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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:31:11 PM EDT
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Before the blanket condemnation perhaps one should look into what some states like CA consider certain crimes like 2nd degree burglary a misdemeanor and non-violent these days.  |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:32:03 PM EDT
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They lost their rights for a reason. Many crimes are felonies. Fail to have proper workers compensation coverage for a new employee at a jobsite in FL even for one day due to an administrative error. Felony arrestable offense. Loss of 2nd Amendment and voting rights. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:32:39 PM EDT
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So? If you served your time, you're supposed to be rehabilitated. Why should you have rights restricted after serving your sentence? I.E. firearms, right to vote, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before the blanket condemnation perhaps one should look into what some states like CA consider certain crimes like 2nd degree burglary a misdemeanor and non-violent these days. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:32:47 PM EDT
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How does a gun forum have so many antigunners?
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:33:27 PM EDT
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I would like to know more info.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:33:50 PM EDT
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Concealed means concealed.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:34:40 PM EDT
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How does a gun forum have so many antigunners? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:35:09 PM EDT
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So? If you served your time, you're supposed to be rehabilitated. Why should you have rights restricted after serving your sentence? I.E. firearms, right to vote, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before the blanket condemnation perhaps one should look into what some states like CA consider certain crimes like 2nd degree burglary a misdemeanor and non-violent these days. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:35:17 PM EDT
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fuck Sessions
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:35:34 PM EDT
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Remember this quote as more and more prohibitory non-violent "crimes" become commonplace. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They lost their rights for a reason. Once they have paid for their crimes, restore their rights. Obviously this doesn't mean let someone who murdered 5 people and somehow got released a gun... I means when someone murders someone they never get out or are put to death. If your safe to release and paid your debit to society restore their rights! |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:37:37 PM EDT
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Everybody, including the author of the article, is missing one gigantic point: There is a disconnect between the meaning of "Misdemeanor" and "Felony" in all these statutes. Historically, a misdemeanor is a crime punishable by UP TO one year in jail. This is reserved for petty crimes and offenses. A misdemeanor does not incur loss of civil rights (except for domestic violence incurring loss of firearms ranks thanks to that anal wart Lautenberg). A felony is a crime punishable by more than a year in jail. This results in loss of civil rights to own firearms, to vote, to serve on juries, to serve in public office. HOWEVER..... Some states got cute and create Misdemeanors punishable by 2 or 3 years in jail, like Maryland. These are not felonies, but they are punishable by more than a year in jail, so WHAM!! Firearms rights are lost. It's a work-around to fuck gun owners. This is bullshit. If it's punishable by more than a year in jail, make it a felony. If it's a misdemeanor, make it up to a year in jail and no more. Congress should be SPECIFIC and say "Felony," or the courts should correct it to say, "Well, Congress meant and should have said FELONY, so we're OK with restoring gun rights for misdemeanors regardless of length of punishment." Republicans could make a more permanent fix right to this kind of crap now, but , you know...they only have control the legislative branch and the executive branch.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:38:02 PM EDT
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If you paid your debt to society then you should have your rights restored. All of them. Period.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:38:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:38:39 PM EDT
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The justice system is broken, how many criminals get let out early because the prison is over crowded. Fix the justice system first then we can talk about restoring rights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before the blanket condemnation perhaps one should look into what some states like CA consider certain crimes like 2nd degree burglary a misdemeanor and non-violent these days. I'm more convinced everyday that there's no fixing the government, it has to be reformatted, fresh OS install. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:38:52 PM EDT
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In this thread we see the mental gymnastics to approve of infringement of gun rights because of the team jersey on the administration. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:39:11 PM EDT
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How does a gun forum have so many antigunners? 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:39:20 PM EDT
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They lost their rights for a reason. Every day, the average American commits three felonies. So argues civil-liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate in his new book “Three Felonies a Day,” the title of which refers to the number of crimes he estimates that Americans perpetrate each day because of vague and overly burdensome laws. Did you bother to read that drivel? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:39:46 PM EDT
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More Sessions bullshit.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:40:46 PM EDT
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No, it's more like they are on Team "Muh Lawz & Orderz" even if it means stripping Jews of the gold in their teeth on their way into the concentration camps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In this thread we see the mental gymnastics to approve of infringement of gun rights because of the team jersey on the administration. January 20th - "The law is the law". |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:42:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:43:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:45:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:46:31 PM EDT
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Sessions sucks donkey dick, anti-gun rights drug warrior, he's everything wrong with Republicans. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:47:44 PM EDT
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This is troubling....I'm going to reserve going off here as a) I don't trust the MSM to cover ANY story and b) I was assured by Trump's biggest supporters before the election he was the greatest 2nd Ammendment supporter.
This is a slippery slope, I need to study this story more but thes guys served their time. Do they forego their 1st Ammendment rights as well |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:49:02 PM EDT
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Ah it was Adams!
