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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:28:02 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. FPNI It's funny how that whole FPNI thing works isn't it? Oh and just for the record, FPNI!! 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:32:29 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. To be more specific, nothing that a regular civilian can't acquire that didn't have to be on a registry before 1986. Basically, if I can buy it on a 4473, cops can have it too, otherwise, they should not. Just because I might be able to legally buy a registered M-16 for $30K, doesn't mean LE should get to buy one for $1000. (or whatever real mfg cost is) |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:34:31 AM EDT
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A winning smile and a can-do attitude!!
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:36:27 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. FPNI This. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:36:38 AM EDT
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Oh and the kicker for NFA weapons would be if the sheriff doesn't sign off on NFA weapons for civilians he isn't able to get ones for his people. My Sheriff got rid of our FA M14s and MP5s. FA is rarely, if ever, needed in LE as well as the increased ammo/training cost and liability issues. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:38:34 AM EDT
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Nothing at all. Why help the enemy? The AVERAGE working cop is not the enemy. The enemy is generally further up the chain of command. (Yes there are a few exceptions) 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:39:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AVERAGE working cop is not the enemy. The enemy is generally further up the chain of command. (Yes there are a few exceptions) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nothing at all. Why help the enemy? The AVERAGE working cop is not the enemy. The enemy is generally further up the chain of command. (Yes there are a few exceptions) |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:39:24 AM EDT
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Whatever is legal for the average citizen. Should have put this as an option. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:43:12 AM EDT
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I'm more concerned about cost than what class of weapons they use. Milsurp guns are fine, if not more desirable, due to cost. Pretty much anything that's not going to make my taxes go sky high. The only real reservation I have is making sure they get enough range time and ammo to be effective with their weapons. I've seen too many pictures of LE carrying the latest and greatest with optics or mags mounted backwards.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:44:15 AM EDT
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What ever is legal in the state they are in for the serfs . If your state has a 5 round magazine limit then you get 5 rounds
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:44:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't take the bait. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nothing at all. Why help the enemy? The AVERAGE working cop is not the enemy. The enemy is generally further up the chain of command. (Yes there are a few exceptions) You think Cops are out there to protect and serve? More like violate your natural rights and collect a pension. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:47:09 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. FPNI, this |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:47:39 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. FPNI |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:47:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Sheriff got rid of our FA M14s and MP5s. FA is rarely, if ever, needed in LE as well as the increased ammo/training cost and liability issues. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh and the kicker for NFA weapons would be if the sheriff doesn't sign off on NFA weapons for civilians he isn't able to get ones for his people. My Sheriff got rid of our FA M14s and MP5s. FA is rarely, if ever, needed in LE as well as the increased ammo/training cost and liability issues. SBRs
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:48:10 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. FPNI First Three Posts Nail It! I would have voted machine guns, but not until I can easily own one too. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:50:09 AM EDT
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Whatever citizens can own.
If a cop wants to carry his RDIAS on patrol, then full auto is fine. Otherwise, no dept issued M4s etc. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:50:36 AM EDT
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I think most police officers would be adequately armed with a 38 revolver in their holster and a pump 12 gauge in the car.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:50:49 AM EDT
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You think Cops are out there to protect and serve? More like violate your natural rights and collect a pension. Nah, just collect the pension. I would have had zero contact with the public if I could have arranged it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:51:25 AM EDT
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I think most police officers would be adequately armed with a 38 revolver in their holster and a pump 12 gauge in the car. More than I had. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:51:45 AM EDT
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Whatever they need, but I should be able to own whatever they do.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:53:00 AM EDT
