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Link Posted: 1/31/2015 3:49:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/1/2015 5:33:00 AM EDT
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I hear the Refs will be testifying at Hernandez's trial....
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Link Posted: 2/1/2015 5:38:23 AM EDT
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I check my tire pressure today with a gauge.  The left front was low, so I filled it up to the proper pressure.  I have no proof of this.  And besides, no one knows what gauge means!  
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I checked my tires today too.  It has been cold out.  I checked them two days ago and they were all fine.



Do you have proof of this?



Nice.  

...but the burden is on proving a crime/ infraction not proving innocence.
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This isn't a court of Law.

Is OJ guilty? Court said no, but the PUBLIC said yes.

Public is pretty much saying "yes" here. You can't really blame them after all the other BS the Pats have pulled. Guilty looks guilty to a non Pats fanboy.




Link Posted: 2/1/2015 8:50:04 AM EDT
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  At this point I think the league is wishing this would all just go away and be forgotten.

Kraft is probably licking his chops waiting for that public apology now.
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Goodell said there was no information at this time if an infraction by the Patriots took place.

Roger Goodell wraps up 'tough year' by addressing key NFL issues

  At this point I think the league is wishing this would all just go away and be forgotten.

Kraft is probably licking his chops waiting for that public apology now.

Except for the toll it has taken on the team for these last two weeks. All over nothing but a manufactured crisis.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 8:54:09 AM EDT
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The League looks like fools because they trust the Referees to make calls regarding rules violations without providing video proof?  Really?  

Why would Walt lie?  

Why would the Patriots lie?


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I wonder if the Patriots might try and spike the Seahawk's gatorade drinks somehow?

Link Posted: 2/1/2015 12:55:42 PM EDT
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From Rappaport: now reporting only ONE Patriots football from AFC title game was 2PSI below legal limit. 10 other footballs just "a tick" below.

All this shit over nothing
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:12:46 PM EDT
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Meanwhile, the NFL has been investigating the Atlanta Falcon about piped in crowd noise for two seasons, with few leaks and zero media blitzes...


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/atlanta-falcons-investigated-for-allegedly-piping-crowd-noise-into-georgia-dome-020115

Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:24:11 PM EDT
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From Rappaport: now reporting only ONE Patriots football from AFC title game was 2PSI below legal limit. 10 other footballs just "a tick" below.

All this shit over nothing
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Was that one ball the one that was intercepted and "inspected" by the Colts equipment manager?

ETA the link:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs

Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:31:48 PM EDT
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This isn't a court of Law.

Is OJ guilty? Court said no, but the PUBLIC said yes.

Public is pretty much saying "yes" here. You can't really blame them after all the other BS the Pats have pulled. Guilty looks guilty to a non Pats fanboy.




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I check my tire pressure today with a gauge.  The left front was low, so I filled it up to the proper pressure.  I have no proof of this.  And besides, no one knows what gauge means!  
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I checked my tires today too.  It has been cold out.  I checked them two days ago and they were all fine.



Do you have proof of this?



Nice.  

...but the burden is on proving a crime/ infraction not proving innocence.


This isn't a court of Law.

Is OJ guilty? Court said no, but the PUBLIC said yes.

Public is pretty much saying "yes" here. You can't really blame them after all the other BS the Pats have pulled. Guilty looks guilty to a non Pats fanboy.








You mean sort of like convicting Daren Wilson before the grand jury looked at the evidence?  
Lets riot.  


Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:32:49 PM EDT
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Was that one ball the one that was intercepted and "inspected" by the Colts equipment manager?

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs

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From Rappaport: now reporting only ONE Patriots football from AFC title game was 2PSI below legal limit. 10 other footballs just "a tick" below.

All this shit over nothing


Was that one ball the one that was intercepted and "inspected" by the Colts equipment manager?

ETA the link:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs



Yup, so the Colts cheated.  They should forfeit.  Oh wait, they got crushed, nevermind.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:34:02 PM EDT
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Dafuq does that mean?
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  His word is just as good as Bill's, Tom's and Robert's until proven otherwise.


Walt has never been caught cheating or lying. His word is better.


He and the refs weren't caught not doing their job in that very game.

Dafuq does that mean?


