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Posted: 6/17/2014 8:48:47 AM EDT
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There is a stench of treason in all of this ISIS business.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 8:58:36 AM EDT
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To try and put an optimistic spin on this, the part in bold is good. If they use a stinger anything like they use an AK, God won't be willing down any airliners any time soon. Sights? Western decadence! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have seen literally hundreds of stingers fired. The training to become proficient, is not that difficult... but one does need to follow a sequence of events that are extremely critical to the weapons effectiveness. To try and put an optimistic spin on this, the part in bold is good. If they use a stinger anything like they use an AK, God won't be willing down any airliners any time soon. Sights? Western decadence! Its not that complicated, 1 guy who has read the manual could teach 10 guys in 5 min. There are two kinds of terrorist, Mr. Smarty Pants, and Cannon Fodder. While Cannon Fodder heavily represents their ranks, Smarty Pants is far from a lone master mind. Not to mention a good number of them are Syrian Army defectors, who have been trained to use this all of this stuff. There is a reason they rolled through Iraq in a few days, they have +3 years of experience in Syria. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:01:14 AM EDT
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There is a reason they rolled through Iraq in a few days, they have +3 years of experience in Syria. Well, that plus the fact that they were largely unopposed except at the airfield where the American contractors were trying to leave. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:05:34 AM EDT
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Hey you guys do realize that Iraq probably had all of the materials needed to maintain these missile too, right?
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:05:45 AM EDT
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Its not that complicated, 1 guy who has read the manual could teach 10 guys in 5 min. There are two kinds of terrorist, Mr. Smarty Pants, and Cannon Fodder. While Cannon Fodder heavily represents their ranks, Smarty Pants is far from a lone master mind. Not to mention a good number of them are Syrian Army defectors, who have been trained to use this all of this stuff. There is a reason they rolled through Iraq in a few days, they have +3 years of experience in Syria. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have seen literally hundreds of stingers fired. The training to become proficient, is not that difficult... but one does need to follow a sequence of events that are extremely critical to the weapons effectiveness. To try and put an optimistic spin on this, the part in bold is good. If they use a stinger anything like they use an AK, God won't be willing down any airliners any time soon. Sights? Western decadence! Its not that complicated, 1 guy who has read the manual could teach 10 guys in 5 min. There are two kinds of terrorist, Mr. Smarty Pants, and Cannon Fodder. While Cannon Fodder heavily represents their ranks, Smarty Pants is far from a lone master mind. Not to mention a good number of them are Syrian Army defectors, who have been trained to use this all of this stuff. There is a reason they rolled through Iraq in a few days, they have +3 years of experience in Syria. True & to be a Stinger Gunner you only need a GT score of 90+ 
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:10:20 AM EDT
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Hey you guys do realize that Iraq probably had all of the materials needed to maintain these missile too, right? There really is no maintenance... these are fire & forget. You pull it out of the box, power it up, fire it, drop it like its hot & then run away from the smoke signal pointing to your location
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:10:58 AM EDT
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right?
