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Posted: 2/28/2014 2:50:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Syria, BHO actually made a huge mistake, and the GOP wouldn't let him follow through. Whether the motivation was cock-blocking the Pres. or keeping the U.S. out of a war it didn't need to be in the end result was the correct move. As far as the green party uprising, what of it? None of our politicians actually bothered to understand who and what was behind it. It wasn't anti-Islamic or anti-Nuclear- but was looking for a different level of accountability and effectiveness from hardline govt. The absolute best way to KILL the green party movement would have been for a lot horseshit, uninformed bluster from our politicians about how 'we're behind them'. As it was, the hardliners were trying to tie them to the U.S. Our interference is not welcome or effective in Iranian internal affairs. I know that a lot of this is complex and doesn't lend itself to 'millions dying' or 'credibility' slogans but we want to get it right, don't we? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: America = the worst nosy neighbor. Every world conflict America thinks "what can i do to insert myself into this". Remember Syria? Remember the Iranian green party uprising? Those weren't the first times. But I do have to agree that this is not our fight. BHO still looks like a dumb fuck every time Putin gets aggressive thanks to the Syrian "red line" fiasco. In Syria, BHO actually made a huge mistake, and the GOP wouldn't let him follow through. Whether the motivation was cock-blocking the Pres. or keeping the U.S. out of a war it didn't need to be in the end result was the correct move. As far as the green party uprising, what of it? None of our politicians actually bothered to understand who and what was behind it. It wasn't anti-Islamic or anti-Nuclear- but was looking for a different level of accountability and effectiveness from hardline govt. The absolute best way to KILL the green party movement would have been for a lot horseshit, uninformed bluster from our politicians about how 'we're behind them'. As it was, the hardliners were trying to tie them to the U.S. Our interference is not welcome or effective in Iranian internal affairs. I know that a lot of this is complex and doesn't lend itself to 'millions dying' or 'credibility' slogans but we want to get it right, don't we? I didn't say anything about having an interest. I'm talking about the cries from country after country about "Where is America?" "Why aren't they saving us?" Look. American intervention has been so common that people all over the world expect America to be the first "Good Guy" to come to their rescue. Well, that was back then. Now they have Zero. He made so many damn promises that some people thought it was the second coming of Jesus and it became painfully obvious to everyone but the hard left Americans that he is completely full of shit, especially in geopolitical issues that might require American military intervention. Yeah the cries are dying down. I do understand that vocal support by the United States for the green party would have done nothing but harm to the Green Party. America is the devil to a lot of folks there. My only point was that America doesn't necessarily always show up uninvited. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 2:53:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Also, it will be sad to see how Obama lets them get away with it. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:08:10 PM EDT
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CNN reporter just confirming that the troops on the ground there are concealing their identity. No identifiable markings on their vehicles nor their uniforms. When asked who they are, they do not respond. Also that former president Yuck is in Russia and has invited the Russians to come into Ukraine and help him.
This is why, when your overthrow is successful, you make sure the president doesn't leave the country, even better if he's dead. State Dept saying Russia now controls Crimea. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:15:38 PM EDT
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Not our war. Let the Euros figure this one out. They had decades of socialist program spending since we took up a huge portion of what they SHOULD have been spending on defense. Time for them to figure it out. If it turns, then we should assist, but only then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also, it will be sad to see how Obama lets them get away with it. You may have missed the past 13 years but virtually all of Europe took part in America's Afghanistan and Iraqi adventures. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:16:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess it was all just a dream. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If only they actually recruited, selected, and trained for such possibilities anymore. I used to read Pravda magazine Khrushchev and Stalin up in the limousine Shootin' dissenters up against my wall Every Saturday Chyorny Attack, so magic, total war I let my paki-tape rock 'til my paki-tape popped |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:21:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: America = the worst nosy neighbor. Every world conflict America thinks "what can i do to insert myself into this". However, that doesn't mean we should be involved in every conflict. How our incompetent white house handled Libya, Syria, Egypt recently were all foreign policy blunders IMO. It would be wise for us to keep quiet in this case at least until we have a better understanding of WTF is going on, especially because its amateur hour domestically. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:28:44 PM EDT
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Breaking: Russian Motorcycle Gang heading for the Ukraine
http://world.time.com/2014/02/28/crimea-russia-putin-night-wolves/ The whole thing is looking more and more like an A-TEAM episode 
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:39:22 PM EDT
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Obama gave another hollow threat speech today. Putin has the green light to do what he wants. Obama is a pussy, and Putin knows it.
