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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:37:54 PM EDT
A year later, Florida businesses say the state's immigration law dealt a huge blow
PLANT CITY, Fla. It's early morning in this small agricultural town in Central Florida and the pickers are already hunched over the bushes, plucking strawberries, the main crop out here. Fidel Sanchez instructs his workers to get rid of the fruit that fell and rotted on the ground. Like other farmers out here, Sanchez is worried about how long he will be able to keep his business going. About a year ago, Florida Governor- and then presidential candidate- Ron DeSantis passed one of the toughest crackdowns on immigration in the country. SB1718 punishes employers who use undocumented labor and forbids undocumented people from having a driver's license. Many local Florida businesses say the new law has led to workers leaving the state that's hurt their bottom line. "A lot of people are scared," says Sanchez. "A lot of people went north and never came back." Sanchez says the effect of the law was immediate. Families he'd worked with for 20 or 30 years were gone from one day to the next. "The government doesn't seem to care," he says. "Maybe they think the crops are gonna pick themselves." The Pew Research Center estimates there is close to one million undocumented people. Even if just a fraction of them were to leave, Hetrick says, "how do these cities get built? How do the houses get built? We all know very well how these things are being built." Oh I don’t know maybe companies will just have to pay actual Americans a living wage rather hiring illegals which ends up suppressing wages for Americans If your business model requires the use of illegal immigrant labor you deserve to go out of business. Pushing cheap illegal labor out of the labor market is how you raise wages for Americans. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:41:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GlockZen]
[#1]
Originally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: A year later, Florida businesses say the state's immigration law dealt a huge blow PLANT CITY, Fla. It's early morning in this small agricultural town in Central Florida and the pickers are already hunched over the bushes, plucking strawberries, the main crop out here. Fidel Sanchez instructs his workers to get rid of the fruit that fell and rotted on the ground. Like other farmers out here, Sanchez is worried about how long he will be able to keep his business going. About a year ago, Florida Governor- and then presidential candidate- Ron DeSantis passed one of the toughest crackdowns on immigration in the country. SB1718 punishes employers who use undocumented labor and forbids undocumented people from having a driver's license. Many local Florida businesses say the new law has led to workers leaving the state that's hurt their bottom line. "A lot of people are scared," says Sanchez. "A lot of people went north and never came back." Sanchez says the effect of the law was immediate. Families he'd worked with for 20 or 30 years were gone from one day to the next. "The government doesn't seem to care," he says. "Maybe they think the crops are gonna pick themselves." The Pew Research Center estimates there is close to one million undocumented people. Even if just a fraction of them were to leave, Hetrick says, "how do these cities get built? How do the houses get built? We all know very well how these things are being built." Oh I don’t know maybe companies will just have to pay actual Americans a living wage rather hiring illegals which ends up suppressing wages for Americans If your business model requires the use of illegal immigrant labor you deserve to go out of business. Pushing cheap illegal labor out of the labor market is how you raise wages for Americans. I agree hire American labor, just be prepared to pay $10.00 for a Quart of Orange Juice. Cantillon Effect, baby |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:41:24 PM EDT
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Boot illegals out, fine anyone hiring an illegal $100,000 per illegal, no lowering of the fine.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:43:22 PM EDT
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Hire legal temporary workers would be ok.
How many Americans will do that job? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:51:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaime1982: Hire legal temporary workers would be ok. How many Americans will do that job? Plenty if the next text they got concerning their EBT card load said "you lose, you get nothing, good day" |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:56:11 PM EDT
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Fidel Sanchez can't stay in business if he doesn't keep up with technology....
We don't need anymore stinkin' berry pickers Someone needs to tell Lyndsey Graham and Tom Tillis that the days of needing thousands of illiterate invaders from Central America should be over. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:56:41 PM EDT
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I do not understand how the same people that support a minimum wage also support employing illegals.
The whole reason it is lucrative to employ illegals is because they can and will work for less than minimum wage. The one entirely stupid thing the voters of Florida voted for in 2020 was a $15 state minimum wage. It is being implemented incrementally but I think it's up to $14 now. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:57:24 PM EDT
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Fidel needs to sire more children, like the old days.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:58:46 PM EDT
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You know we used to have this thing called migrant labor. They got this thing called a green card and it was good for 6 months or more. And you would go work in the US a few months and bring back decent money for your home country. Gee why can’t we keep a system like that ???
