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Some "relationships" have more in common with combat than they do with what we understand as "romance". It's not so much about sharing as it is about taking or stopping somebody else from taking from you. The predatory nature of sexcapades involving frat "brothers" who work girls to get them to a party, get them hammered almost to the point of unconsciousness, and then run a train on them would be an example. That's not really a relationship...it's predation.

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Girls who manipulate and torture boys for sport and control are another. You know the type, needy, insecure, clingy, jealous, wants babies NOW! And she does love you, and you love her, and she's so sweet sometimes and the sex is great... And you look back on it years later and realize she was taking care of her needs to control and feel safe, because she was insecure, not because she really cared about you.

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I have noticed that once you put several of those "pack" idiots together the IQ of the area plummets.  It rockets to low levels of stupidity if alcohol or any type of group pressure is added.  Now you add an intoxicated female and you have one hell of a recipe.  I hope that anytime a male on a college campus mentions being in a fraternity and is plying a girl with alcohol she runs for the fucking hills.  Too many altercations.  Too many fucking idiots.

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can you dumb this down for me? im not really sure what you are trying to say here.

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My God, did you interview my last few girlfriends?

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I'm saying I recognized that some of the boys who professed an interest in me did not have my best interests at heart and I behaved accordingly. And if being beaten at a game that they chose to play made them unhappy, it was a matter of infinite indifference to me.

Jane

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Somebody needs to open an ice cream shop where the entire shop is a walk-in freezer, and the scooper chicks are wearing wifebeaters & no bra.





 

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Somebody needs to open an ice cream shop where the entire shop is a walk-in freezer, and the scooper chicks are wearing wifebeaters & no bra.


 

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But what if she has freakishly long nipples?

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But what if she has freakishly long nipples?

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Somebody needs to open an ice cream shop where the entire shop is a walk-in freezer, and the scooper chicks are wearing wifebeaters & no bra.





 

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Wow, this thread sure has taken on a whole different direction........

But I have to say this about the situation I think some may be overlooking:

 I don't like the creepers. We've established that. But how I feel about it isn't the only point. They're not good for business. Even if it didn't tick me off, it should be discouraged.

Now many will think I'm trying to attract that customer, that they know better, bla bla. But the fact is most of the customers are family groups that don't want someone staring at young teenagers hanging around. The creepers aren't always looking at employees either. In the past (long ago) other customers have addressed the issue on their own without the shop at all. The people that go to stare rudely while there are very few and far between. The people that go and act decently while there are far, far greater in numbers. Some people seem to think a business like mine WANTS to attract that rare and rude customer; and that's why it runs the way it does. That's just incorrect. If I alienate or make the very tiny percentage of customers that act innapropriately feel unwelcomed; I stand to gain more than to lose. Believe it or not, not all customers are good customers. Some owners don't want the image that having customers leaning on the windows with their mouths open lost in a trance may promote. There are shops that do want that image and they market to attract that customer. We don't, and we don't want them there.

-JC

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Somebody needs to open an ice cream shop where the entire shop is a walk-in freezer, and the scooper chicks are wearing wifebeaters & no bra.


 

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Wow, this thread sure has taken on a whole different direction........



But I have to say this about the situation I think some may be overlooking:



 I don't like the creepers. We've established that. But how I feel about it isn't the only point. They're not good for business. Even if it didn't tick me off, it should be discouraged.



Now many will think I'm trying to attract that customer, that they know better, bla bla. But the fact is most of the customers are family groups that don't want someone staring at young teenagers hanging around. The creepers aren't always looking at employees either. In the past (long ago) other customers have addressed the issue on their own without the shop at all. The people that go to stare rudely while there are very few and far between. The people that go and act decently while there are far, far greater in numbers. Some people seem to think a business like mine WANTS to attract that rare and rude customer; and that's why it runs the way it does. That's just incorrect. If I alienate or make the very tiny percentage of customers that act innapropriately feel unwelcomed; I stand to gain more than to lose. Believe it or not, not all customers are good customers. Some owners don't want the image that having customers leaning on the windows with their mouths open lost in a trance may promote. There are shops that do want that image and they market to attract that customer. We don't, and we don't want them there.



-JC

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Somebody needs to open an ice cream shop where the entire shop is a walk-in freezer, and the scooper chicks are wearing wifebeaters & no bra.


 

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Girls hate the cold, you know that. Keep the store warm and have them go topless.

