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Posted: 4/21/2015 10:57:16 AM EDT
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Bet it happens in the next 5 years. Will be a sad day for the Navy, and the nation when it happens. Then again, that idiot Carter just had a sub named after him. USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet it chaps the halfrican's ass that we have a ship named after Churchill It will chap my ass when one gets named after the halfrican. Hopefully I've passed from the scene by then. Bet it happens in the next 5 years. Will be a sad day for the Navy, and the nation when it happens. Then again, that idiot Carter just had a sub named after him. USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) As much as I despise the peanut-farming, America-hating, anti-Semitic, terrorist-coddling motherfucker, at least he actually served honorably aboard submarines... I'd actually be less surprised if they set aside a room on each ship for sensitivity training and mandatory lectures on social and economic justice, and called them Obama Rooms.... 
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Posted: 4/21/2015 10:57:53 AM EDT
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When Congress went apeshit over the KC-X competition the Navy followed by "getting both." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did I miss a memo somewhere?   Yes. 2 classes of LCS. LCS-1, which is the conventional looking corvette and LCS-2 which is the trimaran. Odd numbers are LCS-1 class. Even numbers LCS-2 class. Oh, good grief.seriously?
Any particular reason for this bizarre arrangement? Thanks for letting me know, though. That conventional hull version was completely new to me... When Congress went apeshit over the KC-X competition the Navy followed by "getting both." Ugh.... 
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:03:54 AM EDT
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Did I miss a memo somewhere? Yes. 2 classes of LCS. LCS-1, which is the conventional looking corvette and LCS-2 which is the trimaran. Odd numbers are LCS-1 class. Even numbers LCS-2 class. Oh, good grief.seriously?
Any particular reason for this bizarre arrangement? Thanks for letting me know, though. That conventional hull version was completely new to me... When Congress went apeshit over the KC-X competition the Navy followed by "getting both." Ugh.... The "don't sue us" approach |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:14:15 AM EDT
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Are those F-14's and Intruders in the first pic????? Now we just need a hurricane! |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:15:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. I meant exactly what I said. http://news.usni.org/2015/03/05/peo-lcs-begins-at-sea-testing-of-modified-longbow-hellfire-missile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you're implying Apache helos on the deck of the ships, not a bad idea. During Operation Earnest Will, the Army operated Kiowas and Little Bird attack helos off various ships, including frigates. They were very successful. Nope. I meant exactly what I said. http://news.usni.org/2015/03/05/peo-lcs-begins-at-sea-testing-of-modified-longbow-hellfire-missile  |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:18:36 AM EDT
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That looks like a cool system, but I'll bet that individually targeting a bunch of fast maneuvering small boats is tougher than it sounds.
My idea is combing modernized versions of this: 
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:20:20 AM EDT
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My idea is combing modernized versions of this: http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/systems/asw/hedgehog-3.jpg + this: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBxncge0mePduzecT6xtCDe3hy-j6W-dOTMF9TCGujaFhM3JxQIg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That looks like a cool system, but I'll bet that individually targeting a bunch of fast maneuvering small boats is tougher than it sounds.
My idea is combing modernized versions of this: http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/systems/asw/hedgehog-3.jpg + this: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBxncge0mePduzecT6xtCDe3hy-j6W-dOTMF9TCGujaFhM3JxQIg You wouldn't be the first to have that idea. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:22:20 AM EDT
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Looks like the libbies want to tighten up the Iranian navy......
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/21/state-department-wont-rule-out-50b-signing-bonus-for-iran/ |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:24:42 AM EDT
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Is it just me, or are those Arleigh-Burke destroyers sexy as hell! They are! 
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:26:25 AM EDT
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My idea is combing modernized versions of this: http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/systems/asw/hedgehog-3.jpg + this: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBxncge0mePduzecT6xtCDe3hy-j6W-dOTMF9TCGujaFhM3JxQIg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That looks like a cool system, but I'll bet that individually targeting a bunch of fast maneuvering small boats is tougher than it sounds.
My idea is combing modernized versions of this: http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/systems/asw/hedgehog-3.jpg + this: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBxncge0mePduzecT6xtCDe3hy-j6W-dOTMF9TCGujaFhM3JxQIg Hedgehog? |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:31:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My idea is combing modernized versions of this: http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/systems/asw/hedgehog-3.jpg + this: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBxncge0mePduzecT6xtCDe3hy-j6W-dOTMF9TCGujaFhM3JxQIg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That looks like a cool system, but I'll bet that individually targeting a bunch of fast maneuvering small boats is tougher than it sounds. My idea is combing modernized versions of this: http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/systems/asw/hedgehog-3.jpg + this: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBxncge0mePduzecT6xtCDe3hy-j6W-dOTMF9TCGujaFhM3JxQIg |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:32:42 AM EDT
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When Congress went apeshit over the KC-X competition the Navy followed by "getting both." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did I miss a memo somewhere? Yes. 2 classes of LCS. LCS-1, which is the conventional looking corvette and LCS-2 which is the trimaran. Odd numbers are LCS-1 class. Even numbers LCS-2 class. Oh, good grief.seriously?
