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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:40:00 PM EDT
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Never liked the xd anyway. Something about made in Croatia turns me off. Despite the fact made in Austria doesn't bother me
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:40:49 PM EDT
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I'm ashamed to admit I have an XD-S in the safe. Who dares me to cut it up? Dremel needs a workout 
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:45:42 PM EDT
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That was little more than a stab in the back to gun owners by two gun companies in IL. I hope the betrayal costs them dearly the scumbags. I personally don't own any of their products and don't live in IL but we can't reward betrayal.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:46:42 PM EDT
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So.
Do we have a list called "companies that fucked us all over and that's why we should never buy from them"? Cause if so then post that link. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:48:14 PM EDT
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Yeah, I caught that right after posted.. 
Per your edit. I don't know but this ain't a good thing for him. He really does come from a VERY long line of family that's been as pro gun as is possible. He's also Macomb City PD & was on the west central IL multi county drug task force. He's got a good record, good genetics & pedigree. I don't know what went wrong. I can only hope it was some kind of mistake on his part, he's really not normally an idiot, he really isn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your friend is conspicuously absent from this list: Opponents of SB1657 He also claims to speak for all past, present, and future customers of his training facility. Do they really have no position on an anti-gun bill? As and side, Jay Kellar has hilariously added himself and his organiation back to the 'opponent' list. 
Per your edit. I don't know but this ain't a good thing for him. He really does come from a VERY long line of family that's been as pro gun as is possible. He's also Macomb City PD & was on the west central IL multi county drug task force. He's got a good record, good genetics & pedigree. I don't know what went wrong. I can only hope it was some kind of mistake on his part, he's really not normally an idiot, he really isn't. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:48:25 PM EDT
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I'm ashamed to admit I have an XD-S in the safe. Who dares me to cut it up? Dremel needs a workout 
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:48:39 PM EDT
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So. Do we have a list called "companies that fucked us all over and that's why we should never buy from them"? Cause if so then post that link. Edit: Dicks sporting goods pulled AR stuff after sandyhook screw them. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:49:26 PM EDT
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Did your friend sign the wrong link?? His FB page has a link to a forum thread *critical* of SA and RRA. If so, tell him to go unf**k his error ASAP!! http://a63.tinypic.com/6f70ib.jpg 
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:51:08 PM EDT
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You want opponents of 1657 SFA1 and he is there along with the Neutral entry. Depending on how the slip is filled out, it isnt always possible to change from what I have read and it can not be deleted. http://my.ilga.gov/Hearing/WitnessSlipInfo?hearingId=14794&legislationdocumentid=135332&printerfriendly=True Your list is the early version that shows Kellers position (opposed) before the big box manufacturer carveout amendment deal was made |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:52:01 PM EDT
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It will also restrict all others in Illinois to nine firearm transfers per year. Holy hell, I would have been tapped out by early February. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:56:58 PM EDT
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I'm ashamed to admit I have an XD-S in the safe. Who dares me to cut it up? Dremel needs a workout |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:01:30 PM EDT
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Looked at his Facebook page just now, he sure did fuck up doing the witness slip..
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/290930/image-198222.JPG |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:03:50 PM EDT
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Dear Springfield Armory and Rock River....
With all due respect.... 
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:21:09 PM EDT
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Just file it away in your safe. The next time the Dems get in the big office they are going to go full retard. Every gun you own is an asset. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm ashamed to admit I have an XD-S in the safe. Who dares me to cut it up? Dremel needs a workout |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:21:37 PM EDT
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I made a bad decision keeping my old SA loaded should have sold last week
SACS comes back online as a joke and now this... |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:30:00 PM EDT
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And although discussed with the ILGA, the ability to delete a slip submitted in error has not been implemented. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looked at his Facebook page just now, he sure did fuck up doing the witness slip..
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/290930/image-198222.JPG
Edit; So how the hell did this Keller bozo change his? Inside help? |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:35:34 PM EDT
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I know. It shoots so damn well for a little .45. Thanks for giving me an out. Might change my mind a few beers later though. I hate gun companies that fuck us over to stay in business. BTW did Magpul ever move out of Colorado or not? Can't remember. 
