he can...I hope he likes bears. at that point i felt she was probing.. the student Nurse Practitioner started pushing back when she said i was close to the "min" range.. and to her that was good enough. saying things like.. "why are you men in denial about your age ? " not meant cheap shot to increase my t .com or similar clinics didnt mean it that way ... i meant it to deflect that i was trying to get more.. ( and i was )
i was trying to get a bigger bottle and a bigger dose and she questioned it. if i may ask what do those clinics run ? you can IM if you dont wanna post |
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Posted: 8/1/2016 10:44:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
"Kind of like a hog"
Does that work? I don't know anything about them --the 4 legged kind... Yea sir it does. Trapped them for beer money in college. Trapped the two legged ones as well in college. They weren't as profitable. 
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Posted: 8/1/2016 10:45:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
at that point i felt she was probing.. the student Nurse Practitioner started pushing back when she said i was close to the "min" range.. and to her that was good enough. saying things like.. "why are you men in denial about your age ? " not meant cheap shot to increase my t .com or similar clinics didnt mean it that way ... i meant it to deflect that i was trying to get more.. ( and i was )
i was trying to get a bigger bottle and a bigger dose and she questioned it. if i may ask what do those clinics run ? you can IM if you dont wanna post Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
I'm happy for you and imma let you finish... But IMT is not, at least in my experience so far, a place to get you bulked up or pose in G strings. They're very helpful if you can afford it (it's not terrible) and if you can't get it done locally. They're saving me much needed time and money, and probably helping my health considering some of the "aggressive treatment" policies at my local T clinic. If Todd wants to holler at me about the G strings I guess he can...I hope he likes bears. at that point i felt she was probing.. the student Nurse Practitioner started pushing back when she said i was close to the "min" range.. and to her that was good enough. saying things like.. "why are you men in denial about your age ? " not meant cheap shot to increase my t .com or similar clinics didnt mean it that way ... i meant it to deflect that i was trying to get more.. ( and i was )
i was trying to get a bigger bottle and a bigger dose and she questioned it. if i may ask what do those clinics run ? you can IM if you dont wanna post On second reading I picked up what you were laying down. My bad.
The local place I went to was 50 per week. That included labs every 6 weeks and your AI dose. HcG started at $10 but had gone up to 20 before I left. If your insurance covered it, I'm sure it was cheaper. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 2:50:19 PM EDT
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small update:
took shot #4 Aug 2. shot 1 was 50mg shot 2 was 50mg shot 3 was 50mg shot 4 was 100mg lets just say i could not roll out of bed this morning. (see pic)
all im gonna say is this ( see pic) ...... and carry on with my wonderful day i wasnt tested for my E.. but im gonna call it as in range 
the next morning after shot #4 
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Posted: 8/3/2016 2:53:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
small update: took shot #4 Aug 2. shot 1 was 50mg shot 2 was 50mg shot 3 was 50mg shot 4 was 100mg lets just say i could not roll out of bed this morning. (see pic)
all im gonna say is this ( see pic) ...... and carry on with my wonderful day i wasnt tested for my E.. but im gonna call it as in range
the next morning after shot #4 http://www.titanui.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/18/Toy-Story-Woody-Layered-PSD-02.jpg 
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:02:23 PM EDT
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Most recent labs after I started poking myself about 6 weeks ago.