We have Iranian ships sailing up the Atlantic coast. Russian warships in Cuba. We sell out our Israel. The Libs are cutting our military. Obama wants to negotiate away more of our nukes. The whole world knows that Obama is an empty suit. Freedom everywhere is in peril. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:42:03 PM EDT
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Breaking: Russian Motorcycle Gang heading for the Ukraine
http://world.time.com/2014/02/28/crimea-russia-putin-night-wolves/ The whole thing is looking more and more like an A-TEAM episode http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/original700/vladimir-putin-2009-7-7-11-43-45.jpg He needs thugs to do things he's not able to due to the media attention. Troops going in and burning houses, raping women, killing old men? Never gonna happen. Ethnic Russians in Ukraine getting pay back and running wild? Can't be blamed fo dat. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:44:30 PM EDT
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Any recent pics of the Russian build-up ?
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:46:35 PM EDT
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And no one took me up on a PMag wager that there would be Russian flags flying over Crimea by VE Day.
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Posted: 2/28/2014 3:54:59 PM EDT
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Notice no identifying markings. And it's doubtful these are SF.
These guys have some equipment on them. Note the white arm bands. 
Some town hall in the area. with Bangs
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:04:25 PM EDT
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The title of the video says that the choppers are headed to Bilbek, the colloquial name for Sevastapol Airport in the Crimea, though that's probably just a guess. It's entirely possible, though, seeing as how Ukraine may have already taken the airport back. It's all a bit fluid right now.
The comments circulating on the various Internets right now pin these as Russian helicopters, though I'm not willing to definitively say that just yet. Both the Ukrainian and the Russian air forces hold large fleets of Mil Mi-24 attack/transport helicopters, which these might be, and it's difficult to make out the roundels. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:07:55 PM EDT
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The title of the video says that the choppers are headed to Bilbek, the colloquial name for Sevastapol Airport in the Crimea, though that's probably just a guess. It's entirely possible, though, seeing as how Ukraine may have already taken the airport back. It's all a bit fluid right now.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A
The comments circulating on the various Internets right now pin these as Russian helicopters, though I'm not willing to definitively say that just yet. Both the Ukrainian and the Russian air forces hold large fleets of Mil Mi-24 attack/transport helicopters, which these might be, and it's difficult to make out the roundels. It's impossible to know who they are just based off the airframes. That said, all the RUS forces moving into the area right now are unmarked. I would imagine UKR equipment would be clearly marked. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:15:24 PM EDT
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no fucks given we have enough of our own problems
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:21:37 PM EDT
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no fucks given we have enough of our own problems Maybe we shouldn't have asked them to give a fuck about us in Iraq. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:26:40 PM EDT
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It's impossible to know who they are just based off the airframes. That said, all the RUS forces moving into the area right now are unmarked. I would imagine UKR equipment would be clearly marked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The title of the video says that the choppers are headed to Bilbek, the colloquial name for Sevastapol Airport in the Crimea, though that's probably just a guess. It's entirely possible, though, seeing as how Ukraine may have already taken the airport back. It's all a bit fluid right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A
The comments circulating on the various Internets right now pin these as Russian helicopters, though I'm not willing to definitively say that just yet. Both the Ukrainian and the Russian air forces hold large fleets of Mil Mi-24 attack/transport helicopters, which these might be, and it's difficult to make out the roundels. It's impossible to know who they are just based off the airframes. That said, all the RUS forces moving into the area right now are unmarked. I would imagine UKR equipment would be clearly marked. Isn't there some kind of rule about uniformed or unidentifiable combatants....anybody here fill me in? |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:28:47 PM EDT