Any particular reason for this bizarre arrangement? Thanks for letting me know, though. That conventional hull version was completely new to me... When Congress went apeshit over the KC-X competition the Navy followed by "getting both." It also creates a lot more paperwork, BS, and problems, thus helping to justify PEO LCS' existance as a PEO (and the flag billet with it). |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:33:45 AM EDT
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Given the Virginia class has better littoral capabilities I would hope they are Virginias. A kilo in that neck of the woods would be a legit concern. Shallow and noisie. There are spots in the Gulf where an ssn is longer than the water is deep. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm wondering what type of/how many subs would accompany a task force of that size? Based off similar deployments, my guess is one, two at most. Unless they plan on getting dicey, that is. Regarding types, your guess is as good as any, but odds are it's a Virginia. What are these "littoral capabilities" that you speak of? |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:34:12 AM EDT
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<snip> Hedgehog? It was used frequently during WWII and Korea IIRC. Not sure how effective they would be today against modern SSNs. But using that type of deployment system along with the BLU 108 would be awesome to see against those little speed boats. 
For an example of what they can do against armor, check this out You can FFWD to 1:15 
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:37:45 AM EDT
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It was used frequently during WWII and Korea IIRC. Not sure how effective they would be today against modern SSNs. But using that type of deployment system along with the BLU 108 would be awesome to see against those little speed boats.
For an example of what they can do against armor, check this out You can FFWD to 1:15  http://youtu.be/1URyNpiy4xAQuote HistoryQuoted:
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<snip> Hedgehog? It was used frequently during WWII and Korea IIRC. Not sure how effective they would be today against modern SSNs. But using that type of deployment system along with the BLU 108 would be awesome to see against those little speed boats.
For an example of what they can do against armor, check this out You can FFWD to 1:15 http://youtu.be/1URyNpiy4xALess awesome than you think... |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:42:11 AM EDT
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Less awesome than you think... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<snip> Hedgehog? It was used frequently during WWII and Korea IIRC. Not sure how effective they would be today against modern SSNs. But using that type of deployment system along with the BLU 108 would be awesome to see against those little speed boats.
For an example of what they can do against armor, check this out You can FFWD to 1:15 http://youtu.be/1URyNpiy4xALess awesome than you think... Are you claiming that a manufacturer's promotional video would lie to us? 
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:42:56 AM EDT
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Based off similar deployments, my guess is one, two at most. Unless they plan on getting dicey, that is. Regarding types, your guess is as good as any, but odds are it's a Virginia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm wondering what type of/how many subs would accompany a task force of that size? Based off similar deployments, my guess is one, two at most. Unless they plan on getting dicey, that is. Regarding types, your guess is as good as any, but odds are it's a Virginia. If you're going to guess, go with LAs. There are significantly more of them in service than VAs. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:48:24 AM EDT
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Are you claiming that a manufacturer's promotional video would lie to us? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<snip> Hedgehog? It was used frequently during WWII and Korea IIRC. Not sure how effective they would be today against modern SSNs. But using that type of deployment system along with the BLU 108 would be awesome to see against those little speed boats.
