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Posted: 3/29/2024 4:08:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By subcomunic8r: They were not DOT employees, the work was contracted out. I wonder if MD law has anything to say about contractors and illegal employment? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By subcomunic8r: Originally Posted By atavistic: Were the workers here legally or illegally? It seems germane if the Maryland DOT is hiring illegals for road work. I'm not suggesting they caused the accident, but it would be helpful to know if government contractors are violating the law. They were not DOT employees, the work was contracted out. I wonder if MD law has anything to say about contractors and illegal employment? Federal law does. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:01:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: but think of the local marine life. probably not a fun day if people start popping off detcord in the water nearby.  Probably not a lot of marine life in Baltimore Harbor. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:12:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Probably not a lot of marine life in Baltimore Harbor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Originally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: but think of the local marine life. probably not a fun day if people start popping off detcord in the water nearby. Probably not a lot of marine life in Baltimore Harbor. There is BUT the area and river around the east (?) side of Key bridge was heavily polluted from a paint manufacturing plant. There was a warning to NOT eat any fish or seafood taken from that area. I'm confident a lot of the silt on the river bed there is quite toxic. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:22:47 PM EDT
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Seems the turns happened when power returned, torque steer from the prop? Turns happen when the black smoke is belching out. Seems it got the stern pushed north from maybe rudder or just prop torque and unable to correct that.
 MV Dali Hitting Key Bridge in Baltimore - Track and Video Analysis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:28:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: but think of the local marine life. probably not a fun day if people start popping off detcord in the water nearby. That’s why John Kelly used to set off a small charge right before, to scare the fish out of the area. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Probably not a lot of marine life in Baltimore Harbor. Yeah not really. One of the guys on my boat fished Curtis Creek every single day we were in the yard and didn’t catch shit. You get lower in the Chesapeake and they’re all about the cobia and stripers though. Might be some good ones in the deep channel making the steel structure their new home though |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:43:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgenlvtex: I don't know where or how knowing the status of these people is helpful beyond curiosity sake and/or serving as a distraction. 1) They are here illegally...violating our immigration laws. 2) They negatively impact the medical care available to US citizens by using the emergency room and other medical care resources. 3) They negatively impact the school system by enrolling their crotch fruit in our schools...thus "stealing" part of my property taxes. 4) They contribute to crime including vehicle crashes, murders and probably rapes, burglaries etc. 5) They are undermining out voting process. 6) They probably live somewhere so adversely affect the housing market. 7) Like in this case, they take away tens of millions of jobs from Americans. 8) They appear to be getting substantial financial aid. Whether that is from taxes, commie humanitarian organizations or both but either way it is still a "theft" of our taxes or resources that can go to Americans. Deport all 50-70 million illegals |
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HI, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:47:57 PM EDT
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Random question came to mind - why is the east coast often referred to as the eastern seaboard while I have never heard of the West coast referred to as the western seaboard? Is it due to the bathemetry, perhaps the relative shallowness of the waters off the east coast?
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: Yeah not really. One of the guys on my boat fished Curtis Creek every single day we were in the yard and didn’t catch shit. You get lower in the Chesapeake and they’re all about the cobia and stripers though. Might be some good ones in the deep channel making the steel structure their new home though Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Probably not a lot of marine life in Baltimore Harbor. Yeah not really. One of the guys on my boat fished Curtis Creek every single day we were in the yard and didn’t catch shit. You get lower in the Chesapeake and they’re all about the cobia and stripers though. Might be some good ones in the deep channel making the steel structure their new home though Wasn't Baltimore ranked near Boston Harbor for most polluted Harbors back 30 years ago? I know Boston had the Chlorine production factories discharging into the harbor and their combined sewer/runoff dumped untreated sewage into the harbor when it rained, not sure if Baltimore had a similar setup and factories just dumping water into the harbor so there weren't really any fish to catch and the scavengers of the water that were there had essentially toxic meat and there were signs not to eat anything caught. That didn't stop the people from the orient who would catch and eat anything. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:51:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: 1) They are here illegally...violating our immigration laws. 2) They negatively impact the medical care available to US citizens by using the emergency room and other medical care resources. 3) They negatively impact the school system by enrolling their crotch fruit in our schools...thus "stealing" part of my property taxes. 4) They contribute to crime including vehicle crashes, murders and probably rapes, burglaries etc. 5) They are undermining out voting process. 6) They probably live somewhere so adversely affect the housing market. 7) Like in this case, they take away tens of millions of jobs from Americans. Deport all 50-70 million illegals |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:53:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cataly5t: Random question came to mind - why is the east coast often referred to as the eastern seaboard while I have never heard of the West coast referred to as the western seaboard? Is it due to the bathemetry, perhaps the relative shallowness of the waters off the east coast? "Seaboard" is a term used by white European settlers on the east coast area. By the time people got to the west coast they had slung off the Euroweenie language. |
