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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:47:20 AM EDT
[#1]
Joe Montana.. and I'm a Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw fan
Peyton is definitely up there |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:54:19 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Joe Montana. The fucking man. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:56:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No debate that he wasnt. To litterly plug another guy in, even as good as the replacement is, does indicate that there was a solid supporting cast present And manning has recovered from massive surgeries and taken the broncos to super bowl in 2 years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Steve Young was a great quarterback, not like he was some shrub they threw in there!  No debate that he wasnt. To litterly plug another guy in, even as good as the replacement is, does indicate that there was a solid supporting cast present And manning has recovered from massive surgeries and taken the broncos to super bowl in 2 years. The best ever? Bart Starr Joe Montana Terry Bradshaw Roger Staubach Peyton Manning Johnny Unitas Troy Aikman John Elway Tom Brady Dan Marino Otto Graham |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:16:38 AM EDT
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I think Marino was the most gifted.
Hard to say who's best, all thinks not being equal, i.e different offenses, team strengths / weaknesses, coaches. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:29:40 AM EDT
[#5]
Y A Tittle
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:22:16 AM EDT
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I think you are forgetting that when Favre's team won that single Superbowl, he also had a dominant defense, led by the great Reggie White. Combining that with a great punter and a great return guy, they almost always had a short field to work with. He didn't carry the whole team. Edit: and Vonnie Holiday wasn't nearly as much of a wasted pick as Tony Mandarich, who they chose over Barry friggin Sanders. Can you imagine those 90s Packers with Barry carrying the ball? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Staubach #1 Favre #2 No one else is close, the guy never had anyone elite around him aside from Sterling Sharpe for a short time, he simply elevated everyone around him, he was asked to carry what was always a mediocre team, the Packers would have never been winners without him, take away Rodgers you still have a competitive team, he's not elite. The back up Flynn that wasn't good enough to make a NFL ROSTER on any other team puts up bigger numbers than him. Flynn had a few good games, but he does not consistently put up better than Rodgers.
Rodgers has the highest passer rating of all-time, and Peyton is a distant second. Do you honestly think that the guy who holds the record for most interceptions is the 2nd best QB ever? He would make my list of top 20, but not top ten (actually top 9, since I left a spot for "other").
When did Favre ever have a winning team around him and you have your answer what he was able to do with such scrubs was nothing short of amazing, he begged them to draft him weapons, if they would have listened to him and drafted Randy Moss and not wasted a pick on Vinnie Holiday, we'd of seen another dynasty. I think you are forgetting that when Favre's team won that single Superbowl, he also had a dominant defense, led by the great Reggie White. Combining that with a great punter and a great return guy, they almost always had a short field to work with. He didn't carry the whole team. Edit: and Vonnie Holiday wasn't nearly as much of a wasted pick as Tony Mandarich, who they chose over Barry friggin Sanders. Can you imagine those 90s Packers with Barry carrying the ball? My favorite player as a kid Favre, Reggie, Barry, same team. how many superbowls? (Assuming the broncos on that run with Davis/Elway never win any of theirs  )
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:24:24 AM EDT
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Joe Montana exactly Joe Montana won big games like the super bowl when it was up to good decision making and skill. there are many other QBs that can do this but Joe is the best. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fourth quarter....less than two minutes left...losing by 6....who do you want at QB? exactly Joe Montana won big games like the super bowl when it was up to good decision making and skill. there are many other QBs that can do this but Joe is the best. Madden's Favorite Brett!
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Tony Romo He isn't the best in that franchise's history, isn't the best in the league right now. He doesn't belong in the conversation |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:27:25 AM EDT
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Fourth quarter....less than two minutes left...losing by 6....who do you want at QB? Joe Montana Matt Ryan |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:30:41 AM EDT
[#9]
Romo
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:15:09 AM EDT
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Romo Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This man speaks the truth. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:09:26 AM EDT
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Kurt Warner. Only QB to take two different teams to the Superbowl. Rams were 4-12 the year before he became the starter, 14-2 and Superbowl champs the next season with him. The Cardinals were mediocre without him, and would have been Superbowl champs had their defense been able to hold that last drive, after he brought the Cardinals back in the 4th quarter. The fastest release I've ever seen combined with the best ability to hit receivers perfectly in stride. Oops. Forgot that Manning has now done it as well and Craig Morton did it first. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:29:31 AM EDT
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Haven't read the thread - the poll not having Roger Staubach means the poll fucking failed.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:34:12 AM EDT
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Warren Moon  This is one of the best logical answers of this thread current #8 of Pass TDs yet has a little more than half the seasons played as of Manning. And on top of that this was done on the back half of his career. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:37:47 AM EDT
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The poll should be broken out between those quarterbacks who actually called their own plays and the ones who are told what to do via speakers in their helmets. Modern day QB's have it way easier imho.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:41:13 AM EDT
[#15]
Fuck the NFL Y'all already forgot, didn't you? LMAO! Of course you did!  