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:14:16 AM EDT
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Why the fuck did we give the Iraqi's STINGERS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe it's one of those deals where it's too expensive to ship them back to the US 
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:15:04 AM EDT
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? If by "flares" you mean some flaming homosexual flight attendants, then yes. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:16:29 AM EDT
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More likely, these are the Stingers and MANPADS that Obama and Hillary shipped to them in Syria from Benghazi. I've been waiting for them to show up. The administration is grasping the story that ISIS got them from the Iraqis in a desperate attempt to keep the truth suppressed. wouldn't surprise me in the least |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:18:58 AM EDT
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If by "flares" you mean some flaming homosexual flight attendants, then yes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? If by "flares" you mean some flaming homosexual flight attendants, then yes. I understand there are quite a few. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:19:50 AM EDT
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? I don't know the answer to that, but Stinger (Post) , (RMP), (Block I ) can discriminate. (hard to decoy). God help those who are targeted within its effective range. There is a reason why we should not give these to other countries.... |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:21:15 AM EDT
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Can they post some pictars on Instagram of them using the Stingers? I get all my news from Instagram now.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:21:36 AM EDT
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ISIS is seen as a threat to everyone. The Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Syrians, Turkish, Saudis, and the Gulf Arabs all want to contain ISIS.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:21:41 AM EDT
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? Don't know how accurate the report was but this morning fox had a military guy on who said that the stingers had the ability to defeat any countermeasures given off by aircraft either commercial or military. He said a commercial air liner didn't stand a chance against one. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:24:49 AM EDT
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Don't know how accurate the report was but this morning fox had a military guy on who said that the stingers had the ability to defeat any countermeasures given off by aircraft either commercial or military. He said a commercial air liner didn't stand a chance against one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? Don't know how accurate the report was but this morning fox had a military guy on who said that the stingers had the ability to defeat any countermeasures given off by aircraft either commercial or military. He said a commercial air liner didn't stand a chance against one. I wouldnt say "Any"  But, they are not on every commercial airline
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:27:59 AM EDT
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US training ISIS/ISIL in Jordan.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:29:09 AM EDT
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Don't know how accurate the report was but this morning fox had a military guy on who said that the stingers had the ability to defeat any countermeasures given off by aircraft either commercial or military. He said a commercial air liner didn't stand a chance against one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? Don't know how accurate the report was but this morning fox had a military guy on who said that the stingers had the ability to defeat any countermeasures given off by aircraft either commercial or military. He said a commercial air liner didn't stand a chance against one. Stinger range ~3 miles. A commercial airliner's cruising altitude is 35,000 ft (6.6 miles). So I guess it's only reasonable to make everything within a 50 mile diameter of an airport a constitution free zone to protect us from the government's foreign policy fuck ups. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:33:26 AM EDT
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Not sure if serious. Russia is allied with Assad in Syria, and the Iranians are allied with the Shiite government in Iraq. Both countries are the enemy of ISIS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck............ How long until ISIS captures some of the M1A1M Abrams we were retarded enough to give the Iraqis and sells them so Russia and Iran? Not sure if serious. Russia is allied with Assad in Syria, and the Iranians are allied with the Shiite government in Iraq. Both countries are the enemy of ISIS. Geopolitics.....hard stuff....really it is... |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:36:18 AM EDT
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Exactly-Why the fuck did the Iraqi Army need Stingers in the first place? They don't have any need to shoot down airplanes. Something smells fishy..... Like: OMG The terrorists have our Stingers, we have to invade before they get used in Kansas! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would we give Iraq stingers to fight insurgents?  Exactly-Why the fuck did the Iraqi Army need Stingers in the first place? They don't have any need to shoot down airplanes. Something smells fishy..... Like: OMG The terrorists have our Stingers, we have to invade before they get used in Kansas! Not that I agree with it...or even know if we actually did give them Stingers (we probably didn't)...but there's this little country next door to Iraq called Iran...and the two have a nasty history of getting into conflicts. Iran has a decent airforce by middle eastern standards.... |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:36:26 AM EDT
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We should have NEVER entrusted an "army" with two left feet and fucking ugly boots with munitions like Stingers. Fucking stupid.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:37:57 AM EDT
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Shooting ourselves in the foot AGAIN.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:48:01 AM EDT
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Their new HQ for ISIS will be the US embassy which we made sure to build strong as hell to withstand bombs. http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/6-us-embassy-baghdad.jpg - it needs about 140 million in repairs so we better get started on that right away |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:05:40 AM EDT