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I'm saying I recognized that some of the boys who professed an interest in me did not have my best interests at heart and I behaved accordingly. And if being beaten at a game that they chose to play made them unhappy, it was a matter of infinite indifference to me.

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So then this thread has little to do with why they must be kicked out. The creepiness and the age/sex of your workers is practically irrelevant. You're venting because you're frustrated at having to say "sir please leave" and finding it awkward and difficult to cite something as non tangible as "creepiness".

Now that you've reduced it to a customer service and money issue, it makes more sense. Business and SOPs are  easier to understand than feelings and morals.

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Did I look??? Sure....

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbsmbCWUNEE

 

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Well, both I think. it pisses me off, and it's bad for business. I also think it would be bad for morale if I did nothing when a crew member is having issue with a customer.  The creepiness factor probably causes me to have a personal, in addition to managerial response. So both I think.

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My God, did you interview my last few girlfriends?

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My father used to say that everyone has a certain amount of hell to get out of their system, and the longer you put it off, the uglier it's going to be when it happens.

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You say that like it's a bad thing.  

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I have noticed that once you put several of those "pack" idiots together the IQ of the area plummets.  It rockets to low levels of stupidity if alcohol or any type of group pressure is added.  Now you add an intoxicated female and you have one hell of a recipe.  I hope that anytime a male on a college campus mentions being in a fraternity and is plying a girl with alcohol she runs for the fucking hills.  Too many altercations.  Too many fucking idiots.

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Wow, this thread sure has taken on a whole different direction........

But I have to say this about the situation I think some may be overlooking:

 I don't like the creepers. We've established that. But how I feel about it isn't the only point. They're not good for business. Even if it didn't tick me off, it should be discouraged.

Now many will think I'm trying to attract that customer, that they know better, bla bla. But the fact is most of the customers are family groups that don't want someone staring at young teenagers hanging around. The creepers aren't always looking at employees either. In the past (long ago) other customers have addressed the issue on their own without the shop at all. The people that go to stare rudely while there are very few and far between. The people that go and act decently while there are far, far greater in numbers. Some people seem to think a business like mine WANTS to attract that rare and rude customer; and that's why it runs the way it does. That's just incorrect. If I alienate or make the very tiny percentage of customers that act innapropriately feel unwelcomed; I stand to gain more than to lose. Believe it or not, not all customers are good customers. Some owners don't want the image that having customers leaning on the windows with their mouths open lost in a trance may promote. There are shops that do want that image and they market to attract that customer. We don't, and we don't want them there.
-JC

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Yeah we got it, the nubile young titties are for your viewing pleasure only.

 

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My observations come from a hell of a lot more data than a small group of teenage girls in an ice-cream shop...although I guarantee they aren't any different than any number of girls their age I could find in just about any high school or church youth group anywhere in the land.

True story time:

A daddy's girl gets the cops called on her at a college dorm because she's always walking around naked in the halls, and paying visits to gentlemen suitors on different floors. When the officers arrive and confront this girl, she's in a stairwell completely naked...and one of the officers cannot help but notice that there are mardi-gras beads hanging out of her lady business. She was oblivious to that fact at the time, of course. Daddy is a cop. They call daddy and daddy looses his shit...not at his daughter, but at the officers who called him for lying about his daughter. Threatens a lawsuit. Threatens to call every superior he can think of short of the POTUS to have all their jobs.

Also in police possession at the time was video of this girl getting double teamed and taking the finisher to the face from two dudes she didn't really even know...and she took it like a pro. It wasn't surprising that she knew how to handle that bit given the research she'd been doing on the internet.

Daddy didn't want to acknowledge the fact that his little girl wasn't a little girl anymore. Being a teenager, she knew how to play different roles in different situations to convince the group in front of her of whatever she wanted to convince them of. Daddy's little girl act with daddy which kept him happy, honor student act which kept her in good stead with her professors and, of course, with daddy...and the full on Bree Olsen/Bobbi Starr act with two random dudes for hedonism, male attention, approval, or whatever motivation she had for engaging in such an act.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, here, but kids today are on average more worldly at 13 than I was at 17. They can describe...in startling detail...sex acts I didn't even know existed until I heard stories from dudes who were stationed in the Philippines. Doubt the description of the act? They can google that shit and have a video of it playing for you before you can say "slouching towards Gamorrah". When I was a kid the idea of taking pictures or video of your girlfriend in various states of undress/coitus was something even the class sluts wouldn't go near...now? Now the number of dudes who are walking around with video of girls giving them head on their cell phone is fucking staggering.