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:44:14 AM EDT
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Poll fail. Doesn't include Peyton's boss. This. No shit. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:44:23 AM EDT
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Montana. /thread This. It is not just stats, it is wins and more importantly, playoff and Super Bowl wins. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:45:56 AM EDT
[#18]
NO AIKMAN OR STAUBACH???????
You suck, OP. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:45:58 AM EDT
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1940's - Baugh or Baugh
1950's - Graham or Layne 1960's - Unitas or Unitas 1970's - Staubach or Bradshaw 1980's - Montana or Montana 1990's - Favre? 2000's - Manning |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:51:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to compare quarterbacks from different eras since the game now is much different than it was in the 70's and whatnot. If you twisted my arm, I would probably go Joe Montana. Manny is good. However, being a Redskins fan, no matter how much it pains me to say so, Roger Staubuch was the best field general I have ever seen play football. Dan Marino comes in there as well. Never had the support that other teams had, but as far as making a quick decision, reading defenses, and getting to ball to the receiver, he was in the top few. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:54:07 AM EDT
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This. It is not just stats, it is wins and more importantly, playoff and Super Bowl wins. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Montana. /thread This. It is not just stats, it is wins and more importantly, playoff and Super Bowl wins. You'd think this would be an easy concept to grasp but many here don't. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 9:00:30 AM EDT
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Quintin Barnes from the ionath Krakens.
Nevermind you said NFL not GFL. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 9:55:50 AM EDT
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Without a doubt, Peyton Manning. Most touchdowns in a season. Most touchdowns in a career. 2013 Broncos scored more points than any team in NFL history. No contest. and how well did that work in his most recent Superbowl The fact is Manning shouldn't be in anybody's list as greatest (let alone in the top 5 of greatest). When you had the advantages he has had in his career why shouldn't you do great on the stat sheet. Never had to compete for Starting roll (Drafted round 1 pick 1) Never had to compete for a higher salary except once, always got help from the office. If any of the listed quarterback (and the great ones that didn't) had all these advantages Manning would be nothing more than his dad. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:04:00 AM EDT
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If I could pick a QB for any of these scenarios
If I wanted to win any typical game. Peyton Manning. If I wanted to win the SuperBowl. Montana If I needed a TD with 2:00 minutes left, Coin flip between Favre and Elway If I needed a first down. Steve Young If I had one play to make a TD. Marino YMMV |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:05:43 AM EDT
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If I had to take a QB to handle a busted play, it would be Romo. No doubt.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:09:27 AM EDT
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"Joe Montana was a product of the system. Dan Marino was the system" -Bill Walsh.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:18:18 AM EDT
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and how well did that work in his most recent Superbowl The fact is Manning shouldn't be in anybody's list as greatest (let alone in the top 5 of greatest). When you had the advantages he has had in his career why shouldn't you do great on the stat sheet. Never had to compete for Starting roll (Drafted round 1 pick 1) Never had to compete for a higher salary except once, always got help from the office. If any of the listed quarterback (and the great ones that didn't) had all these advantages Manning would be nothing more than his dad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without a doubt, Peyton Manning. Most touchdowns in a season. Most touchdowns in a career. 2013 Broncos scored more points than any team in NFL history. No contest. and how well did that work in his most recent Superbowl The fact is Manning shouldn't be in anybody's list as greatest (let alone in the top 5 of greatest). When you had the advantages he has had in his career why shouldn't you do great on the stat sheet. Never had to compete for Starting roll (Drafted round 1 pick 1) Never had to compete for a higher salary except once, always got help from the office. If any of the listed quarterback (and the great ones that didn't) had all these advantages Manning would be nothing more than his dad. I disagree with you. I watched a film breakdown of the toss/catch of 509. Every receiver was doubled. He threw a perfect pass to the one defender who made a mistake and made it look like an easy toss/catch, but in reality it was a well practiced play. Whether Manning anticipated it or read it and reacted to it, only he will know. It was clear the mistake the corner made when pointed out. He looked like he had him covered, but it was a read by Manning and a perfect delivery. The corner on the other side played it perfectly. Manning threw it to the open player. That doesn't happen by accident. He is WAY better than you think. Way better. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:23:49 AM EDT
[#28]
Johnny U.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:24:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Voted Montana, but he was throwing to the best receiver ever and had the best supporting cast in history. Who were the superstars on '49'ers team for Superbowl 16? |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:27:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Joe Montanas o line and Jerry Rice? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fourth quarter....less than two minutes left...losing by 6....who do you want at QB? Joe Montana Joe Montanas o line and Jerry Rice? Where was Jerry Rice for Superbowl 16?  |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:28:31 AM EDT