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ISIS is seen as a threat to everyone. The Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Syrians, Turkish, Saudis, and the Gulf Arabs all want to contain ISIS. I hope this for the simple fact of it would be cool as shit to see the worlds super powers just completely unleash on these haji's and essentially lay waste to all in their path but I am sure there is way more shadow wars at work that would effect it much more than the joint hate for someone killing everyone |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:06:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most commercial airliners have flares, right? No.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:11:20 AM EDT
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I don't know the answer to that, but Stinger (Post) , (RMP), (Block I ) can discriminate. (hard to decoy). God help those who are targeted within its effective range. There is a reason why we should not give these to other countries.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? I don't know the answer to that, but Stinger (Post) , (RMP), (Block I ) can discriminate. (hard to decoy). God help those who are targeted within its effective range. There is a reason why we should not give these to other countries.... well. china and iran will have them soon |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:14:36 AM EDT
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All going according to plan. Carry on.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:16:13 AM EDT
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What irritates me the most is that this and all the other scandals are being covered up by the 4th Estate. Those fuckers will be the undoing of our Constitution.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:20:44 AM EDT
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They will blame it on the tea party. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how long until a commercial airliner is taken out by one? and Bush.. Don't forget to throw Bush in there... |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:27:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Either idiots or enemies within. I tend to think the latter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was no reason for us to give Iraq Stingers. If we had a status of forces agreement in place we could have agreed to maintain a stockpile of Stingers on our facilities that we would share if the situation warranted it. Barring a status of forces agreement, there was no reason to leave those weapon in Iraqi hands whatsoever. Jeeze, who's making these decisions? I tend to think the latter. Yep. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:31:02 AM EDT
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I suppose you mean flares used as counter-measures for missiles? No. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? No. I'm sure Air Force 1 carries a full complement of chaff, flares, and an ECM system. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:31:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Team Obama, A.K.A Amateur Treason Hour. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was no reason for us to give Iraq Stingers. If we had a status of forces agreement in place we could have agreed to maintain a stockpile of Stingers on our facilities that we would share if the situation warranted it. Barring a status of forces agreement, there was no reason to leave those weapon in Iraqi hands whatsoever. Jeeze, who's making these decisions? Team Obama, A.K.A Amateur Treason Hour. Fixed. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:39:08 AM EDT
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How long do the batteries last? I think they are chemical "batteries" that are activated right before firing. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 12:34:20 PM EDT
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I'm going to start listening to Alex Jones
Fuck this shit. None of this is by accident |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:23:20 PM EDT
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I don't know the answer to that, but Stinger (Post) , (RMP), (Block I ) can discriminate. (hard to decoy). God help those who are targeted within its effective range. There is a reason why we should not give these to other countries.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? I don't know the answer to that, but Stinger (Post) , (RMP), (Block I ) can discriminate. (hard to decoy). God help those who are targeted within its effective range. There is a reason why we should not give these to other countries.... Newer stingers are deadly. Flares will not help.  they won't fool the new stingers.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:29:40 AM EDT
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Newer stingers are deadly. Flares will not help. they won't fool the new stingers.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? I don't know the answer to that, but Stinger (Post) , (RMP), (Block I ) can discriminate. (hard to decoy). God help those who are targeted within its effective range. There is a reason why we should not give these to other countries.... Newer stingers are deadly. Flares will not help. they won't fool the new stingers.Well there isnt a "New" Stinger... they have been the same since the introduction of RMP (reprogramable micro processor) (early 90's). Block I adds a few upgrades both hardware and software, but didnt really improve upon its lethality. I highly doubt we would have given them Block I's... |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:43:20 AM EDT
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You cannot just pick up a stinger and fire it at an airplane and expect to hit it, certain steps must be followed to acquire a "lock". also there are 3 batteries with each missile +1 That and the advanced Stingers won't target US .mil aircraft, it's circuitry knows if its targeting a Apache vs. a Mi-24. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:52:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:56:39 AM EDT
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http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/01/06/us-to-ramp-up-arms-deliveries-to-iraq.html
"In August, (last year) another $2.4 billion deal with Iraq was announced for the additional sale of arms including 681 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles..." |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:01:24 AM EDT
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Rarely has one man fucked up so badly at the expense of so many.