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HI, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: "Seaboard" is a term used by white European settlers on the east coast area. By the time people got to the west coast they had slung off the Euroweenie language. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Originally Posted By Cataly5t: Random question came to mind - why is the east coast often referred to as the eastern seaboard while I have never heard of the West coast referred to as the western seaboard? Is it due to the bathemetry, perhaps the relative shallowness of the waters off the east coast? "Seaboard" is a term used by white European settlers on the east coast area. By the time people got to the west coast they had slung off the Euroweenie language. Lol! Looks at state, understands why so angry 
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:06:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
[#13]
Tunnel and Next bridge to the NW (I-895) are getting hammered in one direction Rest of it looks orange and red intermittently everywhere from the live traffic map. It's 6pm there, I don't know when their peak is, I'd assume 4pm-6pm EST.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:23:38 PM EDT
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Company that re-floated ship in 2008 salvaging Key Bridge site
 Company that re-floated ship in 2008 salvaging Key Bridge site The company that will oversee the removal of the ship that struck and collapsed the Francis Scott Key Bridge has prior experience in the Baltimore harbor, 11 News Investigates has learned. After a 700-foot container ship dubbed the MV Sea Witch sank in the Patapsco River in 2003, salvage firm Resolve Marine was tasked with re-floating the ship, removing it and dismantling it. The Port of Baltimore is one of the busiest in the nation, and clearing the channel and re-opening the port can only happen once the ship is removed. Parts of the Key Bridge currently rest on top of the Dali cargo ship, pinning it against the Patapsco riverbed. https://resolvemarine.com/ 
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:53:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Wasn't Baltimore ranked near Boston Harbor for most polluted Harbors back 30 years ago? I know Boston had the Chlorine production factories discharging into the harbor and their combined sewer/runoff dumped untreated sewage into the harbor when it rained, not sure if Baltimore had a similar setup and factories just dumping water into the harbor so there weren't really any fish to catch and the scavengers of the water that were there had essentially toxic meat and there were signs not to eat anything caught. That didn't stop the people from the orient who would catch and eat anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Probably not a lot of marine life in Baltimore Harbor. Yeah not really. One of the guys on my boat fished Curtis Creek every single day we were in the yard and didn't catch shit. You get lower in the Chesapeake and they're all about the cobia and stripers though. Might be some good ones in the deep channel making the steel structure their new home though Wasn't Baltimore ranked near Boston Harbor for most polluted Harbors back 30 years ago? I know Boston had the Chlorine production factories discharging into the harbor and their combined sewer/runoff dumped untreated sewage into the harbor when it rained, not sure if Baltimore had a similar setup and factories just dumping water into the harbor so there weren't really any fish to catch and the scavengers of the water that were there had essentially toxic meat and there were signs not to eat anything caught. That didn't stop the people from the orient who would catch and eat anything. The rule back in the 80s was never to eat lobster in a restaurant in Boston. I used to run all over that filthy harbor in a little runabout and it was all I could do to avoid the lobster traps that were everywhere. Disgusting. I went along one time with a buddy from TN that wanted to fish the Charles river. He pulled up huge catfish but they were covered in lesions. He got over the urge to fish in Boston. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:18:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KELBEAST]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Wasn't Baltimore ranked near Boston Harbor for most polluted Harbors back 30 years ago? I know Boston had the Chlorine production factories discharging into the harbor and their combined sewer/runoff dumped untreated sewage into the harbor when it rained, not sure if Baltimore had a similar setup and factories just dumping water into the harbor so there weren't really any fish to catch and the scavengers of the water that were there had essentially toxic meat and there were signs not to eat anything caught. That didn't stop the people from the orient who would catch and eat anything. I don’t know about that, I’m from the West Virginia part of Maryland. I can tell you that I’ve been to a lot of places in the planet, and Boston had the WORST potable water I’ve ever seen. Only place (and that includes 3rd world countries) where the potable water shore connection on the pier flowed brown for 5-10 minutes before finally turning clear enough to hook up to the ship |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:32:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bgenlvtex]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: 1) They are here illegally...violating our immigration laws. 2) They negatively impact the medical care available to US citizens by using the emergency room and other medical care resources. 