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:00:59 PM EDT
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Dirty Sanchez
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:02:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1cheapshot: You know we used to have this thing called migrant labor. They got this thing called a green card and it was good for 6 months or more. And you would go work in the US a few months and bring back decent money for your home country. Gee why can’t we keep a system like that ??? Because you didn't get that sweet universal basic income we give out in the form of SSD, SNAP, TANF, utility and cell phone assistance plans, and subsidized medical care and housing. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1cheapshot: You know we used to have this thing called migrant labor. They got this thing called a green card and it was good for 6 months or more. And you would go work in the US a few months and bring back decent money for your home country. Gee why can't we keep a system like that ??? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:05:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1cheapshot: You know we used to have this thing called migrant labor. They got this thing called a green card and it was good for 6 months or more. And you would go work in the US a few months and bring back decent money for your home country. Gee why can’t we keep a system like that ??? yes growing up in NC saw the migrant labor camps, buses, etc there WAS a legal way to 'import' seasonal foreign workers. win / win don't know what happened to that 'officially' |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:05:50 PM EDT
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I'm honestly shocked a guy named Fidel Sanchez is mad about having his slaves taken away... /s
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kubota3430: Boot illegals out, fine anyone hiring an illegal $100,000 per illegal, no lowering of the fine. 100% agree. Plenty of folks that are LEGAL and American in need of jobs. Only problem is that these people need to WORK but so many refuse to. While DeSantis is at it, cut welfare and make it mandatory for able bodied folks to get a job and disqualify them for welfare. Make the disabled work jobs they are capable of doing. Those in true need can still be provided and need to seek ways of making folks independent and not dependent on leftist liberals in office. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:10:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigred1001: Plenty if the next text they got concerning their EBT card load said "you lose, you get nothing, good day" Exactly!!! |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:11:54 PM EDT
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It's funny (not ha-ha) around here if somebody loses government benefits often they start stealing copper, breaking in cars, selling drugs, or whatever crime rather than working a job. It's like working isn't even in the realm of possibility for some people. I don't understand it, because I've seen what they're making off their criminal enterprise, and they could beat that on average slinging fast food.
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:13:15 PM EDT
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In before the “Biden’s economy busting my budget. I can’t even afford strawberries. FJB”
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:17:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
[#18]
We don’t need illegals, as there are no “ jobs Americans won’t do”. Americans have never WANTED to work shitty jobs, neither has ANYONE in the history of the planet. They worked shitty jobs because if they didn’t, they would starve to death.
U.S. government pays tens of millions of able bodied people to sit on their ass, gives them food, housing, etc. or gives them just enough money they only work gig jobs occasionally , , or mom n dad provide for their adult kids, as “ they are too good for manual labor jobs “. the same people who are at the bottom, intelligence / skills / ability / mentally / experience wise who are the types who would be working shitty jobs. Cut off welfare / cut welfare 80%, limiting it to only severely handicapped individuals, or those with extremely serious conditions, cut off 90% of the various gov monies being doled out and BOOM, people suddenly want a job, and will work any job to survive. It’s going to happen in a few years anyway, once government bankrupts itself ebt cards won’t get loaded, food stamp benefits won’t get paid, section 8 will dry up, and after 6 months of violence, protests, and brutality, they will get hungry enough to go pick crops, roof houses, did ditches, in many cases first member of their family in generations to work a actual job. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:22:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaime1982: Hire legal temporary workers would be ok. How many Americans will do that job? Surely OP will... |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:24:09 PM EDT
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The numbers are out of date, but years ago I read an article about the cost of picking lettuce. It tried to say with out illegals the cost of lettuce would sky rocket. Then it broke it down and anyone who read between the lines knew it was bullshit.
The average worker picking lettuce would pick 120-150 heads of lettuce an hour. The article said they paid by the head, which was 3 cents each at the time lettuce was an average of 89 cents in the store. At the time min wage was like 6.50 an hour. So the workers made 3.6 an hour, so even paying them min wage would add 3 cents to a head of lettuce, big fucking deal. Of course the article never mentioned that the cost would go up 3 cents, or even did the math, just said the cost would skyrocket. Scare head lines, that most would never read past the first paragraph or even think about the actual numbers. I have read similar about strawberrys, it would drive the cost up like 10-15 cents a package. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:26:34 PM EDT
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The Pew Research Center is still using their 1991 estimate. Time to revise that estimate for the Biden era.