[#31]
Joe Nameth
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:28:37 AM EDT
[#32]
I'd go with Steve Young, though in any particular season, I'd say there are quarterbacks that could match him. It's only his consistency that really puts him over the top.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:31:12 AM EDT
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Who were the superstars on '49'ers team for Superbowl 16? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Voted Montana, but he was throwing to the best receiver ever and had the best supporting cast in history. Who were the superstars on '49'ers team for Superbowl 16? Ray Wersching
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:35:06 AM EDT
[#34]
Terry Bradshaw
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:55:17 AM EDT
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I disagree with you. I watched a film breakdown of the toss/catch of 509. Every receiver was doubled. He threw a perfect pass to the one defender who made a mistake and made it look like an easy toss/catch, but in reality it was a well practiced play. Whether Manning anticipated it or read it and reacted to it, only he will know. It was clear the mistake the corner made when pointed out. He looked like he had him covered, but it was a read by Manning and a perfect delivery. The corner on the other side played it perfectly. Manning threw it to the open player. That doesn't happen by accident. He is WAY better than you think. Way better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Without a doubt, Peyton Manning. Most touchdowns in a season. Most touchdowns in a career. 2013 Broncos scored more points than any team in NFL history. No contest. and how well did that work in his most recent Superbowl The fact is Manning shouldn't be in anybody's list as greatest (let alone in the top 5 of greatest). When you had the advantages he has had in his career why shouldn't you do great on the stat sheet. Never had to compete for Starting roll (Drafted round 1 pick 1) Never had to compete for a higher salary except once, always got help from the office. If any of the listed quarterback (and the great ones that didn't) had all these advantages Manning would be nothing more than his dad. I disagree with you. I watched a film breakdown of the toss/catch of 509. Every receiver was doubled. He threw a perfect pass to the one defender who made a mistake and made it look like an easy toss/catch, but in reality it was a well practiced play. Whether Manning anticipated it or read it and reacted to it, only he will know. It was clear the mistake the corner made when pointed out. He looked like he had him covered, but it was a read by Manning and a perfect delivery. The corner on the other side played it perfectly. Manning threw it to the open player. That doesn't happen by accident. He is WAY better than you think. Way better. Im not doubting his skill but if your looking at greatest QB you need to look at full career not just one game. As I stated look at many of the great QBs like Brett Favre. If the home office (GB) did what they did for Manning (either team) Favre would've been much higher in stats Same could be said about Dan Marino or even Lynn Dickey (80s GB QB who had nothing and still managed to make it work) heck even Tony Romo. Point is Manning is one of the few QBs that has had all the advantages with no disadvantage except a back problem he is suppose to have a great career. It would be a much different story if he had no home office support. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:42:19 AM EDT
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When Joe Montana came out of college the book on him was
1) Too Small 2) Too slow. 3) Okay, but not great arm. I'm picking Roger Staubach becasue he is the richest of QB of all time. Worth something like $600,000,000. He was drafted out of college by the Dallas Cowboys even though he graduated from the USNA and they had to wait 4 years to get him. It also cost him four years of his prime playing time and he was still great for a long time. Peyton Manning seems to succumb to pressure. To me the perfect QB would be Peyton Manning with the grit of Eli. Eli seems to come trough better in high pressure situations. Toughest QB of all time IMHO is Y. A. Tittle. This photo says it all. Becasue of him I am a Giants fan to this day. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:53:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where was Jerry Rice for Superbowl 16? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fourth quarter....less than two minutes left...losing by 6....who do you want at QB? Joe Montana Joe Montanas o line and Jerry Rice? Where was Jerry Rice for Superbowl 16? People seem to forget that Rice was a receiver only in Montana's last two Super Bowls. Montana already had two rings before Jerry Rice ever played an NFL down. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:55:24 AM EDT
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How are terry Bradshaw and Troy aikman not on the poll.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:59:08 AM EDT
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It is really hard to compare QBs honestly. With different eras you have different advantages. Now the rules favor passers and receivers. However, back in the day there was no salary cap, meaning you could keep a better team together longer. Also, defensive players were smaller back then and the league was not so pass centric. A stud like Marino is going to stand out more when there fewer elite rivals. Go back far enough and roids were legal. Go back even farther and there are no black guys. How do you begin to factor in that? Also, what stat counts the most? QBR, TDs, Passing YRDs, Wins, Playoff Wins, Super Bowls Wins? You forgot hottest wife.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:59:57 AM EDT