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I want to say gladius, but mostly this: Also police shouldn't be permitted to wear masks except for when needed for physical safety. i.e., riot gear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. Also police shouldn't be permitted to wear masks except for when needed for physical safety. i.e., riot gear. Yep. Unless you're undercover, masks only serve to muddle liability/personal accountability if there's a screwup. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:53:15 AM EDT
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Whistles and sticks. They should also pay for their fuel they so unashamedly waste.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:06:20 AM EDT
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Oh and the kicker for NFA weapons would be if the sheriff doesn't sign off on NFA weapons for civilians he isn't able to get ones for his people. My Sheriff got rid of our FA M14s and MP5s. FA is rarely, if ever, needed in LE as well as the increased ammo/training cost and liability issues. SBRs We have SBRs for our SWAT team, but semi-auto. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:07:21 AM EDT
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Yep. Unless you're undercover, masks only serve to muddle liability/personal accountability if there's a screwup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to say gladius, but mostly this: Quoted:
Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. Also police shouldn't be permitted to wear masks except for when needed for physical safety. i.e., riot gear. Yep. Unless you're undercover, masks only serve to muddle liability/personal accountability if there's a screwup. Undercover wear masks? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:07:49 AM EDT
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A pen and a pad of paper so they can hand out stern letters.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:10:34 AM EDT
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Based on this thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1649642_Why_British_Police_do_not_carry_firearms.html Sling shots and BB guns 
jk jk I think they should be allowed anything a citizen is allowed to have. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:11:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. +1 Because their civilians |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:12:29 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. Also police shouldn't be permitted to wear masks except for when needed for physical safety. i.e., riot gear. Yep. Unless you're undercover, masks only serve to muddle liability/personal accountability if there's a screwup. Undercover wear masks? Yes, if they partake in obvious police action. Say an undercover guy has been hanging out with a gang, and he later goes in on the raid of the gang's hangout. He'll wear a mask. I don't think they should be allowed to wear masks though. Just don't put them in the raiding party. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:12:40 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:12:48 AM EDT
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I want to say gladius, but mostly this: Quoted:
Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. Also police shouldn't be permitted to wear masks except for when needed for physical safety. i.e., riot gear. Yep. Unless you're undercover, masks only serve to muddle liability/personal accountability if there's a screwup. Undercover wear masks? I think he's talking about normally undercover cops participating in a bust that wear masks so as not to reveal their identities to the people they're arresting. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:15:47 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:17:11 AM EDT
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Rifles, shotguns, pistols. Maybe something a little heavier for barricaded suspects, but no select fire weps. Actually, I don't even really care about the weps so much as the mindset. I don't think cammies, Level IV body armor, armored helmets are necessary and go a LOT towards creating a sense of militarization. Oh yeah, no surplus military vehicles like MRAPs or MAT-Vs, just police-specific armored vehicles. Level IV armor is nice when the guy might have 30-06 AP from the gun show in his Garand. NO issue with protective equipment. MRAPs? No issue.... your solution is to spend MOAR tax dollars buying NEW armored vehicles instead of simply re-tasking what are effectively FREE vehicles? YOU wanna pay the extra taxes? No problem with utility uniforms of whatever shade or pattern. Easier to move in. Helmets are good for preventing HEAD INJURIES. Thrown bottles, sticks, baseball bats, even the occasional bullet. Militarization can BENEFIT agencies when facing barricaded suspects. Why? Think about it... are you more likely to surrender your AR and Glock-toting self to guys who are well-equipped and working as a unit, or a bunch of guys with shotguns and six-shooters? Too many sociopaths here -everyone is NOT like you. Lots of REAL criminals around, and they have the same opportunities to gear up as YOU do. I see LOTS of thugs buying anything that looks "tactical" at the gun shows. I see lots of that "tactical" gear on the street, too. Do I believe in restricting the right to own that stuff? Only for convicted felons (they've proven they can't play well with others). Other than that, my only concern is being able to 1+1 what I'm up against. Otherwise, don't expect me to even TRY to effect an arrest or go through the door. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:19:55 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:20:26 AM EDT
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Same thing we are.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:21:18 AM EDT
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Whatever the fuck they want. No restrictions whatsoever.
