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But they didn't have gangs of potheads with their pot needles running amok. If it saves muh kids from tha pot needles it's ok to ban guns.

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Before the blanket condemnation perhaps one should look into what some states like CA consider certain crimes like 2nd degree burglary a misdemeanor and non-violent these days.

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In this thread we see the mental gymnastics to approve of infringement of gun rights because of the team jersey on the administration.

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Laws have never been about protecting society and have always been about controlling society. 

Murder is a crime not because it is wrong but because Government wants a monopoly on violence. 

We have two types of crime... Mala In Se and Mala Prohibita.

Malum in se is a Latin phrase meaning wrong or evil in itself. The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct.

Mala prohibita (the singluar is malum prohibitum) is a term applied to any action is criminalized strictly by statute and statutory law. The phrase is Latin, and translates as wrong because it is prohibited.

Honestly good people don't need words on paper telling them that theft, murder, rape, etc... is bad.

Those in power control us through Mala Prohibita. Regulation, Edicts, and Policy.

There is nothing naturally wrong with not registering a vehicle or having a rifle barrel under 16 inches.

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Might do some good if everyone contacted the President and voiced there concerns....other wise this shit won't get fixed...

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They lost their rights for a reason.

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Laws have never been about protecting society and have always been about controlling society. 

Murder is a crime not because it is wrong but because Government wants a monopoly on violence. 

We have two types of crime... Mala In Se and Mala Prohibita.

Malum in se is a Latin phrase meaning wrong or evil in itself. The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct.

Mala prohibita (the singluar is malum prohibitum) is a term applied to any action is criminalized strictly by statute and statutory law. The phrase is Latin, and translates as wrong because it is prohibited.

Honestly good people don't need words on paper telling them that theft, murder, rape, etc... is bad.

Those in power control us through Mala Prohibita. Regulation, Edicts, and Policy.

There is nothing naturally wrong with not registering a vehicle or having a rifle barrel under 16 inches.

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Laws have never been about protecting society and have always been about controlling society. 

Murder is a crime not because it is wrong but because Government wants a monopoly on violence. 

We have two types of crime... Mala In Se and Mala Prohibita.

Malum in se is a Latin phrase meaning wrong or evil in itself. The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct.

Mala prohibita (the singluar is malum prohibitum) is a term applied to any action is criminalized strictly by statute and statutory law. The phrase is Latin, and translates as wrong because it is prohibited.

Honestly good people don't need words on paper telling them that theft, murder, rape, etc... is bad.

Those in power control us through Mala Prohibita. Regulation, Edicts, and Policy.

There is nothing naturally wrong with not registering a vehicle or having a rifle barrel under 16 inches.

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They lost their rights for a reason.

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What's your point?  It is a non-violent crime.  These are called facts and are not really up for debate.  

You think that someone should lose their rights for the rest of their life for committing a burglary?  

Man, this place has really opened my eyes as to how ignorant the vast majority of the population is, no matter what political party they side with.  In fact, many of you are share many of the same beliefs and views as the same radical leftists you claim to despise so much.

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I'm disliking Sessions more and more every day.

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They lost their rights for a reason.

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If you paid your debt to society then you should have your rights restored. All of them. Period.

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They lost their rights for a reason.

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Just to play devil's advocate, should we allow convicted pedophiles to freely interact with children upon their release?

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Convicted pedos should never be released IMO.  Should be life without parole.

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So dose Shairblue Hack old accounts or are they just bought up for penny's on the dollar.  Lots of old low post count accounts showing concern lately.

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If they are still a danger to children then why release them?

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QFT

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Just to play devil's advocate, should we allow convicted pedophiles to freely interact with children upon their release?

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They lost their rights for a reason.

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They lost their rights for a reason.

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They don't have to make an opinion at all.  The Justice Department exists to represent the government and to enforce the law, not to decide not to enforce the law.  We expect the government to enforce the laws.  If you disagree with the law, then work to change it.  If you allow the government to decide which laws to enforce (or defend), then you get a government which can logically decide not to enforce those laws which limit it.  If you are fine with Sessions not arguing to enforce the law on guns, then you should have had no problem with Holder and Lynch not upholding the laws on immigration.  Additionally, you should not be worried with the government ignoring the laws on domestic spying, fourth amendment protections, etc going forward, because someone somewhere has decided that those laws shouldn't be enforced.

The job of the Attorney General is to argue for the government and to uphold the law.  Don't ask for the government to ignore laws you disagree with, unless you are prepared for and happy with it ignoring laws you agree with as well.