.5ml of 200mg/ml twice a week, subQ. 250iu HcG the day before the T shots. 1/2 of an AI tab at every shot. TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, LC/MS/MS 1125 . HIGH 250-1100 ng/dL 03 FREE TESTOSTERONE 291.4 . HIGH 35.0-155.0 pg/mL 03 ESTRADIOL, ULTRASENSITIVE LC/MS/MS 11 < OR = 29 pg/mL 02 I also take 2 Citrus Bioflavanoids every day to help with HCT levels. Donated blood 4 weeks ago. My HGB then, according to their finger stick, was 19.something. That was after not donating since March. HEMOGLOBIN 15.9 13.2-17.1 g/dL 01 HEMATOCRIT 48.6 38.5-50.0 % 01 PSA was 0.8, TSH was 2.14, DHEA was 255. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:05:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Most recent labs after I started poking myself about 6 weeks ago. .5ml of 200mg/ml twice a week, subQ. 250iu HcG the day before the T shots. 1/2 of an AI tab at every shot. TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, LC/MS/MS 1125 . HIGH 250-1100 ng/dL 03 FREE TESTOSTERONE 291.4 . HIGH 35.0-155.0 pg/mL 03 ESTRADIOL, ULTRASENSITIVE LC/MS/MS 11 < OR = 29 pg/mL 02 I also take 2 Citrus Bioflavanoids every day to help with HCT levels. Donated blood 4 weeks ago. My HGB then, according to their finger stick, was 19.something. That was after not donating since March. HEMOGLOBIN 15.9 13.2-17.1 g/dL 01 HEMATOCRIT 48.6 38.5-50.0 % 01 PSA was 0.8, TSH was 2.14, DHEA was 255. Maybe too much T-C ---Sometimes not a good thing... E looks way too low, too much Arimidex likely... |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:09:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Maybe too much T-C ---Sometimes not a good thing... E looks way too low, too much Arimidex likely... Agreed on both counts. I'm gonna go down to .4ml and skip the AI for a week, then do half a tab every week. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:15:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Agreed on both counts. I'm gonna go down to .4ml and skip the AI for a week, then do half a tab every week. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Maybe too much T-C ---Sometimes not a good thing... E looks way too low, too much Arimidex likely... Agreed on both counts. I'm gonna go down to .4ml and skip the AI for a week, then do half a tab every week. That's ~ my protocol at the moment and sometimes .35 ml... Except mine is every 4 days... Alternating TC and HCG every 2 days. Maybe cut down the AI a LOT more than that, in fact maybe none until you feel your E2 returning... My AI is now about 1/4 a 1 mg tab twice a month or less... There was mention here of desirable E2 levels being in the up to 50 [LabCorp] range, and my last was ~50 2 months ago and I felt great. I've found less of everything ---while feeling good ---is desirable. After years of being on this and searching for the sweet spot... This said, we're all different... |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:19:31 PM EDT
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I just wanted to stop in and give a small update to my situation that I've been dealing with.
first. if you think you have low T.. get a solid physical and work up before doing anything. 4 years ago I started having some left foot swelling. not bad, but noticeable. Internal Med, Rheumatologists, Ortho's...nothing found except a diagnosis of mild lymphedema. (told to live with it...) my physicals were perfect. I'm a big guy, but workout.. do Warrior Dashes and Run and Guns. Chol 163 ,Glu - 95 4 years ago I started the downfall. just feeling like crap. gained 20 lbs that I could not loose. sex function and drive never changed- no difference, but I just was tired and it seemed like my workouts kept me sore for days on end. around Dec 2015- both feet started hurting. I went to a Podiatrist in march -16, who gave me a very thorough physical and recommended I see a Interventional Radiologist. I made some phone calls to my Pathologists and they recommended the same on my Podiatrist did. the IR was awesome. he told me that I was extremely healthy but ran a D Dimer for clots and other routine lab, we did some Scans, Ultrasounds and CT's and I added on a Testosterone and a TSH. my Testosterone came back at 204 with 400 being low norm. TSH was on the low end of normal. both the IR and myself agreed my TSH probably needs to be higher, but the low T fits exactly with his diagnosis of May -Thurner Syndrome. my Illiac Vein is collapsing and impeding flow, which causes the backup and swelling of the foot and in all likelihood the Low T from the circulatory issues from the Testicles.. now, I'm looking at getting a stent put in place. the bottom line. don't just start doping the T unless you get a proper check up for medical conditions. this thread has some extremely valuable info. kudo's to everyone bringing their knowledge to the table. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:29:17 PM EDT
[#31]
Yeah, I may let the AI go for awhile. I crashed my E earlier this year, and have no desire to repeat that again.
Also EXPY,  to you for recommending subQ so much along the thread. Doing IM in the leg wasn't bothering me at all, but SQ is just as easy and insulin needles are cheaper. It just takes about 30 seconds longer to draw out of the vial.
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:30:06 PM EDT
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[#32]
My most recent dosage change puts me at 0.4ml twice a week as well. I'm also doing 500iu of HCG 4x, the day before and day of the T injections, as I want to keep my fertility up. No AI as the doctors are following new research that says higher E is better. I know my E is up as it can get dusty in the room if I watch something sentimental. I could live without that but it isn't bad enough yet to take an AI.