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How are terry Bradshaw and Troy aikman not on the poll. Because most people are smart enough to realize that Super Bowl wins, while a great measure of a team, are pretty damn useless when looking at just an individual player. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:01:36 PM EDT
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How are terry Bradshaw and Troy aikman not on the poll. Agreed, the poll is terrible to begin with. Should look more like: Montana Brady Aikman Elway P. Manning Bradshaw Next 4-5 are fringe but not really worthy of GOAT talk |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:03:50 PM EDT
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Agreed, the poll is terrible to begin with. Should look more like: Montana Brady Aikman Elway P. Manning Bradshaw Next 4-5 are fringe but not really worthy of GOAT talk Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are terry Bradshaw and Troy aikman not on the poll. Agreed, the poll is terrible to begin with. Should look more like: Montana Brady Aikman Elway P. Manning Bradshaw Next 4-5 are fringe but not really worthy of GOAT talk No... it should be: Peyton Manning Joe Montana Dan Marino I only watch soccer |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:05:07 PM EDT
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How are terry Bradshaw and Troy aikman not on the poll. Because there was only room for 9 names plus "other". If there was room for 20, Bradshaw, Favre, and Aikman would have made the list, even though Troy is a whiny little bitch, and played behind one of the best ever O-lines, so we don't know how he could have played behind a shitty line, forced out of the pocket on every other play. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:09:20 PM EDT
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I voted pie, no such thing as THE greatest. So many different great QBs from different eras, teams, leagues, styles, etc. to name anyone as the best, though if I HAD to pick, it would be Montana.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:12:30 PM EDT
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Agreed, the poll is terrible to begin with. Should look more like: Montana Brady Aikman Elway P. Manning Bradshaw Next 4-5 are fringe but not really worthy of GOAT talk Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are terry Bradshaw and Troy aikman not on the poll. Agreed, the poll is terrible to begin with. Should look more like: Montana Brady Aikman Elway P. Manning Bradshaw Next 4-5 are fringe but not really worthy of GOAT talk You think Aikman and Bradshaw are better than Unitas, Favre, Marino? Even Bradshaw said that Favre was better than him. As said several times, you could never please everyone with 9 choices. That's why "other" is a choice. But those other choices are irrelevant, because Peyton and Joe are running away with it. I thought the results would be a bit more balanced than they are. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:13:31 PM EDT
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Joe Montana. The fucking man. Yep |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:16:05 PM EDT
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You think Aikman and Bradshaw are better than Unitas, Favre, Marino? Even Bradshaw said that Favre was better than him. As said several times, you could never please everyone with 9 choices. That's why "other" is a choice. But those other choices are irrelevant, because Peyton and Joe are running away with it. I thought the results would be a bit more balanced than they are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are terry Bradshaw and Troy aikman not on the poll. Agreed, the poll is terrible to begin with. Should look more like: Montana Brady Aikman Elway P. Manning Bradshaw Next 4-5 are fringe but not really worthy of GOAT talk You think Aikman and Bradshaw are better than Unitas, Favre, Marino? Even Bradshaw said that Favre was better than him. As said several times, you could never please everyone with 9 choices. That's why "other" is a choice. But those other choices are irrelevant, because Peyton and Joe are running away with it. I thought the results would be a bit more balanced than they are. And only because of the record manning just broke, you conduct the same poll last Feb 7th after he got curb stomped by Seattle and results would be way different |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:19:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And only because of the record manning just broke, you conduct the same poll last Feb 7th after he got curb stomped by Seattle and results would be way different Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How are terry Bradshaw and Troy aikman not on the poll. Agreed, the poll is terrible to begin with. Should look more like: Montana Brady Aikman Elway P. Manning Bradshaw Next 4-5 are fringe but not really worthy of GOAT talk You think Aikman and Bradshaw are better than Unitas, Favre, Marino? Even Bradshaw said that Favre was better than him. As said several times, you could never please everyone with 9 choices. That's why "other" is a choice. But those other choices are irrelevant, because Peyton and Joe are running away with it. I thought the results would be a bit more balanced than they are. And only because of the record manning just broke, you conduct the same poll last Feb 7th after he got curb stomped by Seattle and results would be way different |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:20:02 PM EDT
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The poll should be broken out between those quarterbacks who actually called their own plays and the ones who are told what to do via speakers in their helmets. Modern day QB's have it way easier imho. Spot on. A lot of the QBs mentioned here were playing completely different types of football. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:21:15 PM EDT
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Sammy Baugh - not just the greatest quarterback, but the best player, bar none.
And everything he did he did wearing a leather helmet and low-tech pads, in a game that wasn't one rule away from being played with flags. It's not really a debatable answer.
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