"The Pew Research Center estimates there is close to one million undocumented people." |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:27:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jsteves: I do not understand how the same people that support a minimum wage also support employing illegals. The whole reason it is lucrative to employ illegals is because they can and will work for less than minimum wage. The one entirely stupid thing the voters of Florida voted for in 2020 was a $15 state minimum wage. It is being implemented incrementally but I think it's up to $14 now. The fact that it passed shows how many people thought it would benefit them. Those same people would benefit from a sudden lack of illegal labor as employers desperately try to fill jobs. I thought that was on the 2016 ballot and it was supposed to reach 15 either this year or next year. We really need to fix the low threshold it requires to pass things on the ballot. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: We don’t need illegals, as there are no “ jobs Americans won’t do”. Americans have never WANTED to work shitty jobs, neither has ANYONE in the history of the planet. They worked shitty jobs because if they didn’t, they would starve to death. U.S. government pays tens of millions of able bodied people to sit on their ass, gives them food, housing, etc. or gives them just enough money they only work gig jobs occasionally , , or mom n dad provide for their adult kids, as “ they are too good for manual labor jobs “. the same people who are at the bottom, intelligence / skills / ability / mentally / experience wise who are the types who would be working shitty jobs. Cut off welfare / cut welfare 80%, limiting it to only severely handicapped individuals, or those with extremely serious conditions, cut off 90% of the various gov monies being doled out and BOOM, people suddenly want a job, and will work any job to survive. It’s going to happen in a few years anyway, once government bankrupts itself ebt cards won’t get loaded, food stamp benefits won’t get paid, section 8 will dry up, and after 6 months of violence, protests, and brutality, they will get hungry enough to go pick crops, roof houses, did ditches, in many cases first member of their family in generations to work a actual job. They will just print more money. |
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DE, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:43:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jsteves: I do not understand how the same people that support a minimum wage also support employing illegals. The whole reason it is lucrative to employ illegals is because they can and will work for less than minimum wage. The one entirely stupid thing the voters of Florida voted for in 2020 was a $15 state minimum wage. It is being implemented incrementally but I think it's up to $14 now. For politicians I get it. Plain pandering. But for the true believers I’m dumbfounded. They want safety laws, wage laws working condition laws and a way to circumvent them. Everything they are for they are against. Let criminals go and women should feel safe walking the street. LGBTQ… should be embraced and we celebrate people who hate them |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:48:41 PM EDT
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We bring in our workforce on h2a visas. We have to pay $19.25 an hour minimum. We also have to pay our 75% of the contract no matter what and hire any local workers that want to be on the contract as well. Local minimum wage is something like $13 an hour. How many local workers do you think get on the contract? 0 how many white people look for work picking fruit? 0
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DE, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:49:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StaccatoC2: The numbers are out of date, but years ago I read an article about the cost of picking lettuce. It tried to say with out illegals the cost of lettuce would sky rocket. Then it broke it down and anyone who read between the lines knew it was bullshit. The average worker picking lettuce would pick 120-150 heads of lettuce an hour. The article said they paid by the head, which was 3 cents each at the time lettuce was an average of 89 cents in the store. At the time min wage was like 6.50 an hour. So the workers made 3.6 an hour, so even paying them min wage would add 3 cents to a head of lettuce, big fucking deal. Of course the article never mentioned that the cost would go up 3 cents, or even did the math, just said the cost would skyrocket. Scare head lines, that most would never read past the first paragraph or even think about the actual numbers. I have read similar about strawberrys, it would drive the cost up like 10-15 cents a package. Makes sense. Also, the idea that americans are lazy is not supported by facts. Americans typically are very productive. Not a perfect number but .. I was indifferent about illegal immigrants until I moved to az. The hatred people had for Americans was unreal. The lack of respect for laws (poaching, insurance, drinking and driving, age of consent, tax evasion) made me think we had been invaded. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:50:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaime1982: Hire legal temporary workers would be ok. How many Americans will do that job? Nobody in this thread. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bondryan: We bring in our workforce on h2a visas. We have to pay $19.25 an hour minimum. We also have to pay our 75% of the contract no matter what and hire any local workers that want to be on the contract as well. Local minimum wage is something like $13 an hour. How many local workers do you think get on the contract? 0 how many white people look for work picking fruit? 0 Why can’t you offer the local workers $19.25? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:52:23 PM EDT
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 Those pickers are averaging over $20 an hour. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:54:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: Oh I don’t know maybe companies will just have to pay actual Americans a living wage rather hiring illegals which ends up suppressing wages for Americans If your business model requires the use of illegal immigrant labor you deserve to go out of business. Pushing cheap illegal labor out of the labor market is how you raise wages for Americans. And we will pay more for the substantial increase in prices that get passed on to consumers....  And your use of the term "living wage" kinda mirrors the same phrase the fast food workers are using. Americans are already getting strangled with inflation, the cost of fuel, food, and other costs......apparently you believe we should be paying more. How progressive of the OP. . |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IdahoPCCinc: And we will pay more for the substantial increase in prices that get passed on to consumers.... And your use of the term "living wage" kinda mirrors the same phrase the fast food workers are using. Americans are already getting strangled with inflation, the cost of fuel, food, and other costs......apparently you believe we should be paying more. How progressive of the OP. . Making your state inhospitable for illegals and those who hire them so more jobs are available to actually Americans makes me progressive.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:58:49 PM EDT
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They have a program where Mexicans can come to the US and work.