-Paraphrase of Dick Cheney in WSJ this morning. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:02:35 AM EDT
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Be nice to Eldest Son a sizable quantity of those. would make for great youtubes 
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:12:31 AM EDT
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Let's give them a nuclear sub and some F35 crap, mor funner.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:21:36 AM EDT
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Make them nuke themselves! Voila!
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:38:22 AM EDT
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+1 That and the advanced Stingers won't target US .mil aircraft, it's circuitry knows if its targeting a Apache vs. a Mi-24. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You cannot just pick up a stinger and fire it at an airplane and expect to hit it, certain steps must be followed to acquire a "lock". also there are 3 batteries with each missile +1 That and the advanced Stingers won't target US .mil aircraft, it's circuitry knows if its targeting a Apache vs. a Mi-24. I've heard that before. Still not sure I believe it. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:38:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: would make for great youtubes Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Be nice to Eldest Son a sizable quantity of those. would make for great youtubes That would be THE SHIT. Unfortunately we've become the nation that tracks down, arrests, and imprisons terrorists instead of killing them wholesale. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:54:13 AM EDT
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Well there isnt a "New" Stinger... they have been the same since the introduction of RMP (reprogramable micro processor) (early 90's). Block I adds a few upgrades both hardware and software, but didnt really improve upon its lethality. I highly doubt we would have given them Block I's... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most commercial airliners have flares, right? I don't know the answer to that, but Stinger (Post) , (RMP), (Block I ) can discriminate. (hard to decoy). God help those who are targeted within its effective range. There is a reason why we should not give these to other countries.... Newer stingers are deadly. Flares will not help. they won't fool the new stingers.Well there isnt a "New" Stinger... they have been the same since the introduction of RMP (reprogramable micro processor) (early 90's). Block I adds a few upgrades both hardware and software, but didnt really improve upon its lethality. I highly doubt we would have given them Block I's... i'd like to think that but with bozo in the white, i suspect he'd given them the best we have knowing full well it would get handed over to our enemies. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:55:38 AM EDT
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+1 That and the advanced Stingers won't target US .mil aircraft, it's circuitry knows if its targeting a Apache vs. a Mi-24. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You cannot just pick up a stinger and fire it at an airplane and expect to hit it, certain steps must be followed to acquire a "lock". also there are 3 batteries with each missile +1 That and the advanced Stingers won't target US .mil aircraft, it's circuitry knows if its targeting a Apache vs. a Mi-24. i may well be wrong but what i have read says that can be turned on or off and the IFF module has to be programmed with current codes. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:56:14 AM EDT
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I've heard that before. Still not sure I believe it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You cannot just pick up a stinger and fire it at an airplane and expect to hit it, certain steps must be followed to acquire a "lock". also there are 3 batteries with each missile +1 That and the advanced Stingers won't target US .mil aircraft, it's circuitry knows if its targeting a Apache vs. a Mi-24. I've heard that before. Still not sure I believe it. That's utter bullshit, The weapon does not know what it's source is.... What's your source?? |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:57:49 AM EDT
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I certainly dont want a Stinger chasing my ass around.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 4:05:08 AM EDT
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+1 That and the advanced Stingers won't target US .mil aircraft, it's circuitry knows if its targeting a Apache vs. a Mi-24. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You cannot just pick up a stinger and fire it at an airplane and expect to hit it, certain steps must be followed to acquire a "lock". also there are 3 batteries with each missile +1 That and the advanced Stingers won't target US .mil aircraft, it's circuitry knows if its targeting a Apache vs. a Mi-24. Lol, No. The only "advanced targeting circuity" is between the ears of the guy holding the tube. You can shoot a stinger at whatever you'd like: aircraft, cars, hillsides at 29 Palms, etc - whatever it will lock onto. |
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