Snips why do you side with folks that want to rip freedom from the very people that support this country?

This regulation was shot down thank God and good people. Why would you support the ones who pushed this.




Or this.

Yeager is a blowhard, and Bundy handled things differently than I would have, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so to speak.

You're projecting happiness into that line because that's what you believe, not because it's there.

Has it?  I'm not free to speed, yet I have.

I support the US government as an entity.  A legal construction.  Don't confuse that with support for any specific acts of that entity.

It's nice to have Snips to irrationally balance out the opposite side of the equation...

You haven't been paying attention to the economic condx of the US, have you Snips?

Please continue with the 'structured' rationalization and demonizing...

---------Just so many can recognize it for what it is...

I have no idea why you guys keep wasting time with Snips.

The dude is so far up Obama's ass its pathetic.

Tightening the noose, one pull at a time...  

Only if you changed what you charged him and then said he could no longer use the drivewway or walk in the yard or turn on the AC.

Maybe because they're too dumb to see what he's doing and/or love to bloviate....

He's likely here to brainwash us ---to denigrate what happened...

Wait til you see the propaganda get cranked up in the MSM.  

There will always be folks who act for the ruling entity, and are duly rewarded somehow.

Or sometimes they just have to 'believe'...


It makes no sense to argue or respond with/to some folks, when the IGNORE button can save so much time...

As well as allow redirection of resources ---to more productive objectives.

Just point out what they are trying to do, and move on.

Sounds like my point went over your head.

Young farm kids should be limited in what dangerous farming-related tasks they can do
I thought that when many of those regs were first  proposed the fine print wasn't read and actually work done on the kids own farm was not as restricted as  work done outside the family farm..
Spilled milk in large quantities can do a lot of damage. I recall  instances where the milk killed fish in streams, for instance. Seems to be reasonable to expect some kind of advance planning to prevent that damage from occurring..
Any better examples you can post than that?

That is a good point...

However, the rules will likely be carried way too far...


Camel's nose under the tent and all that...

Personally, I find the Freudian slip the most telling.   He could have said "some people", "these people",  "folks", or just about any label...  But he said that we can't have "an American people" ignore the law.   Stop and think about the hubris that implies... Like he's one of the gatekeepers who deigns let us exercise our freedoms.   Fuck that man.   With a bag of hammers.

I don't have an opinion on the farm children issue, but I do have to ask.  Is that any different than any other family-run business?  If you ran an iron-smelting plant, to use an extreme example, should you be able to force your children to work in it?  Or are there certain jobs which children should be prohibited from working, for their own safety.

Edit: Granny grew up on a farm.  Plucked chickens, gathered eggs, milked cows, working before and after school, that whole mess.  Obviously non all farm jobs are dangerous.

Large amounts of milk  being spilled into waterways is extremely rare. There are bigger fish to fry.

Fed rules would hamper family farms as far as farm kids goes. first slippery slope for more regs fines etc. Kid pulls hay wagon on Dad's ranch OK no problem. Kid pulls hay wagon on Uncles farm on other side of fence big problem broke rules.

Would that Uncle scenario be a problem under the proposed legislation or is it already a problem?

Do you really think the number willing to enforce tyranny outnumber the number willing to protest it? I don't think so. I think a lot of those enforcers were duped this time. I think a lot of them will be asking more questions before they are made to look like jackasses and JBT's again. I think a lot more people would show up if needed. And you don't always need superior numbers to get your point heard. Look at the civil rights movement. Blacks were what 5-8% of the population in the US?

There are a LOT more rural landowners than faggots in this country. Usually they are too busy working and paying taxes to get all worked up over what they see as the business of someone else. But what you saw at the Bundy Ranch was people seeing that it is becoming an issue big enough for common concern. It takes a great fool to get the rural landowner demographic worked up. I can only think of a few times in our history it has happened. Once was the Revolution, the other was the civil war. Feds were smart for going home. They'd be even smarter to unfuck themselves permanently and implement changes to the land management bureaucracies that stop this ever growing land grab and railroading of rural landowners. If the Executive can't figure it out, Congress needs to make some changes. We've already established the root of the problem is laws that are too lenient and negate the entire system of governmental checks and balances regarding land use.

I think there are parents who are in fact crappy parents. Not all parents will do the right thing. So yes, I believe there have to be some regs in place that say young children should not be doing certain hazardous tasks..and as I already posted, my recollection is that when those regs were considered, it wasn't for work done on the youths family farm, but for outside employment that happened to be farm work. In that case they're an employee and should be considered eligible for the same workplace safety regs that everyone else has

So are releases from those pits of liquid manure. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be rules in place to prevent it from endangering the area when it does happen

Working off memory. I say it was shown to be a problem in the proposed regs.

There are hazards working the family business though.

Thanks.

And yeah, don't break into someone's account.  

Wow, and you trust our govt to regulate that? Where do you stop? Since we have crappy parents, should govt be in charge of what kids eat? What time they go to bed, what they play with etc.? I'll take my chances that parents who farm for a living are making better decisions for their kids than 90% of the population, and without question better than govt would.