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Isn't there some kind of rule about uniformed or unidentifiable combatants....anybody here fill me in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The title of the video says that the choppers are headed to Bilbek, the colloquial name for Sevastapol Airport in the Crimea, though that's probably just a guess. It's entirely possible, though, seeing as how Ukraine may have already taken the airport back. It's all a bit fluid right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A
The comments circulating on the various Internets right now pin these as Russian helicopters, though I'm not willing to definitively say that just yet. Both the Ukrainian and the Russian air forces hold large fleets of Mil Mi-24 attack/transport helicopters, which these might be, and it's difficult to make out the roundels. It's impossible to know who they are just based off the airframes. That said, all the RUS forces moving into the area right now are unmarked. I would imagine UKR equipment would be clearly marked. Isn't there some kind of rule about uniformed or unidentifiable combatants....anybody here fill me in? Russia follows no rules. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:29:13 PM EDT
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Isn't there some kind of rule about uniformed or unidentifiable combatants....anybody here fill me in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The title of the video says that the choppers are headed to Bilbek, the colloquial name for Sevastapol Airport in the Crimea, though that's probably just a guess. It's entirely possible, though, seeing as how Ukraine may have already taken the airport back. It's all a bit fluid right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A
The comments circulating on the various Internets right now pin these as Russian helicopters, though I'm not willing to definitively say that just yet. Both the Ukrainian and the Russian air forces hold large fleets of Mil Mi-24 attack/transport helicopters, which these might be, and it's difficult to make out the roundels. It's impossible to know who they are just based off the airframes. That said, all the RUS forces moving into the area right now are unmarked. I would imagine UKR equipment would be clearly marked. Isn't there some kind of rule about uniformed or unidentifiable combatants....anybody here fill me in? Russians? Rules? |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:33:19 PM EDT
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I thought it was from the Geneva Convention or the UN.
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:39:55 PM EDT
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The title of the video says that the choppers are headed to Bilbek, the colloquial name for Sevastapol Airport in the Crimea, though that's probably just a guess. It's entirely possible, though, seeing as how Ukraine may have already taken the airport back. It's all a bit fluid right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A
The comments circulating on the various Internets right now pin these as Russian helicopters, though I'm not willing to definitively say that just yet. Both the Ukrainian and the Russian air forces hold large fleets of Mil Mi-24 attack/transport helicopters, which these might be, and it's difficult to make out the roundels. Another view directly below the choppers. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865 |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:41:54 PM EDT
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Russia follows no rules. Russia is following the oldest rule in human history. Stop us if you can. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:43:20 PM EDT
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The title of the video says that the choppers are headed to Bilbek, the colloquial name for Sevastapol Airport in the Crimea, though that's probably just a guess. It's entirely possible, though, seeing as how Ukraine may have already taken the airport back. It's all a bit fluid right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A
The comments circulating on the various Internets right now pin these as Russian helicopters, though I'm not willing to definitively say that just yet. Both the Ukrainian and the Russian air forces hold large fleets of Mil Mi-24 attack/transport helicopters, which these might be, and it's difficult to make out the roundels. Another view directly below the choppers. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865 Several looked like havocs to me. I have wrecked about a thousand or so. Only cost me 50$ for bf3. 
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:45:17 PM EDT
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I thought it was from the Geneva Convention or the UN. By the spirit of most rules regarding uniforms, they meet it. They are bering arms openly and clearly combatants, not be be confused with non-belligerant parties. They don't have a clearly identifiable insignia, but neither would any of GD in their Red Dawn fantasy scenarios. If it can be proved the are Russian military, now that would be interesting. But not because of the uniform issue. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:48:13 PM EDT
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I think Hillary better get them another reset button. The first one must just be broken.
