So Goliath was 9ft tall as well as a formidable fighter?

Goliath maybe might have been that tall, but it's very doubtful he was any kind of physical specimen or challenge if he was.  Only a couple dozen people ever have been verified to be over 8ft throughout recent recorded history and almost all of them is due to tumors or dysfunctional pituitary diseases which leaves them mostly or partially debilitated, most dying in their 20's and 30's, and most aren't even fully ambulatory without any kind of aids.  Something like only two of the two dozen known 8-footers had no underlying medical dysfunctions and they lived mostly normal lives, even dying in their 50s, and they were on the very low end of the 8-footer-club.  None of the "big" 8-footers escaped medical issues.  So no way was Goliath reaching into the 9 foot zone AND fully ambulatory to the extent that he was some kind of combatant; that alone would have been miraculous in it's own right.  So David basically slayed one of God's miracles... is the moral of that story.

And this Og King of Bashan character was 13.5ft tall?

The height of American males follows a normal distribution, the mean is 69.2 inches and a standard deviation of 2.66 inches.  The average height of NBA players spanning the past 25 years is 79 inches putting the average NBA player height 3.68 standard deviations off the average American male.  Consulting a Z-table probability chart for normal distributions, you'll note that even the statically probability of someone being taller than the average NBA player is P=0.00011662 (1 in 8,575 people).  So where does old Og King Bashan fit into all this?  Well he is 34.89 standard deviations off the mark.  Wow... so probability Z-tables don't go that high; the charts cut off somewhere around a Z-score of 4.41, where the probability is 1 in 100,000 for Z=4.41.  So if we extrapolate by doubles to get from Z=4.41 to Z=34.89, (Z₁*2ⁿ=Z₂, n=2.98) the resulting Z₂ probability lies somewhere in the neighborhood of P₁ⁿ ... or 1 in 794 trillion.  

The more likely explanation of 13.5ft tall Og King of Bashan...

I really don't think those stories are meant to be taken literally. They're meant to teach life lessons using fantastical aspects like giants and talking animals.

If only there was some convenient way for someone to snap a pic of such a thing, perhaps some widely-available, pocket-sized camera.

The Special Forces soldiers fought a giant in Kandahar is one of those stories intentionally written because the author knows no one can prove it happened and the reader won't know any better because "whoa special forces"

You are comparing people with physical malfunctions to people sired by Sons of God. See the difference?

I recently read The True History of the Conquest of New Spain, which is a first hand account of Cortez' conquest of Mexico.  In the book, the author describes a tribe in Mexico showing them the bones of giants.  I believe they even had the bones sent back to Spain, but I haven't looked further into it.

And yet the average stature of modern humans surpasses that of those "sired by Sons of God"

What I'm saying is that those people may have existed.  But they weren't wig-splitting 9-footers or (even more laughably) 13-footers.  Goliath was probably a mid-7-footer with solid fitness/athleticism.... think Yao Ming or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Shaq.  They would absolutely be considered "giants" in an era of manlets 3000 years ago and their agility/speed/strenght would make them solid combatants.

The Bible says it and gives data, the flood wiped them out. There could have be some watered down genes passed down.

A collection of biblical references regarding giants.

Genesis 6:4
Verse Concepts
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 13:33
Verse Concepts
There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

Deuteronomy 2:11
Verse Concepts
Like the Anakim, they are also regarded as Rephaim, but the Moabites call them Emim.

Deuteronomy 2:20
Verse Concepts
(It is also regarded as the land of the Rephaim, for Rephaim formerly lived in it, but the Ammonites call them Zamzummin,

Deuteronomy 3:11
Verse Concepts
(For only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. Behold, his bedstead was an iron bedstead; it is in Rabbah of the sons of Ammon. Its length was nine cubits and its width four cubits by ordinary cubit.)

Joshua 17:15
Verse Concepts
Joshua said to them, “If you are a numerous people, go up to the forest and clear a place for yourself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the Rephaim, since the hill country of Ephraim is too narrow for you.”

Joshua 18:16
Verse Concepts
The border went down to the edge of the hill which is in the valley of Ben-hinnom, which is in the valley of Rephaim northward; and it went down to the valley of Hinnom, to the slope of the Jebusite southward, and went down to En-rogel.

1 Samuel 17:4
Verse Concepts
Then a champion came out from the armies of the Philistines named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

2 Samuel 21:16
Verse Concepts
Then Ishbi-benob, who was among the descendants of the giant, the weight of whose spear was three hundred shekels of bronze in weight, was girded with a new sword, and he intended to kill David.