It has been in place for a very long time. The problem is that they jump the fence If they came in the right way they could have access to work, money and work for the rest of their lives while living in Mexico in the off seasons like a fucking king |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:00:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: Why can’t you offer the local workers $19.25? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: Originally Posted By bondryan: We bring in our workforce on h2a visas. We have to pay $19.25 an hour minimum. We also have to pay our 75% of the contract no matter what and hire any local workers that want to be on the contract as well. Local minimum wage is something like $13 an hour. How many local workers do you think get on the contract? 0 how many white people look for work picking fruit? 0 Why can’t you offer the local workers $19.25? We do, we are forced to because we use the visa system. We also provide housing, utilities, pay overtime, and offer health care. When we bring people in on visas we have to pay for the visa, transportation to and from their home, feed them on their trip as well as until they get their first paycheck, supply sheets towels cooking utensils, transportation to and from the store bank and entertainment. It costs us a shit ton of money per employee to use the visa system. Until they overhaul the visa system and make it affordable illegal immigration will never end. E verify is a thing but no one is forced to use it, instead you are given documents and you must hire someone before you can find out they are illegal. It takes the government years to inform you without e verify if your employee is illegal. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevelish: Nobody in this thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevelish: Originally Posted By jaime1982: Hire legal temporary workers would be ok. How many Americans will do that job? Nobody in this thread. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:03:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: molonlabebronco]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jsteves: I do not understand how the same people that support a minimum wage also support employing illegals. The whole reason it is lucrative to employ illegals is because they can and will work for less than minimum wage. The one entirely stupid thing the voters of Florida voted for in 2020 was a $15 state minimum wage. It is being implemented incrementally but I think it's up to $14 now. I don't know where any of these illegals that will work for less than minimum wages are. Around here the base pay for farm workers is $15/hr and you provide housing. Then its hard to keep them because they are leaving for construction jobs that pay $25+ hr. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bondryan: We do, we are forced to because we use the visa system. We also provide housing, utilities, pay overtime, and offer health care. When we bring people in on visas we have to pay for the visa, transportation to and from their home, feed them on their trip as well as until they get their first paycheck, supply sheets towels cooking utensils, transportation to and from the store bank and entertainment. It costs us a shit ton of money per employee to use the visa system. Until they overhaul the visa system and make it affordable illegal immigration will never end. E verify is a thing but no one is forced to use it, instead you are given documents and you must hire someone before you can find out they are illegal. It takes the government years to inform you without e verify if your employee is illegal. Do you hire illegals? Seems like you’re making excuses for people hiring illegals. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:05:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Those pickers are averaging over $20 an hour.Our harvest crews will average closer to $30 same with pruners working piece rate. We pay $3.65 a bucket for cherries and routinely have pickers that average 80-100 buckets in a 6 -7 hour workday. We pay $30-$32 per bin of pears and 8 bins in an 8 hour day is common. 6-7 is average with amazing guys getting 10-12. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:07:41 PM EDT