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:33:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OKnativeson:
I just wanted to stop in and give a small update to my situation that I've been dealing with. first. if you think you have low T.. get a solid physical and work up before doing anything. 4 years ago I started having some left foot swelling. not bad, but noticeable. Internal Med, Rheumatologists, Ortho's...nothing found except a diagnosis of mild lymphedema. (told to live with it...) my physicals were perfect. I'm a big guy, but workout.. do Warrior Dashes and Run and Guns. Chol 163 ,Glu - 95 4 years ago I started the downfall. just feeling like crap. gained 20 lbs that I could not loose. sex function and drive never changed- no difference, but I just was tired and it seemed like my workouts kept me sore for days on end. around Dec 2015- both feet started hurting. I went to a Podiatrist in march -16, who gave me a very thorough physical and recommended I see a Interventional Radiologist. I made some phone calls to my Pathologists and they recommended the same on my Podiatrist did. the IR was awesome. he told me that I was extremely healthy but ran a D Dimer for clots and other routine lab, we did some Scans, Ultrasounds and CT's and I added on a Testosterone and a TSH. my Testosterone came back at 204 with 400 being low norm. TSH was on the low end of normal. both the IR and myself agreed my TSH probably needs to be higher, but the low T fits exactly with his diagnosis of May -Thurner Syndrome. my Illiac Vein is collapsing and impeding flow, which causes the backup and swelling of the foot and in all likelihood the Low T from the circulatory issues from the Testicles.. now, I'm looking at getting a stent put in place. the bottom line. don't just start doping the T unless you get a proper check up for medical conditions. this thread has some extremely valuable info. kudo's to everyone bringing their knowledge to the table. Interesting... This said, depending on your age and other factors, the circulatory issues may be an EFFECT of low T ---not the cause. Before any invasive and risky solutions, I'd prefer personally to try artificially raising my T levelto see what happens for 6 months... While monitoring the underlying issue... I've found a couple issues to go away after starting HRT... |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 3:37:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Yeah, I may let the AI go for awhile. I crashed my E earlier this year, and have no desire to repeat that again. Also EXPY, to you for recommending subQ so much along the thread. Doing IM in the leg wasn't bothering me at all, but SQ is just as easy and insulin needles are cheaper. It just takes about 30 seconds longer to draw out of the vial.Thank you for the nice comment Cowboy! You definitely have the ability to think outside the box...
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Posted: 8/3/2016 4:20:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Thank you for the nice comment Cowboy! You definitely have the ability to think outside the box...
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
Yeah, I may let the AI go for awhile. I crashed my E earlier this year, and have no desire to repeat that again. Also EXPY, to you for recommending subQ so much along the thread. Doing IM in the leg wasn't bothering me at all, but SQ is just as easy and insulin needles are cheaper. It just takes about 30 seconds longer to draw out of the vial.Thank you for the nice comment Cowboy! You definitely have the ability to think outside the box...
It took me long enough to get here. I blame public schools.
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Posted: 8/3/2016 4:25:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE:
My most recent dosage change puts me at 0.4ml twice a week as well. I'm also doing 500iu of HCG 4x, the day before and day of the T injections, as I want to keep my fertility up. No AI as the doctors are following new research that says higher E is better. I know my E is up as it can get dusty in the room if I watch something sentimental. I could live without that but it isn't bad enough yet to take an AI. 500 x4 is a lot of HcG! I guess if you're worried about baby batter you can't be too light with it though. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 8:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
500 x4 is a lot of HcG! I guess if you're worried about baby batter you can't be too light with it though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By SWIRE:
My most recent dosage change puts me at 0.4ml twice a week as well. I'm also doing 500iu of HCG 4x, the day before and day of the T injections, as I want to keep my fertility up. No AI as the doctors are following new research that says higher E is better. I know my E is up as it can get dusty in the room if I watch something sentimental. I could live without that but it isn't bad enough yet to take an AI. 500 x4 is a lot of HcG! I guess if you're worried about baby batter you can't be too light with it though. I did 1,000iu x3 per week before on HCG monotherapy. Didn't work. I'm doing 250iu x2 per week now. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 11:23:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OKnativeson]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Interesting... This said, depending on your age and other factors, the circulatory issues may be an EFFECT of low T ---not the cause. Before any invasive and risky solutions, I'd prefer personally to try artificially raising my T levelto see what happens for 6 months... While monitoring the underlying issue... I've found a couple issues to go away after starting HRT... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