2 Samuel 21:20
Verse Concepts
There was war at Gath again, where there was a man of great stature who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number; and he also had been born to the giant.

Numbers 13:28
Verse Concepts
Nevertheless, the people who live in the land are strong, and the cities are fortified and very large; and moreover, we saw the descendants of Anak there.

Deuteronomy 1:28
Verse Concepts
Where can we go up? Our brethren have made our hearts melt, saying, “The people are bigger and taller than we; the cities are large and fortified to heaven. And besides, we saw the sons of the Anakim there.”’

Deuteronomy 2:10
Verse Concepts
(The Emim lived there formerly, a people as great, numerous, and tall as the Anakim.

Deuteronomy 9:2
Verse Concepts
a people great and tall, the sons of the Anakim, whom you know and of whom you have heard it said, ‘Who can stand before the sons of Anak?’

Joshua 11:21
Verse Concepts
Then Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab and from all the hill country of Judah and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities.

Joshua 14:15
Verse Concepts
Now the name of Hebron was formerly Kiriath-arba; for Arba was the greatest man among the Anakim. Then the land had rest from war.

Joshua 15:14
Verse Concepts
Caleb drove out from there the three sons of Anak: Sheshai and Ahiman and Talmai, the children of Anak.

Joshua 13:12
Verse Concepts
all the kingdom of Og in Bashan, who reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei (he alone was left of the remnant of the Rephaim); for Moses struck them and dispossessed them.

Genesis 14:5
Verse Concepts
In the fourteenth year Chedorlaomer and the kings that were with him, came and defeated the Rephaim in Ashteroth-karnaim and the Zuzim in Ham and the Emim in Shaveh-kiriathaim,

Numbers 13:32
Verse Concepts
So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size.

Joshua 14:12
Verse Concepts
Now then, give me this hill country about which the Lord spoke on that day, for you heard on that day that Anakim were there, with great fortified cities; perhaps the Lord will be with me, and I will drive them out as the Lord has spoken.”

Amos 2:9
Verse Concepts
“Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them,
Though his height was like the height of cedars
And he was strong as the oaks;
I even destroyed his fruit above and his root below.

1 Chronicles 20:8
These were descended from the giants in Gath, and they fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.

Deuteronomy 2:10-11
(The Emim lived there formerly, a people as great, numerous, and tall as the Anakim. Like the Anakim, they are also regarded as Rephaim, but the Moabites call them Emim.

Numbers 13:22
Verse Concepts
When they had gone up into the Negev, they came to Hebron where Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai, the descendants of Anak were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)

Joshua 15:13-14
Now he gave to Caleb the son of Jephunneh a portion among the sons of Judah, according to the command of the Lord to Joshua, namely, Kiriath-arba, Arba being the father of Anak (that is, Hebron). Caleb drove out from there the three sons of Anak: Sheshai and Ahiman and Talmai, the children of Anak.

Judges 1:20
Verse Concepts
Then they gave Hebron to Caleb, as Moses had promised; and he drove out from there the three sons of Anak.

1 Chronicles 20:5
Verse Concepts
And there was war with the Philistines again, and Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

2 Samuel 21:18
Verse Concepts
Now it came about after this that there was war again with the Philistines at Gob; then Sibbecai the Hushathite struck down Saph, who was among the descendants of the giant.

1 Chronicles 20:4
Verse Concepts
Now it came about after this, that war broke out at Gezer with the Philistines; then Sibbecai the Hushathite killed Sippai, one of the descendants of the giants, and they were subdued.

1 Chronicles 20:6
Verse Concepts
Again there was war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature who had twenty-four fingers and toes, six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot; and he also was descended from the giants.

1 Chronicles 11:23
Verse Concepts
He killed an Egyptian, a man of great stature five cubits tall. Now in the Egyptian’s hand was a spear like a weaver’s beam, but he went down to him with a club and snatched the spear from the Egyptian’s hand and killed him with his own spear.

From Thematic Bible
Giants » Anakim
Giants » Emim
Giants » The last of, destroyed by david and his warriors
Giants » The valley of » David obtained victories over the philistines in
Giants » Og the king of bashan was of
Giants » Subdued by chedorlaomer
Giants » Dwelt in canaan
Giants » The valley of » Was exceedingly fruitful
Giants » The valley of » A border of judah
Giants » Anakim
Joshua 15:14
Verse Concepts
Caleb drove out from there the three sons of Anak: Sheshai and Ahiman and Talmai, the children of Anak.