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There is a reason they call him Dirty Sanchez.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:09:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: Do you hire illegals? Seems like you’re making excuses for people hiring illegals. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: Originally Posted By bondryan: We do, we are forced to because we use the visa system. We also provide housing, utilities, pay overtime, and offer health care. When we bring people in on visas we have to pay for the visa, transportation to and from their home, feed them on their trip as well as until they get their first paycheck, supply sheets towels cooking utensils, transportation to and from the store bank and entertainment. It costs us a shit ton of money per employee to use the visa system. Until they overhaul the visa system and make it affordable illegal immigration will never end. E verify is a thing but no one is forced to use it, instead you are given documents and you must hire someone before you can find out they are illegal. It takes the government years to inform you without e verify if your employee is illegal. Do you hire illegals? Seems like you’re making excuses for people hiring illegals. Why would I go through all of the hoops to use the h2a visa system in order to then hire illegals? I get why people would hire illegals because to do it right is a costly pain in the ass. The myth that farmers pay shit money and offer no benefits is bullshit however. In Oregon the state forces us to provide paid sick leave, offer retirement, offer health care, fmla, pay overtime, minimum wage will hit $15 it’s just staggered. We have a huge undermployment and homeless problem in our state yet you never see one white person picking fruit. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: Making your state inhospitable for illegals and those who hire them so more jobs are available to actually Americans makes me progressive. So what is your answer to the doubling of prices for consumers ??? You don't have one. But you do like posturing from a soapbox. Virtue signalling doesn't solve problems for the people that can barely afford to eat or put gas in a car as it is. . |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:16:13 PM EDT
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I stopped by my grocery store last year and there was a guy collecting signatures for a petition to raise minimum wage in MI. I told him I wouldn’t sign it and the private sector has raised the minimum wage on its own. You are a fool if you can’t find a job for more than minimum wage here.
He said he was just there to collect signatures and the more he got the more he got paid. I want to start a petition to ban Democrats from paying people to collect signatures. He had five or six different petitions going and all of them were being pushed by the Democrats. Fuck Demorats. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:16:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Ag isn’t even the largest user of illegal immigrants by a mile. The construction, hotel/hospitality, and food services industries use way more illegal labor then ag does but ag always gets shit on.
No one ever screams to see Maria’s papers before she cleans your room at the Howard Johnson’s or asks fly by night construction to see their paperwork on the roofing crew slapping shingles on your house. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:18:09 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bondryan: Our harvest crews will average closer to $30 same with pruners working piece rate. We pay $3.65 a bucket for cherries and routinely have pickers that average 80-100 buckets in a 6 -7 hour workday. We pay $30-$32 per bin of pears and 8 bins in an 8 hour day is common. 6-7 is average with amazing guys getting 10-12. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bondryan: Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Those pickers are averaging over $20 an hour.Our harvest crews will average closer to $30 same with pruners working piece rate. We pay $3.65 a bucket for cherries and routinely have pickers that average 80-100 buckets in a 6 -7 hour workday. We pay $30-$32 per bin of pears and 8 bins in an 8 hour day is common. 6-7 is average with amazing guys getting 10-12. Folks are still holding on to shit from 40 years ago. Illegals are not making sub wages. When the immigration law passed in AL a decade or more back. They tired hiring white and black folks. They wouldn't pick tomatoes for $20 an hour. And that was a decade ago. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:19:31 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bondryan: Ag isn’t even the largest user of illegal immigrants by a mile. The construction, hotel/hospitality, and food services industries use way more illegal labor then ag does but ag always gets shit on. No one ever screams to see Maria’s papers before she cleans your room at the Howard Johnson’s or asks fly by night construction to see their paperwork on the roofing crew slapping shingles on your house. I turned my employer in when I discovered they were knowingly hiring illegals. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:20:34 PM EDT
[#45]
Go broke, then. I don’t give a damn.
