Thats my point.

Who is safe?





 

No One. If the man has it in for you, you are going down.





 

So by this standard, if a Hispanic-appearing family goes to Social Services to apply for public assistance, part of which are Federal funds, that family should be denied said Federal funds, even if they possess a valid TX Drver's License, until such time, that actual citizenship can be verified, right?

Regardless of how low the feds have sunk, I blame the jury the most for this conviction.  I really can't believe Americans would do that.

holy fucking shit.

those fucking people are corrupt as all hell if this is true.

if this is true, everyone involved needs to be tossed out of office.

that is not what happened here...i will change it for you as i read this


the State sent this girl to the bar,
allowed her to use a fake ID,
they then knew she was going to have sex with you
and allowed it knowing full well you were being lied to.

they then arrested you for rape....

the State robs my house...

they then make a receipt for the item

they then sell the item to you..

they then arrest you for receiving stolen property...




the State is committing the illegalacts

I might have missed the part about the illegals working for the atf to entrap the seller.

Can you tell me where that is?





 

they would have charged the guy with a civil rights violation if he refused to sell to them..

Damn, everything really is bigger in Texas. Even the stupid.

Wasn't Acevedo the cock sucker on The Shield?


Not terribly surprised he's gone from sucking thug dick to fucking citizens

This.
Try getting a drivers license while illegal in any other country, it's not gonna happen (even in friendly Canada).

There was a core group of them ( non ffl guys) that were there every month for years. They sold from their own private collection. Whats wrong with that? I got some pretty good deals from those guys. Some of the same folks go to the new one down south in the old target building.

I am thinking about getting a table next month.So I can sell off some of my unneeded gun related stuff. That and I have some AP .50 Cal I need to sell.

50 bucks a Table. I sell one upper and one can of .50 ammo  and I am good.

If the conviction means you can never legally own firearms again, which in this case it does, you'd better find the money.

What's wrong with it from a federal gun law perspective is the law defines a firearms dealer as someone that is "engaged in the business" of buying and selling firearms. For this you must have an FFL to comply with the law.

The term "engaged in the business" was defined by the legislation as "a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms." Specifically excluded from the definition was a person who made "occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms."

IMO setting up a table at a gun show every month for years on end, and offering to sell firearms to anyone that walks by is far outside of the definition of "occasional sales, exchanges........blah blah", and without a doubt falls within the definition of  "engaged in the business" of buying and selling firearms.

A key provision in the law is that the person who you sell to must be a resident of your state. This tells me that it is the responsibility of the seller to verify in some way that the buyer is a resident of your state. The easiest way to verify that the buyer is a resident of your state is to look at their drivers license.

So, what they are saying is that you shouldn't sell guns to brown people who are wearing cowboy clothes. So I can legally profile if I am going to sell a gun. Papers, please. Got it.

It seems to me that the state is complicit for issuing a drivers license to an illegal.

Not sure if this has been posted yet.....



Gun dealer sentenced to 6-months for selling weapons to a undocumented immigrant.
Newsroom
8/31/2010


One of the gun dealers of Austin's Gun Show is sentenced to 6-months at a federal work camp for selling a weapon to an undocumented immigrant. Independent firearms dealer-Paul Copeland says for years he has commonly sold handguns and antique weapons with no problems and prior to his arrest the illegal immigrant showed him what appeared to be a valid Texas driver’s license. In January 2009, the ATF along with the Austin police department set up a sting operation targeting independent firearms dealers that were selling weapons to illegal immigrants, both inside the show and outside the Austin’s Gun Show’s parking lot. Shortly after the series of arrests, the regularly scheduled weapons-event was asked to move from the North Austin location. Investigators with the Austin police department believed many of the guns sold to the undocumented immigrants at the show were headed back across the Texas-Mexico border. “I guess you need ask them <Latinos> for their documentation too; if the police aren’t going to profile why should the common citizen have to” says Copeland. He says none of the undocumented immigrants that were asked to testify against him were arrested by federal agents. Austin's Federal Judge Sam Sparks sentenced Copeland to spend the next 6-months at a federal work camp followed by 2-years of probation.