For an example of what they can do against armor, check this out You can FFWD to 1:15 http://youtu.be/1URyNpiy4xALess awesome than you think... Are you claiming that a manufacturer's promotional video would lie to us? TBH, I have no first-hand experience with the system, so I don't know shit. That having been said, the video was supposed to be a re-enactment of an actual event during '03 in Iraq. I would hope it wasn't too embellished given there are, presumably, participants who could validate it as either accurate or BS. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:49:12 AM EDT
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USS Theodore Roosevelt - Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier I had never noticed the Nimitz class doesn't have the catapult extensions you see on the Enterprise and Forrestal class. What was the technical reason for their existence and subsequent elimination? .jpg)
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:49:22 AM EDT
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Less awesome than you think... I know BLU-108 isn't exactly the "game changa" that it was trumpeted as... but it's also basically 3-decade old tech. We should be able to do better. Even fast little speedboats aren't too much faster than ground vehicles, and can't stop/turn as fast either. They also shouldn't require as much "killing" as something like an MBT, and less ass-kicking can translate into the same size package having more sensors and booster. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:57:28 AM EDT
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Those mine sweepers look like fishing boats Probably way too old, but where do I sign up  Wooden ships, quite literally. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:59:41 AM EDT
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I had never noticed the Nimitz class doesn't have the catapult extensions you see on the Enterprise and Forrestal class. What was the technical reason for their existence and subsequent elimination? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USS_Theodore_Roosevelt_(2005).jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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USS Theodore Roosevelt - Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier I had never noticed the Nimitz class doesn't have the catapult extensions you see on the Enterprise and Forrestal class. What was the technical reason for their existence and subsequent elimination? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USS_Theodore_Roosevelt_(2005).jpg They were there to catch bridles. No more aircraft use bridles for catapult launches, so they were eliminated. Enterprise no longer had them when she decommissioned. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:02:54 PM EDT
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I had never noticed the Nimitz class doesn't have the catapult extensions you see on the Enterprise and Forrestal class. What was the technical reason for their existence and subsequent elimination? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USS_Theodore_Roosevelt_(2005).jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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USS Theodore Roosevelt - Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier I had never noticed the Nimitz class doesn't have the catapult extensions you see on the Enterprise and Forrestal class. What was the technical reason for their existence and subsequent elimination? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USS_Theodore_Roosevelt_(2005).jpg Bridle Arrestor is the technical term, and it think the reason had to do with reducing topside weight now that no Navy aircraft needed bridles for launching after the T-2 and TA-4 went away. I could be very wrong, though. Not my part of the Navy. Eta: beat. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:03:16 PM EDT
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I had never noticed the Nimitz class doesn't have the catapult extensions you see on the Enterprise and Forrestal class. What was the technical reason for their existence and subsequent elimination? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USS_Theodore_Roosevelt_(2005).jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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USS Theodore Roosevelt - Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier I had never noticed the Nimitz class doesn't have the catapult extensions you see on the Enterprise and Forrestal class. What was the technical reason for their existence and subsequent elimination? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USS_Theodore_Roosevelt_(2005).jpg They were called bridle horns and were needed when aircraft still used bridles for launching. There was arrestor gear on them to catch the bridles for reuse. Those went away and the last Navy jets to use them (F-4,KA-3,EKA-3) were retired. No use for the system anymore, so they removed them. If I am not mistaken, I think Carl Vinson was the last one built with one on Catapult 1. They were all removed eventually. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:03:51 PM EDT
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Beautiful ships
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:04:12 PM EDT
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They were there to catch bridles. No more aircraft use bridles for catapult launches, so they were eliminated. Enterprise no longer had them when she decommissioned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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USS Theodore Roosevelt - Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier I had never noticed the Nimitz class doesn't have the catapult extensions you see on the Enterprise and Forrestal class. What was the technical reason for their existence and subsequent elimination? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/USS_Theodore_Roosevelt_(2005).jpg They were there to catch bridles. No more aircraft use bridles for catapult launches, so they were eliminated. Enterprise no longer had them when she decommissioned. So that's what those were, eh? Interesting... |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:10:08 PM EDT
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Quite obviously you have no fear in inquiring Allah's vengeful wrath delivered by the mighty Iranian suicide speedboat swarms... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ofmkikhAnA
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:12:36 PM EDT
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When the LxD's start pooping out LCAC's you'll know shit's about to get real.
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:17:00 PM EDT
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That's a lot of gator freighters in the mix.
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:20:29 PM EDT
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I just want to see some Iranian shit get blown the fuck up.  THIS! |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:22:54 PM EDT
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A cool and recent pic of the Roosevelt with a Ticonderoga-class escort.
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:23:30 PM EDT
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A cool and recent pic of the Roosevelt with a Ticonderoga-class escort. http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c0910279a37982a93ad6eb807cfcf5899784a861/c=78-0-964-666&r=x483&c=640x480/local/-/media/2015/04/20/GGM/MilitaryTimes/635651375347096592-17021946991-217d7d6ae1-k.jpg VICKSBURG CG-69 |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 12:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When Congress went apeshit over the KC-X competition the Navy followed by "getting both." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did I miss a memo somewhere? Yes. 2 classes of LCS. LCS-1, which is the conventional looking corvette and LCS-2 which is the trimaran. Odd numbers are LCS-1 class. Even numbers LCS-2 class. Oh, good grief.seriously? Any particular reason for this bizarre arrangement? Thanks for letting me know, though. That conventional hull version was completely new to me... When Congress went apeshit over the KC-X competition the Navy followed by "getting both."  |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:01:41 PM EDT
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And the world will laugh at all of the billions and billions worth of the most high tech military hardware there is when obama lets the Iranian convoy pass.