Business and government are two sides of the same corrupted coin. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:20:42 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bondryan: Why would I go through all of the hoops to use the h2a visa system in order to then hire illegals? I get why people would hire illegals because to do it right is a costly pain in the ass. The myth that farmers pay shit money and offer no benefits is bullshit however. In Oregon the state forces us to provide paid sick leave, offer retirement, offer health care, fmla, pay overtime, minimum wage will hit $15 it’s just staggered. We have a huge undermployment and homeless problem in our state yet you never see one white person picking fruit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bondryan: Originally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: Originally Posted By bondryan: We do, we are forced to because we use the visa system. We also provide housing, utilities, pay overtime, and offer health care. When we bring people in on visas we have to pay for the visa, transportation to and from their home, feed them on their trip as well as until they get their first paycheck, supply sheets towels cooking utensils, transportation to and from the store bank and entertainment. It costs us a shit ton of money per employee to use the visa system. Until they overhaul the visa system and make it affordable illegal immigration will never end. E verify is a thing but no one is forced to use it, instead you are given documents and you must hire someone before you can find out they are illegal. It takes the government years to inform you without e verify if your employee is illegal. Do you hire illegals? Seems like you’re making excuses for people hiring illegals. Why would I go through all of the hoops to use the h2a visa system in order to then hire illegals? I get why people would hire illegals because to do it right is a costly pain in the ass. The myth that farmers pay shit money and offer no benefits is bullshit however. In Oregon the state forces us to provide paid sick leave, offer retirement, offer health care, fmla, pay overtime, minimum wage will hit $15 it’s just staggered. We have a huge undermployment and homeless problem in our state yet you never see one white person picking fruit. Wage and Hour audits the farms that use H2A and illegals. Rate of pay must equal at least minimum wage regardless of immigration status. The fallacy of below minimums is a myth. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:30:19 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockZen: I agree hire American labor, just be prepared to pay $10.00 for a Quart of Orange Juice. Cantillon Effect, baby Myth! Reality is, here in AZ, 98% of construction workers are mexican. Yet housing is the most expensive it's ever been. Many years ago, when I started in the housing industry, all the construction tradesmen were white Americans. Drywallers, framers, concrete finishers, everybody. Even the guy that drove the Porta-Potti truck. And houses were affordable. I worked on a tract of homes in Paradise Valley, an upscale part of town. Some of the tradesmen bought those homes. They were affordable to the average guy, and built entirely by Americans. It's a myth that American labor is inflationary. Reality is, millions of illegal consumers are altering the normal free-market, supply/demand dynamic. That is the cause of inflation! |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:31:17 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IdahoPCCinc: So what is your answer to the doubling of prices for consumers ??? You don't have one. But you do like posturing from a soapbox. Virtue signalling doesn't solve problems for the people that can barely afford to eat or put gas in a car as it is. . Yesterday I was wearing $500 USA made work boots and $250 pair of USA made jeans. People need to learn to pay for quality. Let’s pretend orange juice doubles in your scenario. One of two things happen. 1. People pay for $9 cartons of orange juice and move on with life. Or People stop buying Orange juice and the business owner/management says nobody is buying our product since we raised prices. How are we going to fix this because we can’t pay the workers less because they’ll quit. Their options are: A. Find a way to make the business more efficient so they can lower prices while maintaining profits and employee pay. Or. B. They can lower their profit margin and just make less. The other option is they just go out of business and another company with a better business model steps in and fills the void in the market. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:34:31 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan-in-Paulden: Myth! Reality is, here in AZ, 98% of construction workers are mexican. Yet housing is the most expensive it's ever been. Many years ago, when I started in the housing industry, all the construction tradesmen were white Americans. Drywallers, framers, concrete finishers, everybody. Even the guy that drove the Porta-Potti truck. And houses were affordable. I worked on a tract of homes in Paradise Valley, an upscale part of town. Some of the tradesmen bought those homes. They were affordable to the average guy, and built entirely by Americans. It's a myth that American labor is inflationary. Reality is, millions of illegal consumers are altering the normal free-market, supply/demand dynamic. That is the cause of inflation! Pssshh get out of here with all that. GD wants to make America great again but loves their cheap illegal labor and cheap Chinese made products. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 2:37:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: Yesterday I was wearing $500 USA made work boots and $250 pair of USA made jeans. People need to learn to pay for quality. Let’s pretend orange juice doubles in your scenario. One of two things happen. 1. People pay for $9 cartons of orange juice and move on with life. Or People stop buying Orange juice and the business owner/management says nobody is buying our product since we raised prices. How are we going to fix this because we can’t pay the workers less because they’ll quit. Their options are: A. Find a way to make the business more efficient so they can lower prices while maintaining profits and employee pay. Or. B. They can lower their profit margin and just make less. The other option is they just go out of business and another company with a better business model steps in and fills the void in the market.  Oran "Juice" Jones - The Rain |
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