Joshua 11:21
Verse Concepts
Then Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab and from all the hill country of Judah and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities.

Joshua 14:15
Verse Concepts
Now the name of Hebron was formerly Kiriath-arba; for Arba was the greatest man among the Anakim. Then the land had rest from war.

Deuteronomy 1:28
Verse Concepts
Where can we go up? Our brethren have made our hearts melt, saying, “The people are bigger and taller than we; the cities are large and fortified to heaven. And besides, we saw the sons of the Anakim there.”’

Deuteronomy 2:10
Verse Concepts
(The Emim lived there formerly, a people as great, numerous, and tall as the Anakim.

More verses: Deuteronomy 9:2 Numbers 13:28
Giants » Emim
Deuteronomy 2:10
Verse Concepts
(The Emim lived there formerly, a people as great, numerous, and tall as the Anakim.

Genesis 14:5
Verse Concepts
In the fourteenth year Chedorlaomer and the kings that were with him, came and defeated the Rephaim in Ashteroth-karnaim and the Zuzim in Ham and the Emim in Shaveh-kiriathaim,

Giants » The last of, destroyed by david and his warriors
2 Samuel 21:15-22
Now when the Philistines were at war again with Israel, David went down and his servants with him; and as they fought against the Philistines, David became weary. Then Ishbi-benob, who was among the descendants of the giant, the weight of whose spear was three hundred shekels of bronze in weight, was girded with a new sword, and he intended to kill David. But Abishai the son of Zeruiah helped him, and struck the Philistine and killed him Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall not go out again with us to battle, so that you do not extinguish the lamp of Israel." read more.
1 Samuel 17:4
Verse Concepts
Then a champion came out from the armies of the Philistines named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

1 Samuel 17:49-50
And David put his hand into his bag and took from it a stone and slung it, and struck the Philistine on his forehead. And the stone sank into his forehead, so that he fell on his face to the ground. Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David's hand.

Giants » The valley of » David obtained victories over the philistines in
2 Samuel 5:25
Verse Concepts
Then David did so, just as the Lord had commanded him, and struck down the Philistines from Geba as far as Gezer.

2 Samuel 5:18
Now the Philistines came and spread themselves out in the valley of Rephaim.

Giants » Og the king of bashan was of
Joshua 13:12
Verse Concepts
all the kingdom of Og in Bashan, who reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei (he alone was left of the remnant of the Rephaim); for Moses struck them and dispossessed them.

Giants » Subdued by chedorlaomer
Genesis 14:5
Verse Concepts
In the fourteenth year Chedorlaomer and the kings that were with him, came and defeated the Rephaim in Ashteroth-karnaim and the Zuzim in Ham and the Emim in Shaveh-kiriathaim,

Giants » Dwelt in canaan
Joshua 17:15
Verse Concepts
Joshua said to them, “If you are a numerous people, go up to the forest and clear a place for yourself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the Rephaim, since the hill country of Ephraim is too narrow for you.”

Giants » The valley of » Was exceedingly fruitful
Isaiah 17:5
Verse Concepts
It will be even like the reaper gathering the standing grain,
As his arm harvests the ears,
Or it will be like one gleaning ears of grain
In the valley of Rephaim.

Giants » The valley of » A border of judah
Joshua 15:8
Verse Concepts
Then the border went up the valley of Ben-hinnom to the slope of the Jebusite on the south (that is, Jerusalem); and the border went up to the top of the mountain which is before the valley of Hinnom to the west, which is at the end of the valley of Rephaim toward the north.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Giants

so in john 14 wwas jesus being literal or figurative?  

The Way, the Truth, and the Life

14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, [b]I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

why include a measureent if its not relevant?

He may have meant something else. But he could have worded it differently.

There are mounds near me that go inexplicably unexplored because of what? Native customs or some shit.? Hell my people have been here for 400 and some change, I'm native, by right so fuck all that.

I just question everything, part of what makes me good at my job.

Giant Dragon.

Personally, I’d rather hear stories about midgets and dwarfs.

I can get that on the hub. What about giant midgets, those fuckers had to be 5'9" or better. And what about toonbaq? The wendigo, the skin walker?
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What about kolomoki mounds?