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=1272077

He needs to be punked like the Acevedo from The Shield

Jebus.

Attorney Paul Velte founder of "Peaceable Texans For Firearms Rights" was interviewed by Alex Jones.
Mr. Velte describes the bigger picture of how and why we will see more staged stings like this one.

I realize that Alex Jones is dismissed by many here, but the interview and Velte's responses are very interesting.

It's 25 minutes long just so you know.  

Here's the link.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-final-assault-on-2nd-amendment-rights-is-in-full-swing.html

Ok, so after reading through more postings, let me see if I can summarize a bit:

The guy who got popped was not just ANY guy walking around the show trying to sell an unwanted, un-needed, or surplus gun from his collection.  He was a guy who had repeatedly, for years, bought and set up a table at the show with guns for sale and would always comment on "no paperwork" as being a good reason to buy from him.  He sold to "questionable" individuals, and this brought him to the attention of other people at the show and eventually to the BATFE.  BATFE sets up a sting and then busts him.

If that's how it really went down, then my BIGGEST issue is that the subject used in the sting should have been more obviously not a US Citizen, as in NO DL at all.

The End does NOT justify the means.

What has been lost in discussion here is the fact that the illegal he sold it to, committed three felony offenses.
He bought the handgun, took posession, and then later knowingly sold it to ANOTHER illegal alien.
He has never been charged, detained or for that matter, deported as an illegal.

Sounds like they found 12 liberal government whoreshippers to suck governments dick.

They don't have the ability to think for themselves... They just do what the government tells them to do.

"Keep your heads down and be scared to sell your weapons" is the lesson they want you to learn with this case.

Illegal aliens are being used as a catalyst to take our rights.

The Fed will even take diametrically opposing positions involving illegals and Mexico if it means they can take something from you and I.

The aim is always the same in any matter the Fed undertakes as of late, and that is to curtail our rights or at least try and stifle them.

Even when there is no law being broken, you can and will be charged just to send a message to the rest of the slaves to get in line and STFU.

It is an obvious concerted effort. What that says about the state of our affairs in this country I'm not sure I want to even think on for too long.

Now that's an interesting point....................for it's exactly the reason why I refused to watch "Law & Order" early on in its showing.

And that show has been running how long? With how many spin offs? On how many net works?.................................being watched by how much of the country?
_________________________________________________________
("Ponder this on the tree of Woe, boy........................CRUCIFY HIM!"––the enemy, (w,stte), "Conan")

So it was a Federal court.

And the Fed jury bought the argument that, regardless of driver's license, cowboy boots and latino features = reasonable suspicion that someone is an illegal?  In Texas?    They do realize that most Texans are hispanic, right?

Appeal.  Appeal.  Appeal.

Fuck you.

I'm not rolling over and enforcing illegal laws for anyone.

Thanks for lumping me in with the spineless....

Just because those of you in the Republik of Kalifornia keep electing douchebags who will cheerfully give your state and our country away to anyone with a sob story of oppression, doesnt mean the rest of the country will. Especially my state.

So fuck you and your broad sweeping generalizations...go pick up some more "fabulous curtains" to match your "fabulous purse" with your "fabulous" boyfriend.

(Gee, generalizations are fun!!)

Nick

Minnesota residents:

You'd better not sell any firearms to white, English speakers with a Minnesota drivers' license.  Any reasonable person will tell you they're probably an illegal Canadian.

Gotcha,
I see how that could be considered  engaged in the business. I never had any of them hawking guns at me with the no paper work angle. I can see where that would be frowned on.

actual link?

There cracking down on FTF deals expect more stings in the near future..

Prison Factories
here you go

And for lying to a Federal Investigator. Both of which are Federal felonies.
ONE MORE TIME:
Why I will never talk to the police.
 

The Fed sues Az over SB1070 because it may lead to racial profiling.

A gun seller does not engage in racial profiling, and get throw in prision by the Fed.   This is madness.