The head ref has admitted that he didn't actually measure the ball before the game.  The did the equivalent of tapping on a melon at a market, so its unknown if they were at the low end, middle, or high going into the game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:34:19 PM EDT
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Yup, so the Colts cheated.  They should forfeit.  Oh wait, they got crushed, nevermind.
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From Rappaport: now reporting only ONE Patriots football from AFC title game was 2PSI below legal limit. 10 other footballs just "a tick" below.

All this shit over nothing


Was that one ball the one that was intercepted and "inspected" by the Colts equipment manager?

ETA the link:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs



Yup, so the Colts cheated.  They should forfeit.  Oh wait, they got crushed, nevermind.



Getting kicked out for cheating in that game would be better than what actually happened to the Colts.    
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:03:12 PM EDT
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs



More details on the investigation of Patriots' deflated footballs

Ian Rapoport


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> Prior to the game, a game-day worker employed by the Patriots, a man described as elderly, took two bags of 12 footballs (one bag from each team) into the restroom near the referees' room in Gillette Stadium. The man was in the room for 98 seconds. When he exited the room, he took the balls to the field. There is video of the man entering and exiting the bathroom, but it's unclear if there is a clear shot inside the restroom.

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>> Eleven of the 12 footballs used in the first half were judged by the officials to be under the minimum of 12.5 PSI, but just one was two pounds under. Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum.

>> Many of the footballs used in the AFC title game, which all have Walt Anderson's initials on them, were returned to circulation among the rest of the Patriots game-day footballs.

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Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:09:03 PM EDT
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More details on the investigation of Patriots' deflated footballs

Ian Rapoport


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> Prior to the game, a game-day worker employed by the Patriots, a man described as elderly, took two bags of 12 footballs (one bag from each team) into the restroom near the referees' room in Gillette Stadium. The man was in the room for 98 seconds. When he exited the room, he took the balls to the field. There is video of the man entering and exiting the bathroom, but it's unclear if there is a clear shot inside the restroom.

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>> Eleven of the 12 footballs used in the first half were judged by the officials to be under the minimum of 12.5 PSI, but just one was two pounds under. Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum.

>> Many of the footballs used in the AFC title game, which all have Walt Anderson's initials on them, were returned to circulation among the rest of the Patriots game-day footballs.

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Doesn't matter.  The goal was to tarnish the Patriots more.  If they win the Superbowl today, everyone will say..."They only won because the cheated...again".  Even though it is more than likely untrue.

Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:10:34 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter.  The goal was to tarnish the Patriots more.  If they win the Superbowl today, everyone will say..."They only won because the cheated...again".  Even though it is more than likely untrue.

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More details on the investigation of Patriots' deflated footballs

Ian Rapoport


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> Prior to the game, a game-day worker employed by the Patriots, a man described as elderly, took two bags of 12 footballs (one bag from each team) into the restroom near the referees' room in Gillette Stadium. The man was in the room for 98 seconds. When he exited the room, he took the balls to the field. There is video of the man entering and exiting the bathroom, but it's unclear if there is a clear shot inside the restroom.

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>> Eleven of the 12 footballs used in the first half were judged by the officials to be under the minimum of 12.5 PSI, but just one was two pounds under. Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum.

>> Many of the footballs used in the AFC title game, which all have Walt Anderson's initials on them, were returned to circulation among the rest of the Patriots game-day footballs.

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Doesn't matter.  The goal was to tarnish the Patriots more.  If they win the Superbowl today, everyone will say..."They only won because the cheated...again".  Even though it is more than likely untrue.



That, and a general lack of excitement for this SB, so it's been a ratings bonanza for various media outlets anyway...
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 3:22:18 PM EDT
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/01/nfl-insists-there-was-no-sting-operation-against-patriots/

...One key fact that is unrelated to the issue of cheating but nevertheless critical to the broader context is whether the NFL entered the AFC title game intending to try to catch the Patriots in the act, or whether the issue came up during the game itself.

Bob Glauber of Newsday has reported (and reiterated) that the question first emerged during the game, after an interception by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson sparked a chain of events that culminated in the league office deciding to test the footballs at halftime.  Jay Glazer of FOX Sports has reported that the NFL intended to test the footballs at halftime even before the game began.

The latter report speaks to the existence of a sting operation, with the NFL setting a trap for the Patriots and springing it unexpectedly at intermission of the AFC title game.  It also means that the NFL would have allowed the Patriots to potentially undermine the integrity of the AFL title game, allowing them to use balls that may have been underinflated.