Them fuckers buried something cause why else would you go through that kind of trouble? Blakely Georgia is the definition of flat, pine land, ain't like they built into a hill. Why can't we explore those sites like we did the ancient pyramids?  Those fuckers are hiding something and I mean to get to the bottom of it, I dare you to doubt me.

I'm just being a general misuse of site resources cause I'll be 40 in a few days along with me mates. I'm entertaining the fantastical. I have seen and experienced some things that cannot be explained very easily. And I have always been naturally inquisitive.

Sure you could theorize that. But the Bible actually tells you how tall Goliath was so you don't have to make things up. 1 Samuel 17:4 says that his height was six cubits and a span, which is roughly 9'9".

I don't know what "giants" Lincoln might be talking about in the OP...or what the OP is talking about at all. But the Bible talks about Nephilim. They did exist and were considered to be what we might call "giants." It's not some great big mystery if you just read ???????

ETA: always makes me sad to see people claim to be Christians but then in the same breath say something absolutely ridiculous like "weell I don't think the Bible is meant to be taken literally..it's just stories." I must have missed that part in these verses.

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Matthew 4:4 - But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Psalm 119:105 - Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 - All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

John 17:17 - Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

Matthew 24:35 - Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Colossians 3:16 - Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

Luke 11:28 - But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

Isaiah 40:8 - The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever.

I'm not asking. It is established. I'm simply curious.

Theres a lot of shit on this planet that is totally unexplainable.

I'm open to anything at this point.

Given how often our government lies and how many book burning events there have been throughout history I dont doubt anything 100% ever.

You worded that better than I could, I'm only looking for the possibility.

The HMS Terror and Erebus expedition vanished without a clue. 160 some odd men and no story left to tell.
It's an inexplicable story.  I love the inexplicable things in life.

Terror and Erebus were both found a few years ago. Bodies were autopsied. The mystery has been solved.

Yep. Abominable Polar bear ate a lot of em.  There was a whole documentary series not that long ago.

Lincoln was tall, 6’4”.

The guy who still has the shovel hit one while digging his first hole and had to move a few yards away to dig the second hole.

This Hoedag haunted the lake back where I grew up.  I never saw it but I BELIEVE!!11!!1!

Attached File

Prove it wrong? How about you prove it right? You can't because along with Big Foot and The Loch Ness Monster, it's all bullshit and fairy tales.

Read "The Terror" by Dan Simmons.  Spoiler - just an entertaining novel.

Ok, that solved one mystery. What about the wendigo? What about....

I've probably killed everything that crawled or walked. But I never killed me no sea serpent.

The burden of proof lies upon the believer.

That's one way of looking at things. But you can't prove it wrong.

Yes, giants did exist.

You sound resolute. Do you know that for a fact?

This is the voice of experience.

They looked like this: Attached File

That's truly fascinating. Where are these bones kept, and where can I see photos?

You should try to figure out the English language first.

I could. But then I wouldn't have you to deal with. There's a concept of eating an ass, I recommend you do it.

The problem I see, is there is actual evidence of big foot but nobody wants to acknowledge the fact. They just keep the blinders on

and use any excuse to debunct the evidence. You can have evidence of guy getting ass raped by big foot and they say it is hairy gay dude from Buckhead GA.

Isn't folklore enough?

Hundred, maybe thousands of years of people saying and repeating the same shit over and over, is that not enough proof.

I don't have a belief one way or the other but I'm not quite ready to dispell it either.

Maybe he meant Vampires? I mean I’ve seen the documentary.

This might come as a surprise but I can't speak for Jesus.

Maybe, we'd all have been better off if John Wilkes Boothe  had never existed.

Lincoln was high as fuck on opium and mercury.

The mercury at least is well documented

Is this the first time your trailer park HOA has mixed up meth in the bathtub?

Not a man among us can. There is coming a day

But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

You can quote him. You're never going to be him.

Lgbtq thing?

I believe you.

And a lot of stories include measurements to help paint a picture. Why do I need to explain this. I'm about done with the internet.

Lots of articles and videos about giant skeletons, tools, weapons that have been found out west.

The Why Files has a good YouTube video on this.

One Indian tribe has, as part of their history, that they got tired of the cannibal giants eating their people so they went to war against them, slaughtered them all.

There is evidence all over the world that giants existed.

If you think thousands of years of folklore are enough, then why aren’t you worshipping the sun and the moon? They were gods a long, long time before your god was a god.

What museum can I visit to see these skeletons?

I love these threads