Colorado gun law backfires; Wyoming loads up with Magpul deal |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:46:38 PM EDT
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Well, I was seriously thinking about a Springfield XD-E (new hammer fired DA/SA 9mm).
No more now. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:50:12 PM EDT
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Well, I was seriously thinking about a Springfield XD-E (new hammer fired DA/SA 9mm). No more now. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 8:54:42 PM EDT
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People in states like Illinois will immediately move to the south, because of BS like this. Then try to elect those same kind of politicians here. But that's the way we did it back home. Freedom in the south is so backwards.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:11:22 PM EDT
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Well ain't that about the bumbest thing you've ever seen.. I guess you have to consider the source...
Edit; So how the hell did this Keller bozo change his? Inside help? Filed an opposition slip to original bill SB1657 hearing. The amendment/carve out was a different later hearing and for SB1657 SFA1. He filed a neutral slip for that one. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:22:48 PM EDT
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People in states like Illinois will immediately move to the south, because of BS like this. Then try to elect those same kind of politicians here. But that's the way we did it back home. Freedom in the south is so backwards. Now if your argument was for people leaving the state because of high taxes or cost of living then destroying the new state you would be closer to a cogent theory. Much of the trash that floats across the Potomac and does it's best to turn VA blue is an example of that. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:24:05 PM EDT
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People in states like Illinois will immediately move to the south, because of BS like this. Then try to elect those same kind of politicians here. But that's the way we did it back home. Freedom in the south is so backwards. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:25:43 PM EDT
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The kind of people to move from a state for gun rights and because they are opposed to the nanny state aren't the kind to vote for big intrusive liberal government. In the decade since I left California I have never voted in favor of any democrat or government expansion. Actually I have never voted for a democrat or government expansion since becoming old enough to vote. My first state election was for the govenator in the special election to replace Gray Davis a democrat who before his Enron scandal which saw him kicked out of office was one of the favored candidates to potentially run for president. My first presidential election I voted for GWB. It's as stupid and false to say everyone leaving a state with crappy government seeks to impose it in their new home as when a smug northern lib calls all southerners inbred cousin fuckers. Now if your argument was for people leaving the state because of high taxes or cost of living then destroying the new state you would be closer to a cogent theory. Much of the trash that floats across the Potomac and does it's best to turn VA blue is an example of that. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:29:09 PM EDT
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Hahaha wth do you know about how we vote. Thanks for the support |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:40:42 PM EDT
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Bump
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:47:30 PM EDT
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Could have chosen my words more carefully. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:50:31 PM EDT
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Once again, could have chosen my words more carefully. My youngest brother and his wife live in some small town near Peoria. I went there on a little 2 engine plane. I asked about all their crappy gun laws and he told me that there are a lot of conservative people here, but we are dominated by Chicago. Apologies. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:51:47 PM EDT
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I'm ashamed to admit I have an XD-S in the safe. Who dares me to cut it up? Dremel needs a workout I also have a Springfield M1 from 1953, not getting rid of that either. BUT, I'm not buying anything from either one from here on out. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 9:56:58 PM EDT
[#30]
 Do it! Do it! Do it! |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:04:15 PM EDT
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My first gun was a 10-22, my second a RRA AR (the LE from this site back in 2001, which is now an SBR), and my third a Springfield 1911. I have two more RRAs, with two more planned to purchase. I planned to purchase another 1911 and a M1A.