As mentioned within the last hour during the Super Bowl pregame show on NBC, the NFL privately insists that there was no sting operation, and that the incident first arose during the Colts-Patriots game.  While some would call that a predictable denial, the failure of the officials to log the air pressure inside the footballs before the game began suggests that there was no plan — or if there was a plan it was a bad one — to catch New England in the act.
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Link Posted: 2/1/2015 3:26:13 PM EDT
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ProFootballTalkVerified account ?@ProFootballTalk

We've asked NFL for comment on report from NFL employee that tends to undermine NFL's investigation into #DeflateGate
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Link Posted: 2/1/2015 3:31:01 PM EDT
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We've asked NFL for comment on report from NFL employee that tends to undermine NFL's investigation into #DeflateGate



Must mean the Rapaport story...
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 7:17:45 PM EDT
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From Rappaport: now reporting only ONE Patriots football from AFC title game was 2PSI below legal limit. 10 other footballs just "a tick" below.

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So you question the method and accuracy and integrity of those who measured the balls earlier.

But now you are hanging your hat on it?  Oh you....  
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 7:24:09 PM EDT
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So you question the method and accuracy and integrity of those who measured the balls earlier.

But now you are hanging your hat on it?  Oh you....  
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From Rappaport: now reporting only ONE Patriots football from AFC title game was 2PSI below legal limit. 10 other footballs just "a tick" below.

All this shit over nothing


So you question the method and accuracy and integrity of those who measured the balls earlier.

But now you are hanging your hat on it?  Oh you....  



Sounds like you are hanging your hat on the initial first and no details reports having had all the information  that there is to have.  
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 9:35:35 AM EDT
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The head ref has admitted that he didn't actually measure the ball before the game.  The did the equivalent of tapping on a melon at a market, so its unknown if they were at the low end, middle, or high going into the game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/
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The head ref has admitted that he didn't actually measure the ball before the game.  The did the equivalent of tapping on a melon at a market, so its unknown if they were at the low end, middle, or high going into the game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/

I'm not much of a word guy, but no, that's not what that article says.

The article says the officials [to paraphrase] "did not log the pressures of the footballs prior to the game".

It does not say that the officials didn't measure the ball pressures, quite to the contrary:

“We did review what happened pregame, and from everything that we reviewed and all the information we had, the balls were properly tested prior to the game,” Blandino responded during the news conference when asked if the NFL had proof beyond taking Anderson for his word.

Based on the video of other pre-game checks, I'd say they measured the ball pressure with a dial gauge, and set the pressures accordingly, rolling instrumentation and human error into the final pressures.
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 10:06:36 AM EDT
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The head ref has admitted that he didn't actually measure the ball before the game.  The did the equivalent of tapping on a melon at a market, so its unknown if they were at the low end, middle, or high going into the game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/
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Did you even read the article? It doesnt say anything of the sort.
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 10:09:05 AM EDT
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So you question the method and accuracy and integrity of those who measured the balls earlier.

But now you are hanging your hat on it?  Oh you....  
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From Rappaport: now reporting only ONE Patriots football from AFC title game was 2PSI below legal limit. 10 other footballs just "a tick" below.

All this shit over nothing


So you question the method and accuracy and integrity of those who measured the balls earlier.

But now you are hanging your hat on it?  Oh you....  

The method and accuracy of the pregame check are most certainly in question, especially the latter.  Even the halftime and postgame measurements are in question.

Hopefully the under-spec balls were pulled aside and replaced with the back up balls.  The rules seem to indicate that using the back up balls is the preferred approach, unless those balls also fall out of spec, at which time the most serviceable of the out of spec balls are to be used - whatever that means.

If the under-spec footballs were simply re-inflated to the 12.5psig minimum and returned to the game, then (1) forensic evidence has been completely lost and (2) the officials must not have thought the under-spec issue was all that important if they didn't impound the footballs in question.

That the officials didn't record ball pressures before the game - well, I have no issue with that.

That the officials didn't record ball pressures from the halftime check - I still don't have an issue with that.