One word..........AUSTIN

In Nov. of '08 I saw it coming. WQe're building a mosque on Ground Zero for God's sake ! A fucking Mosque praising Allah, terrorist propagating building right next to where more than 3,000 innocent Americans gave their lives at the hands of the same people building it ! If this can hapen, anything can as far as I'm concerned.

Are you FN kidding me. He should have know they were illegal because they were 1 hispanic, 2 spoke spanish, 3 wore cowboy clothing? WTF! Can you imagine if he didn't sell to them because of that and they were legal??? It's funny how the race card works for these fucks any way they want.

If this was the case, the law would require you to verify State DL. It does not.

QFT



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these 12 on the jury have got shit for brains

And for an encore.

You win.  That has been the ATF's agenda all along.  Preventing or at least discouraging all FTF purchases.  They want universal registration, more power in their hands, and  bigger bigger budgets.

The part in bold is a classic straw-purchase setup.

https://www.tsra.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=256:casualty-of-the-austin-gun-show-chaos&catid=55:tripp-talk&Itemid=113

Casualty of the Austin Gun Show Chaos

Written by Alice Tripp Saturday, 24 July 2010 14:50

Last January 2010 the internet went viral with rumors centered around a gun show held in Austin, Texas.   TSRA was on top of the situation within two hours and reported to members that the gun show promoter, Darwin Boedeker, had met with BATF agents, Austin PD from the nuisance unit, and building owners and had agreed to not allow private sales at this gun show.

TSRA was forwarded the email notice Mr. Boedeker put out to his vendors after that meeting.  Charles Cotton, TSRA's executive director and I spoke with Mr. Boedeker on speaker phone.   The call was on Friday before the Saturday/Sunday gun show.  There would be no private sales without a background check as per Mr. Boekeker's agreement.  

On Saturday Gun Show attendees were met at the door with a handbill giving the same information, anyone without an FFL wanting to sell or trade a firearm must do so through an FFL.  Vendors and attendees were angry, as you can imagine.

C.B. Copeland usually had a table at this show, he did not have an FFL and only bought and sold a few handguns from his collection and other gun-related stuff.   Mr. Copeland admits he knew this gun show was under close scrutiny.

On Saturday three young Hispanic men came by Mr. Copeland's table and asked about a handgun.  One wanted to make a purchase and Mr. Copeland asked him if he had identification.  The intended purchaser did not, although one in the group produced a Texas driver's license.  The three moved on.

Three times the three young man came by the table and on the third pass, the young man with the driver's license, produced the cash, and bought the handgun.   Evidently the gun was passed off, almost immediately, inside or outside the building, to another of the three.  This man, not only had no identification, he was an illegal alien.    

The three were arrested and officers came to Mr. Copeland's table and confiscated his firearm.  I received a text message and then a cell phone call from a TSRA member standing at the table as it happened.

Mr. Copeland was not "taken away", only the firearms on his table for sale.   When we talked with him on the phone and asked him why he broke the "rules" of the show, he said, "By golly, it's my constitutional right."

Since January we heard from Mr. Copeland once, complaining he couldn't get BATF to release his merchandise.

Last week we heard from him again.   C.B. Copeland will be sentenced next week likely to a term in a federal prison.  He tells us it wasn't because he was selling without an FFL, that wasn't mentioned during the trial.  He says he was convicted by a "jury of his peers", his words, for knowingly participating in a straw-purchase; that is, knowingly selling to a person not illegible under state and federal law to purchase or possess a firearm.  

Mr. Copeland had legal counsel and did not complain about the quality of his representation.  He was shocked the jury didn't believe that he sold the gun to the person with the driver's license and didn't know the gun would be handed off to the illegal.

He expects to appeal his conviction.

As for the Austin gun show, Darwin Boedeker lost the use of the Sam's Club building he was renting but before the next scheduled gun show had found and rented an old Target building and never missed a show.  The gun show went back to "business as usual" with no special requirements on sellers.

“had reasonable cause to believe” he was selling to an illegal alien because the two men and a boy who were present at his table at the time of the sale: 1) were Hispanic, 2) spoke Spanish, and 3) wore cowboy clothing.

Really?

Aloha, Mark

How can it be a straw purchase if the seller isn't an FFL?