IIRC there are rules for that in place and they have been for quite some time. There were some concerns about contamination by the enviro groups during flood conditions that have been put aside for now.

The newer regs proposed are being pushed by those huge corporate operations and their folks on K street.

We were talking milk now we are talking sh*t.

If you look at all the pictures posted throughout the thread, you will see that he is not pointing at the federal agents under the overpass, he is pointing at the JBT snipers that are positioned on the right side of the overpass, pointing back at him.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

Thanks for the "pass" on this one.  BTW, Who elected you grand general of the constitutional army of freedom?  There is enough stupid shit happening in my own back yard these days that I don't need to travel 2980 miles to find trouble and douchbaggetry by .gov JBT's.   Think global/Act Local. Save $$$$ for ammo, training, and food.
Wars are fought and won on economics don't cha know?
Pro Tip: Make it more expensive for the other guy....and they quit and go home.

Beekeppers position is that parents will automatically do the right thing
My reply is that that's not always the case
In those cases yes I believe that gov't has a role in addressing the problem.
Besides, the farming issue isn't about working on the family farm, its about kids working off the family farm.
So to say that it has anything to do with parents knowing to do whats right for kids is inaccurate

Anyone think it's ironic that the BLM showed up wearing brownshirts?

D’SOUZA LIVE FROM THE BUNDY RANCH TONIGHT ON “THE KELLY FILE”


http://www.dineshdsouza.com/archives/news/dsouza-live-bundy-ranch-tonight-kelly-file/


"D’Souza’s upcoming film, America, also deals with the effects of an out of control progressive administration. Unless the progressives’ anti-American arguments are met forcibly and on their own terms, America will cease to be the beacon of freedom and hope that it always has been."

He's trying to be clever by comparing BLM to the Nazis.

Thank you Commandant Yeager for the "warning order" and "100% pass" (this time).

I'll be sure to inform my fellow Nevadans of your directives.

Dana Loesch is on now and is NAILING it.
I would suggest that the JBT lovers & "too long didn't read" crowd tune in now or catch the replay @ 8pm.

http://buzzpo.com/harry-reid-reveals-government-assembling-federal-task-force-bundy/

Harry Reid Reveals the Government is Assembling a Federal Task Force for Bundy

Again with the quacking.

Do you disagree with what I said or do you just want to keep being petty?

Correct. Better run off and submit my IP and user info to your boss.

I agree with TheBeekeeper, having grown up on a small farm and worked on the neighbors growing up, I had the common sense to keep my hands out of moving parts, pinch points and PTO of the tractor. My parents gave me the best they had to offer and I'm a better person for those experiences.

I'm a conservative that believes in small government, the US Constitution, The Bill of Rights and the Virginia State Constitution. Defiantly not a fan of Barry from Hawaii with his I know better than you do attitude.

Today, is my first time to put someone on "Ignore" and it was not even Snips.
tcc556 or whatever,he does not have a clue.

 

Rural parents anyway.  I think you hit upon the real issue with farm vs. urban parenting; and with the increasing urbanization of America, the problem is likely to grow worse over time.  
Here are a few things farm kids learn growing up and working on the farm or ranch -

Strong work ethic - Feeding, upkeep, and maintenance are a daily part of farm life.  Animals have to be taken care of by someone every day.  You learn to become someone who can "get it done".  

Reliability - Things break, wear out, or die if you can't be relied upon to take care of them.  You learn to become someone people can rely on.  

Sacrifice - It isn't always easy working on a farm, the work has to get done.  Harvest isn't over by the 4th of July, momma cows having calves in the middle of a blizzard, you're wore out from harvesting or calving and yet the feeding, cooking, and cleaning all still have to be done.  You learn to push through hardship instead of giving up because it's "too hard".  You learn to be responsible for things under your care and protection.  

Self-sufficiency - Sometimes there no one else to help, they're busy with other things.  You learn to think outside the box, you learn to plan for success, you learn confidence in your abilities.  

Teamwork - Sometimes those "other things" people are busy doing are part of a greater whole (like during harvest).  Doing your part keeps everything flowing.  

Self-Esteem - Other kids may have to look for validation from others to feel good about themselves.  You merely have to look upon the fruits of your labor to see that you have value.  


Most kids growing up in an urban environment have very limited exposure or opportunity to experience these things on a daily basis...and that's really a shame.  It's been the core reason for America's success.  
When these kids become adults and enter the workforce, there aren't as many "tools in their toolbox" to deal with work in general and life in particular.    
They are self-centered, lazy, defeatist in adversity, unreliable, and always looking for the easy way out...or someone to do if for them.  Is it any wonder the FSA grows year by year, generation by generation.  

And therein lies the problem.  Urbanites look upon the farm community with incredulity and shock.  They don't understand, because they have no frame of reference from which they can possibly understand.  
Pray that "FO Time" is a long, long way off.  Pray that it never comes at all.  
Because on that day, when the lights go out and the infrastructure grinds to a halt; they will look at one another in their in their concrete jungle and they will understand...that it is too late for them.  

It took you this long for that guy to make your list?  

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