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:50:38 PM EDT
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I thought it was from the Geneva Convention or the UN. Russia is a participating member, yes. Not sure what will be said of their non-insignias or refusing to answer reporter's questions on who they are. I believe in Georgia, they used a lot of "militia" or thugs with military gear, to do the bad stuff. Like everybody these days, they are subverting the law, rather than abiding by the spirit of it. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was all a dream I used to read Pravda magazine Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If only they actually recruited, selected, and trained for such possibilities anymore. I used to read Pravda magazine Khrushchev and Stalin up in the limousine Shootin' dissenters up against my wall Every Saturday Chyorny Attack, so magic, total war I let my paki-tape rock 'til my paki-tape popped This didnt get nearly the credit it deserved. 10/10. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:52:12 PM EDT
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I think Hillary better get them another reset button. The first one must just be broken. She's banging that thing harder than Huma Weiner right now. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:52:32 PM EDT
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By the spirit of most rules regarding uniforms, they meet it. They are bering arms openly and clearly combatants, not be be confused with non-belligerant parties. They don't have a clearly identifiable insignia, but neither would any of GD in their Red Dawn fantasy scenarios. If it can be proved the are Russian military, now that would be interesting. But not because of the uniform issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought it was from the Geneva Convention or the UN. By the spirit of most rules regarding uniforms, they meet it. They are bering arms openly and clearly combatants, not be be confused with non-belligerant parties. They don't have a clearly identifiable insignia, but neither would any of GD in their Red Dawn fantasy scenarios. If it can be proved the are Russian military, now that would be interesting. But not because of the uniform issue. It's really Argentina. No of course it's russia why is this even a question? |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:55:06 PM EDT
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It is axiomatic that such as it is, freedom all over the world is at risk when American Leftists are in power.
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Posted: 2/28/2014 4:58:00 PM EDT
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It's really Argentina. No of course it's russia why is this even a question? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought it was from the Geneva Convention or the UN. By the spirit of most rules regarding uniforms, they meet it. They are bering arms openly and clearly combatants, not be be confused with non-belligerant parties. They don't have a clearly identifiable insignia, but neither would any of GD in their Red Dawn fantasy scenarios. If it can be proved the are Russian military, now that would be interesting. But not because of the uniform issue. It's really Argentina. No of course it's russia why is this even a question? You ever been to Simferopol? Fuck, most of the locomotives down there still have the Commie hammer and sickle. Everybody there speaks Russian, and I guaran-damn-tee you the governor down there is pro-Russian. This has Russia written all over it, but this could very well be home grown. Plausible deniability like a motherfucker. The trick would be to prove otherwise. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:01:41 PM EDT
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why would obama care about ukrainians? they white and christian. I heard that very same point today, also the same reason he does not like Israel it is full of too many "white" jews. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:04:49 PM EDT
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Where are the comm intercepts. This is the shit those expensive 3 letter agencies are supposed to do. Yes, I expect it is all encrypted, so? DO your fucking real job NSA, CIA, et al.
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:05:59 PM EDT
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You ever been to Simferopol? Fuck, most of the locomotives down there still have the Commie hammer and sickle. Everybody there speaks Russian, and I guaran-damn-tee you the governor down there is pro-Russian. This has Russia written all over it, but this could very well be home grown. Plausible deniability like a motherfucker. The trick would be to prove otherwise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought it was from the Geneva Convention or the UN. By the spirit of most rules regarding uniforms, they meet it. They are bering arms openly and clearly combatants, not be be confused with non-belligerant parties. They don't have a clearly identifiable insignia, but neither would any of GD in their Red Dawn fantasy scenarios. If it can be proved the are Russian military, now that would be interesting. But not because of the uniform issue. It's really Argentina. No of course it's russia why is this even a question? You ever been to Simferopol? Fuck, most of the locomotives down there still have the Commie hammer and sickle. Everybody there speaks Russian, and I guaran-damn-tee you the governor down there is pro-Russian. This has Russia written all over it, but this could very well be home grown. Plausible deniability like a motherfucker. The trick would be to prove otherwise. This 'are they really Russian troops' debate is silly at this point. I would say GRU Spetsnaz type units most likely. I notice some personalization on their rifles and equipment one commonly sees with them such as Zenit accessories and various optics like EOtechs and Obzors. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:07:15 PM EDT