I just wanted to stop in and give a small update to my situation that I've been dealing with. first. if you think you have low T.. get a solid physical and work up before doing anything. 4 years ago I started having some left foot swelling. not bad, but noticeable. Internal Med, Rheumatologists, Ortho's...nothing found except a diagnosis of mild lymphedema. (told to live with it...) my physicals were perfect. I'm a big guy, but workout.. do Warrior Dashes and Run and Guns. Chol 163 ,Glu - 95 4 years ago I started the downfall. just feeling like crap. gained 20 lbs that I could not loose. sex function and drive never changed- no difference, but I just was tired and it seemed like my workouts kept me sore for days on end. around Dec 2015- both feet started hurting. I went to a Podiatrist in march -16, who gave me a very thorough physical and recommended I see a Interventional Radiologist. I made some phone calls to my Pathologists and they recommended the same on my Podiatrist did. the IR was awesome. he told me that I was extremely healthy but ran a D Dimer for clots and other routine lab, we did some Scans, Ultrasounds and CT's and I added on a Testosterone and a TSH. my Testosterone came back at 204 with 400 being low norm. TSH was on the low end of normal. both the IR and myself agreed my TSH probably needs to be higher, but the low T fits exactly with his diagnosis of May -Thurner Syndrome. my Illiac Vein is collapsing and impeding flow, which causes the backup and swelling of the foot and in all likelihood the Low T from the circulatory issues from the Testicles.. now, I'm looking at getting a stent put in place. the bottom line. don't just start doping the T unless you get a proper check up for medical conditions. this thread has some extremely valuable info. kudo's to everyone bringing their knowledge to the table. Interesting... This said, depending on your age and other factors, the circulatory issues may be an EFFECT of low T ---not the cause. Before any invasive and risky solutions, I'd prefer personally to try artificially raising my T levelto see what happens for 6 months... While monitoring the underlying issue... I've found a couple issues to go away after starting HRT... here is the kicker. you make a good point. when putting together a case for the Insurance Company to approve the $80K procedure, you want all the evidence to point to that corrective action. all of my Drs and I are trying to decide right now to hold off any T replacement until after the procedure or go ahead and start it and see if the issues self correct. |
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Posted: 8/4/2016 4:22:42 AM EDT
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Went and did first blood work with the doc since starting injections. 50mg shot the day before the test put me at 1030. I took my shot on Friday morning and went and did the bloodwork but they called me later that night and said they had screwed up so I need to retest and went back Saturday. Hct was 46, didn't do an e2 test but I'm just going to run that on my own and see if my normal dose is working out.
Normal dose the last month 80mg twice a week, 250 hcg the day before each shot and 1/2mg ai with each shot. After I have my own labs done I can see what that puts me at, no feelings of crashing my e with that much ai but the tests will show where I'm really at. When I donated blood my hct was 48 I believe with this dose, I think their range was 44-54? Haven't taken a day off work since starting because I felt sick, last few years I swear I'd be sick at least once a month. |
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Posted: 8/4/2016 10:58:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy: 500 x4 is a lot of HcG! I guess if you're worried about baby batter you can't be too light with it though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy: Originally Posted By SWIRE: My most recent dosage change puts me at 0.4ml twice a week as well. I'm also doing 500iu of HCG 4x, the day before and day of the T injections, as I want to keep my fertility up. No AI as the doctors are following new research that says higher E is better. I know my E is up as it can get dusty in the room if I watch something sentimental. I could live without that but it isn't bad enough yet to take an AI. 500 x4 is a lot of HcG! I guess if you're worried about baby batter you can't be too light with it though. I came across a study on maintaining fertility which I might have posted it here at one point. The results of it were at 250iu 4x a week there was something like a 7% decrease in sperm count and with 500iu there was a 14% increase. They tried smaller doses all of which had a much larger down side. So I could get by with 250iu but HCG is fairly cheap and I want to be at my peak. It is possible to go too heavy with the dose, it over loads the receptors and they start to shutdown. There isn't any specific number on it but it is over 2000iu a week. |
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Posted: 8/4/2016 11:00:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: I did 1,000iu x3 per week before on HCG monotherapy. Didn't work. I'm doing 250iu x2 per week now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: Originally Posted By cowboy: Originally Posted By SWIRE: My most recent dosage change puts me at 0.4ml twice a week as well. I'm also doing 500iu of HCG 4x, the day before and day of the T injections, as I want to keep my fertility up. No AI as the doctors are following new research that says higher E is better. I know my E is up as it can get dusty in the room if I watch something sentimental. I could live without that but it isn't bad enough yet to take an AI. 500 x4 is a lot of HcG! I guess if you're worried about baby batter you can't be too light with it though. I did 1,000iu x3 per week before on HCG monotherapy. Didn't work. I'm doing 250iu x2 per week now. Yeah, there is only so much up side that HCG can provide. The largest T increase that I've seen with it was an increase of 80 but that wasn't a monotherapy either. |
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Posted: 8/4/2016 2:35:50 PM EDT
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well.. that was easy .
Anas trozole ( liquid ) lets see how long it takes to get here. |
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Posted: 8/5/2016 4:21:25 PM EDT
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Quick question that was likely answered in the other 233 pages buuuuuuuut...