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:49:56 PM EDT
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“if allowed to stand … will place an extraordinary administrative burden” on federal judges 
Seems like this is a 1A violation too: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:50:45 PM EDT
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The system did this to itself in its zeal to criminalize everything possible. Mass producing criminals and taking away rights is a feature not a bug. I'm more convinced everyday that there's no fixing the government, it has to be reformatted, fresh OS install. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before the blanket condemnation perhaps one should look into what some states like CA consider certain crimes like 2nd degree burglary a misdemeanor and non-violent these days. I'm more convinced everyday that there's no fixing the government, it has to be reformatted, fresh OS install. Murder is a crime not because it is wrong but because Government wants a monopoly on violence. We have two types of crime... Mala In Se and Mala Prohibita. Malum in se is a Latin phrase meaning wrong or evil in itself. The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct. Mala prohibita (the singluar is malum prohibitum) is a term applied to any action is criminalized strictly by statute and statutory law. The phrase is Latin, and translates as wrong because it is prohibited. Honestly good people don't need words on paper telling them that theft, murder, rape, etc... is bad. Those in power control us through Mala Prohibita. Regulation, Edicts, and Policy. There is nothing naturally wrong with not registering a vehicle or having a rifle barrel under 16 inches. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:50:56 PM EDT
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Well that pisses me off quite a bit. The more I see of the Sessions agenda, the more I dislike him.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:52:40 PM EDT
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They lost their rights for a reason. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:52:41 PM EDT
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They lost their rights for a reason. 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:52:52 PM EDT
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This is troubling....I'm going to reserve going off here as a) I don't trust the MSM to cover ANY story and b) I was assured by Trump's biggest supporters before the election he was the greatest 2nd Ammendment supporter. This is a slippery slope, I need to study this story more but thes guys served their time. Do they forego their 1st Ammendment rights as well |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:53:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:54:06 PM EDT
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Its a right.
Period. The End. Either you uphold the Constitution, or die taking it away. 100% that's my stance. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:54:11 PM EDT
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Who could possible know the 10s of thousands of laws on the books. The Justice Industry is just as much of a weapon as the IRS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Who could possible know the 10s of thousands of laws on the books. The Justice Industry is just as much of a weapon as the IRS. The legal system is such a convoluted disaster that no one really knows what is and isn't legal. We have no many laws on the books that aren't enforced yet still legal. Plus the number of laws that are enforced. It is so crazy you need specialists with years of training and understanding to simply enforce tiny sections of it. Let alone fight it in court. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:55:16 PM EDT
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This is troubling....I'm going to reserve going off here as a) I don't trust the MSM to cover ANY story and b) I was assured by Trump's biggest supporters before the election he was the greatest 2nd Ammendment supporter. This is a slippery slope, I need to study this story more but thes guys served their time. Do they forego their 1st Ammendment rights as well But if he's deemed to be safe to release and paid for his crime, restore the citizens rights!!! |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:55:36 PM EDT
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They lost their rights for a reason. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:56:00 PM EDT
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That is a very good point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In many states you were given a revolver, a horse and a suit of clothes when you were let out.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:56:17 PM EDT
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In this thread we see the mental gymnastics to approve of infringement of gun rights because of the team jersey on the administration. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:56:43 PM EDT
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Boo fucking hoo. I feel so sorry for the fucking judges having to do thier job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:58:22 PM EDT
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Remember that in NY or NJ you can be a nationwide prohibited person for life for simply having a handgun in your car without a permit or a 17rd handgun mag. Something that's not even illegal in most other states. Lifetime gun rights restrictions should be reserved for truly dangerous offenders: murderers ,rapists, armed robbers and the like.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:58:33 PM EDT
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Laws have never been about protecting society and have always been about controlling society. Murder is a crime not because it is wrong but because Government wants a monopoly on violence. We have two types of crime... Mala In Se and Mala Prohibita. Malum in se is a Latin phrase meaning wrong or evil in itself. The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct. Mala prohibita (the singluar is malum prohibitum) is a term applied to any action is criminalized strictly by statute and statutory law. The phrase is Latin, and translates as wrong because it is prohibited. Honestly good people don't need words on paper telling them that theft, murder, rape, etc... is bad. Those in power control us through Mala Prohibita. Regulation, Edicts, and Policy. There is nothing naturally wrong with not registering a vehicle or having a rifle barrel under 16 inches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before the blanket condemnation perhaps one should look into what some states like CA consider certain crimes like 2nd degree burglary a misdemeanor and non-violent these days. I'm more convinced everyday that there's no fixing the government, it has to be reformatted, fresh OS install. Murder is a crime not because it is wrong but because Government wants a monopoly on violence. We have two types of crime... Mala In Se and Mala Prohibita. Malum in se is a Latin phrase meaning wrong or evil in itself. The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct. Mala prohibita (the singluar is malum prohibitum) is a term applied to any action is criminalized strictly by statute and statutory law. The phrase is Latin, and translates as wrong because it is prohibited. Honestly good people don't need words on paper telling them that theft, murder, rape, etc... is bad. Those in power control us through Mala Prohibita. Regulation, Edicts, and Policy. There is nothing naturally wrong with not registering a vehicle or having a rifle barrel under 16 inches. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:59:30 PM EDT
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I'm disliking Sessions more and more every day.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:59:38 PM EDT
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They lost their rights for a reason. 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:59:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2017 1:00:02 PM EDT
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Wait what? Did you even read the OP? Lost his rights for having an unpermitted handgun in the glovebox. Didn't even serve time. This is something I wager almost everyone on this board has done. What the fuck? Is this a gun board or the comments section of Huffington Post? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They lost their rights for a reason. Lost his rights for having an unpermitted handgun in the glovebox. Didn't even serve time. This is something I wager almost everyone on this board has done. What the fuck? Is this a gun board or the comments section of Huffington Post? No shortage of those shitheels even on this site. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 1:00:26 PM EDT
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Sessions sucks donkey dick, anti-gun rights drug warrior, he's everything wrong with Republicans. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 1:01:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2017 1:01:34 PM EDT
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It's his job to enforce the law. Remember how mad we got (or many of us) when Obama's DOJ didn't want to defend federal law regarding gay stuff? They were wrong to not stand up to defend federal law.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 1:02:38 PM EDT
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They lost their rights for a reason. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 1:03:18 PM EDT
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Mala prohibita should have never been allowed to grow to what it is. At least in this citizens opinion. |
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