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Where are the comm intercepts. This is the shit those expensive 3 letter agencies are supposed to do. Yes, I expect it is all encrypted, so? DO your fucking real job NSA, CIA, et al. You want them to look outward??? Anyways, this is why you kill or jail the JBTs when you have the upper hand. Russia to give passports to Berkut |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:08:45 PM EDT
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Where are the comm intercepts. This is the shit those expensive 3 letter agencies are supposed to do. Yes, I expect it is all encrypted, so? DO your fucking real job NSA, CIA, et al. lol GD fights for months to cripple all US intel capabilities, assuming any capability that might be used on Americans, must be for use on Americans. Now we get the whining. You don't think Snowden gave the Russians more than enough for them to figure out how to counter our capabilities? You think this stuff can be rebuilt by magic? Another win for Russia, with the legions of useful idiots cheering them on. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:09:33 PM EDT
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Where are the comm intercepts. This is the shit those expensive 3 letter agencies are supposed to do. Yes, I expect it is all encrypted, so? DO your fucking real job NSA, CIA, et al. We sent a ship into the area the other day capable of that. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:09:41 PM EDT
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This 'are they really Russian troops' debate is silly at this point. I would say GRU Spetsnaz type units most likely. I notice some personalization on their rifles and equipment one commonly sees with them such as Zenit accessories and various optics like EOtechs and Obzors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought it was from the Geneva Convention or the UN. By the spirit of most rules regarding uniforms, they meet it. They are bering arms openly and clearly combatants, not be be confused with non-belligerant parties. They don't have a clearly identifiable insignia, but neither would any of GD in their Red Dawn fantasy scenarios. If it can be proved the are Russian military, now that would be interesting. But not because of the uniform issue. It's really Argentina. No of course it's russia why is this even a question? You ever been to Simferopol? Fuck, most of the locomotives down there still have the Commie hammer and sickle. Everybody there speaks Russian, and I guaran-damn-tee you the governor down there is pro-Russian. This has Russia written all over it, but this could very well be home grown. Plausible deniability like a motherfucker. The trick would be to prove otherwise. This 'are they really Russian troops' debate is silly at this point. I would say GRU Spetsnaz type units most likely. I notice some personalization on their rifles and equipment one commonly sees with them such as Zenit accessories and various optics like EOtechs and Obzors. I have seen reports from some in the area they are from the 76th Shock Troops Division |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:10:12 PM EDT
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BTW, what a brilliant time to be downsizing our military
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:10:14 PM EDT
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lol GD fights for months to cripple all US intel capabilities, assuming any capability that might be used on Americans, must be for use on Americans. Now we get the whining. You don't think Snowden gave the Russians more than enough for them to figure out how to counter our capabilities? You think this stuff can be rebuilt by magic? Another win for Russia, with the legions of useful idiots cheering them on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are the comm intercepts. This is the shit those expensive 3 letter agencies are supposed to do. Yes, I expect it is all encrypted, so? DO your fucking real job NSA, CIA, et al. lol GD fights for months to cripple all US intel capabilities, assuming any capability that might be used on Americans, must be for use on Americans. Now we get the whining. You don't think Snowden gave the Russians more than enough for them to figure out how to counter our capabilities? You think this stuff can be rebuilt by magic? Another win for Russia, with the legions of useful idiots cheering them on. Yep, I hope all the Snowden cheerleaders are happy. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:11:28 PM EDT
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This 'are they really Russian troops' debate is silly at this point. I would say GRU Spetsnaz type units most likely. I notice some personalization on their rifles and equipment one commonly sees with them such as Zenit accessories and various optics like EOtechs and Obzors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought it was from the Geneva Convention or the UN. By the spirit of most rules regarding uniforms, they meet it. They are bering arms openly and clearly combatants, not be be confused with non-belligerant parties. They don't have a clearly identifiable insignia, but neither would any of GD in their Red Dawn fantasy scenarios. If it can be proved the are Russian military, now that would be interesting. But not because of the uniform issue. It's really Argentina. No of course it's russia why is this even a question? You ever been to Simferopol? Fuck, most of the locomotives down there still have the Commie hammer and sickle. Everybody there speaks Russian, and I guaran-damn-tee you the governor down there is pro-Russian. This has Russia written all over it, but this could very well be home grown. Plausible deniability like a motherfucker. The trick would be to prove otherwise. This 'are they really Russian troops' debate is silly at this point. I would say GRU Spetsnaz type units most likely. I notice some personalization on their rifles and equipment one commonly sees with them such as Zenit accessories and various optics like EOtechs and Obzors. Unless the Russian admit it, or it can be proven, then what? Are they not capable of training locals? They've been there for decades. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:11:32 PM EDT