If, however, the under-spec footballs were returned to the game, then, in my opinion, the officials erred.
Link Posted: 2/5/2015 6:02:25 PM EDT
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So, with the recent reporting stating that the only ball 2 PSI low was the ball handled by the Colts, and the reports saying the other balls were just a "tick" under 12.5, people are now calling for an investigation into the Colts for intentionally tampering with the one ball in order to try and embarrass / discredit the Patriots.
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Strip the championship and superbowl wins.  That's the only way they'll learn.

In any other sport, you get caught cheating, your wins get vacated.
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And now kissgate.

You seen bellichick and his daughter deep kissing after the game?

Ewwww
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So, with the recent reporting stating that the only ball 2 PSI low was the ball handled by the Colts, and the reports saying the other balls were just a "tick" under 12.5, people are now calling for an investigation into the Colts for intentionally tampering with the one ball in order to try and embarrass / discredit the Patriots.
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Not surprising. A bunch of mouth breathers here fell for it, too.
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Rice admits to “illegal” use of stickum


Multiple readers (presumably Patriots fans) have sent in recent days to PFT a link to a video published by ESPN on January 17, 2015 regarding the evolution of gloves.  Dated only one day before the dawn of #DeflateGate, the segment contains an admission from Hall of Fame receiver Jerry Rice that he may not have made if discussing the subject after expressing an opinion to Jim Rome that the ball-deflation controversy should place an asterisk on the latest Lombardi Trophy won by the Patriots.

‘I’m going to be point blank, I feel like it’s cheating,” Rice told Rome on January 22.  “Because you have an edge up on your opponent and its unfortunate that it happened.  I’m not saying the outcome of the game would have been different or anything like that because they got beat 45-7, but they still had an edge.”

In that same interview, Rice added, “I’ve played in cold weather, I know how hard the football is and you can grip the leather [if deflated] just a little bit better.”

When it comes to playing football in any conditions, the challenge becomes not only throwing it but catching it.  And in the ESPN segment narrated by Jim Trotter, Rice nonchalantly made a stunning (in hindsight) confession:  Rice put stickum on his gloves.

“I know this might be a little illegal, guys, but you put a little spray, a little stickum on them, to make sure that texture is a little sticky,” Rice said, laughing.

It wasn’t a little illegal, it was a lot illegal.  As explained in the ESPN feature, gloves were introduced to football after the NFL decided to outlaw the stuff that guys like Fred Biletnikoff and Lester Hayes (pictured) would spread copiously on their hands, and elsewhere.  Rice admitted in the feature that he enhanced the surface of gloves approved for use in the NFL with a substance that would make it easier to catch the ball.

“I’m going to be point blank, I feel like it’s cheating.  Because you have an edge up on your opponent and its unfortunate that it happened.”

With or without the stickum or the gloves, Rice still would have been the greatest receiver of all time.  But, as he said regarding the Patriots, he still had an edge.
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Strip the championship and superbowl wins.  That's the only way they'll learn.

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What? Who?

Are you still just headline reading?
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I think they should force gronk to play for seattle.

And that lil Edelman fellar.


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I think they should force gronk to play for seattle.



And that lil Edelman fellar.

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They certainly do need to work on their receiving talent. Question is, will they have the money for it?
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Weei reported Adam Schefter claimed there is a lot of talk in the NFL that Indianapolis might have tampered with the intercepted football.

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Only 1 football 2 PSI low. The rest were a "tick" under the 12.5?




Have to question the chain of custody of the one ball.




3 weeks and counting. NFL investigations for the win.
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Won't matter to the poo flingers here.
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Whoa, Mike Kensil personally checked the footballs?   Instead of refs?  Three guesses who leaked to Mortensen, first two don't count.

In her item primarily focusing on the alleged attempt by a Patriots locker-room attendant to give a non-special teams football to officials during the AFC title game, Kelly Naqi of ESPN.com drops a tidbit that conflicts with the report from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that transformed the question of deflated footballs from a curiosity into a national sensation.

Regarding the halftime inspection of the footballs at halftime of the Colts-Patriots game, Naqi writes:  “One source said [NFL executive Mike] Kensil personally checked the PSI (pounds per square inch) levels of all 12 footballs the Patriots had for use on offense and found that 11 of those 12 were underinflated by ‘one to two pounds.'”

Reported Mortensen on January 20:  “NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.”
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/17/new-espn-report-conflicts-prior-claim-of-football-deflation/
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