To say I'm pissed off is an understatement. There is no reason to sell out gun owners or gun dealers. Springfield's statement is clearly a CYA. There is no reason (yes even because of "lawyers) to not say "We 100% oppose this bill", regardless of whether they originally did. But the fact they didn't tells you they support it because it doesn't affect them. There is no RRA statement, and hopefully based on the post up above, they didn't realize what they were doing. Regardless, until a statement is issued from SA and RRA explaining their 100% opposition, they are dead to me and I will never buy anything from them again. Let them going down as the next S&W. Glad to see we gun owners stick together. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:10:03 PM EDT
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Different witness slip committee hearings. Filed an opposition slip to original bill SB1657 hearing. The amendment/carve out was a different later hearing and for SB1657 SFA1. He filed a neutral slip for that one. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:10:47 PM EDT
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I guess RRA's CEO must be having a time at the convention if he still hasn't made a public comment.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:16:16 PM EDT
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One thing that hasnt been mentioned is the time they allowed for witness slip filing was only a couple of hours...unusual and probably meant to ramrod this through under the radar
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:40:12 PM EDT
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Looks like Springfield's PR staff is going to wear out their backspace key this weekend.
Can someone screen shot this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory,_Inc. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:42:50 PM EDT
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The statement said nothing really and if there's fuckery going on behind the scenes, their lawyers would be advising them to say nothing till recourse is established. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The statement given by the SA president says it all. There was no denial. If it was done without their approval, they would be shouting it from the rooftops. This is the equivilent of calling me a pedophile. If you publicly proclaim me to be a pedophile and advertise that in a way that has a measurable affect on my ability to make a living, I'm making loud, frequent and public denials and I'm publicly announcing the lawsuit with my attorney by my side. If my attorney doesnt want me defending myself against public slander and liable, I'm getting a new attorney because that one doesnt have my best interests in mind. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:50:37 PM EDT
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sigh...
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:55:01 PM EDT
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Looks like Springfield's PR staff is going to wear out their backspace key this weekend.
Can someone screen shot this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory,_Inc.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:03:00 PM EDT
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For those who have not seen this yet. Warning strong language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsoj4kL0jQQ |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:09:57 PM EDT
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So, do I have this right?
Springfield and RRA both donated money to this group 3 years ago, and then recently this group conceded to anti-gun legislation. Is that correct? |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:19:03 PM EDT
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I have an XD9 sc and I love it! I put a drop in trigger and springs, and a few other goodies from Powder River. I bought this in '09, I'm NOT destroying it or selling it! I also have a Springfield M1 from 1953, not getting rid of that either. BUT, I'm not buying anything from either one from here on out. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:19:57 PM EDT
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He'll hath no fury like a gun owner scorned.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:25:06 PM EDT
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So, do I have this right? Springfield and RRA both donated money to this group 3 years ago, and then recently this group conceded to anti-gun legislation. Is that correct? |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:26:38 PM EDT
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So, do I have this right? Springfield and RRA both donated money to this group 3 years ago, and then recently this group conceded to anti-gun legislation. Is that correct? Where there is smoke... there is fire... |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:29:52 PM EDT
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Not correct but, I see why you might think that. This lobbyist is currently representing the "manufacturers" and the only contributors are RRA and Springfield. I'm just trying to make sure I am not overreacting. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:32:59 PM EDT
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Don't own nor will own products from either company.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:36:24 PM EDT
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Could you elaborate and tell me what part is factually untrue? I'm just trying to make sure I am not overreacting. Jay Keller is well known in Springfield as representing the gun manufacturers. He is pretty much at the table whenever there is a gun related bill being debated in committee. He speaks for the manufactures in Springfield. If I missed something, feel free to ask again. 
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:42:57 PM EDT
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Anyone at NRA GatherIng been by the booth to talk to the people @ Springfield Armory or the Rock River Arms boiths? It's right about at the 5:19 mark: https://www.facebook.com/Mrgunsngear/videos/1226316390814758/ |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:58:48 PM EDT
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If you think that after the initial startup funding the organization paid and that was the end of the relationship, that is incorrect. Jay Keller is well known in Springfield as representing the gun manufacturers. He is pretty much at the table whenever there is a gun related bill being debated in committee. He speaks for the manufactures in Springfield. If I missed something, feel free to ask again. Let me ask a more poignant question: Is this whole thing taken way out of context, or does Springfield have egg on their face here? (as well as RRA) |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:01:49 AM EDT
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So I'm tired AF, so I apologize if I'm not keeping pace. Let me ask a more poignant question: Is this whole thing taken way out of context, or does Springfield have egg on their face here? (as well as RRA) |
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