I recently got my test. test results back after suspecting potentially low levels. What kind of a doctor do you go to for this? I doubt this is something the NP or PA-C handles at the local walk-in clinic. |
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Posted: 8/5/2016 4:25:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rem700PSS:
Quick question that was likely answered in the other 233 pages buuuuuuuut... I recently got my test. test results back after suspecting potentially low levels. What kind of a doctor do you go to for this? I doubt this is something the NP or PA-C handles at the local walk-in clinic. What were your levels? In my area you don't go anywhere higher than your family doctor without a referral. If you don't have that problem, you can go to your family doc, a urologist, an endocrinologist or first one then the others. You can also look for local low-t clinics. Or there are places online that can help you, in lieu of all the rest. |
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Posted: 8/5/2016 4:29:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2016 6:56:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Yeah, I may let the AI go for awhile. I crashed my E earlier this year, and have no desire to repeat that again. Also EXPY, to you for recommending subQ so much along the thread. Doing IM in the leg wasn't bothering me at all, but SQ is just as easy and insulin needles are cheaper. It just takes about 30 seconds longer to draw out of the vial.How long did it take to feel normal again? Did it make your face and shoulders feel hot? |
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Posted: 8/5/2016 7:29:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeteCO:
How long did it take to feel normal again? Did it make your face and shoulders feel hot? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeteCO:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
Yeah, I may let the AI go for awhile. I crashed my E earlier this year, and have no desire to repeat that again. Also EXPY, to you for recommending subQ so much along the thread. Doing IM in the leg wasn't bothering me at all, but SQ is just as easy and insulin needles are cheaper. It just takes about 30 seconds longer to draw out of the vial.How long did it take to feel normal again? Did it make your face and shoulders feel hot? Weeks, man. 3-4 at least and that was with a big T dose doing its thing. I should have taken some better notes on the labs and what felt like what and when. I didn't have anything feel hot. If my HCT is high I feel be a little flushed/hot feeling randomly. That's usually my back though. |
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Posted: 8/5/2016 8:37:34 PM EDT
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Regarding T-C administration needles...
25 ga or so needles are cheap by the case on ebay, etc., and fit insulin syringes fine. Fast to load [~35 seconds depending on temp, length and dose] and perfect for SQ injection. Buy the cheapest BD and other good brands you can find Don't be put off if they aren't 1/2 inch, any longer length is fine, just stick it in ~1/2 inch. You can clip the length of the needle shroud to make a 'spacer' to adjust how far the needle goes in. This works for SQ or IM... |
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Posted: 8/6/2016 8:25:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Weeks, man. 3-4 at least and that was with a big T dose doing its thing. I should have taken some better notes on the labs and what felt like what and when. I didn't have anything feel hot. If my HCT is high I feel be a little flushed/hot feeling randomly. That's usually my back though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By PeteCO:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
Yeah, I may let the AI go for awhile. I crashed my E earlier this year, and have no desire to repeat that again. Also EXPY, to you for recommending subQ so much along the thread. Doing IM in the leg wasn't bothering me at all, but SQ is just as easy and insulin needles are cheaper. It just takes about 30 seconds longer to draw out of the vial.How long did it take to feel normal again? Did it make your face and shoulders feel hot? Weeks, man. 3-4 at least and that was with a big T dose doing its thing. I should have taken some better notes on the labs and what felt like what and when. I didn't have anything feel hot. If my HCT is high I feel be a little flushed/hot feeling randomly. That's usually my back though. What's weird is usually my joints are very sensitive to low e. I crashed mine all the way down to a 6 and I felt no different this time. |
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Posted: 8/8/2016 3:12:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
small update: took shot #4 Aug 2. shot 1 was 50mg shot 2 was 50mg shot 3 was 50mg shot 4 was 100mg lets just say i could not roll out of bed this morning. (see pic)
all im gonna say is this ( see pic) ...... and carry on with my wonderful day i wasnt tested for my E.. but im gonna call it as in range
the next morning after shot #4 http://www.titanui.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/18/Toy-Story-Woody-Layered-PSD-02.jpg how to say this.. meh this thread has it all and it hasnt gone to shit so here it goes. week 4 - 6 days since last shot. shot 5(100mg) is in 24 hours. . side note .. no crash/tired feeling still feel great on the last day erections are rock hard and on demand now.. but yes there is a but .. i dont climax / ejaculate the pros is - I can go for a significant amount of time longer cons - "I" dont finish. right now I see it as making it up to the mrs for times past.. but im gonna need to get this resolved. is it doc time ? i still dont know my "E" numbers could it have something to do with that ? but the "woody" is like Iron at this point. no cialis/viagra ( i have the indian versions.. its like that but without the need for the pills now ) im only caught up to page 125 but wanted to bring this up. any input on this? TLDR+ -good erections -lasts way longer -do not climax -last day of week 4 TC @ 100mg still feeling great |
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