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:02:25 PM EDT
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Are you claiming that a manufacturer's promotional video would lie to us? I have no data on the effectiveness of that round vs land targets. Maritime environment is different than land environment. That difference has consequences for sensors. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:05:50 PM EDT
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I have no data on the effectiveness of that round vs land targets. Maritime environment is different than land environment. That difference has consequences for sensors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you claiming that a manufacturer's promotional video would lie to us? I have no data on the effectiveness of that round vs land targets. Maritime environment is different than land environment. That difference has consequences for sensors. I'm just in a cynical mood this month. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:09:06 PM EDT
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Are you claiming that a manufacturer's promotional video would lie to us? I have no data on the effectiveness of that round vs land targets. Maritime environment is different than land environment. That difference has consequences for sensors. I'm just in a cynical mood this month. I recall that the round is supposed to be pretty effective overland. Textron came to brief my boss, looking for an advocate for employment of this round vs small boats. They did a demonstration a while back that didn't go that great from what I remember. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:15:28 PM EDT
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Surprised the Zumwalt isn't out there leading the charge!
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:22:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Surprised the Zumwalt isn't out there leading the charge! It is! You just can't see it. STEALTH!  |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:23:34 PM EDT
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I recall that the round is supposed to be pretty effective overland. Textron came to brief my boss, looking for an advocate for employment of this round vs small boats. They did a demonstration a while back that didn't go that great from what I remember. I'm sure the system "as-is" might have some trouble with use against boats... it isn't what it was designed to do. But I don't think it a "naval" variant would be a too tough nut to crack. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:25:30 PM EDT
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I'm sure the system "as-is" might have some trouble with use against boats... it isn't what it was designed to do. But I don't think it a "naval" variant would be a too tough nut to crack. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I recall that the round is supposed to be pretty effective overland. Textron came to brief my boss, looking for an advocate for employment of this round vs small boats. They did a demonstration a while back that didn't go that great from what I remember. I'm sure the system "as-is" might have some trouble with use against boats... it isn't what it was designed to do. But I don't think it a "naval" variant would be a too tough nut to crack. And yet... |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:29:12 PM EDT
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I'm sure the system "as-is" might have some trouble with use against boats... it isn't what it was designed to do. But I don't think it a "naval" variant would be a too tough nut to crack. And yet... We don't have the money to develop a viable small-craft defense system... DoD has to make sure all of the diversity standards are being met and the anti-bias sensitivity training gets done.
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is! You just can't see it. STEALTH! http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-Christoph-Waltz-finish-finished-jazz-hands-proud-surprise-Ta-da-GIF.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Surprised the Zumwalt isn't out there leading the charge! It is! You just can't see it. STEALTH! http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-Christoph-Waltz-finish-finished-jazz-hands-proud-surprise-Ta-da-GIF.gif |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:35:57 PM EDT
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We don't have the money to develop a viable small-craft defense system... DoD has to make sure all of the diversity standards are being met and the anti-bias sensitivity training gets done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sure the system "as-is" might have some trouble with use against boats... it isn't what it was designed to do. But I don't think it a "naval" variant would be a too tough nut to crack. And yet... We don't have the money to develop a viable small-craft defense system... DoD has to make sure all of the diversity standards are being met and the anti-bias sensitivity training gets done. there's some really good work being done in that area. The TR Strike Group is the biggest beneficiary of that work Not much of that work involves Textron's weapon, though there are those who like it ~3:18
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:47:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you think they need more? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Please tell me we have more than a cruiser and two destroyers escorting all of that. Why do you think they need more? THERE'S NOT ENOUGH GUNS! DON'T YOU KEEP UP???! WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GUNS ON OUR BOATS AND AIRCRAFT! |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:50:46 PM EDT
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they all look so naked except maybe the carrier, granted i don't really know shit about any of these boats but i love the giant guns on a battle ship. they should strap some intimidating looking weapons on the outside of some of these just for the yeah come and fuck with it factor could also serve as a good decoy type target So basically you want a Gearing class destroyer? http://webzoom.freewebs.com/lobo865/scan0002.jpg Fletcher class was cooler looking. Hand in your man card
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Posted: 4/21/2015 1:57:13 PM EDT
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Destroyer Weapons and Combat System are optimized for ASW, Cruisers for AAW How is a tin can floating a SPY-1D optimized for ASW...? The Flight IIA Burkes are cruisers for all intents and purposes; they're just called destroyers by the Navy. ETA: Late to the party again. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 2:00:58 PM EDT
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I'm sure we have a few boomers lurking underwater as well.  I'm sure we don't. It would be stupid fucking place to put an SSBN. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 2:02:43 PM EDT
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The US Navy owns the seas we just allow others to use it when it pleases us.
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