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We sent a ship into the area the other day capable of that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are the comm intercepts. This is the shit those expensive 3 letter agencies are supposed to do. Yes, I expect it is all encrypted, so? DO your fucking real job NSA, CIA, et al. We sent a ship into the area the other day capable of that. The one that ran aground? |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:11:42 PM EDT
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Yep, I hope all the Snowden cheerleaders are happy. You're reaching. No one has a problem with such capabilities being used against our enemies. The NSA was using it against us however. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:12:09 PM EDT
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The one that ran aground? Link? I didn't hear about that. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:13:27 PM EDT
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You're reaching. No one has a problem with such capabilities being used against our enemies. The NSA was using it against us however. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, I hope all the Snowden cheerleaders are happy. You're reaching. No one has a problem with such capabilities being used against our enemies. The NSA was using it against us however. Were people defending Snowden's flight to Russia or not in some of those threads? All the he did what he had to nonsense is what I am referring to. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:14:16 PM EDT
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Notice no identifying markings. And it's doubtful these are SF. http://i.imgur.com/Wiw4M48.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ygwfiop.jpg These guys have some equipment on them. Note the white arm bands. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWGluhvL7JI
Some town hall in the area. with Bangs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQgWdoeZP8U#t=22holy shit at 15:40 they care carrying out an automatic grenade launcher |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:14:36 PM EDT
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I wish they would. It would be great! They would say things like:
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What if Russia started telling the US what to do about Mexico This! |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:16:36 PM EDT
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lol GD fights for months to cripple all US intel capabilities, assuming any capability that might be used on Americans, must be for use on Americans. Now we get the whining. You don't think Snowden gave the Russians more than enough for them to figure out how to counter our capabilities? You think this stuff can be rebuilt by magic? Another win for Russia, with the legions of useful idiots cheering them on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are the comm intercepts. This is the shit those expensive 3 letter agencies are supposed to do. Yes, I expect it is all encrypted, so? DO your fucking real job NSA, CIA, et al. lol GD fights for months to cripple all US intel capabilities, assuming any capability that might be used on Americans, must be for use on Americans. Now we get the whining. You don't think Snowden gave the Russians more than enough for them to figure out how to counter our capabilities? You think this stuff can be rebuilt by magic? Another win for Russia, with the legions of useful idiots cheering them on. Go sell that bigbrother shit back to who told you to push it. If these agencies hadn't been all up in spying om Americans, they would have kept better care of their own house. Snowden didn't do this, it is good old American bigbrother that fucked our intel ops. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:17:09 PM EDT
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Unless the Russian admit it, or it can be proven, then what? Are they not capable of training locals? They've been there for decades. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This 'are they really Russian troops' debate is silly at this point. I would say GRU Spetsnaz type units most likely. I notice some personalization on their rifles and equipment one commonly sees with them such as Zenit accessories and various optics like EOtechs and Obzors. Unless the Russian admit it, or it can be proven, then what? Are they not capable of training locals? They've been there for decades. Sure, I guess they can play that to the uniformed, but I find it incredibly silly at this point. Locals do not get that stuff. Of course, their propaganda efforts are often ham fisted so I shouldn't expect more. |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 5:17:11 PM EDT
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lol GD fights for months to cripple all US intel capabilities, assuming any capability that might be used on Americans, must be for use on Americans. Now we get the whining. You don't think Snowden gave the Russians more than enough for them to figure out how to counter our capabilities? You think this stuff can be rebuilt by magic? Another win for Russia, with the legions of useful idiots cheering them on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are the comm intercepts. This is the shit those expensive 3 letter agencies are supposed to do. Yes, I expect it is all encrypted, so? DO your fucking real job NSA, CIA, et al. lol GD fights for months to cripple all US intel capabilities, assuming any capability that might be used on Americans, must be for use on Americans. Now we get the whining. You don't think Snowden gave the Russians more than enough for them to figure out how to counter our capabilities? You think this stuff can be rebuilt by magic? Another win for Russia, with the legions of useful idiots cheering them on. Don't presume to think one poster speaks for the currently 8,000 people on ARFCOM. I'm not whining at all about NSA's perceived reduced capabilities. It's the cost of pulling tyrannical BS on your own people. |
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