Mike

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Laws have never been about protecting society and have always been about controlling society. 

Murder is a crime not because it is wrong but because Government wants a monopoly on violence. 

We have two types of crime... Mala In Se and Mala Prohibita.

Malum in se is a Latin phrase meaning wrong or evil in itself. The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct.

Mala prohibita (the singluar is malum prohibitum) is a term applied to any action is criminalized strictly by statute and statutory law. The phrase is Latin, and translates as wrong because it is prohibited.

Honestly good people don't need words on paper telling them that theft, murder, rape, etc... is bad.

Those in power control us through Mala Prohibita. Regulation, Edicts, and Policy.

There is nothing naturally wrong with not registering a vehicle or having a rifle barrel under 16 inches.

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How does a gun forum have so many antigunners?

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Because Trump.  If it's Trump shitting on gun rights a lot of people will accept it, cheer it on, and ask for more.

Come see the excuses.

Lots of folks outright arguing that they don't want Trump to improve gun rights, just so they don't have to admit that he's breaking his promises.  They'll bend in any direction necessary to keep from having to criticize him.

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Those who would disarm us thank you for your support.

Court: US gun ban doesn't apply to city domestic abuse laws


A Kansas man convicted of misdemeanor domestic battery under a city ordinance can legally carry a gun, an appeals court found in a ruling that could have broader implications for firearm sales.

The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals' ruling came in the case of Alexander Pauler, a Wichita man who was accused of violating a federal law that prohibits someone from owning a gun if they've been convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence "under federal, state or tribal law."

Prosecutors said Pauler couldn't have a gun because he had been convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence under a Wichita ordinance. But a three-judge panel of the Denver-based appeals court on Tuesday unanimously found that the federal gun law doesn't apply when the underlying domestic abuse violation is under a municipal ordinance.

Pauler's attorney, David Freund, said it's the first time that a federal appeals court has directly addressed that argument.

"It will really open up a class of individuals who are now able to lawfully exercise their Second Amendment rights" to bear arms, Freund said.

Prosecutors are evaluating the court's ruling and no decision has been made on whether they will appeal to the full 10th Circuit or the U.S. Supreme Court, said Jim Cross, spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Kansas. Not many cases in Kansas would be affected by the ruling, he added.

However, at least one other case is already using the ruling in an effort to get a gun charge dismissed. Attorneys for Curtis Allen — one of three people facing federal charges in an alleged plot to bomb an apartment building full of Somali immigrants in western Kansas — filed a motion Wednesday seeking dismissal of a count related to possession of firearms after having previously been convicted of a misdemeanor domestic abuse conviction in a municipal court.

Freund said the bigger impact will be on people who try to buy a gun from a seller licensed by the U.S. government and are denied because a background check turns up of a municipal misdemeanor domestic violence conviction.

It was less clear, however, what the immediate impact of the ruling could be on the National Instant Background Check System, which is run by the FBI. Spokeswoman Bridget Patton declined to comment on the possible effect.

The case stems from a March 2014 altercation at a party in Wichita in which Pauler brandished his Glock pistol, racked the slide as if he were getting ready to fire the gun, then said, "If anyone's tripping. I got the heater right here," according to the ruling. Police pulled Pauler over within a half mile of the party, and found the firearm.

The government contended Pauler was prohibited from lawfully owning a gun because he had been convicted in 2009 of violating a Wichita domestic battery ordinance by punching his girlfriend in the face several times, according to court documents. Pauler pleaded guilty to the federal gun charge on the condition he could appeal over the issue of his prior domestic violence conviction. He was sentenced last year to five years of probation.

Rob Valente, chief officer of government affairs at the National Domestic Violence Hotline, said the 10th Circuit's ruling "undermines the work that has been done to close loopholes in federal firearm laws and protect victims of domestic violence and dating abuse."

"Without these protections, it can be easier for someone convicted of domestic violence to access firearms, which may be used to threaten their partner," Valente said.

The National Rifle Association did not immediately return messages seeking comment on the ruling.

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I haven't seen any reason why these people should be considered dangerous enough to warrant the loss of their Second Amendment rights following their convictions. Gura is definitely on our side and does not represent thugs.

Ultimately, a better standard is needed to determine if a person should be prohibited from possessing firearms than what is provided by the GCA, whether that comes from the courts (preferable) or it comes from Congress amending the GCA (fat chance).