Now is this a desirable situation for the human race? I certainly don't think so....but I'm not the one causing it. So save your ire for a worthy target rather than coming off uber-offended at the guy who is just telling you like it is.

You have daughters? Congratulations...but know this: If they're over the age of 11, I can state with relative certainty that they aren't telling you everything. And they never will anymore than you told your parents everything. It would certainly be comforting to think that the girls who took those pictures at the slumber party I mentioned were "bad" kids raised by morons, but that's just not the case. They were by all available measures good kids. Good students. No serious behavior problems. Did charity work. Good work ethic. Parents were salt-of-the-earth types who had sense and tried really hard to raise them right. They still took naked pictures and snuck in beer and got drunk and did stupid shit that worked its way around the school  at the speed of Facebook and 3g. The natural thing to do is yell "SLUTS!!!!" and by doing so pretend that they were somehow defective and that it could never happen to your kids. It's a comforting fiction, but comforting fictions don't produce results.

That's the thing about kids: They do stupid shit. They have a short attention span and the teenage brain sucks at understanding the long term effects of actions taken right now. Teenagers don't understand that life is chess, not checkers, and that stupid shit has life altering consequences. They live in a world where 30 is like, unbelievably old and junk. There is no amount of parenting that can ensure that another human with piss-poor judgment will always do the smart thing.

The whole premise of the thread is hilarious. A dude who owns an ice cream shop that employs exclusively attractive teenage girls getting perturbed that pervs are looking "that way" at his employees. Hint: The practice of having attractive teenage girls at ice cream shops isn't exactly an unusual tactic because it's great for business. If everybody was an upstanding puritan type like me who didn't eye fuck 16 year old girls even if they are dressed in skirts so short they are tugging at the hem every 7 seconds so the world can't see whether or not the cuffs and collars match, he wouldn't make as much money. Ditto if he replaced his staff with fat hairy dudes.

Now this is America and it's a reasonably free country and he's not the first to use a bit of titillation to make some money...but it's hilarious that he's worked up about the strategy working a little too well in some cases.

...but I'm not too worked up about the girls in this situation because I've been in the unique position of peeking behind the green door and looking at aspects of their lives that they usually keep neatly segmented away from authority figures. They're human. Human beings are absolutely marvelous at compartmentalizing their lives to play completely different roles when necessary. Nazis would spend several hours a day shooting unarmed jews in the back of the head with 8mm Mausers...including women and children...and would go back home to their families and still be dad and husband and all that rot. Bob the accountant goes to church and loves his wife and kids and is a pillar of the community, at least until he's caught in a public park restroom servicing random men at a glory hole. Etc. As a species it's probably one of our greatest talents. At times a necessary survival mechanism...but more often a way for us to try and fill whatever base impulses we have without unpleasant consequences that sometimes accompany those acts.

The girls are not the innocent damsels we'd like to think they are. I'd love nothing more than to look at a pretty 16 year old girl in an ice cream shop and think of her as a sweet, virginial kid who is going to do well in school, marry a really nice fella, and live happily ever after. I'd love to think that...and you know what? She can tell....and she'll play that role. Even if I happen to have seen the pictures from a slumber party that prove otherwise.

Welcome to humanity.

Guess who's really living in the basement, chief.

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Yep and he's spot on, too.

With the back lash and witch hunts for someone who might think about doing a girl on the day before her 18th birthday, we have deluded ourselves into forgetting that humans are sexual beings. That doesn't just occur when we turn 18.

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Your best "Alpha-Male-Wolf Stare".    What a strange comment.

The female clerks are not in your "pack".    


Maybe you need to examine the dress- code.

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It was. And accurate from my experiences on the girl side of things. IMHO, the best thing to do is not try to keep them innocent, because you can't. It's to try to get them as wise and knowledgable and empowered as possible. Little Janie needs to tell guys how it's going to be and take measures to protect herself.

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I stare back.

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People haven't read the thread.

I do hire males, and have them on the crew currently. The shop is staffed mostly by female school students because that's the majority of the applicants.

-JC

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Hi,

I have an icecream shop in a quiet suburban area. It's mostly staffed by teenage girls - all under 18 and students.

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What could possibly make someone unsuitable to scoop ice cream?  That's like saying someone isn't suitable to work at McDonalds... no offense, but it's an Ice Cream Shop, not a billion dollar hedge fund company.