They're the ones who need to balance public perception, service to the community, image, etc. and they'll decide what image they want to portray. If they look like a bunch of shitdicks that just want to play with machineguns and screw people's lives up, then the proper course of action would be for the people to fire their asses and take the toys away. That's the way it's supposed to work, anyhow. All this bitching about corrupt police, or militarized police, or whatever... it's 100% a leadership and organizational cultural issue. And ALL of that gets controlled purely by elections. If the people don't care, and they keep voting for shitty leaders, then corrupt and irresponsible police is what you get. There should be no safeguards to protect voters from the consequences of their own bad decisions. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:21:18 AM EDT
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Yes, if they partake in obvious police action. Say an undercover guy has been hanging out with a gang, and he later goes in on the raid of the gang's hangout. He'll wear a mask. I don't think they should be allowed to wear masks though. Just don't put them in the raiding party. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. Also police shouldn't be permitted to wear masks except for when needed for physical safety. i.e., riot gear. Yep. Unless you're undercover, masks only serve to muddle liability/personal accountability if there's a screwup. Undercover wear masks? Yes, if they partake in obvious police action. Say an undercover guy has been hanging out with a gang, and he later goes in on the raid of the gang's hangout. He'll wear a mask. I don't think they should be allowed to wear masks though. Just don't put them in the raiding party. Very few LE are "undercover". Most are plainclothes. SWAT wear nomex balaclavas (mine does) for protection from fire and glass. Port/cover teams face flashbangs and glass hazards at close range. Yes, there is an intimidation and deterrent factor in covering teams faces, that's the point. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:21:55 AM EDT
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Equipment isn't the problem with LE malfeasance any more than the 2nd Amendment is the cause for violent crime in the US. The "problems" stem from the employment of this stuff, not the stuff itself. The only potential trouble I see with all the "military-type" equipment is that might work to attract the sort of people to the LE field that just want to kick in doors and play with cool toys.... and I don't think that's the type of people that need to be doing the job. Well said. I'll second that. Pay enough to attract the good-quality guys with an interest in the community -you know, family, kids in school, able to afford a house, same kind of guy that businesses try to hire into management. Smart, educated.... oh, wait, we don't want to pay that much. We'll hire the power-tripping thug, then complain about quality of service while the good cops who can barely make it on their checks tell us EXACTLY what's wrong. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:22:44 AM EDT
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Semi autos and handguns.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:35:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'll second that. Pay enough to attract the good-quality guys with an interest in the community -you know, family, kids in school, able to afford a house, same kind of guy that businesses try to hire into management. Smart, educated.... oh, wait, we don't want to pay that much. We'll hire the power-tripping thug, then complain about quality of service while the good cops who can barely make it on their checks tell us EXACTLY what's wrong. +1 |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:38:18 AM EDT
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Nah, just collect the pension. I would have had zero contact with the public if I could have arranged it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You think Cops are out there to protect and serve? More like violate your natural rights and collect a pension. Nah, just collect the pension. I would have had zero contact with the public if I could have arranged it. Oh, if only. Having to deal with the public is what ruined that job.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:38:45 AM EDT
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Like the Bobbies in London.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:39:08 AM EDT
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A Police Positive with one 158 gr. LRN in the cargo pocket of his BDU pants.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:41:04 AM EDT
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I'll second that. Pay enough to attract the good-quality guys with an interest in the community -you know, family, kids in school, able to afford a house, same kind of guy that businesses try to hire into management. Smart, educated.... oh, wait, we don't want to pay that much. We'll hire the power-tripping thug, then complain about quality of service while the good cops who can barely make it on their checks tell us EXACTLY what's wrong. +1 This. I always love the people who complain about their local cops who they pay $11/hour. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:47:32 AM EDT
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They should be equipped with whatever is legal for the rest of the citizens in their jurisdiction to own. And personally responsible for every round fired.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:53:43 AM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. Also police shouldn't be permitted to wear masks except for when needed for physical safety. i.e., riot gear. Yep. Unless you're undercover, masks only serve to muddle liability/personal accountability if there's a screwup. Undercover wear masks? Only on Halloween. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:55:43 AM EDT
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This. I always love the people who complain about their local cops who they pay $11/hour. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll second that. Pay enough to attract the good-quality guys with an interest in the community -you know, family, kids in school, able to afford a house, same kind of guy that businesses try to hire into management. Smart, educated.... oh, wait, we don't want to pay that much. We'll hire the power-tripping thug, then complain about quality of service while the good cops who can barely make it on their checks tell us EXACTLY what's wrong. +1 This. I always love the people who complain about their local cops who they pay $11/hour. It's the primary reason I abandoned it as a possible career. The pay is shit. There are exceptions, but it's always in agencies I have less than no desire to work in, or they're too far of a commute from a town I would actually live in. I'm all about jacking the salaries WAY up, and paying for it. I'm convinced it'll attract better candidates. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:59:23 AM EDT
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F3PNI.
I didn't vote because of not having that option. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:03:51 PM EDT
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Nothing that a regular civilian can't own. Agreed but I would add ...without paying the bullshit NFA tax. Get rid of the tax, let LEOs have SBR, SBS, etc... Edit: I was beat, several times. 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:17:48 PM EDT
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the weapons they have isn't the problem, I say let them use whatever they want, even man pads, drones and such..but put a stop to QI and make them legally/criminally responsible for every single thing they do while on the clock...everything...this would stop 99% of the issues we the public have with their current performance................
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:25:58 PM EDT
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I chose "military weapons" just to fuck the poll up.
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