3) They negatively impact the school system by enrolling their crotch fruit in our schools...thus "stealing" part of my property taxes. 4) They contribute to crime including vehicle crashes, murders and probably rapes, burglaries etc. 5) They are undermining out voting process. 6) They probably live somewhere so adversely affect the housing market. 7) Like in this case, they take away tens of millions of jobs from Americans. 8) They appear to be getting substantial financial aid. Whether that is from taxes, commie humanitarian organizations or both but either way it is still a "theft" of our taxes or resources that can go to Americans. Deport all 50-70 million illegals Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Originally Posted By bgenlvtex: I don't know where or how knowing the status of these people is helpful beyond curiosity sake and/or serving as a distraction. 1) They are here illegally...violating our immigration laws. 2) They negatively impact the medical care available to US citizens by using the emergency room and other medical care resources. 3) They negatively impact the school system by enrolling their crotch fruit in our schools...thus "stealing" part of my property taxes. 4) They contribute to crime including vehicle crashes, murders and probably rapes, burglaries etc. 5) They are undermining out voting process. 6) They probably live somewhere so adversely affect the housing market. 7) Like in this case, they take away tens of millions of jobs from Americans. 8) They appear to be getting substantial financial aid. Whether that is from taxes, commie humanitarian organizations or both but either way it is still a "theft" of our taxes or resources that can go to Americans. Deport all 50-70 million illegals I'm with you 100%. The Federal Government is responsible for them being here, they say, "Fuck you and your laws" "Deport" the Federal Government, all of them . |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:36:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eolian: Biden once took a train over that bridge its vital to the nation. Once? Said he did it numerous times. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:38:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Poodleshooter: It took 5 years to build it in the 70s, FWIW. Given that this will require removal of wreckage and probably a complete redesign of the busted bridge piers, it's not too surprising. Build a tunnel instead? |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:39:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Once? Said he did it numerous times. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Originally Posted By eolian: Biden once took a train over that bridge its vital to the nation. Once? Said he did it numerous times. I'm really hoping that someone in the press pool asks if the railway across the bridge is going to be prioritized so KJP can fill us in. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:44:18 PM EDT
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What was in the containers? Shit from China? Or shit from the US?
Seems like they wouldn't stop in the US and not unload them all? Or is that not how any of this works 
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobbyHill: What was in the containers? Shit from China? Or shit from the US? Seems like they wouldn't stop in the US and not unload them all? Or is that not how any of this works Generally speaking, a container ship will be loading and discharging at every port. Kind of like a bus making stops. Some get on, some get off. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:52:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Build a tunnel instead? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Originally Posted By Poodleshooter: It took 5 years to build it in the 70s, FWIW. Given that this will require removal of wreckage and probably a complete redesign of the busted bridge piers, it's not too surprising. Build a tunnel instead? Hazardous materials are generally not allowed in tunnels. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:56:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Tunnel and Next bridge to the NW (I-895) are getting hammered in one direction Rest of it looks orange and red intermittently everywhere from the live traffic map. It's 6pm there, I don't know when their peak is, I'd assume 4pm-6pm EST. https://i.imgur.com/sFESR60.png https://i.imgur.com/kxdl2Tt.png Normal but also holiday weekend. Traffic starts building around 2pm on normal days. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:57:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LurchAddams]
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Indian crew is still onboard the ship.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2024/03/29/dali-ship-crew-baltimore-bridge-collapse/ |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:58:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgenlvtex: I'm really hoping that someone in the press pool asks if the railway across the bridge is going to be prioritized so KJP can fill us in. Make it a light rail project and the price will quadruple, planning will take 20 years, and the final design won't meet Coast Guard specs for marine traffic. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:00:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: Indian crew is still onboard the ship. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2024/03/29/dali-ship-crew-baltimore-bridge-collapse/ I'm guessing that's for their own safety. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:03:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Generally speaking, a container ship will be loading and discharging at every port. Kind of like a bus making stops. Some get on, some get off. Interesting. And that makes sense. I never really thought about it until now. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Build a tunnel instead? I’m on 2 tunnel projects right now. It will cost more and take longer LOL |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:09:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Generally speaking, a container ship will be loading and discharging at every port. Kind of like a bus making stops. Some get on, some get off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By BobbyHill: What was in the containers? Shit from China? Or shit from the US? Seems like they wouldn't stop in the US and not unload them all? Or is that not how any of this works Generally speaking, a container ship will be loading and discharging at every port. Kind of like a bus making stops. Some get on, some get off. My company (freight forwarder) has a container on the Dali. Export box that loaded at Norfolk, the previous port call. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobbyHill: What was in the containers? Shit from China? Or shit from the US? Seems like they wouldn't stop in the US and not unload them all? Or is that not how any of this works So probably raw materials for agriculture, 'craft' or clothing industry and goods from the US or possibly other prior stops. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:19:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: 1) They are here illegally...violating our immigration laws. 2) They negatively impact the medical care available to US citizens by using the emergency room and other medical care resources. 3) They negatively impact the school system by enrolling their crotch fruit in our schools...thus "stealing" part of my property taxes. 4) They contribute to crime including vehicle crashes, murders and probably rapes, burglaries etc. 5) They are undermining out voting process. 6) They probably live somewhere so adversely affect the housing market. 7) Like in this case, they take away tens of millions of jobs from Americans. 8) They appear to be getting substantial financial aid. Whether that is from taxes, commie humanitarian organizations or both but either way it is still a "theft" of our taxes or resources that can go to Americans. Deport all 50-70 million illegals Illegals counted in the census account for 23 of the Democratic seats currently in the House. This years surge will get them 5-7 more. That's why the Democrats want open borders and "sanctuary" cities - Those illegals get them seats and power. Without illegals in sanctuary cities, there would be a strong Republican majority in the House and the Democrats know it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:37:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LoBrau]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dboy11: I’m on 2 tunnel projects right now. It will cost more and take longer LOL Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dboy11: Originally Posted By dirtyboy: Build a tunnel instead? I’m on 2 tunnel projects right now. It will cost more and take longer LOL Doesn't help when they hit a fucking anchor 60ft under the bottom of the bay and stop work for god knows how long.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:46:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: but think of the local marine life. probably not a fun day if people start popping off detcord in the water nearby. Maybe on the above water pieces?? Is det cord that loud, all I've been around were short chunks used to breach doors. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:47:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G-lock: Maybe on the above water pieces?? Is det cord that loud, all I've been around were short chunks used to breach doors. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G-lock: Originally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: but think of the local marine life. probably not a fun day if people start popping off detcord in the water nearby. Maybe on the above water pieces?? Is det cord that loud, all I've been around were short chunks used to breach doors. Sounds like a shotgun unless a whole bunch of it was used. With blanket tamping, the demolition of buildings is just a thump and not some huge kaboom as seen in Michael Bay movies. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:27:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dboy11]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: Doesn't help when they hit a fucking anchor 60ft under the bottom of the bay and stop work for god knows how long. LOL ol girl should be up and running and shortly! Jet grout is going in hard right now! The other one is about to start the switcharoo Things are about to get crazy with those projects. This bridge is taking most of the marine resources away from them |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:53:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dboy11: LOL ol girl should be up and running and shortly! Jet grout is going in hard right now! The other one is about to start the switcharoo Things are about to get crazy with those projects. This bridge is taking most of the marine resources away from them Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dboy11: Originally Posted By LoBrau: Doesn't help when they hit a fucking anchor 60ft under the bottom of the bay and stop work for god knows how long. LOL ol girl should be up and running and shortly! Jet grout is going in hard right now! The other one is about to start the switcharoo Things are about to get crazy with those projects. This bridge is taking most of the marine resources away from them I think they'd be able to drag the deck and truss out of the channel for later removal once they get the ship free. I didn't realize it was pushed to the bottom of the channel by the weight of the bridge, but it explains why it hasn't moved, in addition to port anchor, anyway. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: I think they'd be able to drag the deck and truss out of the channel for later removal once they get the ship free. I didn't realize it was pushed to the bottom of the channel by the weight of the bridge, but it explains why it hasn't moved, in addition to port anchor, anyway. Ooo ya she sitting on the bottom good. I think I’m heading there Sunday so I can report back then It’s either that or I’m going to play truck driver and go pickup equipment where some of my other can’t get to because of badging. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: 1) They are here illegally...violating our immigration laws. 2) They negatively impact the medical care available to US citizens by using the emergency room and other medical care resources. 3) They negatively impact the school system by enrolling their crotch fruit in our schools...thus "stealing" part of my property taxes. 4) They contribute to crime including vehicle crashes, murders and probably rapes, burglaries etc. 5) They are undermining out voting process. 6) They probably live somewhere so adversely affect the housing market. 7) Like in this case, they take away tens of millions of jobs from Americans. 8) They appear to be getting substantial financial aid. Whether that is from taxes, commie humanitarian organizations or both but either way it is still a "theft" of our taxes or resources that can go to Americans. Deport all 50-70 million illegals Deport them to places they very much don't want to go. Places that are very difficult to leave. Desolation Island would be an appropriate place given the seriousness of their crimes. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:22:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: Indian crew is still onboard the ship. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2024/03/29/dali-ship-crew-baltimore-bridge-collapse/ Link has HIV |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:29:38 PM EDT
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Giant chains to bridge thej to a couple aircraft carriers
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:05:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:38:34 PM EDT
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When a ship experiences a full blackout, you immediately lose all steering.
The bigger problem is the rudder is locked whenever it was when the power went out. Ships never move in a straight line. Attached is a picture of a ship course recorder. Notice how the heading is not a straight line. The best helmsmen will steer a ship in a a tight sine wave. A few degrees port rudder. Hold Back to zero degrees rudder Hold A few degrees to port Hold But truly exceptional helmsmen are rare. Most will over correct on one side of the course line or another. They will have periods of looser waves and tighter waves. The best case scenario is if the power failure happens when the helmsman is holding at zero degrees rudder. But even then the ship will be pushed off course by the wind (and current) So in fact the best scenario is if you lose power during the point in the sine curve when the helm is turned slightly into the prevailing wind (and current) Now some ships are designed to return the rudder to centerline in the event of a power failure but this feature is not universal because they add complexity and cost into the system. And even if it the rudder was returned to zero, centerline is not optimal (a slight heading into the prevailing conditions is and no steering failure systems are designed for that). We don’t where the Dali’s rudder was at the time of the blackout (NTSB will examine the course recorder charts) but chances are it wasn’t centered at the exact moment of the blackout. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 12:20:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: I don't have enough solid/credible info to decide the cause just yet, so will wait before coming to my own conclusion. However, I do find it interesting that the ship just happened to impact the most strategic point of the bridge. Those two truss pillars are the ONLY part of the bridge that a ship can hit. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 2:05:04 AM EDT
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My Danish ship captain friend living here in Pattaya sent me this video in which a ship engineer expert gives his explanation of what happened, and my friend agrees with this experts opinion.
 Expert Ships Engineer Reacts to Baltimore Bridge Crash |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 2:21:22 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: I think they'd be able to drag the deck and truss out of the channel for later removal once they get the ship free. I didn't realize it was pushed to the bottom of the channel by the weight of the bridge, but it explains why it hasn't moved, in addition to port anchor, anyway. She's noticably down by the bow. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 4:27:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2024 7:43:20 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: My Danish ship captain friend living here in Pattaya sent me this video in which a ship engineer expert gives his explanation of what happened, and my friend agrees with this experts opinion.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEzDh4RwpaMInteresting. So the pilot did the instinctual thing going into reverse, but maybe not the right thing in this case. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 7:47:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: https://i.imgur.com/b93Fyfy.jpeg Not sure what's going on here. Is there a suggestion that illegal workers filling pot holes on the bridge somehow caused the ship to crash into the bridge? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 8:40:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Missed the bumper by about 20ft. https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2024/03/2024-baltimore-major-bridge-baltimore-889711672_d25f04.jpg?w=1440 It's common on arfcom to be completely unaware of camera angle and telephoto lenses presenting distorted perceptions. Photos in this post make it clear that the ship is pretty far away. Also, I have no idea what those bumpers were actually supposed to accomplish. Pinball bumpers serve no purpose against marine traffic. |
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